Losses Upon Losses
Didn’t see the game, was traveling back to the Bay Area. Box score indicates more of the same although we finally got Wizzy up here. That wreaks of desperation which, I suppose it’s time for. Melvin is a ghost. How can a ghost be reasonably expected to lead the living out of this deep hole we are in?
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The Cobra patches the Pirates are wearing are cool.
Verlander as stopper isn’t too likely is it?
Dull and boring is a bad look.
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Best thing about last night might have been clean inning with velo back up to 98 from Doval. In MCC column they quote Baggs as saying Mets really wanted to leave town with him. SD is only short flight away.
“There are a lot of teams around the league that need top flight relief help.” Baggs quote in MCC column by Marc Delucci where he said Will Sammon Mets beat writer was guy talking about their interest in Doval.
clearly an audition ninth. Think Doval knew that? Maybe he wants out.
pretty good piece from Baggs. I was a bit surprised to learn that Whiz’s fat ass father is an aerospace engineer. Maybe he tests load limits.
The bad farm is killing the Giants. Nobody of consequence in the field is in Sac except Eldridge, and he’s no guarantee. The AA Richmond team is crap. There is no cavalry coming soon…
Soon, no but they did promote couple good hitting OFs from A Ball in Eugene to AA Richmond. 23 year olds Scott Bandura and Bo Davidson. Both of them are LH OFs who lit up High A ball, so see what happens at next level, much harder more pitcher friendly league.
The Brebbia aisle is chock full of Bowkers.
the fuckers are somehow desultorily ubiquitous — it’s a stochastic plague, an infestation of mediocrity. How do you weed that farm?
Hit the gummies?
well, I meant weed in the you know pejorative sense.
The wasteland of position talent at the top two levels of your farm system is inexcusable for any MLB organization. Let alone one with the financial resources of the Giants. They should have a top 10 farm, not one ranked in the 20s…
I’m bummed. I really didn’t think this was a .500 team. A “let’s see what we’ve got” year, but not .500….
Fairly obvious, the Giants have experienced fluctuations in their starting rotation’s performance, with some pitchers struggling to go deep into games, leading to increased reliance on the bullpen (which seems to be running on fumes). The Giants lack the same pitching depth as teams like the Tampa Bay Rays, which makes it more difficult to manage their pitching staff.
This isn’t likely to get better, but worse as the season “trudges” on. Despite last night’s relatively high run total, the Giants remain 22nd in the league in runs scored. So, I wouldn’t count on the offense to rescue this team. They better win these last 2 games against the Pirates at home, because they’re on the road for 6 games after that with NY Mets and these same Pirates, which play much, much better at home (as I said last night).
Yeah I’m with you Paul , when they were 10 games over .500 and tied with the Dogpile I was pumped up that finally they could compete with those “ass wipe licking butt cracking Dodgers “
But Alas it was wishful thinking that they could hang for 162 games on pitching alone,with an offensive attack that still mystifies me (really believe their pretty loaded with talent can’t freaking hit) can’t do shit in any clutch situation for the bulk of the season, can’t run the bases cause their just stupid,goes for out saying can’t steal,head scratching errors from outfielders, infielders
I don’t understand how inept we have become in producing outfielders who can hit. It just isn’t Giants baseball. Don’t get me wrong I do love the small ball game but we don’t do very well at that either.
Well I guess you could say Heliot ended the decades of failure in that department. Not counting the guy they sent to Pittsburgh…
Yeah, I imagine you could sort of say that, and getting rid of that Pittsburg guy was just a terrible move.
Yeah that was Bryan Reynolds trade for McCutcheon ,simply horrible trade as Cutch didn’t even finish the season ending up with the Yanks.Ironic their playing together now and of course on cue it was McCutcheon who hit the GW HR last night! Cutch will always be a Pirate 🏴☠️ that’s his roots, really a solid career..
Loo,Yeah I’m fine with Ramos, he’s a butcher with the glove/bad routes, terrible going back on balls, better coming in, maybe improves over times?But his bat plays well for me, he can spray it around with good bat speed, he’s a keeper Chili Approved..
