Bounce Back Game
What a game and an example of resiliency. I would love to know how much of that is influenced from the top and how much of that is just the players being pros. Pence getting to blast off vs the team who brought him up must have been such an awesome feeling for him.
And! Bonus stats! Zero catcher interferences AND zero errors.
An incredible turn around compared to the embarrassment of Monday night……
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Yeah, one thing about this team is their ability to come back. Granted they shouldn’t be falling behind all the time, but hey one thing at a time. Too bad Smargle is already a lost cause as Cueto and Webb are pitching well. Gasman? He’s got the stuff but just hasn’t put it all together. Still curious as to why Rogers is the workhorse of the staff. Menez out of the pen has been pretty successful as well. The rest is a mixed bag of stale chips.
“Mixed bag of stale chips.” -good line-
And since I got up early, a little early morning blues.
This is pretty fricking awesome.
I think Joe’s much better with a big band around him. He’s less guitar hero-ish.
Christmas List – 2020
1) Unca Chuck: Headphones
thx man nice track.
I saw on one of the public channels here an hour worth of the show he did at Greek in LA which was CD/DVD some such. Similar group, plus couple saxes in there. Was tribute to 3 kings–Freddy Albert BB. good stuff.
hard to top OGs though.
Love Joe B, and agree about being better with a bigger band. Great tune…thanks for sharing, Charlie.
Improbable W. tough yard to pitch in; Pence bomb looked to be 250 ft.
At same time, embarrassing L for Stros. Except for the BP they took off Sacto bound Rico, Brantley and some of other hitters are not doing much. And for your pen to lose a game because you can’t get Pence or Crawford out is not a good sign. Playing without Springer hurts but issues go deeper than that.
A’s got shutout last night by Angels and for second night in a row their SP got hammered as Fiers gave up 3 early bombs. Giants see both A’s and Angels when they return from roadie.
…If you think WE have bullpen problems, scroll into some data on the RPs Houston placed on the mound…stratospheric ERA’s and maybe even more newbies than SF has. Stros are going nowhere this year.
Reading through Chron stuff on phone, Z continues to make case Bart isn’t ready. Shea noted he left Seager and Bellinger down for combined 1200 ABs in minors before bringing them up and he was still unsure about them when he did. Looks like the Tromp/Heinie show here for the duration, unless they activate Hermann as LH instead.
Seager and Bellinger didn’t go to college.
Bart had over 500 college ABs in a top flight college league…
sure but doesn’t appear to matter to Z.
Reddick getting thrown out at 3rd to end the inning was pretty big as well. Dumb stuff. I thought we had cornered the market on that.
It was Stubbs, who came in as a pinch-runner, and not Reddick who got caught trying to steal third, even more dumb because Altuve was batting. Similar to the two Pads getting picked off first when the Giants rallied for that win.
Reddick got thrown out at 3B in the second inning, ending that rally.
Ha, right Xoot, forgot that one. Two outs on the bases for ‘Stros, every little bit helps.
Grateful for the no error game. Hard to win when you keep shooting yourself in the foot.
Damn. That is an amazing stat, Dirt. Thanks for the share.
OTH must have a lot of time on his hands…
Next to Mays and McCovey Stan Musial was my favorite player.
Awesome win. Love the way this team battles. Last night’s game (except giving up a four run lead) is an example of the way I hope to see this team play regularly. Battle and never give up, and play clean error-free ball. If they had done this consistently since the beginning of the season, they would probably be above .500.
Cahill vs Grienke tonight. Would be cool as hell to win a series on the road, esp against the cheaters.
Greinke likely HOFer. Winning percentage since leaving KC is sick…
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml
I think a frustrating part of being a fan is a lot of times we believe we know more than the manager or we find ourselves questioning their moves.
Knowing this, how can anyone in their right mind keep putting Belt in the third or fourth spot in the line-up? To bad us fans can’t sue Kapler for malpractice.
At this stage of their careers Belt and Longoria should never occupy the 3rd, 4th, or 5th spot in the line-up.
The top four spots, as results stand today should be occupied by Yaz, Slater, Solano (DH), and Flores. You want your top four hitters coming up more often in the line-up.
Doesn’t Kap and his staff know this? Jeez, our manager and GM base all their decisions on analytics yet still continue to run out the Giants worst hitters in the most key spots in the line-up. This doesn’t make any sense.
