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Listen to this idiot. Our manager is bummed we have to take the field again tomorrow.
BOB MELVIN: "We take the field every day in good spirits, and gotta do it again the next day unfortunately." pic.twitter.com/g5fNrFvNj7
— KNBR (@KNBR) August 16, 2025
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inspirational! Fiery leaders are overrated. Let’s aim for achievable goals. Let’s set a record for most mlb home losses in a two month stretch. We can do that. Hell, maybe we can get swept in San Diego next week, too!
Apparently Melvin was sick from school day teacher recited Teddy Roosevelt’s inspirational quotes.
But there is a point of no return. This team is spiritless, sloppy and devoid of energy or intelligent baseball IQ on a consistent night-in, night-out basis. You don’t play .500 baseball let alone reach playoffs when you “mail it in” couple games each week.
Whose ultimately responsible? The players and front office which constructed roster. But does manager escape blame? Absolutely not. Melvin appears to be decent, player oriented manager but for whatever reason clubhouse has tuned out him and handful of head scratching coaches.
I don’t believe Posey will act in-season. It’s not his style. But barring a 1951 type mid-August to end-of-September finish Posey must act decisively within 48 hours of end of season and jettison Melvin and most if not entire coaching staff.
Will this pave the way for success in 2026? No. Posey & Minasian must continue to overhaul everyday lineup, replenish starting pitching and strengthen bullpen. This team has too many weak links. But the dismissals of Melvin and coaches will send signal Posey means business and that he won’t countenance continued inept play.
i don’t think he’ll get fired mid season either. It was totally fucked up the way that pussy Zaidi fired Kap with 3 games to go.
Look, I admit it, I was someone who got romantic about Posey re-creating the Hum baby attitude that I thought we missed. But that shit is in the past man. That was the 80’s. Baseball isn’t played that way anymore.
Maybe Melvin’s ghost-like presence works in certain situations. It simply does not work when you’re getting wiped out night after night.
Good news is that Posey’s not reticent to take forceful action. Last September he stepped into Chapman negotiations and closed deal while Zaidi watched. Whether 6-year contract extension was smart baseball decision is another question altogether.
Posey also clearly had direct discussions with senior management in Aug/Sept of ‘25 and made clear he was ready to become President of Baseball Operations while Zaidi was left twisting in wind pondering his fate.
He needs to take forceful action yet again as soon as Oracle dims its lights on another lost season.
Then again Mets keep floundering and Reds and Cards look beatable so could there be one more run in Giants in ‘25? After I have some caffeine I’ll return to reality.
managers sometimes quit mid season. Ron Washington and Ryne Sandberg did. Just admit it’s fucked up and will only get worse if you don’t. But that probably won’t happen here.
Yeah, it does sound like he’s done here and he’s ok with it.
He sounds like Dizzy Dean who as an announcer once signed off by saying “Don’t fail to miss tomorrow night’s broadcast”…
Melvin is living proof that brain failure doesn’t lead to death. Trying to like this boring ass, moron, is like trying to slam a revolving door . . . However, he’s not the problem (only a symptom).
Our problem is the roster. The entire roster. How many fucking times have we seen the 8th inning “Deja Vu” situation or a similar version of it, as we did last night? Let’s recap for those whom have forgotten – bases loaded, no outs . . . and NO RUNS. Holy shit! This seems to happen at least weekly, if not more frequently.
Again – Melvin is the symptom . . . Our players are the “disease.”
we’ve got a 200 million dollar payroll— a payroll mostly put together by Posey. Where does he fall on your list of culprits?
Flav, I still like Posey a lot. He’s responsible for building the roster – giving Melvin the players to have a decent shot at winning games. He hasn’t shirked that responsibility. Unfortunately, many of the players whom have joined the roster, haven’t performed as well as anticipated. I am fairly confident that he will fine tune the roster next season.
Posey’s other major responsibility is ensuring that the team has a competent manager. I have no doubt Buster will get rid of Melvin before next season starts. It could happen this season, once Buster realizes that the post season is a pipe dream.
Hope Schmitt’s OK and Roupp can get back on track. Missed this one (followed mlb through blown leads arggh). Watched more episodes of Netflix “Receivers” from 2023–Adams, Deebo, Kittle, JJ Jefferson, St. Brown–good family and insight stuff even though we know how that one ended, ugh. I guess we know how this will end too, around .500 with more questions than answers.