WillieD..Loo..I’m actually excited for a few outfielders down the line that have made quick jumps in the organization ..LH OF/ all 3 positions)Bo Davidson has swagger seen some film, great power, he’s taking the ball to all fields crazy ass OPS,Avg,arm strength, speed ( ok maybe I’m excited and hoping he’s not my next Jalin Davis) he’s rated #5 prospect.
Other Outfielders like LH OF Scott Bandura that Willed mentioned joins Davidson’s quick rise to AA..Also Dakota Jordan RH OF slugger I like his raw power maybe the best in their minors but needs to cut down his K’s
And I’m all out on Farhan’s Bust Player Hunter Bishop at AAA who at 27 now never got it going.Add him in a throw-in trade Posey u weren’t part of this guy any way..Cut Bait he’s just chum in the water!
Looking at game logs from late June, Giants went 1-7 after winning series with BoSox. Followed that up winning 6 of 7 before current misfortune. Still time to turn it around and right ship
Other than Doval have to keep rest of pitching. Vets Ray Webb Rogers still solid and younger guys R Rod Roupp and the Carson’s have lot of promise. Be surprised Posey sells any more of them.
The thing about Rmos is he’s just a dumb guy. Can’t run the bases for shit, has little situational awareness, and is a mediocre defender. Tolerable if he was jacking 30 and driving in 90 but he ain’t gonna see that till the middle of next season.
he’s not dumb. He’s stubborn and arrogant. Fitzfuckup has the same flaws. They’re hard to train. Fitz I don’t much care about. Ramos has great potential, though. Some discipline needs to descend to him from in high. And some coaching needs to get intense.
Fitz is a huge under the radar disappointment, who’s avoided the criticism cause the focus is on the big $ guys…
would have thought by now he’d benefited more from being around Flores or Adames. maybe learning curve a little higher.
If they trade anyone, it’s gonna be low to mid-level guys. Like the Canario guy they traded for Bryant. For some kind of rental.
Could be. Rentals just make zero sense to me. Have to have players with more control so Posey doesn’t have to do as much in off season. Ray only has 1 year left on his deal.
Hey, they signed Schmidt and he was a rental.
Tyler Rodgers’ trade value will never be higher…
Well believe are not Doval’s value will be on the rise good for the Giants more for the Flappers now that Clase of Cleveland is being investigated in a gambling probe.No team will want to go after him not knowing if he’s pitching later this season are next at all??
So teams like the Mets and other contenders should be rolling the dice( no pun intended)and the Giants should be looking hard at all teams offers looking for a closer..
Hard to believe Cutch was here 7 years ago. And he looked like toast back then.
They should have moved him to LF, he had so much trouble in RF. He did put up some good numbers compared to the rest of the team that year.
Seriously doubt Buster will trade anyone for a rental. Maybe next year, the team will be *one player away* at the deadline, when a rental could put them over the top, but man, not this year. I don’t even know how many *players away* this team is at this point.
Looked at this 7 ways from Sunday and I have to agree with Paul . . . partially, at least. The only type of trade I see is one that improves our minor league system (a prospect or gaggle of prospects); and/or, one where he gets an early start on dumping salary, e.g., Yaz, Ray (whom is 33), Verlander, etc. To me it is border line delusional seeing us trying to “improve” this team for an August-September run for a Wild Card.
Frankly, I am not excited by this team at all. Devers, Adames, Lee and Chapman are the core, right? All of them have left a sour taste in my mouth for extended periods this season. The inconsistency of this team is maddening.
One other thing – do NOT trade Doval unless we get equal or better value. This is the correct time to trade him, as there will be many teams looking for a reliever to push them over the top. Doval may be a head case, but he is still an outstanding commodity. Hoping Buster gets better than equal value for him.
Ramos didn’t hear the IFly call? Or know the rule? Holy shit.
after he stole second I told my son, let’s see if he can get to third. What a stupid mistake. The pirates seemed to expect such a gaffe, too.
