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Stacking Wins

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 19, 2023

What an exciting game last night. When they were down 4-1 my mom, who knows very little about these things, said “well they’ll come back, they always seem to come back.” And sure enough they did. More than once.

I look at the Yankees in last place. Sad Diego floundering 10.5 games out. St. Louis doing the same. It’s just outrageous to see the Giants 13 games over .500 and but a game and a half out of first place.

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  1. Dean's avatar Dean said, on July 19, 2023 at 7:33 am

    7 consecutive wins. Incredible road record. 13 games over .500. Different heroes each night. Significant contributions from veterans and rookies.

    And succeeding with only two established starters. Despite twin success last night, DeSclafani had another bad outing. Manaea and Stripling struggling too.

    Unsong success story of Giants 2023 season is very deep bullpen. But sooner or later those arms may tire, especially Doval and his 2 saves in 5 hours last night. Zaidi needs to pluck 1 or 2 starters from non-contending teams by trade deadline.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 7:38 am

      yes. We need another reliable starter or two. This cobbled together bullpen bullshit isn’t going to last all Summer.

      • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:50 am

        Yes it is–might not like “PB” but their pitching is one of tops in NL. Pen is fine.

        what they need more than anything is another vet middle IF bat (preferably RH) to cover for Crawford Wisely Schmitt yada yada. Brisbee said this in TA, after referencing all the good things about the team, “…up the middle, though, the Giants are scuffling” and he refers to Estrada since April too.
        per Crawford, he said “…he’s currently in the middle of one of the worst offensive seasons of his career.” Flemms said yesterday knee is bothering him again. Reinforcements, pls.

  2. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:10 am

    I don’t get why the Giants broadcast shows a closeup of the Reds doing their stupid comedy schtick in their dugout after they hit a home run. Giants fans don’t want to see it, and the Giants broadcast is under no obligation to show it. It’s tone deaf producing from the production team.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:17 am

      i don’t mind seeing it. It’s interesting to see what other players are doing with their celebrations.

    • Winder's avatar Winder said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:23 am

      I guess it’s entertainment for some kinda like some of the showboat end zone celebrations where the whole team gets into the act. I hate it especially when it’s the Niners.

    • djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:33 am

      One good thing is that it shows the Giants are above that dumb shit.
      At least for now…

  3. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:16 am

    And not to be ultra picky, but I still would have liked to have seen a close up review of what Rogers did on that pick off move. Hunter isn’t a pitcher, but maybe he could have analyzed the move. I wanted to know how it isn’t a balk. Taylor starts his wind up and then stops, no balk. Other times a pitcher will barely flinch, and that’s a balk.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:18 am

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:20 am

        to me this is a balk although I admit to never understanding the balk rules. He’s obviously trying to deceive the runner by starting his motion to home. How is that not a balk?

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:33 am

        Thanks for the video clip!
        I guess he’s allowed to start the wind up and spin like that; but that’s way more “balky” than a pitcher barely flinching a little before starting his wind up, in my opinion. And the flinch gets the balk call.

      • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:58 am

        what I read is he wasn’t making a move toward the plate, just starting his motion.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:17 am

        No move to the plate is the key. When he raises his left knee, it looks to me like it’s already leaning back, aiming at 2B.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:38 am

        I think if a pickoff throw follows a “flinch” like foul it should be a balk but with no throw any transitory deception is totally harmless and itshouldn’t be. But that’s not the rule.

      • djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:44 am

        I didn’t know he could throw overhand.
        Isn’t that some form of deception?
        And speaking of deception, I would be tempted to
        penalize catchers who’ve taken this pitch framing way too far.
        In hockey, you can get penalized for embellishing something
        (usually a tripping call) to make it look like an infraction to the referee.
        In baseball, you can do whatever you want to make the ump look stupid.
        It’s encouraged and supported by all kinds of technology.
        What a shit job…

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 19, 2023 at 10:26 am

        I thought the key reason for calling a balk is to prevent the pitcher from deceiving the runner. That move looked pretty deceptive to me, but I think the main thing there was he didn’t make a move towards the plate before turning right to make the throw to 2b. But, I think the whole balk thing is ludicrous. Agreed, whenever a balk is called, unless the move is an accidental misstep or something, you can rarely figure out where the “deception” move was — there’s nothing there…

  4. Winder's avatar Winder said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:33 am

    I cringe every time I see him pitch.