Also the fact of not putting Bart out there to save his service time makes no sense to me. Catcher’s careers are sometimes short lived anyway.You put the best team possible out on the field to give yourself the best chance of winning. Who on this blog thinks Tromp and Heineman should be playing over Bart?
You think San Diego would keep the 21 year old Tatis on their practice just to save service time? He’s out there playing MVP level ball and leading San Diego to the playoffs while we keep our top prospect Bart on the practice squad to save service time. Frustrating to say the least.
Yep, makes you wonder about priorities. The only thing that makes any sense it that the FO really doesn’t think Bart is capable.
Even notoriously cheap Mets brought up Alonso last year instead of waiting.
Great point about shortness of catcher’s careers, Bill…
Good point Loo!
53 Homers and 120 RBI’s later at 24 makes even the cheap ass Mets look good!
And then the Giants have a promising performer in Jaylin Davis who’s already 25 and can’t get a crack in this old LU.Just ridiculous the Giants organization thought process when a player like Davis could help this club! Sitting around in Sac does nothing for him..
Agree with you about how Kap and crew have been setting the line-up. I want to see Bart as much as the next fan, but not holding my breath. willieda mentioned earlier about Z saying that Bart isn’t ready, and comparing his minor league ABs to Bellinger, etc. Also, I doubt for the long-haul that Bart is a catcher. I would not be surprised to see him moved to 1B.
If Bart is supposed to be learning the tricks of the catcher trade in Sac, why is he wasting some of that time learning how to play 1B? Bart should be up and playing catcher. If this is all about his FA years, it’s just wrong. Scrimmages facing the odd ex-MLB and AAAA pitchers only goes so far in his development, and not very. I don’t see how these two guys Tromp and Heineman, who have barely played at MLB level, are better defensively in their late 20s than Bart. His power bat would be a great add to this team. Even if he hit .225, he’s learning, and would smash one every so often. I don’t see him having a weak “psyche” that would be damaged by getting schooled fairly often by MLB quality pitching. It’s called learning…
If MLB was run by committees and the Giants committee consisted of Flappers, Bart would have been our starting catcher from game four.
Error free game all around. Today I gotta give Kapler props for making all the right moves.
Just checked the stats on Cahill. Even compared with MadBum, clever Trevor is my new posterboy for the new syndrome of juicedballitis.
Check this out: Pitching for the Acorns in ’18, Cahill sported an ERA of 3.76 and gave up a grand total of eight (8) dingers over 110 IP. Fast forward to last season and the advent of the juiced ball and his ERA skyrocketed to a towering 5.98. Why? Simple. Do the math. 25 mashed-taters over 102.1 IP. Any questions?
Orange-juiced Enron Field is essentially a launching-pad. Unless Cahill has added a stinker or some other downward trajectory pitch, we might hafta endure some fireworks. Main consideration for our latest starter outside of keeping the ball down and out is to not surrender any BB’s.
the juiced ball showed up in 2016ish tho
take a look:
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hihr6.shtml
irrefutable. When the teams got their new shipments of baseballs after the AS break in 2016, things changed.
I was iffy on the Rogers thing, but he worked out. I definitely don’t want to see him today though. Gott has pitched like 3 innings so far. He could have gone another inning yesterday. I’m still curious why they are brining in Rogers so much.
Testing: one-two-three.
Gott has been in six games and pitched six innings this year (1.50 ERA and a tidy 1.0 WHIP).
From the get-go, Kapler has been on a mission to “fix” Belt and Craw. He mentioned both of them before Spring Training, and talked confidently about each of them being able to rebound.
Well….Kapler’s had a big dose of Bore Core now, and he knows what he’s up against. Trying to “positive think” Belt into being a big middle of the lineup producer just isn’t going to happen. Kuiper mentioned Belt fouling off good pitches during an AB last night. That’s the thing; Belt doesn’t punish pitchers’ mistake pitches. He just fouls them off.
He had 3 piped fastballs that he took or fouled off in consecutive ABs. Frustrating to say the least.
Belt was always on the fringe of being a useful hitter. His penchant for walks helped extend his career. The fact that power hitters began ruling the game while his skill set was declining, well, it makes his fall seem probably a little worse than it was……..
Long have I maintained that BB9 severiously has needed the attentions of a hypnotist/sports psychologist. That stuff works, though likely not in all instances. It would have had been a worthy try.
kinda funny the replacement level newbie Heineman got bunt down, and Belt can’t. He gets a pitch every AB thrown on outside corner completely away from the shift D and can’t take advantage.