Xoot, I’m not sure stubborn covers that.
agree
Ask him how many hot dogs his dad ate….
It’s funny comments just saying how dumb Ramos is and a few minutes later we find out that a MAJOR LEAGUER doesn’t know what the infield fly rule easy!!!
Who’s Gaylord Perry?
I just tuned in – Seriously Loo? Whisenhunt didn’t know who Perry was?
Can’t be sure, but I suspect he didn’t…
My vote is for getting players that make us better now.
When you have a shot at it, you gotta go for it.
Melvin should bench Ramos tonight as soon as the pirate lefty is out of the game.
can’t afford to be overly principled …
can’t afford not to. The IF fly rule. The CF makes the call in LCF.
Ha, I meant the expedience of waiting to pull him post-lefty instead of yanking him immediately.
oh.
Not sure we’ve ever had a tsunami alert during a game before.
Disappointing that Bart didn’t get a chance to try to pick off Ramos.
It’s still early.
Yeah an 8.7 tsunami 🌊 is much more powerful then are Giants offense!
And of course the 2 walk offense ( still no hits) turns into the usual DP ending by Devers..
is this the inevitable no hitter ?
it’s gonna happen
Nice jinx.
free Willy.
Adames got all of that.
Hah! If they did well every time I talked shit, they’d have
won 5 in 8.
Adames says no jinx tonight,a loud bomb for the lead!
then again we’re prolly done scoring
man, I’m with sandawg. Cut off that whole fucking triples alley.
this shit is ridic.
Nice defensive plays by Matos and Reynolds this game.
Only SF drops and traps balls on those diving attempts.
Devers has a small Variation of Joe Morgan’s chicken wing AB’s..
Comatose offense – 2 hits after 7 innings.
Met fans complaining on radio about having to stay up late for west coast games. Jerkoffs…
They can go to bed now.
We need the fans to start the (tsunami) “wave” to get the bats going.
Loony toons defense
That’s a new one.
Pham would be a classic Giant pick up. Like Xavier Nady…
The hole Bart found was about 60 feet wide…
On his previous hit to RF, Schmitt was also pulled way over towards the middle. How much coverage do you need there?
It will be ironic if ‘Cutch and Bart have the key game winning hits yesterday and tonight. Reynolds tomorrow night for the “trifecta?”
God that was stupidly funny how that played ended, Rogers looking at 2nd base and the throw hit the Pirates runner..,
And of course the Rodgers weird shit continues now 3-1 Ballgame with are bats right now..
Loo u just lost some leverage on your Rodgers trade value .But seriously there not trading him with his rubber arm and really tough to hit but those dribbler hits he allows..
Let’s top the evening off with an empty Devers solo bomb before the 3-2 loss is sealed.
I’m not sure that the 100-loss team in 1985 played this badly for so long. I don’t see how it could have been worse than this stretch. Horrendous. I’m happy for Bart — getting the winning hit. Giants royally screwed him over, he has to be happy about it…
Devers is well on his way to joining the legendary Beltran, but likely without the 900 OPS.
From the ridiculous to the sublime. Giants are perfect turds afield.
I’m now actively rooting for them to crater into oblivion to force Posey and whoever is telling him what to do to trash this entire lineup and start over during the offseason…
Oh, and trash this coaching staff goes without saying…
Yes indeed the heart of the order and 2K’s a groundout now at .500 and fading fast..
So many issues. Devers SUCKS. Ramos DUMB. Rogers unlucky. 5 straight weak ass grounders and lame defense cost 2 runs. Chappy swinging at a pitch a foot outside. taking timeout and swing at another 2 feet out was fitting end.
Three weeks ago tonight Bailey hit the thrilling walkoff inside-the-park HR, now 3-12 since then. Losing first 2 at home to Pirates might be rock bottom, but there’s always tomorrow.
Snark Buster can’t trash the lineup. Ramos yes but everyone else is very overpaid right now. Who would trade for any of our position players?
