Shuffling the Shuffle

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 25, 2017

Bam Bam: bench coach. Wotus: 3rd base coach….

This is just getting stupid. Do any of these jobs even have any specific talent requirements? If Wotus is the best pick for the 3rd base coaching job what the fuck has he been doing sitting on the bench all these years??!?!!?!

I supported coaching changes because this crew proved unable to halt the slide that started when Duffy left (lqtm, I love that marker on the timeline) and lasted all the way to the end of the 2017 season. That is unacceptable and the people in charge need to pay a consequence for that.

But this is over the top. All of these random, haphazard moves wreak of a pomp and circumstance production designed to fool the fan base. “Look at what we’re doing season ticket holders!!!! We are SHAKING STUFF UP!!! Firing people! Fucking Ron Wotus is gonna fix all of this now that he’s closer to the field of play!!!!!”

This has gotten asinine.

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wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:47 am

I tweeted my dad last night the news of the coaching changes. If some of you remember, he did some masonry work on Wotus home this past summer. This was his response. “Wotus is a nice guy and all, but I could never see him as a big league manager. The Giants could offer him a clubhouse attendant role and he would probably take it”.
- wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:47 am
  
  Texted not tweeted.
- Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:07 am
  
  That’s classic. That’s exactly how I envisioned him.
djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:35 am

I forgot the details, but I remember Bonds embarrassing 3rd base coach Wotus by blatantly ignoring him in some way. It was very obvious – might’ve been at Shea…
alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:56 am

Still hoping Chili Davis gets the batting coach gig along with Jim Hickey pitching coach..
Like I’ve mentioned before Wotus passed over for to many head coaching jobs made my guaranteed 20 bucks from a bartender who insisted he would get the job if Boch left, I told him in your dreams..
- djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:06 am
  
  I thought he’d get it just to ride out the Pence/Span era if Bochy stepped down…
willedav said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:11 am

might have something to do with analytics. LA and Houston both very analytics driven as opposed to Bochy and staff. How much a hitting coach helps guys end results is open to question, plus Meulens has been there since 2010 so he is still an insider. In his column Shea wondered about Meulens as possibility for Yanks job if they didn’t rehire Girardi.
willedav said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:21 am

Still think a lot of this, in line with Bell hired as VP of player development, points to FO being dissatisfied with young players—the ones they have drafted and how they have progressed through the system. Giants ran a lot of young guys onto the field and the mound last year at ml level that were either hurt, unproductive or both.

So this is first move in response–new guy to oversee upcoming draft etc., new coaches to work with young guys like Arroyo Mac Parker Shaw Slater and non vet SPs and pen.
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:08 am

I could see the benefit of utlilzing Muelens to better connect with the Latino players, but then I have to think really hard to remember who they are.
willedav said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:20 am

Lemme ask this: if Bochy for one reason or another was not be Giants mgr., who would you want in there?
- djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:43 am
  
  Willie Randolph…
- sandog said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:07 am
  
  Bob Brenly
  - wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:19 am
    
    Brenly would be my pick as well.
- snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:08 am
  
  Bud Black is taken…
djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:06 am

What’s Omar Vizquel up to these days?
- Macdog said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:09 am
  
  Tigers coach.
  - djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:32 am
    
    I would absolutely give Vizquel a shot if they’re looking for a new face.
    For a veteran, I always thought Randolph deserved another chance somewhere…
zumiee said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:16 am

What was up with Nevin? I didn’t think he did a stellar job as the thirdbase coach, but I thought he was someone the Giants were high on, and he is an old buddy of Bochy. His stay in SF went south pretty quickly.
- willedav said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:25 am
  
  He’d been a AAA mgr. too. Always thought he was brought in as possible replacement for Bochy. Maybe it’s just weeding out Bochy’s buddies/different direction. Lot of mgrs. have been 3b coaches, even guys who were fired seem to get that job.
  The whole bench coach as stepping stone is a new approach. The mgr still makes all the hard decisions (LU, PH, pitching changes etc), so you wonder just what this job entails. Has Alex Cora ever managed anywhere? Now he’s in charge of Boston, one of highest profile and most heavily scrutinized jobs there is, of all places.
zumiee said, on October 25, 2017 at 11:22 am

With the Dodgers and the Astros being in the World Series, all the MLB teams will be “getting their analytics on.” Teams will be knee-deep into launch angles and spin rates, etc.
In the year 2020, there will no longer be any balls put into the field of play. It will be all homeruns, strikeouts, and walks. Fielders will be allowed to sit down during play.
willedav said, on October 25, 2017 at 11:41 am

F/G had couple columns denoting big improvement this year Astros made in cutting down Ks and making more contact. Result was they had fantastic offensive season with great slash lines.
GM himself said they wanted more hitters that made more “hard contact.” Also said he didn’t think they could win consistently with 30 HR guys that struck out a lot.
He might be wrong about that, but he built his team a little different and here they are.
- xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 3:42 pm
  
  McCann at catcher was an important upgrade for them too.
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 12:05 pm

Every championship team is going to have a couple of guys who had “career years”. Here is a list of Astros who fall into that category:

Marwin Gonzalez- a Ben Zobrizt type that most people have never heard of. He put up MVP type numbers. The definition of career year.