  5. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:55 am

    Anybody else lost the “edit” capability? I noticed this all of a sudden yesterday. And now, I’m required to log in every time I make a post.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:23 am

      i’ll send you an invite to be an editor again, maybe it kicked you out for some reason

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 19, 2023 at 10:21 am

        Thanks

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 11:06 am

        Snarkk can you send me a different email address than your Google one? It’s not letting me send it to the Google one, it says you’re already an editor

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 19, 2023 at 12:04 pm

        Will do

    • Winder's avatar Winder said, on July 19, 2023 at 11:30 am

      Me too.

  6. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:01 am

    Bailey is 6-41. No one thought he’d continue to hit like he was, but BA has dropped 50 points from .324 to .270. He is the everyday C and doing wonders, joy to watch behind plate.
    But combined with Wisely Schmitt other rooks and Crawford in lineup I think Giants are short a stick, and another rook from AAA won’t help.

  7. xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:25 am

    Annual ump training for upper LL levels–big field, regular baserunning rules etc–always ended with a showing of the balk dvd. Couple dozen pitcher moves–balk or no balk for each. Slo mo explanations. It was a comedy.

  8. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:32 am

    The rooks are leading all other teams in RBI’s with 106? they have a dynamic group of veterans and rookies that are getting the job done. But adding a RH bat for the infield would be a nice extra add, maybe SS Tim Anderson who along with many White Sox’s are on the trade block, along with Cardinals (Arenado would sure be special would he be available now?)? Cubs Bellinger ( long ties with Z&K)seems to have found his stroke and a plus OF defender

    Still another starter like Stroman has to be on their bucket list..
    They’re still going to get reinforcements back with Brebbia &Jackson so this outstanding BP seems fine to me.

  9. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 10:23 am

    Sabol 1-10 on road trip with 7 Ks. He’s struck out 80 times already in less than 250 plate appearances, for over 30% rate. Really like potential as hitter with some pop, but…
    Like Bailey, who has 3 % walk rate, 5 total in 167 plate appearances and 28% K rate w 47 so far, league will adjust and make life more difficult for them. Don’t see Bart being much help either.

  10. xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 11:57 am

    game time last night was 3:30 — not bad for so much action. AZ 16-13 whipping of ATL only required 3:05.

  11. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 19, 2023 at 12:27 pm

    At this point I have more faith in Stripchat. DeScaffolding is just lazy sliders getting blasted out of the yard. Maybe he’s rusty. Like Junis. And Manaea.

    We just have so many wobbly guys in the pen and the rotation. I don’t see how we don’t get pitching help. It’ll cost Bart and maybe Villar but I don;t care at this point. Bart should get us something reasonable.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 1:49 pm

      Cobb and Webb. That’s it. I don’t know what Bart brings but it probably isn’t much. He sucks.

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 19, 2023 at 2:18 pm

        Yeah, but that doesn’t preclude some team (Boston?) from taking a shot. They don’t have much going on at the catcher position.

  12. James's avatar James said, on July 19, 2023 at 2:04 pm

    The 2023 edition is what the 2021 would have been had Posey, Belt, and Crawford played closer to their career numbers. The extravagance of the 107 wins allowed the season to be dismissed as a “fluke” in the wake of 2022. I’ve said it before: The Zaidi/Kapler regime’s reputation would probably be in better shape if they’d won ninety instead of 107 in 2021. I’m satisfied, even while screaming at the TV as JD Davis misses consecutive meatballs down the heart of the plate.

  13. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 3:49 pm

    O’s lit up Urias for 8 runs in 5 innings. They’ve got Opie on IL, no Buehler, wasted $$ on Thor and mess of a pen. the kid they started yesterday, Grove, has an ERA of 6.40.
    competition for starting pitching worth a dang will be massive for Stroman or others. Keep filling in set up guys if anything.

  14. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 3:57 pm

    Villar in starting lineup???

  15. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 3:59 pm

    Craw to IL.
    rest my case/get some ML middle IF help.

  16. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:22 pm

    I’ll take Villar to knock one out of that toy park tonight…

  17. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:24 pm

    Not sure what the big red dildo the Reds swing around then they hit a home runs is all about, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

    I mean, it’s pretty retarded to be dancing around the dugout with a dipshit helmet on when you are down 8-1.

    I get having fun and baseball could use a shitload of lightening up, but those forced celebrations are weak sauce.