A little hyperbole at this point of the train wreck makes me feel good. They can’t trash the entire LU, yes. But. They CAN make major changes, starting before this trade deadline. SELL, SELL, SELL. And, they can get new field management in here. I think we are seeing a Melvin redux from his Padre gig.
Somewhere — Gabe Kappler is laughing…
So, what do we blame this loss on? Bad luck? Yaz not playing? Zaidi?
To me I will continue to blame Pat Burrell he just sucks donkey balls as a hitting coach, last year and this year stats on the hitters just stink under him!For the morale of a beaten down hitting team , they need to let him go..
Now the Giants are dead last 30th against LH pitchers at .215!!!! Gawd Almighty just another reason to give Burrell the Boot 🥾
.500. I’m glad I guess that it’s over.
There were actually 3 bad decisions on that ridiculous play in the 8th. Schmitt should have made the throw to second, Devers should have been at first, and Rogers shouldn’t have assumed.
Sheesh . . . Just think if Skenes had played in this series (by the by, we wont face him next week in Pittsburgh either).
At least Verlander didn’t take another loss. He didn’t deserve one…
Well, it ain’t like we can score negative runs. Couldn’t get much worse than what we just saw.
wonder if the tsunami will destroy boats in the Santa Cruz harbor again.
Maybe the 3 WS trophies need to be stored away again. I hope Posey doesn’t sacrifice Melvin on the phony altar of clubhouse culture.
as it is, last time I stopped by to see them it felt like visiting a family plot in a cemetery.
Man, glad I ain’t really paying attention. Fucking snooze-fest. And they lost to a guy named Falter.
As many of you have said, whatever talent that is on the farm is 3 years away. At least.
Farhan’s drafts have been fairly bad, and we got Eldridge and the Whizz. Buster’s guys are looking at 2028.
Buster is really in a no-win situation. Throwing the towel in halfway through his first season isn’t a good look. But hanging on to this team, the coaches, and the absolute garbage trotted out there every day just can’t stand.
Not sure what happens but I don’t see much in the way of anything big. Hello AJ Pollack.
But they HAVE to at least do the honors of getting rid of Burrell. Watching these guys swing at absolute garbage day after day after day warrants a change. Even if it doesn’t mean jack shit.
If this stinkaroo stretch happens in NY or Philly or Boston, maybe Chicago, heads would roll and people get traded, no question.
Not very motivated to drag myself out to Citifield this weekend…
I’d been eyeing tickets for tomorrow’s game over the weekend. The probability of that purchase dropped from 10% last night to zero tonight.
Fuck. They’re showing all the highlights of those exciting comebacks way back in the mists of April. What happened?
Devers maybe could have saved the game if he would have ducked instead of blocking everyone’s sightlines on that botched play. He just stood there like a doofus, messing everything up.
There’s something metaphorical about the game being played as a tsunami approaches.
Brink is back playing in the WNBA after recovering from a devastating knee injury 13 months ago. A pundit called her the sexiest player in the WNBA. Maybe or maybe not. She does get a lot of endorsement deals. Of the top five players getting endorsement deals, four of them are white. I’m not sure what that says about advertising strategy.
You’re not sure?
I guess I just don’t understand the advertising industry in general. Most commercials actually turn me off of the products they’re advertising.
but it says something. Just as the contrived upper middle class interracial harmonies of the bmo ads say something . Wonder what it could be.
I just had to watch the Ramos gurf and the 8th inning shit-show.
What fun!
Nothing like having a guy learn a position on the fly on a defensively challenged team.
I’m not impressed with the team’s cumulative baseball iQ. Seems low to me.
Melvin speaks and I get sleepy. He should make a recording for people suffering from insomnia.
I’ve been reading about Napoleon. He reminds me of somebody.
does Hegel factor in?
from a Slusser tweet today :
Heliot Ramos: “I’m overdoing it, over-thinking it. It’s something I have to fix myself. I feel like we’re playing good ball and hitting good, it’s the mental errors that can’t happen.”
like imagining that the team is hitting well and playing good ball?
maybe focus on what’s actually happening instead? The guy’s proudly uncoachable. .