Like I said, Belt needs some professional assistance in gettin his head rearranged.
This just so smacks of Bochy and Posey last year. Kapler has to get over the fact that these guys should not stack a lineup card, and they should not be in the top 6 spots in the lineup.
After today giants have 11 home games over next 2 weeks. Let’s see if Belt can take advantage of closed archways, or not. No more excuses.
The Mets are cheap??? They have the 6th highest payroll in all of MLB.
Plus, they didn’t have to factor in a plandemic when making the call to bring up Alonso last year.
Well. compared to their crosstown rivals . . .
The Wilpons are despised by their fan base, Dog…
I know. But you can’t say they aren’t willing to spend big on players.
fwiw Greinke shut out A’s through 6 last Friday up here. threw 84 pitches so fully stretched out. Guy knows what he’s doing. Early Stros LU without Altuve but Springer back as DH.
Guess who DH for SF…ain’t Wilmet, team bomb leader now with 4.
1. Mike Yastrzemski (L) CF
2. Alex Dickerson (L) LF
3. Austin Slater (R) RF
4. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
6. Hunter Pence (R) DH
7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
8. Tyler Heineman (S) C
9. Mauricio Dubon (R) 2B
Wow. So much for spacing out the bore core. 4-8 is a murder-victim row.
Giants optioned Garcia and Menez to the alternate site. Cahill and Dereck Rodriguez activated,
Menez must be hurt.
He sprained his beard.
MRI tomorrow…
WTF?
Anyone see the statcast numbers for Hunter’s long fly ball HR last night? Fine with me if he can hit the RF first row fairly consistently in bandboxes, but it looked like a big pop up to me.
Fucking Belt in the four hole, again. SMH…you suck, Kap.
https://www.mlb.com/giants/gameday/giants-vs-astros/2020/08/12/631447#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=631447
Bottom 2/3 of that LU looks pathetic—cue cruise-control for Greinke.
it is scary to see how the LU tapers down. the match ups on the page DJLoo linked show Belt and Pence with pretty good numbers vs. Greinke. Analytics???? Talk about stale data.
Play the kids!!!!
Who used to post that all the time?
Full Bore Core tonight. What’s the over/under on total hits+walks for the BC tonight? I’ll stay positive and not say the number I’m thinking.
2.5
Good call. It’s right at the cutting edge.
Kap is playing the long game with Belt: “You’re signed for another year, and I need you to be good! I believe in you! You’re a beast!”
Did you install a bug in the locker-room?
Between every pitch, Belt takes two or three steps straight backward and out of the batter’s box. He could shake things up and do a different ritual. Yet the vast majority of players stick to their rituals. Rowand stuck to his goofy batting stance even as his career was going down the drain. Jarrett Parker would never stop fidgeting so much at the plate. Why not try something different if you’re floundering?
https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/george-kittle-to-sign-contract-extension-with-49ers-on-friday
A’s have hit 3 more HRs today, and Angels have 460 ft bomb from Trout and one from Rendon. It is warm today and afternoon game so ball is flying. Still, Rendon for 3 game series 5-10 with bomb each day. Giants according to other Kuiper and Fosse announced SPs are Cueto Gausman Webb for weekend series at the O.
Trout in series is 6-12 with 3 bombs 5 rbis. giants get them for 4 after A’s series. 2 there/2 here.
uh, this doesn’t sound like a wet behind the ears rook who needs to practice and work on fundy’s
Game #20 this evening. Giants are currently 8-11–so that could be projected to 25-35 UNLESS Zaidi and Harris get religion and listen to vets like D-Rod and bring up the whole Kiddie Krew, start with Bart and then add Ramos and maybe even Luciano. Owners would be pissed, but fans would love the upsurge in team energy.
“Belt was always on the fringe of being a useful hitter.” I’d say on the verge of being a star hitter. His stats between 2012-17 made him . . . useful. Among the unlucky injuries, the home field that turned HRs into triples, doubles and outs, and the B+ talent level, he became a target of misplaced criticism instead.
Agree on the declining skills combined with yet more nagging injuries. He’s had stretches earlier in his career where he’s looked utterly hopeless against major league fastballs. He looks overmatched for good now. Greinke does have an under 90s fastball . . . .