  18. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:37 pm

    Embarrassing. 1b and 3b no outs, Villar and Wisely can’t put a ball in play.

    • James's avatar James said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:41 pm

      Tracking on Gameday, was that 3-2 to Wisely really that far inside? Crazy.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:52 pm

        Way out of the strike zone, but the runner on first running may have made him over-aggressive there.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:53 pm

        It seemed like an odd decision to send the runner.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:12 pm

        It was almost like an old fashioned hit and run fuck up but does that seem possible with wisely at the plate? He strikes out 30% of his PAs.

  19. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:57 pm

    Early in his career, Stripling’s ticket to the big leagues was a dynamic swing-and-miss breaking ball. Where’s that pitch been nowadays? Without that pitch, he’s just a tomato can.

    • djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:08 pm

      Ask Barry Zito…

  20. xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 4:59 pm

    Key to the game: stripper must go deep. That’s not what we meant, stripmine.

    Fuck. Perfect throw from Matos and wisely misses the evasive swim move.

  21. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:11 pm

    I’m surprised the term “suicide squeeze” hasn’t fallen victim to whoever decides what’s insensitive. I give it less than a year…

  22. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:26 pm

    Looked safe to me on the replay…

  23. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:27 pm

    ah, had a shot there as Reds SP put 3 guys on by himself.
    3 ground balls from Joc tonight, yuck.

  24. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:46 pm

    And here we go. 3 rd look is charm.

  25. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 5:58 pm

    The Justified sequel series has started, Justified: City Primeval. Raylan is back, in his cowboy hat, taking on criminals.

    • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:13 pm

      Yeah but he’s not in Kentucky this time is he? My gun expert and Damascus steel knife making friend there loved Justified. I liked it. We don’t talk about Trump.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:19 pm

        Yeah, the new series is set in Detroit.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:57 pm

        Old Elmore Leonard territory. Faithful commitment to his vision of multicultural American character and conflict, not to mention vernacular, made Justified good. I try to read C McCarthy but find myself thinking about Faulkner instead. Leonard is much less ambitious but probably more authentic.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:58 pm

        Than McCarthy

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 9:50 am

        Yeah, I read Leonard a ton back in the day. Starting with Mr. Majestyk. Fun stuff. Even the good guys are bad. And not nearly as dark and depressing as McCarthy. But I like ’em both.

        Just saw the movie In the Electric Mist with the Confederate Dead. Great book by James Lee Burke. Kinda in the middle between Leonard’s goofiness and McCarthy’s seriousness. Read a few of his books.

  26. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:09 pm

    We need power-hitting from Matos at some point.

  27. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:24 pm

    One of those frustrating games where it was highly winnable.

  28. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:24 pm

    Streak is over. Only saw the 9th, was there no one available to hit for Villar? He can’t be hitting down a run in that bandbox.

  29. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:38 pm

    Only used 2 pitchers today as Strip went 6, so set up with Cobb for day game tomorrow. One bad inning, 10 groundballs 0 BBs. Faced 22 hitters gave up 4 hits.

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 19, 2023 at 6:41 pm

      retired last 11 guys he faced.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 19, 2023 at 7:02 pm

        Did his job.

  30. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 19, 2023 at 7:18 pm

    Sabol stroked another one. At least there’s that.

  31. mrsprtdude's avatar mrsprtdude said, on July 19, 2023 at 8:24 pm

    I hoping when we make the playoffs we hold the record for fewest rbi’s with the bases loaded in the history of playoff teams. Good start for Strips. Maybe a good omen. Bullpen was up in the 4th. Good for kap for sending him back out!

  32. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 19, 2023 at 9:43 pm

    Another immaculate grid.
    This game was made for us.
    50000X better than the jail sentence Wordle

  33. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 9:57 am

    Like I said earlier, I have more faith in Stripsearch than DeScaffolding now. Maybe he’s rusty, but even before the hammy, he wasn’t sharp.

    Power from Matos? Nope. He may start slapping doubles around, but he’s no 20 HR guy.

  34. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 10:02 am

    They didn’t toss Votto? Fuck that.

  35. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 10:03 am

    need to get some fucking runs.

  36. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 10:09 am

    We are running out of bodies, and Schmitt is doing little to nothing.

  37. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 10:12 am

    Tater time for Slater.

  38. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2023 at 10:12 am

    Got to say, the umping this whole roadie has been flat dog shit.

    Fuck. Close.


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