Another W Turned Into an L
Well, that fell apart quickly. It was a beautiful day at the yard until Doval came into the game. I don’t follow closers at all but I’m assuming most of them don’t have a 1.63 WHIP. Strangely, he’s only got 2 blown saves. Assuming he’ll sort it out, he throws 100+.
Snell is maddening. He throws some pitches that just completely break down the hitter. But as usual he throws too many pitches. And now he’s hurt again.
Oh well, George would have loved that game, so there’s that…..
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how did you not lose your mind in that 9th??? If the Yankmes don’t make the World Series then they have no excuses this year. Giants beating up in Rockies and other weaklings va the bitch slap we just got probably both reflect who the Giants really are but they need to come away with a couple road series wins here this week…
@Paul–yes you are right nice call on Tommy Joseph, same guy Giants sent to Phils along with Nate the less than Great for Pence. Playing career ended 2017 per B/R
Maybe line drive from Matos that fell in front of judge in CF bought him a reprieve. If he can just show he can lay off unhittable pitches and get on base some, might be set up to start in RF next year alongside Ramos and Lee. But yikes, 8-52 over 2 weeks with 3 BBs no extra base hits. Season slash line has him below .600. Also outs above average on Baseball Savant had him rated #41 for CF at -2. Problem area was going to his left, big part of yard at O.
I think Brooks is first to go once Conforto is activated which is supposed to be soon as today. Slater comes back maybe Fitz becomes extra OF not needed and Matos and Wisely can stick around. But pitching has to be better on road trip. so far this season 12-17 on road -23 run differential in 29 games. Giants have allowed 155 runs on road, only 131 in 31 games at O.
Heliot Ramos ranked #10 in LF by outs above average. 90 percent success rate.
I don’t care what Matos or the other rookies are batting. Tired of the “back and forth” Greyhound bus to Sac for Matos and all the rookies. Particularly, when Yaz and Slater get numerous chances for years and years, e.g., approximately a month ago, Yaz went 4 for 32 or some such number . . . and then he got hot for a few games. Now, check where he is, 2 for 14 last 5 games.
Most importantly, you’re fooling yourself if you think the Giants are better than a .500 team. Yes, yes, that .500 record (or even lower) will get you into the playoffs in today’s game, but so what? They will likely get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
Let’s see if the rookies can play a full season up here. If they can’t, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM GETTING RID OF THEM THEN (and make sure Zaidi is gone too).
Completely agree. This team is going nowhere other than towards a .500 or so record, at best. Let these young players play and prove whether they can play or not. There is nothing these injured vets coming back will do to make this a more than a sneak in WC team that will go nowhere in the playoffs. That’s not horrible, but if that’s what we aspire to every year as fans, then we’re are paying a ton of attention for pffftttt baseball…
Matos and Ramos have been given around 80-85 at bats each. I have zero problem booting them after around 300-350 at bats, as long as they are more or less consecutive ABs/games. This BS where they are contemplating a demotion after less than a 100 ABs is not right imo.
Long-time Chronicle sports scribe Bruce Jenkins said this morning on KNBR that six years in, seeing how distant the Giants are from the level of a Yankees team, Farhan’s tenure is a “failure”. No stars brought in, no stars developed, no stars drafted. That’s going to get some run in the media…
He should have been on a plane with a 1-way ticket to wherever he lives (Philippines?), along with Kapler. I am disgusted with ownership.
Is it right or wrong to say that the greatest regular season (2021) in SF history was their downfall? It’s been kicked around a little here but not that much…
Nah, what stalled development of young guys was Covid year when none of them could play and Bart got rushed into action too soon. Matos and Luciano both got hurt and missed time afterwards as well.
It’s taken this long to replace Posey with Bailey and for projected young guys like Schmitt and Harrison and other pitchers to get closer to contributing. Zaidi staying away from expensive FA market for SS was not a mistake. He picked up Estrada Wade Jr. and now Chapman. OF still work in progress but Sabes couldn’t develop OFs either and focused on drafting pitching–what Z has done lately.
2021 led to two more years of Kapler and supercharged his platoon debacles. We learned all too well that low replacement level or below players can’t reliably do what the computer says they should do. (Nor can such a manager, I guess.)
The outlier of all outliers. It (and COVID) stagnated the progression of all the guys that are trying to make it now because the bore corps was re-upped, but for Posey’s retirement.
Not that we really had an answer at 1st, but certainly SS could have been Luciano’s a couple years ago. And we would have discovered what a defensive liability he was. Which would have led to a different draft strategy going forward. Who knows? In the words of Greggie “we’re here to break even.”