From @codifybaseball.bsky.social, which rarely disappoints:
Runs Scored Since Devers Was Traded To SF:
209 TOR
198 MIL
194 BAL
182 NYY
181 TEX
180 SEA
179 LAA
177 BOS
175 CHC
174 DET
171 HOU
167 MIA
165 ARI TB
163 WSH
162 ATH PHI
161 LAD
159 CWS
156 CIN
155 KC MIN STL
153 ATL
149 CLE
145 NYM
143 COL
142 SD
135 PIT
133 SF
whoa. Pads behind Rox, yet still winning after smoking Mets again last night.
Ramos should read Johnathan Livingston Seagull.
Juan Salvador Gaviota ? Bullshit. Bench him as Bochy benched Pablo.
Austin Slater to Yanks…
They need to find Pancho and Lefty.
Not to pick at nits, but somebody really needs to tell Ramos to stop doing that stoopid bat flip when he thinks he got ball 4 but he actually looked at strike 3. He looks like an idiot when he does that. Ok, nit picked.
Fans calling into KNBR this morning and unloading big time on Giants. It is the season of airing grievances…
thanks for this post Chuck. Phew, Brilliant TVZ! I only discovered him a few years ago.
Up there with JJ Cale as a great songwriter who tried like hell to stay in the background.
fwiw .. probably not a whole helluva lot ..
Reflecting on the G’s offensive woes, especially the haunting RISP numbers, the situational hitting issues, and all that crap, I recalled reading some years ago, an interview with Bochy saying OPS was the stat he used to assess a players offensive acumen, not BA. With that, and keeping in mind .717 is 2025’s league average mark, I checked MLB’s OPS leaderboard:
#29. Devers .839
#44. Chapman .864
#75. Ramos .768
#89. Adames .740
#107 Lee .717
#125 Flores .692
#131 Yaz .685
Sheesh .. 5 of 9 guys we trot out everyday are hitting league average and above, 7of9 are within decent range. These are not bad numbers .. WTF!?!? Why is this team struggling so offensively (no pun intended .. I think)?
A caller on KNBR said he’d had an opportunity recently to speak with a coach from an opposing team and asked a general question about hitting coaches. The coach responded that most players these days pay little attention to the hitting coaches as they are completely engaged and enthralled by the analyses information they glean from their iPads after every at bat.
mm, interesting /not surprising. Padres have scored almost exact same amount of runs as Giants (and hit 10 less HRs), but their pitching is now tops NL for fewest runs against, up there with MIL and NY. Giants have fallen to 6th.
typo in my list: Chapman .804 NOT .864
Devers OPS with the Giants is 702. They’ve gotten nothing from the bench and Bailey has yet to crack 600. They are scoring pretty much in line with the collective team OPS. The RISP stat is just a distraction from the fundamental issue. You can’t build a team with below average or average offense and expect to compensate for it by being “clutch.” A team might get lucky for a stretch with good RISP stats that exceed their talent level, but that’s all it is – luck.
I think the OPS number Devers showed up here with was .905 … too lazy to fact check but that’s the number I remember (it was striking). That’s an over 200 point drop off .. whew, I understand changing teams is tough on these guys .. but Wow!
Even Kruk n kuip notice him being late on FBs. Looking soft stuff maybe but with the expanded inter league crossover you’d think there’d be less of a transition issue.
There are glaringly obvious things this team collectively does not do. Mainly, have a 2-strike approach.
If you are Barry Bonds, you don’t particularly need to adjust too much. But to see guys swinging for the fences on a 1-2 count with runners in scoring position is just infuriating.
Chappie is a prime example. He plays hero ball ALL THE TIME. Last night was a prime example. 2-1 count and he whiffs by a foot on two pitches in the dirt. He, along with just about everyone else, does that all the time. Adames seems to have the best approach. He’s the most consistent anyway.
Those stats are all great, but it doesn’t take into account the failure rate with RISP.
I know clutch hitters don’t exist, but our failure rate these days is noteworthy. Early in the season we did a much better job of this for whatever reason.
I guess we are averaging out.