Niner Game
Hey, what’s this? Another Niner game? Yes please. Anything to take us away from the pathetic slow death of this year’s Giants team. Speaking of the Giants…..No Barkley. It’s our home opener. We smoke these fools like an old lady smoked a cigarillo in the 70s, right? RIGHT?
Sooner or later I gotta be right with that take……..
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I’m glad I won’t have to stream the 9ers tonight.
The Giants are playing the Dodgers so at some point I’ll have to watch that game, don’t really want to, but I think it’s the law.
Speaking of smoke, air quality is still really bad around here. At least NYGs get to play on real grass field.
Not sure how anyone would find out, but I wonder what Posey is telling Greg Johnson and ownership about present state of team, future, FAs, platoons, vets-rooks, et al. He has 3 rings under Bochy/Sabean and 107 W season with Kap/Zaidi.
Have to look it up, but Phils of 2010-12 Manuel era were vet laden steady lineup group built around Howard Utley Rollins yada yada. Giants had more moving parts btw 3/5–Rent/Uribe left and Craw and Panik came in, Huff and Freddy Sanchez, backup Cs, good and bad of Pablo, OF was in flux too (Ishi Morse Blanco Torres Pence Pagan), plus rotation. And Bochy took lot of heat here and elsewhere over not playing rooks.
Wonder how sold Posey is on current state of affairs, and how things might improve in short term.
I’m sure Posey’s acutely aware of how often the team squandered Webb’s good games. Those failures are like lightning bolts amid the general shit storm of the season, revealing the worst. But gotta wonder if Buster’s share of the team gives him much say. Advice? It’s a complicated entertainment/real estate development business at that level.
Anything can happen on these Thursday games. And we have 2 of them this year. We travel to Seattle for a Thanksgiving game. We should spank ’em but no one on either side is ready. And the Giants lose a day to travel.
Giants have been in Arizona after playing there Sunday, so the travel part is the least of their problems.
Here’s my bitch with the Giants. They aren’t developing anyone. I know they have this farm system that’s grading out ok but like in a million years can you see an Acuna or a Carroll coming out of that system? It’s just ludicrous how bad all our young players are.
Right? I’ve seen a couple Mets prospects bombing away vs. Marlins this week (yes, small sample size) and wondering when we’ll see the same from the Giants.
More reasons to be confident? Giants have lost 7 straight Thursday night games — NY Giants, that is. Their last Thursday win was 2015 vs. Washington.
The Giants have to build around Bailey and Luciano.
I could see Bailey by next season being a strong clubhouse leader.
The Giants do need to snag some better free agents. The Pederson/Conforto/Haniger type of thing ain’t happening. Pederson has admitted that he’s put on weight during the season. He said it’s not a big factor, but it just shows he’s not real serious about his career.
Go big after Bellinger. Maybe Ohtani.
And get the big free agent this time. No more losing out on the bidding yet again.
Joc got his $18 mill and decided to laugh and eat his way through the season. Hunter Bishop is a hologram of a hologram. Schmitt has potential. But 5+ years into this regime and we have Bailey.
As Snarkk has been saying forever, when will we ever draft on OFer worth a damn?
Chili Dog is the last all star OFer drafted by the Giants. That we didn’t trade away that is.
That is a loooooooooong time.
Ohtani? Surely you can’t be serious. He’s old and damaged. Fuck that. Bellinger? Sure.
He can still hit and that will be main value going forward. 1.000 OPS hitter, even with Angels, who can run. 44 HRs/20 SBs. Biggest issue will be putting talented hitters around him sp he doesn’t get walked 175 times.
$600 mill for a guy who will play 95 games?
No bueno.
Like I mentioned over on Chuck’s blog the 49ers are going to DESTROY the NY Giants 44-10!!No Barkley no chance, besides nobody can run on the 49ers Defense anyway consistently.And in all of Brock Purdy regular season starts he has have, the 49er score atleast 30 points a game, so I’m padding it up to 44 easily along with my new FG kicker Jake “The Mood Ring” Moody who is bombing them in from 57 already and perfect for the season and 2nd in FF scoring among FG kickers, not bad for a rookie replacing old man Gould that nobody still wants..
They are the only team in the NFL that still after 2 weeks do not have a sack,interception,are a fumble recovery like are SF Giants they flat out suck..
Get Bellinger and an under the radar guy like Max Kepler.
Flav’s 7:57 is accurate. Watching the speedy athletic AZ guys only brings it home even more.
but what I’m missing more is all the offense and HR power from 2021. Giants of today 9th HRs 11 OB and 13 slugging. 2021, first in HR 3rd OB first in slugging.