Charlie Morton- one of the heroes of Game 7. He had a very solid year that likely won’t be matched.

Josh Reddick- not his best year by any means but certainly far better than anyone had expected and no chance he matches it next year and beyond. Played tremendous defense all season.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 12:32 pm

I thought the same about Steve Decker as the next manager. He ‘s been in the Giants system for a long time, managed the AAA team and I figured he was next in line . . .
willedav said, on October 25, 2017 at 12:50 pm

Interesting stats on B/R if you compare Houston and NY, top offensive teams in AL.

Stros led the league in: runs hits doubles BA (.282) OB SLG OPS (.823) second in HRs with 238 fewest Ks 1087

Yanks: 2nd runs 3rd BA 2nd OB (led league in BBs) 3rd SLG 10th Ks (1386) 1st HRs with 241

Houston had 10 guys with .450+ slugging…hope they wake up in time vs. LA!
Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 2:32 pm

Pretty stoked I’m not a Niner season tix holder

The 49ers sent a questionnaire to fans asking "in terms of game day experience how important is it that your team wins?"

— Ann Killion (@annkillion) October 25, 2017
- sandog said, on October 25, 2017 at 2:50 pm
  
  Only in California, would such a question be appropriate. (Maybe Texas too, as I’ve heard many Cowboy fans aren’t real connected to the outcome of the game)
  Do you think the Eagles ask their fans that question?
Michael Scott said, on October 25, 2017 at 2:41 pm

wish me LUCH FRI 4TH craniotomy?
- sandog said, on October 25, 2017 at 2:46 pm
  
  Wow—look who’s back!
  Good to see you on here Twin. Thoughts and prayers for you on the 4th.
- wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 3:11 pm
  
  Our thoughts are most definitely with you Michael! Just be sure to show up on Friday morning. The 4th is a Saturday 😉
- theroooster said, on October 25, 2017 at 4:08 pm
  
  Twin! Great to see you here! Hang in there big guy!
- alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:41 pm
  
  Hey Mike, so glad to see your post!
  All my thoughts&prayers for you&Merna!
- djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 10:03 pm
  
  You beat ’em before and you’ll beat ’em again!
Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 3:52 pm

hang in there Twin. Our thoughts are collectively and always with you.
theroooster said, on October 25, 2017 at 4:07 pm

Nightengale: Stanton's first choice is Giants. Predicts that Stanton or JD Martinez will be on the Giants in 2018. https://t.co/ryCcTDXGWs

— GPT (@giantsprospects) October 25, 2017
- Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 4:56 pm
  
  i find it fascinating that pretty much every rumor or big story comes from national guys. What the fuck are the beat guys doing? Why can’t they get ANY info? Baggs, who’s really the only one who doesn’t have his head up his ass, was on KNBR this afternoon saying he’s verified most of the Nightengale shit regarding coaching changes. WHY can’t the Giants brass throw these bones to the guys who cover the team?????
  - snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:12 pm
    
    I think the teams leak to the national media so the team’s name and moves get broad attention. Marketing…
- alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:31 pm
  
  Fuck it get them both!
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 4:53 pm

Stay tough, Mike! Still haven’t met ya but we love ya.

Take JD and J Bruce. K’s be damned.
theroooster said, on October 25, 2017 at 4:56 pm

Call me crazy but I kinda like it when Heidi Watney says “the number two hole” on air.
blade3colorado said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:09 pm

It’s 6:40am in Saigon, so scrolled through a couple of threads:

1. First and for most, good luck Twin on the 4th!
2. Curry’s integrity and humility is 2nd to none IMO. Flavor’s post said as much.
3. Fire Evans.
4. With or without Stanton, or any other “one off” addition, the Giants still won’t sniff the playoffs. Wilderness years began in 2016 and wine sipper delusional fans just haven’t recognized that reality yet.
5. If Bochy retires (doubtful), hire Will Clark – it’s a Titanic deck chair move, but will keep butts in the seats one more season.
6. Regarding all coaching changes – it doesn’t matter, as we’ll more or less, still have the same stiffs on the field.
7. Go Astros even though I think they’re about as good as France’s Marginot Line was against the Germans.
- blade3colorado said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:13 pm
  