Agreed. Belt was victimized by the park and if upper management was really running ahead of the curve they could have marketed him to an AL team needful of a 1st baseman with an excellent OBP AND provided they played half their games in a bandbox, could have transformed him into a monster. Ideal timing would have been after the ’14 championship, secondly in the disappointing ’15 season and still some potential trade-value after the ’16 season. But instead of following business procedures they went with loyalty to one of the key players who brought them to the dances.
He’d have double the HRs in Houston.
Belt looks fat, old, tired and beaten.
Him and Crawford were never really in shape…
Interested to see what happens with Grienke tonight. He’s damn near Kershaw level in terms of career dominance vs the Giants. But, his stuff isn’t what it once was. How will tonight go?
Good start.
Nice long, taxing inning on Greinke. One more good bat added to the lineup and properly positioned could have amounted to a major mess for him. Besides the YazDick run, fouled-off pitches built up the pitch-count. That is one thing which has impressed me with the offense to date–they work those counts vs opposing starters and depending on the quality of the bullpen, set themselves up for building on that foundation.
The transformation of Yaz has been remarkable, and speaks much more loudly about the current approach and coaching than the Andrew Baggarsly inspired criticisms.
Rogers is an interesting experiment. Submariners who can throw strikes have been rare and usually been pretty successful, although I recall Tekulve et al threw a little harder than Rogers does. Presumably the more natural throwing motion takes less out of the arm, ergo the heavier use and willingness to put him in a game on consecutive days after pitching two innings.
I haven’t seen all of his appearances, but one of the bad ones I saw consisted of a few ground balls getting through. He seems to create the same kind of fan anxiety that Romo did. I doubt Rogers will be that successful, but it would be nice if he performed well enough to stick around a few seasons. He’s not boring.
No, he gave up a bomb and a ringing double his first time coming in 2 days in a row. The 2nd time it was a 3 run bomb.
General failure across the board in the 2nd. Greinke’s pitch-count barely budged. Most of the first five batters drew him out a bit–quality at bats.
Stix, I notice you’ve become extremely interested in pitch counts…
Seems to be the name of the game these days, particularly with the anal–ittics riding high.
Bore Core went 0-4 first time through the order.
I think Dereck Rodriguez’s callup is just an audition for other teams to evaluate before he is traded at the deadline.He’s obviously falling out of favor in SF into there doghouse and constantly on the yo-yo train to Sac..He will be traded book it!
That Springer AB was great testimony to the effect of knowing what’s coming. No way Springer swings at the 1-0 slider out of the zone in the good old days.
Whew! Big Shaun bails out the walking-man. Gonna be a long stretch for the bullies tonight.
Those ground-ball force outs indicate some heavy sinking action on Greinke’s offerings.
Awesome Wilson Superskin glove for D-Rod…
Yeah that’s a sharp looking Wilson glove Loo!
I always had a Wilson A2000 glove with the small W emblem next between the right thumb and index finger!Great glove and bad ass looking!
https://ballglovesonline.com/superskin
D-Rod did give up a hit, but 13 of 14 pitches went for strikes. Command and control appears to be there.
Jesus Pence..Grienke throws back to back wild pitches to get Belt to 3 rd with one out and then of course you feebly K missing a pitch by a foot !!
Article on giants tv website by Pavlovic about how well the Giants’ catchers Tromp and Heinie are framing pitches. (Newfangled metric puts them in the top third of mlb or something like that.) Somebody reminded him of the party line, apparently.
Krukow said just now that Menez got sent down because of his high innings. bs. Menez hadn’t pitched in four or five days before last night and his total IP, including last night’s 1, are 11. Oh, well, who knows. Maybe he’ll be back in SF on Friday.
Unbelievable. He has 1 inning more than Rogers iirc
I’ll bet Rogers is available to pitch out of the pen tonight.
Criminy, these cripple fastballs need to be yanked. Or change-ups. Whatever they are they are dead down the middle.
OK there’s my beef with seeing pitches. Dickerson routinely takes the first one, which turned out to be best pitch he saw in entire AB. Then with 2 strikes he swings at the unhittable curveball running away from him and Ks.
damn. close
All hitters foul off or take mistake pitches more frequently than they “punish” them.
Not Gwynn. Or Bonds.
I’ll give you Bonds; singles don’t count enough.
Kent was a tremendous mistake hitter..
Greinke in 5 innings 68 pitches 0 BBs 5 Ks. Other than Yaz 3-3, rest of team is 3-18 I think.
Giants as team have already thrown 85 with 0 outs in 5th and there’s Kap on the phone again.
paging Menez at the airport?
Turn the bus around.
