LogDog Deserves The CY
To me, Webb showed MLB that he deserves consideration for CY in the National League. 216 innings, by far the most pitched in MLB. 1.07 WHIP. People talk about Snell? LMAO. He’s leading the NL in walks. Come on. I could see Strider for sure. But Webb pitched his ass off this year.
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Oh yeah. As Baggs pointed out, Webb finished the game while Snell left after 6 and Giants won it off pen.
Webb’s postgame “I’m tired of losing” rant will get lot of focus. I’ve already seen it on twitter (NBCS), mlb.com cbssports and TA just this AM. Gets very specific (as does Baggs) about post game clubhouse stuff he didn’t like (music etc.) after team had lost.
Wouldn’t you say that’s Kapler and coaches failure?
exactamondo…I doubt they fire Kapler but I am ready to move on…
Hard to say where blame lies (Kap certainly had authority) and Baggs did bring up Posey’s name again; Craw is the longest standing vet in the room, right? Interesting that Conforto backed Webb up. I actually like Conforto as guy who says all the right things. Unfortunate he couldn’t stay healthy and be more of contributor offensively. appears he did enough to convince Boras he should opt out and hit FA market.
If Kapler allowed that, and yes, I agree he’s responsible for the “tone” on and off the field, along with leaders like Webb – Kapler has failed basic “Leadership 101.”
Yeah, I would fire him for that sort of shit. None of this I knew about. Is there a link to an article about this?
Here’s what Webb said. Shots fired . . .
“To be honest, winning is more important,” Webb said when asked about the Cy Young Award. “If we don’t do that then it’s kind of a waste. That’s my goal. I’m tired of losing. It’s not enjoyable. It’s not fun. We have to make some big changes in here to create that winning culture that we want to show up every single year and try to win the whole thing.”
That’s only part of it. per Baggs, he “criticized a clubhouse that enjoyed the wins but too easily brushed off the losses.”
“We’ve got to come in here with the same winning mentality every single day. Not saying we don’t have that, just need to throw little extra onto that” is direct quote from Webb. Goes on to say how bad he feels for Cobb, of whom he said, “he should be pitching in the playoffs. I want to help make that happen for him. It’s just tough.”
When you sign guys (Joc, Conforto, Manaea, etc) who aren’t invested in the future (one-year opt-out deals) and mainly looking to get their numbers, there’s no real impetus to win games if there isn’t at least some presence to hold their feet to the fire.
Manaea and Conforto are gone. And Conforto sure won’t be missed. The guy they DID sign (Haniger) to a 3 year deal of course was hurt most of the season, so we are gonna roll into 2024 looking like much the same team. More young guys, but the OF with Yaz and Slater? Be still my heart.
This offseason better be more than AJ Pollack and the like.
And Haniger . . .
What? Joc has 2 WS rings, with Dogs in 2020 and then ATL in 2021 after he was with Cubs first. He said he likes it here in his second go round with Kap and would love to come back.
Manaea did whatever was asked, moved to pen/bulk innings guy before going back in rotation and lowered his ERA from 7.96 to 4.57 in process. Great guy, seems like total team player to me.
Conforto idk but he did sign 2 year deal and could stay if he likes. Don’t get the mercenary take; the options Z hands out usually incentives to get FAs to sign in first place. And all FAs only after $$ first and foremost, no?
Joc is eating his way to Pablo status. He’s mailing it in. Conforto is gone. Who cares? Manaea is gone as well. Wonderful to build a team around players that leave in a year.
And we keep Stripling and Haniger? Yay.
You’ve gotta be crazy to question Manaea’s effort.
He reminds me of Vogt, back in the pandemic year. Something about long suffering through the hell of the Oakland a’s inspires and steels exceptional characters to give it all, no matter where they are and no matter what the attendant distractions and disappointments. (See, e.g., Doolittle.) Chapman and Murphy are probably better for it in Atlanta now.