  *Maginot
- Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:55 pm
  
  I love Will The Thrill but I don’t know about him making in-game baseball decisions…
  - alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:03 pm
    
    Agree.
    Will is just to redneck,red ass.For the big job. He would be good maybe playing Adam Sandler’s dad in Waterboy2 down in the bayou..
  - blade3colorado said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:06 pm
    
    Maybe you thought I said Jack Clark . . . Now, that moron would be a real disaster. Seriously, get Will a good bench coach like the Yankees did with Girardi and he’ll be fine. Sheesh, like I said, with our “stiff” players, it won’t matter anyway.
Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:13 pm

That Scully but was pretty good
- Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:15 pm
  
  Bit not but.
- wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:20 pm
  
  I thought so too.
  - alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:29 pm
    
    He overplayed it some theatrically, but hey he put in the years do do what he wants.. I don’t know if you guys saw that but Scully’s left hand was shaking pretty badly, Parkinson’s? Start of ALS? Just old age shakes? Anyway truly is amazing he’s done this for what 70 years?
  - djloo27 said, on October 25, 2017 at 10:34 pm
    
    I have mixed feelings about an old guy who won’t step aside and give a younger person an opportunity.
    Remember: “Willie, say goodbye to America”
alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 5:23 pm

Zumie on baseball future “Launch Angle &Spin Rotation cracks me up!
But that’s old news in a bar, not only Launch Angle& Spin Rotation you have to add Stagger&Rotate!!
Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:10 pm

Electric football, you lying bitch. You promised us fun and gave us nothing but chaos and heartbreak. pic.twitter.com/OeyQDf7vAS

— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) October 26, 2017
- unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:38 pm
  
  Hah! Too funny. It lasted about 5 minutes before we got tired of it started putting everything on it to make it jump. Coins, army men, marbles, . . .
  
  What happened to Hill? Blisters?
  - wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:44 pm
    
    Analytics. The Dodgers don’t want their starters to see a lineup a third time.
  - wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:45 pm
    
    The Astros would do the same thing if they actually had a bullpen. It’s so infuriating.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:39 pm

Fuck. Hou is wasting opportunities.
Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:51 pm

Paly High. Fuck.
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 6:53 pm

Fuck! And if I hear another U2 song going into commercial break, I am going to throw my phone.
- xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:06 pm
  
  how about the between-pitch ads they’re flashing? Catcher walks to the mound; minuscule break, T-Mobil Taco Bell or some shit shows up to obscure most of the view of the field. that’s outrageous
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:04 pm

Wow. This isn’t going well.
snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:14 pm

If the Giants get Stanton, what’s to stop teams from just walking his ass constantly since he’ll be surrounded by the Murdered Row of Pence and Span and Gorkys and Slater and ? That’s a lot of money spent on intentional walks. Anyway, if Nightengale says he’s coming to the Giants, he’ll probably end up with the Dodgers. They don’t want to spend any more $? Why not?…
- alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:27 pm
  
  Fuck the rest of are outfielders just get both JD Martinez&Stanton and throwin Gorkys to play CF just for speed to cover both their asses!! I want Fucking Bombs spraying out of the Park!!
  And get better scouts through out their minors and international scouting because we’re way behind the times using a concrete tablet from the Flintstones yabba dabba do!!
Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm

home runs. Everything is a fucking home run.
- snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:19 pm
  
  Yup.
  The Conga line model is bullshit in the super ball era.
  Giants need Stanton AND Martinez, and then start loading up on more power on the bench, and in the minors. They had Bonds AND Kent, and a 2nd place NL total of 198 HRs in 2002, led the 2002 NL in OPS, 2nd best NL ERA, and even THEN couldn’t win it all. Stanton alone would be a fun PR move, and that’s it, because then the Giants will sing the “over budget, gotta fund the office/retail development” blues…
  - Flavor said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:24 pm
    
    the Giants are going to stubbornly stick to this conga line BS for a few more years. At that point they’ll try to reverse course. That’ll take another 5 years. We are a decade+ away from our next chance at a WS
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:17 pm

Groundhog Day
alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:17 pm

Verlander reminds me of Billy Chapell(Kevin Costner) “For the Love of the game) aging player going for 1 last glory moment before he rides into the sunset are into Katie you know what..
And of course before I can finish the post he gives it up with a walk and a blast, and now their be down 0-2 for sure..
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:18 pm

I’m out . . . just have to hope Hou wakes up at home.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:19 pm

Both these announcers should just saran wrap the whole booth and go to town. Fuck this.