If they send down Matos, they’ve pretty much attached the horse to the casual fans who simply recognize familiar names in the lineup. But really, coming to the park to see Slater and Ahmed? Please.
THIS!
“. . . but certainly SS could have been Luciano’s a couple years ago. And we would have discovered what a defensive liability he was.”
Unca verbalized what I was thinking, but couldn’t put into words, insofar as knowing so, so much sooner about the competentcy of these “rookies.”
Luciano was hurt, like Matos. Neither of them couldn’t even play High A ball 2 years ago, let alone ML level. Luciano played 57 games in Eugene and hit .263. 2023 he hit .228 in AA ball before being promoted to AAA Sac. No way he was ML hitter or SS.
In 2022 Matos played 92 games for Eugene and hit .211. Year before he was in Low A ball at San Jose. NO way these guys were ready to play earlier and BC had nothing to do with it. You guys are delusional.
The Giants won 10 out of 12 and took series from Phils, best team in NL. Just find hate tiring. It’s a long season…enjoy baseball.
Who said anything about hate? Frustration? Sure. This last series with the Yankshowed that, even with our best pitchers going (Webb, Hicks, OTS), we are little more than speed bumps to the elite teams. Yeah we took 2 of 3 from the Phillies. Yay. But we dropped 3 to the Yanks. Beating up on Pittsburgh, Cincy, and the Rox is all well and good, but this team is what it is. A barely .500 team that has little in the way of stars and no electrifying propsects.
Yeah, if things go perfect, we can go on a nice run. Provided we are playing teams like Cincy. But seeing the Yanks driving the ball all over our yard and clowning around like it’s a fucking exhibition game with little resistance is pretty frustrating.
I’ve been to a couple games, and the crowds are pretty flat. Most of the reactions in the Dodger game I was at were due to LA doing something. Even though we beat them.
I guess the good news is that there are a LOT of shitty teams in the league right now.
This is the parity that Pete Rozelle used to love so much. Me? Not so much. It’s like Greggie has determined that since the Giants are soon to be the only game in town, he really doesn’t have to try too hard. Just keep them near the bottom of the playoffs and hint at moves that never happen.
The whole point is, in 6 years of Farhan, the farm system is about the same, and the team is about the same.
He should have been fired with Kapler last year, but he gets a re-do by the management. Why? Because he’s doing what they want. Keep the team mildly interesting without spending on big name players. Hope against hope in the draft that they can find something.
I guess. I mean, the farm seems to me to be horrible at getting players ready to play in the majors. Fitzpatrick is an error machine. Luciano is an error machine. Luis Gonzalez came up a couple years ago, and didn’t know how to play the outfield, which base to throw to, or how to run the bases. Dubon was a baserunning disaster.
Sooo many guys come up and look completely out of their element.
I don’t get the Covid excuse.
Covid didn’t just affect the Giants, it affected all teams and their farm systems. Pretty much the teams that were elite before Covid are still elite, and the mediocre ones, like the Giants, still are, too. The Dbacks had a mediocre record last season, but caught fire in the playoffs and parlayed that into a WS appearance. That’s what the Giants are left to now — hope to sneak into the playoffs and somehow go on an improbable run…
like 2014
That woeful farm system that Farhan inherited had Webb, Doval, Bart, Luciano, Matos and Ramos in it. Granted some of those guys were still teenagers, but still.
Seems to me Zaidi has been trying to make Swiss army knives out of players at the ML level, I’m calling it the Muncy syndrome. Look at Fitzpatrick, who they like for his speed, but he is trying to learn 5 or 6 positions at the ML level, hell I think he even pitched mop up this year. Sabol only caught in college, but we used a roster spot all last year so he could try to learn the position at the ML level. Having utility players is always a need, but having fringe guys learn all those positions at the ML level, I find odd.
and Ryan Walker, Sean Hjelle and Randy Rodriguez.
Good call, Xoot.
What pisses me off are all the errors on defense whether it’s the infield or tracking fly balls. I don’t even want to think about base running. When Bailey was hurt and until we picked up Caselli(sp) our catching was pretty much a joke. If we played with the basic fundamentals of the game and played clean ball even in losing it wouldn’t be so bad. I also think Z has had enough time.
Snell to the IL. Awaiting MRI.
What a disaster he’s been so far. I’m not holding my breath this dude will contribute much at all this season.
But, hoping he rights the ship in the 2nd half, as he supposedly is likely to do given his history…
Oooo that Snell, It’shardtoeatcornontheCobbwithnofuckingteeth, and Rachel Ray will likely contribute 0 wins to this season.