I have no problem with Manaea, he got hosed by not getting enough leash as a starter. My problem is how do you build a team around players that are here for a year?
Strider is my vote. 40 more Ks than Snell leading the majors and 19 wins also leading the majors (that used to mean something once)…Strider though with not a great 3.81 ERA but pitches in a hitter’s park and super hot and looks like got gassed last month of the season. Webb just did not seem dominant in his outings this year but very dependable, but dependable does not win Cy Youngs. Doval may be deserving of some votes. Leads the NL in saves playing for a .500 team…
Like what you said about Doval. Starting pitching across the league is pathetic compared to a half dozen years ago and particularly past decades. My point is that if the league has turned into an “Opener” type league, then closers should get more consideration for post season awards beyond the “Fireman of the Year” award.
Remember when it was the “Rolaids” award?
Webb should absolutely be in the Cy conversation, big time. I know Snell is leading the league in giving up walks, but he does have some pretty impressive #’s. He has 234 Ks and has only allowed 115 hits, thats a lot of missed bats (ha, and couple that with the walks, missed bats galore). Teams are hitting .181 against him and he has a 14-9 record on a team playing around .500.
NL Cy voting should be very tight this year, but Webb and Snell will both be getting votes as well as Strider and Gallen (if he gets to 18 wins).
Webb’s comments are somewhat vague, but telling about a losing tone or attitude in the clubhouse being allowed to fester. That’s on the field manager, AND on the FO, because the FO hired and manages the manager. Lots of momentum forming against Kapp, whether planned or not. If he’s fired and Farhan stays, I’ll see it as a scapegoat move for ownership to set up a smokescreen for the team’s real problem — lack of MLB talent…
Cy Young? Sure, Webb would be nice, but he’s not gonna get it. 6 inning starters is the norm.
Snell should get it with his 2.25 ERA.
https://theathletic.com/4893195/2023/09/24/giants-farhan-zaidi-red-sox-chaim-bloom/
Interesting column. Highlights:
“This Giants season, however, can not be viewed as a total failure. Twelve Giants made their major-league debuts, led by led by two 2020 draft picks, catcher Patrick Bailey and left-hander Kyle Harrison.”
“Still, much as some Giants fans might want both Zaidi and manager Gabe Kapler to go, replacing Zaidi, in particular, would require the franchise, to a degree, to start over. And the top free-agent executive, David Stearns, is off the board.”
“Find some big-time contributors, as opposed to the faceless automatons that occupy too many spots on the 26-man roster.”
“For much of the second half, the Giants used only two pitchers, Webb and Alex Cobb, as actual starters. The true roster churn, however, occurred among their hitters. The Giants have used only 21 pitchers, excluding position players who mopped up, tied with the Phillies for fewest in the majors.”
“Pederson is the team’s highest-paid player, yet essentially the same guy he has always been. A DH who cannot hit left-handed pitching.”
“This is a hard team to watch. At a time when attendance is up around the majors, the Giants are one of four clubs averaging fewer fans than last season. One of those teams, the Dodgers, almost shouldn’t count, because they still lead the league in attendance by a wide margin. The Giants, meanwhile, are down only 297 per game, and that slight decline is at least partly attributable to other factors. Parking around Oracle Park is prohibitively expensive for many. The in-person workforce in San Francisco is down markedly since the pandemic.”
Haniger is getting paid and he barely played.
Mariners may just miss the post season, but nobody up here says they missed the guy.
2 more years of him, oy.
I hope he’s not the Rowand Redux the next 2 years…
From the Athletic Webb article:
Outfielder Mike Yastrzemski, second baseman Thairo Estrada, and infielder Wilmer Flores are among those who sought to refocus a clubhouse that has included too many ho-hum reactions to losing, along with a near-zealotry to Pusoy, a Filipino card game that Joc Pederson and some other Giants players appear to find more compelling than studying the night’s opposing starting pitcher.
also
“To be honest, I’m frustrated all the time,” Webb said. “I’m always mad at myself for something. Maybe lately I’ve been a little more frustrated out there. I gave up a run and felt I let the team down. The boys came and picked me up. I knew going back out there, it was my turn to get their backs.