They had to know all the rest BC got from short season of 2020 wouldn’t allow old guys to duplicate 2021 following season. They were all done and posey retired, Giants didn’t add on and that’s what they are paying for now.
Giants of today have low OB and K a lot. so you have to make most of your ABs and have hitters who can yank ball out of the yard. Flores leads the team.
AZ has 2 guys with 30 HR power, what Z talked about having earlier when Giants were hitting.
As is they are still ways short of Dodgers, but lot closer than SF is to having non boring competitive team. I think Giants pitching will be better next year, but dunno where hitters come from unless one of younger guys break out or they can somehow acquire more HR power.
Unfortunately, this OF Vaun Brown can’t seem to stay healthy. Otherwise:
Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic wrote: “He is as tooled up and athletic as any player the Giants have had in their system — not just this season, but in a generation. He burns up the basepaths. He has an above-average arm…. He handles high-velocity fastballs. He’ll turn around a first-pitch breaking ball. He can hit for power to all fields, and because of his speed, almost anything in play has the potential to be an extra-base hit. He isn’t just fast. He’s hungry fast. From the instant he takes off, he’s got the forward body lean of a sprinter stretching for the tape. He has been timed at 3.8 seconds home to first, which is exceptional for a left-handed hitter and elite for someone breaking out of the right-handed batter’s box, like Brown.”[25] (Aug. 2022)
Xoot, if you had seen my AA report from July I noted Vaun Brown was the mast impressive player we had seen..ahead of Luciano that night…
Yeah we had some back and forth about his power potential. Healthy, he’d be a 40/40 guy. Well, maybe 30/30. I watched him in a couple of televised or streamed 2023 ST games and was stunned. Then he got hurt.
Brown is currently on the IL again. He’s three years older than Luciano.
Luciano definitely our best hitting prospect and I think will be the starting shortstop next year, but on that one day Brown is the one who stood out…
He looked like the best player on the field in those ST games. Big oppo HR, SBs, good plays. But the IL. Let’s hope Luciano’s outgrowing his attraction to injury.
Just caught this very good Pavlovic piece. Dead on…
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/mlb/san-francisco-giants/diamondbacks-athleticism-corbin-carroll-offseason/1656677/?amp=1
And who are we in the bottom five in the league with in team speed? Mets Red Sox Yankees and White Sox…all older team losers…
Down with what Unca said about Ohtani. This guy is 29 and will be 30 sometime in July next year. A torn UCL can make throwing or even gripping a ball difficult, if not impossible, without surgery. So what, right? We’re going to pay him a gazillion dollars to just DH? My understanding is that the surgery he had to repair the UCL today (or yesterday) will be fully repaired by 2025 season, where he is able to pitch again. He has had 14 injuries since 2018 per this site . . . https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/shohei-ohtani-player-injuries and no, I did not add the ones which occurred a few days or one day apart from the link. This guy is a cry baby insofar as injuries are concerned. Cramps??? Sheesh. Remember, this doesn’t even account for his playing time in Japan.
I will say it here first – if we back up the Brinks truck to his Orange County home and he signs, the first time this guy is injured with us or goes “south,” insofar as performance, EVERYONE HERE WILL CURSE THE GIANTS AND OHTANI LOUDER THAN WE EVER DID BARRY FUCKING ZITO. lol
Signing Ohtani is the LAST thing this team should do. That’s a Larry Baer PR move.
Giants had the greatest hitter in the league for a generation in Bonds, and couldn’t muster a WS win, and just one WS appearance while he was around. Ohtani isn’t the hitter Bonds was. The foreseeable future doesn’t look like Ohtani would have much of a supporting cast, certainly not close to as good as the 2002 team. Giants need multiple BIG LEAGUE players that can actually play defense, run the bases, and produce offensively. And, without getting hurt regularly. I don’t see any of this year’s youngsters other than Bailey that look likely to fill that bill; and the FA market apparently is slim this offseason. The near future doesn’t look too bright…
I think PR moves are also needed to drum up fan interest after year after year of coming up short with big names. People have to pay their money to want to go and see them play and I am surprised people this season have been wanting to pay to see the Mitch Hanigers and Confortos. If I were back there living full time there are a lot of other things to do that would probably come ahead of forking over cash to see the Giants….golf for one…
But I would not do more than what we gave to Rodon, two years $22 mill a year (what does the money matter at this point with a very middle of the pack payroll expected for next year?) and give him an opt out after one year. See if that quite similar DH money we gave to Joc Itch is worth a year of Shohei. And then if Shohei wants to show he can pitch in that second year he can capitalize on if his arm is demonstrably sound and becoming a free agent after the second year.