Yeah, COVID affected all the teams, but it sure vapor-locked the Giants.
That’s my point as far as the farm goes. Farhan’s 6 years of drafting has netted Bailey. Dirty Harry looks like a 3 at best in the rotation.
2 guys in that time frame is pretty abysmal.
conforto’s activated, as they say.
draftee Schmitt’s going to be at least an ok IF.
You have “tunnel vision” Willie, as you totally missed my point (@10:11am). I wasn’t specifying one or two players, but condemning the entire Giant’s farm system Zaidi is responsible for retooling/overhauling. My mea culpa is that I bought into that when it occurred, e.g., Zaidi firing most of the long time scouts, coaches, and managers and replacing them with “his people.” Yes, there have been some successes, but overall, I give the Giants farm system a D+ . . . No where as good as during the Sabean peak years, but that isn’t entirely fair to Zaidi either. Why? Simply because Sabean was a proponent of “reload and win now” philosophy, where he didn’t put all or most of his chips (faith, hopes) in the draft and farm system, due to Bonds being on the team early in Sabes time with the Giants. Yes, he changed a little after 2007, but that’s what was great about Sabean – he won with Bonds/reloading with a supporting cast; and he won afterwards, with the draft (Lincecum, Posey, Bumgarner, Crawford, Panik, Sandoval, Cain, etc.). Those 3 trophies didn’t just happen on his watch. He had a plan.
I digress though – like I said earlier, I thought Zaidi would be the answer; as he was super smart (Phd.); came with experience from excellent organizations (Bums, A’s) that had credited him as being instrumental in their growth; and, he was young. My bad. In fact, I have to give a nod to Bozo, whom I often disagreed with regarding the direction Zaidi was taking the team. I was wrong. Zaidi has been a disaster, although I suspect Greg Johnson and his father probably have a lot to do with Zaidi’s failure too. As Unca said, “In the words of Greggie “we’re here to break even.”
Greg J admitted his mistake in saying that and I no longer hold it against him. At same time he had no problem spending all the $ Giants did in off season for Chapman Lee Soler Ray and ultimately Snell too in attempt to improve team and make it more watchable.
I never saw the article or column where he admitted his mistake. Not doubting you though. He probably said this.
However, I like what Maya Angelou said about situations like this, i.e., she said, “. . . when people show you who they are, believe them.” Same deal with his racist, money grubbing dad, whom I think actually did the hiring of Zaidi. I dislike both of them and it is beyond the pale that they own the Giants in a liberal area like the Bay Area.
old man Johnson hasn’t made a baseball decision for at least a decade. I suspect he’s out of touch and outta sight due to dementia. His son in the same interview WillieD mentioned also sort of apologized for not being able to keep his half ass promise some years back to clean up the old man’s egregious political donations. (How hard would it be to give dark money privately to racist PACs instead? Bizarre stubbornness.) Johnson the younger also went on at length about the humanitarian donations his father’s people dispense–hospitals, etc. Who cares? He’s a normal billionaire Republican.
yeah. 2020 they drafted replacements for Posey and Longoria in Bailey and Schmitt. But they had nowhere to play with minors ball shut down. Sure it hurt everybody but no question it delayed development of these 2 plus Ramos Luciano and Matos by full season. Webb on other hand was with big club, learning the hard way and getting his ass handed to him.
Charlie’s old but he ain’t demented. Know a lot of folks at Franklin , and my wife worked there for 5 years before we were married, and he’s still sharp according to them.
Bullshit. He turned the company over to his daughter and others years ago.
And sounds like your inside gossip contacts may be gettin on in years, too. Ridiculous. Fucking Wikipedia refutes you.
Making the playoffs in this season where more than half the NL is under .500 is definitely a realistic goal. and the Giants should absolutely try and win every game they can rather than tank or trade off better players.
DBax of 2023 are Exhibit A: they barely even got in last year, whipped the Dodgers and then got all the way to WS, despite finishing regular season 16 games behind them. Dogs won 100, Braves 104 and neither one made it to the NLCS. Getting home playoff games is quite a revenue boost to any franchise, let alone WS.
The WNBA decided to really push Clark’s Indy team early, which makes sense, given how anonymous the league was before. But Indy has had to start the season with an insane schedule. They’ve played 11 games. The defending champs Las Vegas has played 6 or 7 games so far. Most teams 8 or 9. Indy has played five total games so far against the two teams in the finals last season. Indy hasn’t had a single game against the worst team in the league yet. The league wanted to capitalize on the attention it was getting. Clark has been a trooper. She’s built like Olive Oyl and is getting hammered physically by the other teams, but she keeps competing, and is putting up good numbers for a rookie. And she doesn’t get caught up in the jealousy of some of the other players in the league. It’s hard for them to accept that their league was so anonymous before Clark arrived. The WNBA regular season is only 40 games. Who knew?