Both of these bombs come with 2 outs.
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:22 pm

If they cant hit Ross fucking Stripling then fuck it.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:27 pm

No shit. The Dogs are hoping this goes 4 or 5 games. If it goes 7 I can’t believe they are taxing their pen like this.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:27 pm

Houston looks way too much like us.
- snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm
  
  On a bad day, they’re another level better than the Giants…
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:31 pm

2 runs in 2 days?
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:55 pm

Puig is the biggest douche in the game.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 7:56 pm

You’d think Roberts would learn from Bochy that changing pitchers like this doesn’t work.
xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:03 pm

If they used the juiced ball in 2012 Pablo’s second HR off Verlander would’ve hit the mitt instead of the third or fourth row. imo

It occurred to me that there’s another good 3 in 5 during the period 1988 to the present. The Giants appeared in 5 WSs and won 3. Five pennants, three championships. I think only the yankees did better.

I hope the Astros bounce back in this game, in this WS. But I’m not going to bet on it.
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:15 pm

Dodgers have two hits, both homers. It’s a new era of baseball.
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm

Yes!
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm

Yeah, baby!
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:20 pm

Love to see them take the lead.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:23 pm

This is where Roberts could burn out Jensen. Yes!!!
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

And the whole pen. Let’s hope this goes 14 and the Stros win.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

Or now! Just like that!!!!!
xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

The Great Altuve!
- xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:38 pm
  
  the Great Correa
Macdog said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

Big bomb by the little guy!
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:37 pm

MVP!
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:38 pm

Boom boom!!
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:38 pm

Back to back!!!
Macdog said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:39 pm

Bomb Correa!
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:39 pm

Roberts is toasting his pen in 2 short games.
alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:41 pm

Hey Dogpile fans choke on your exhaust pipes on the way out!!
Back to Back baby!!
Their ‘s a new sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Hammond yeah be cool 😎!!
Fields of no dream for this closer!!
- wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:44 pm
  
  One of my all time favorite movies Kat!
- unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:49 pm
  
  48 hours?
  - wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:24 pm
    
    Yeah
snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:43 pm

Another level.
Giants don’t do THAT, Chuck…
😉
snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:44 pm

Home run derby game.
Microcosm of the new type of baseball in MLB…
Macdog said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:48 pm

Dammit, really wanted another run there.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:51 pm

Fuck. What the hell is this? Are they throwing super balls up there?
- blade3colorado said, on October 25, 2017 at 8:56 pm
  
  No shit. Just my take, but this isn’t baseball. Frickin’ Commissioner is a moron for approving this crapfest . . . If he had another brain, it would be lonely.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:00 pm

Oh fuck me,
zumiee said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:01 pm

Giles is chickening out.
- wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm
  
  Your absolutely right Zum. He didn’t trust throwing the slider over the plate so he pussied out and threw it two feet off the plate.
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:02 pm

Can I get a fucking ground out?
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:02 pm

Jesus.
Macdog said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm

Gimme an F….
wilcojoe said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm

Their bullpen is atrocious. Amazing they made it this far.
snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm

I told Mrs. snarkk heading into bottom 10.
There’s no guarantee this is a win with these F’in cockroaches at the Latrine. It’s hard to kill ’em…
zumiee said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm

That’s a pathetic performance from a closer. Gutless.
Lurker John said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm

Giles’ asshole was puckered up so tight you couldn’t pound a pin in it with a jackhammer. What a choke job. Guy throws 98 mph and everything is away.
- alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:09 pm
  
  Lulz..
Lurker John said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm

Some dudes just can’t pitch in crunch time.
snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm

Friggin Stros unvraveling…
alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:07 pm

I just can’t believe this nightmare is happening!
Hey the Astros best pitch is hitting a umpire..WTF???
unca_chuck said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

At least the Dogs are rolling through all their pitchers.
xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:09 pm

the Astros pen was the weak link going in, and it’s the weak link going on

Was that Laz Diaz stopping the errant throw to 2B from going into CF? He’s good for something, after all.
- alleykat69 said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:12 pm
  
  Yeah Diaz almost had a nut removed on that throw..
snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:09 pm

Stros Pen crapout reminds of how good the SF Pen was 2010-12-14. No way that Pen in 10-12-14 would have coughed that up. That Pen had balls of steel…
- xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:11 pm
  
  2014? no. Bumgarner was the pen in games 5 and 7, although Affeldt still contributed a bit.
  - xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:13 pm
    
    In game five, nobody even went down to the pen to warm up.
  - snarkk said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:21 pm
    
    Affeldt pitched 2.1 frames in game 7…
  - xoot said, on October 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm
    
    yes, I know. But Bumgarner went the final five and Bochy never considered sending in Lopez or Romo or Casilla after Affeldt. Nor did he appear to consider any of them, including Affeldt, in game 5.