Shanahan needs to spell McCaffrey at running back. He’s been in something like 92% of the offensive snaps the first two games. Break that back to 70% or something. That dude cannot get run down at the end of the season, or get hurt with some lingering injury. He might be the MVP of the team…
Giants call up Luciano,Fitzgerald &Beck
Crawford to DL ,Highway to Hjelle optioned back to minors, and BF’s boy Dejong no surprise has been released…
Crawford will be eligible to finish off his farewell to fans for the final series at home.Hjelle good chance will not end up on the 40 man roster next year..
Way overdue to get more Youth up her.Looking forward to seeing Fitzgerald &Luciano close out the season everyday!
Shanahan all offseason said how he would spell CMC as to not get him hurt like he was in Carolina. Then after the Ram game he said he ‘forgot’ about Mitchell and resting CMC.
He had CMC and Bosa in during the 4th quarter of the Steeler blowout. That he blamed on the Deetroit game a couple years ago when the Lions scored 21 points in the final 2 minutes and almost won the game.
Shanahan is screwy sometimes. He’d better not fuck this up.
I hope we rest Aiyuk tonight. And give Mitchell 15-18 carries. Bell is a solid WR. He can cover for Aiyuk one game.
Aiyuk officially out tonight, Chuck…
Looks like the Giants are bringing in Tyler Fitzgerald.
Oops – see Kat’s 1:10 post
Craw to the 10 day IL, DeJong gone. Edit – Kat already scooped me.
and Luciano is back. As Kat already said.
Normally, any sports article on SFGate is BS.
This one, actually is pretty spot on. It boils down to ownership.
I’m getting to the point of having no confidence in this ownership.
The stadium is paid for; the real estate investment is apparently kicking in.
There are no excuses for the joke of a team this has become in the last 6 weeks.
We are getting the quality of ball in the Giants that ownership apparently is just fine with.
Gawd, I wish we had somebody like Lacob who will bust ass to field a contending team…
https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-playoff-hopes-finished-18380821.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight
He makes some good points and I have read where Johnson has said he wants to break even (I think with the cap in mind).
He’s right about our current salary, Cot’s has us at $ 187.9 but our projected CB Tax rate is at $214.3 or just $18.6 under 2023 cap. The thing he doesn’t mention is that we have a lot coming off the books next year, how they spend it to fill all the holes, will be the true tell IMO.
Outstanding article (surprised I was able to access it. Must be that I haven’t read an article of theirs in about 3 months). I think for the Flap, the most important aspect of this article to take note of, is that we mostly throw our venom and darts at Z and/or Kapler. Consequently, if you agree with what the author wrote, they are mostly blameless. Or, as the author wrote:
“. . . Farhan has proved adept at finding the kind of talent that excels in his roster-building model and the team’s payroll parameters. Kapler has done an admirable job of mixing and matching with the talent he has to work with. Could they do more with a higher payroll? We’ll probably never know, because in that same interview, Johnson made it clear that the Giants have an implied budget, saying, “I don’t think we’d ever see ourselves massively exceeding that (competitive balance tax) level in the luxury tax.”
So any dreams of what Farhan may be able to do with a $290 million payroll are out the window. He and Kapler are perfect for what the Giants want to do: field a competitive team that doesn’t get too close to that tax line. Changing them out for a new regime that would be subject to the same restrictions isn’t going to satisfy anyone. Giants fans are rightfully angry, but focusing that anger on only the GM and manager is misplaced.”
Does anybody have any insight as to why the Doghairs consistently pull MLB quality talent out of their minor leagues, year after year, while Giants fans have to jizz themselves when one player (Bailey, maybe) who looks like a MLB talent shows up every once in a while? What is it that LA’s scouting and development is doing that the Giants don’t? It can’t all be just throwing more money at the minors — or is it?
I wish I knew. The A’s have been drafting gobs and gobs and gobs of talented players since Beane came aboard. Sabean had 6 great drafts from 2005 to 2010 in his 18 year here. It helped win those 3 rings but before and after was Tony Torcado, Bowker, Gary Brown, and the like. Now we got Highway to Hjelle, Hunter (hurter) Bishop, and a whole lotta we’ll sees.
Blade, SF Gate is a free site.
The thing is, Snarkk, how much better is the team since the regime change?