My father as a kid played basketball barefoot on the dirt court outside the one room schoolhouse. The bball fan schoolmarm took their team to a tourney in the nearest city where their shoeless feet slipped on the wood and my father’s set shots clanked off a bracket larger than the one on the backboard back home. They struggled against the citified kids. Later in life, he enjoyed watching college basketball, esp KY, but he really got into it once tv began broadcasting women’s college games. He recognized the strategies and shot choices. He loved watching those women play.
Conforto activated, concurrent only with Snell to IL? so Melvin has extra hitter, no one else sent out yet?
Krukow pregame with the fucking arm slot explanation for Camilo’s failure yesterday. He’ll have a night off, no doubt, to realign that slot. It’s no fun being below .500 again.
Maybe Krukow and his “Arm Slot” should practice more at the casino’s in Reno 🎰🎰🎰
As Bozo/Loco stated above, “That woeful farm system that Farhan inherited had Webb, Doval, Bart, Luciano, Matos and Ramos in it.” Kinda pissed me off reading a recent Greggie interview where he bent way over to give himself a suck by defending Z as a savior who had to start all over after Sabes left. The guy is an asshat and this team will be stuck in neutral mediocrity as long as he and his Father AND Z are in charge. Someone needs to dig up some indefensible dirt on the Johnsons and blackmail them into obscurity. “Sell the team or else”. And you know with these clowns, there is dirt….. “The stink of the didey from the cradle to the grave….”….
They have many billions defending them against assaults. They aren’t afraid and they don’t care.
Why did Posey ever want to get involved with these asswipes, he has no say at all and is just a puppet.He might show a game face at times but I bet he’s burning inside..
Well that didn’t take long for Howard to give up a bomb and now a triple geez 🙄
And of course the Giants 6 up 6 down as usual..
The other owners hang on every word Posey offers, and he gets to participate in his investment’s operation.
Looks like Az is still taking batting practice. They are hitting Howard hard.
Maybe old man Johnson is like Howard Hughes, shuffling around his penthouse with his feet in empty Kleenex boxes.
however he’s living, no one wants him to appear in public.
Old seriously disabled people deserve compassion. The people who handle their biz affairs do not. That’s fiduciary duty one oh one.
Corbin Carrol hitting .192! WTH?
Charlie’s old but he’s not demented. He’s fine. Know a lot of people that work at Franklin templeton and know the family. I saw him last year at a friend’s birthday party and he’s ok for being 80 whatever.
we’re stuck l with this shit. They ain’t gonna sell. It’s a nice tax dodge.
he’s burnt. He left the biz long ago But it’s hilarious that we get this bougie wimp simp confession now, after all these years. “I saw him at a soirée. He looked ok, ar a distance. We all applauded.”
oh fuck off. Yer a closet fan of his
I’m sure.
look I realize that years at suburban stoner peninsula jc prepared you for a privileged life, but you’re still just a fool.
he’s 91 now, dimwit.
pffffffffffft
The way they were teeing off on Howard in the 2nd inning, I didn’t think I’d be seeing him in the 6th. Way to flip the switch.
Ramos goes deep.
Alright, Ramos ties it.
Heli-Ott!!!
The Belmont’s at Saratoga this year?
And next. And at a shorter distance. A travesty to the few that care…
I’ve been rooting for Ramos for a long time. Nice HR.
My boy Ramos Bombs Away to tie it 2nd deck!
Keith Hernandez speculating tonight about possible juiced balls again…
now that they know what they’re doing they juice and deaden at will. Wasn’t HR rate down thru May?
Idk Xoot, but I think that’s what he was implying…
things are happening fast these days
they seem hell bent on giving this tie up.
Jelly’s pick-off move looks like an arm injury waiting to happen…
or a 3 base error.
clean inning from Rogers. Be still my heart.
Looked safe.
I thought so too…
got soler on the helmet. Fuck
oh joy
Sigh.
And there you go another loss to start the road trip on a walkoff bomb!!
Wow. Can’t catch a break. If Soler safe Doval comes in. We win. Grr
I don’t know about that Mrsprtdude after Doval got lit up yesterday no guarantee he closes it out..
I don’t know why people say injuries are no excuse. They’re the best excuse…
wow. Just wow. 50 pitches in 2 innings, 4
walks a hit and 0’runs. There’s your Giants replay.
Dirty harry at 16