“That was a fun one.”
I dunno about the importance of the card game thing.
Since dirt, baseball clubhouses have been full of dudes playing cards.
Pedersen never plays against LHPs. What should we expect him and his platoon buds to be doing — a Faulkner reading circle?…
“a faulkner reading circle” LMFAO dude that is Joke of the Day
I can’t believe they’re playing cards in the clubhouse.
I thought cellphones and the internet ended that…
I’m disappointed by the simple meaning of pusóy in Tagalog.
loo, you aren’t on twitter but you’d be proud of me last night. Played in the $3 tourney and beat 138000 other players to win this:
https://x.com/1flapdown77/status/1706653614398451826?s=20
Wow,
That’s some cold, hard cabbage, my man.
Hope you’re celebratin’…
it’s nearly impossible to get a unique line up with that many people playing on just a 2 game slate. Then you need to pick every correct player. Yes, I am quite proud of myself.
Holy shit! I bow in your general direction.
I posted my congrats last night. Nice haul.
That is absolutely incredible!
Your instincts have amazed us here for years.
Maybe a little help from above?
Congratulations!
is anyone surprised that fatass Joc is more interested in playing cards? He’s never given a single shit about being in SF since he got here.
Last season Joc played hard. .874 OPS etc. He got a big one year fat ass DH contract from Z. He became a strangely literal version of what old people used to call a gold bricker. The pearls weren’t so funny this year. He did have a few notable comic moments on the field. But those don’t seem so funny now. Very dumb Z move.
i know multiple people who went to Paly with him. They said two things: he’s a complete dick and he hated the Giants when he was there.
Harry scratched, history buff Brebbia will open.
clean up on Aisle 3
“We have to make some big changes in here to create that winning culture…” That is a fairly strong statement coming from the leader of the pitching staff. Not just changes, but big changes. Didn’t much like the Moneyball film, but I did like the scene where Billy Beane hears dancing and laughing in the clubhouse after another loss and trashes the place (“That’s what losing sounds like”). And some players’ heads did roll after that…
glad he said it. Farhan and Kap get way too much love here. They have fucked this team to hell
Z lost me forever when all he did at the trading deadline was pick up Pollack. Why even bother, dude. Kap has lost me drip drip drip over time when I’m watching videos and I don’t even know who’s playing where out there. Who’s that at 1st? Oh it’s Davis, why isn’t he at 3rd?. Who’s that at 3rd? Oh, it’s the new guy Fitz who I thought was a CFer. Who’s that in left, Yaz? Why Yaz in left? So who’s in right? … on and on.
here’s what i don’t get about Mr. Analytics. MLB bent over backwards to make stealing bases almost a gimmie. Every team in the league has taken advantage of this. Except us. We are slow and we are weak. What type of team, exactly, is Z trying to build??????
Before the game starts: Walking home from the gym this afternoon, Air Force One flew in, just above my head (obviously headed for another landing at Moffett Field, google’s favorite airport). I pointed it out to a nearby ups driver delivering a package, a big Pacific Islander guy. He dropped the package and started taking phone pics. I guess Biden is balancing SV fund raising deals in the evening against his few steps on the UAW picket line in the morning. The ups driver was ecstatic. He thanked me profusely. What a fucking country.
Btw, given all recent developments, won’t it be a well deserved stick in the eye of every owner, every FO hotshot, and everyone on Kap’s crew including him, if Webb, as he should, receives the Willie Mac award now?
yes
We may have a stay of execution, Cubs RF misses flyout with 2 out, Braves score 2 to take 7-6 lead into the 9th.
Smoke smoke smoke that cigarette …
Cubs lose!
Tell St. Peter at the pearly gates I just hate to make him wait, but ….