Love to hear percussion…
Maybe because the Astros take so many pitches?
out of the K zone for walks yes.
They also take a lot in the K zone. It’s an inevitable part of the strategy.
Dickerson may simply not have the ability to be more disciplined. To that extent, he should not be looking at strikes he might otherwise drive.
D is getting some close ones.
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Fuck,
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And yet Trump donated 6K to her in her last election!
that was just a classic Trump underhanded move— probably wanted her to do him a political favor down the line. She donated the money, never took it…..
That was cussin on accounta she was a dead-pull prosticutor and much loved by the law n’ order bunch.
88 MPH ball that Belt was WOEFULLY late on…..
Ok, I’m with you that he’s washed up, but even a wash up has been fooled, if he’s behind on 88. The mid-90s and above stuff is what’s beyond his physical abilities.
Stat cast on Juan Soto’s HR earlier 113 mph the ball traveled 466 ft to the top of the second deck!
Man we would all salivate having this stud in are outfield!
But who am I kidding they haven’t developed a homegrown outfielder since Chili Davis 40 years ago in a galaxy far far away…
Kat: Are you forgetting someone who currently sports a BA in the .300 range and an OPS over l.000?
Yaz isn’t a homegrown product Stix.
Though yes I’m thrilled what he has done as a late bloomer..
Kat: Maybe I should have been more specific, as Yazmataz stands out a bunch. No, I was talking about Slater.
have you guys (out of the area) tried watching the Giants games on this site? Perfect quality. How are they able to do this legally?
http://bilasport.net/game/houston-astros-vs-san-francisco-giants-1.html
Sweet. Thanks Flav and Pa Salon.
Remember Blade and “kostaz” I think it was?
Yeah, I think Kostaz is right. Sometimes you’d be watching the game and the dude would change the channel. Next thing you knew, you were watching Love Boat reruns. I bought in to the MLB package at the start of the 09 season and just canceled this year, so this is pretty sweet for me.
the above link came from my main man on the scene in Reno, Pa Salon….
Oh well. We are always hopeful but always a few bucks short.
Man, the pitching just fucking blows.
💨💨💨💨💨💨
fyi for Mr. Baragar: supposed to be about 95 today in Sac, warming over the weekend.
We seem to be evaluating all of our fair to middling to shit pitchers while our top prospects languish in Sacto garnering praise.
Face it, it’s gonna be a long short year…
That is awesomely said.
True, but this weirdo season seems to have generated more Flap game to game commentary so far than last year’s. I’m more interested than I thought I’d be, in any case.
That’s because we are all in hunker-down mode.
Three weeks into the season and it’s already the dog days of August.
Bore Core is now 2-12, no walks, and oh so close to getting over the 2.5 SD over/under.
Time for Sonny Barger to hop back on his Harley and ride with the Hell’s Angels again..
Do you pass Altamont on the way to Sacramento?
Yes you do!!
We can still bring back the Relic’s like The Rolling Stones and the Hell’s Angels, maybe throwin a stabbing are 2?
If you take 580 you do.
I once went to Troy. They at least have this: https://tinyurl.com/y6k4hfc6
Well one good thing out of another lackluster performance, it looks like
Hunter Pence can ketch a fly all with the roof closed..
So far so good with new LHP, Darlin Garcia, who previously pitched for the Marlins. Somehow, amidst all the turmoil, a bullpen begins to take shape. Shakeout will continue, though and by the end of September it may come to resemble a ML relief corps.
Last year we probably had the 2 most sought after trade deadline guys.
This year really nothing to offer.
I wonder how busy the TD in general will be this year…
i mean, the trade deadline should be non existent. If you’re a GM and still see a decent chance of this sham season shutting down early why would you offer anything of value for anyone?
Yeah, and one lousy pro-rated month of salary relief ain’t much incentive for expiring contract dumpers…
Bore Core, 2-16, no walks. They couldn’t get over 2.5.
Their commitment to boredom is the stuff of legend.
Setting a solid over/under is one of my hidden talents.
Love that you went back and ran the numbers.
A team that wants that extra bat going into the playoffs and don’t give a shit about defense cause they’re going to use him as they’re DH, then maybe the Giants could get a decent prospect for Donnie Barrels?
there isn’t a single person associated with MLB who doesn’t think this is a sham season. They’re playing it out for money, however much they can make/generate.
if somehow we get to the end and a WS winner is crowned it’s going to be very interesting to see how the players celebrate it.