We have very little in the 4+ years of Farhan from the farm. Yeah, next season should see a lot of younger players, but Bailey is the only one so far to make any kind of impact in the majors. One guy in 5 seasons
I guess the farm is in better shape, but how much good does that do us? Next year is another placeholder year with a couple mid-level 30 years olds to man the OF? Scrap-heap signings like Stripfuck and Manaea while we wait for Dirty Harry, Luciano, and Hunter Bishop try to stay for more than a cup of coffee as they yoyo up and down the option line?
I’ve soured on this process because Greggie is just gonna be the poster boy for the cheapskates running the team. It’s obvious now that their strategy is to make a half-hearted run at big free agents and call it a day.
I tested it and you are right, e.g., I went to multiple articles. Question – isn’t this the Chronicle’s online version (or does the Chronicle and “Green Page” try to get you to subscribe after a few free articles)? I thought the SF Gate was part of the Chronicle????
They are different. You have to pay for the Chronicle.com and the sporting green, what’s left of it. SFgate is a poor excuse for a website with Bay Area info.
SFGate is different, and a crap site.
You have to pay a negligible amount to get into sfchronicle.com and what’s left of the sporting green.
Not defending Giant management, but how many of those insane FA contracts are we happy not to be saddled with?
I have no idea what is going on here. I type in a post, and it shows up a few minutes and 6 refreshes later…
Good point. Entire SS market was all overpays. Z taking Joc over Schwarber maybe only real miss.
Every year I see our drafts as full of potential but they rarely come even close to that potential. Hard to say it’s all on scouting or development it has to be on both but for whatever reasons we sure aren’t keeping up with the league.
Just hope we play a clean game against the Giants tonight. Mistakes and penalties just drag everything down.
Al Michaels has Niners winning 4 Super Bowls, haha. And not the first mistake he’s made so far.
Purdys game last year instead of last week, and he didn’t correct it.
Yeah, heard that too. Also had Niners losing to Eagles in divisional round.
Doesn’t he have aides there to right the ship? He just flounders on.
D Waller with 2 catches for 11 yards.
His coach Josh McDaniels traded him across country from Vegas to NYG 10 days after he got married to Vegas Aces b-baller Kelsey Plum. She tweeted a what’s up with that-maybe because he wasn’t invited to wedding.
Ms. Plum won Cal state champ LaJolla Country Day HS, lit up Pac 12 for UW (who got to Final Four) and set college career scoring record.
Sexy Sadie
Kat’s boy Moody with 3 FGs. Not watching but Niners struggling in red zone?
I wish the Giants offense had that problem.
Dodgers starter with 5+ ERA has 7 Ks in 3 innings.
Conforto makes a play! I want to see another shot of sexy Sadie.
Dodgers got the lead-off double, then got him over and then got him in. It’s winning baseball. The Giants have the hardest time doing it.
Wade sure does strike out a lot.
He’s tied for 175th worst in mlb this year with, what the fuck? Patrick Bailey, who has played 30 some fewer games w about 100 fewer ABs.
Does Greenlaw get paid more if he commits at least one personal foul per game?
Sadie’s pumped for the rbi walk.
At least they got no-hitter dude out of there.
Did Yaz forget the outs?
Yes
Yeah, watching Dodgers feed on MLB Network, their dumbbells finally figured that out after the break.
“And Yaz I think forgot the outs!” Best Kuip call. in the moment, since 2010.
Fitz hitz.
Sexy Sadie is the star of the game. Krukow, remote in SF, is beside himself.
Such bad baseball.
Embarrassing.
My god, this is putrid.
Giants baseball! Nothing like it!
Yeah that was really an ugly thing Zumie.2 Wild pitch runs score after a JD Davis boot, and a ball off of Flores glove for a double .What can go wrong always comes back to bite this team..
Mercifully their season is getting to its end pretty soon.
Man, even Freddie Freeman steals bases. The big guy has 21 and our top base stealer, Estrada, has 22. Crazy.
You know the season has hit rock bottom when it will come down to the Crawford’s showering of a love fest ending the last couple of days as he tries to get to the Mendoza Line as a hitter.
The beach balls always suck but it’s hard to fault the la fans for leaving early tonight.
Brutal.
Will the Padres finish above the Giants this year? I’m inclined to bet yes.
It’s starting to look that way… I didn’t think Miami or Cincy would stay ahead of ’em, but … well…
Everyone loves Mr. Ed, your certain Willie Mac winner, but man that RISP stat I saw tonight was really horseshit…
We do all love Wilmer, very much. Wish he wasn’t the team’s best hitter, though…..