Kuip again calls it. Luciano forgot the outs and didn’t go for a DP. Kuip was on it instantly the other night when Yaz made that mistake after catching a FB. It’s odd, how sharp Kuip still is about some things, as if he’s there making the play or taking the pitch, but how dazed he is in general.
The anecdote Kruk told about Kuip deliberately crashing into base runner mike Marshall to get an out at the expense of a broken collar bone was also terrific. These guys may be done, but they’ve been great.
Giants 2023: Pusoy galore.
that sounds great for the players but I’m not sure about what good it does us fans.
Fer gawd sakes. Fatima Blush would aim her Glock at your head.
Loo. I am not gonna lie. I watched those last 3-4 minutes, when I knew i had a chance, and I was just saying “Gary, give it to me my man let’s go I am seeing Christal Saturday and I want to give her a fat wad of hundos.” I was standing up, chanting that shit in the dark, out loud, to myself, with the game on.
When Tutu caught that td I fell down to the ground and started crying. I truly believe Gary had something to do with this. And then I had to fucking sweat the onside kick cause ANY point scored by any other player on either team and I would have dropped to like 2k. That’s how those tournies work they have extremely tight margins.
And yes, Christal is getting a fat wad of hundos when I see her at the memorial on Sat. And to all who contributed to the gofundme, I fucking love you guys. That meant the world to me.
And I thought a buddy who won $138 in his office pool after last night’s games was impressive. Holy shit, what a haul, congrats!
The link to your friend is beautiful. I have a jungian psychologist friend who would smile and say, of course.
thanks. And you just made me smile.
What tourney is that, Flav?
draftkings. Monday, as you know, had 2 games. So it was a 2 game tourney, $3 entry. I had 14 teams.
thx
Highway to Hjelle?
Last hurrah I suppose.
That 95-96 mph two seamer with movement is a good pitch. He may have a career yet.
A shock. No runs again. man this team is impossible to watch. We get a better draft pick if pads stay ahead of us:)
Wilmer, the Giants hitter with the best OPS and best OPS plus, by far, gets one meaningless AB with two outs in the ninth. The fuckers manage to make every bitter loss even worse.
What Webb said about how everyone acts in postgame clubhouse (not the other stuff) after an L is interesting, but imo off base.
Carrying the intensity of game with you has to wind down at some point and everyone handles that differently. For hitters especially, since failure is such bigger part of their existence, as 2/3 of the time at bat “fail” to get on base is what happens. You can’t wear will clark’s “nushcler” face 24/7.
It’s also odd coming from an SP who only has to bring his game face to yard 1 day out of every 5. fielding practice? BP or working with hitting coaches? Um, not a part of what he ever does. He gets to spend the other 4 games when he’s not pitching on the railing watching it all go by.
Not getting too up or down, and leaving game on the field at some point, is solid plan for how to handle 6 month long season. If that’s not how Webb rolls, fine. Gotta wonder if he raised his displeasure about others to Craw, another vet teammate, or Kap before this.
Well, Clark did it 24/7. And plenty of other players. Webb has every right to call that shit out. 11-13 with a 3.25 ERA? With any run support he’s 22-8. He’s giving his all while Joc is playing grab-ass and eating his way to obesity in the clubhouse? Fuck that.
From the Athletic:
It’s well established that Kapler seldom addresses groups. He prefers to communicate with players on an individual basis. He has held several private meetings in recent weeks with Yastrzemski and Wilmer Flores, who are viewed as two of the clubhouse’s primary leaders. But as Yastrzemski made clear Thursday night, the accountability still hasn’t happened and standards still haven’t been met.
“There’s so many guys in here that work so hard and to be continuously snakebit by little, stupid mistakes that are avoidable ….” Yastrzemski said. “We just need to hold each other to a higher standard and be accountable.”
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This pattern of fast starts and slow finishes is dogging Kapler once again.
Jesus. Wilbur looked like he rolled it to 2nd. He shouldn’t be playing 3rd.