R Rod last outing was 8/6…tough to find ops to get him in game lately I guess. whoinell is Chandler Simpson, and how to Rays continue to find guys like him?
he has the oddest way of finishing his sprint to 1B. He flies at the end of the run.
I bought tix to see them play in September, unfortunately.
lol I bought 4 seats for the season finale–spent $168 each LMFAO. That was a month ago. Kinda wish I had that to do over
Have a good time, but remember,
There is danger in the summer moon above…
See You In September .. nice one Loo!
Even Alyssa Nakken bailed on the Giants taking her new born baby to Cleveland to work for Guardians player development dept knowing the Giants have no clue developing players! Also working again with the Freaking Manager the Giants should of hired” STEVEN VOGT” ,but Posey played it safe thinking old guard is better being green himself at GM failed miserably.Vogt still connects with players just a few years removed from the game,no body gives 2 cents for Melvin and his stupid ass shrugs “ tomorrow is another day to come out and show we can compete “ this guy along with Burrell,Williams are just their for the checks and nothing else!!
Thanks for that, Kat.
I wondered what happened to her.
What Melvin just said was stupid and indicative of the problem and is definitely a fireable offense. Dude has given up. Posey can’t allow that. “After the season” is still a month and a half away. I’ll be surprised if Melvin isn’t gone within 24 hours.
After the Giants predictably blew this season’s umpteenth bases loaded no outs opportunity last night in the bottom 8th, I quit on the game, figuring I’d seen this crap before and they’d find a way to lose the game. Of course they did. What are they now at home, 7 and 20 over the last 27? Doesn’t really matter anymore, the stench has been set of losing in every way imaginable and apparent acceptance of laughably bad, idiotic, brain dead play. Slusser said the other day on KNBR that the vibe in the clubhouse was, quote, “bad”, meaning defeatist as I understood her. Nobody seems to want to change any approaches to get a win, to shake things up, change the vibe. Try some steals, a double steal, a hit and run. Phuck the stats and try a bunt with the bases loaded with no outs or one out. Everybody try to go oppo field at every AB. Something. Anything. Anything but the losing SOS. Objectively, this is the worst performing team in the league since the AS break, maybe since the Devers trade. A laughingstock. Now this — Melvin says something in public so stupid, so white flag, regardless whether he actually meant it (seemed like it) or it came out wrong, that it just adds a weirdly appropriate coup de gras to this death spiral…
I heard Melvin say that Live in the post-game presser. I couldn’t believe what I’d heard and wound it back to be sure. Wow, what a stunner!
I turned it off after the 8th too. The only good news for me is now I expect them to not score. Helps me keep my blood pressure down:)
Tough to figure out exactly but all season they have failed with bases loaded and no outs. Lowest BA in those situations in history? Has to be close. Inability to even get a sac fly is unreal. Literally every time we get 2 on I root against a walk. I KNOW they won’t score and I’m almost always right.
precisely my experience Dude.
I checked StubHub for the helluvit.
This morning, people are still buying Club Level seats for all-in prices like $134, $118 and quite a few such CL seats still asking well north of $100. For four, when you drop in beers and garlic fries and parking, that’s easily over $600 to see this POS squad play Tampa. Tampa. Maybe they WANT to see Tampa? Maybe mid afternoon the prices dip down well below $100. I don’t know what it will take for people to stop paying a lot of money to see abject failure and going through the motions as just admitted in public by Melvin. Maybe to a lot of folks going to Oracle is just something to do, be outside, see or be seen — regardless of the baseball — Giants win or lose and playing boring ass ball is unimportant. Or, maybe when school starts again shortly, demand will go down. If there are still a good amount of butts in seats buying fries and crab sangies, then I guess there’s little incentive for ownership/management to work, change and get creative to make the team stop being crap…
The Giants stats with the bases loaded this year:
BA: 256
OPS: 786
They are still tied for 6th in sacrifice flies at 35, two above the league average.
Sadly, in the middle of the most bizarre, disappointing run of games that I can recall, even the petty pleasure of sharing contrarian stats is absent.
what the hell is going on then, James? The numbers say one thing but we all witness another .. !?!?
could it be all those clutch hits and come from behind wins early season skewered numbers?
Probably not. When the team has trouble scoring runs at all, the failures in big situations become more acute and painful to watch, making it seem like that’s why the offense is so pitiful. The bland reality is captured in that terrible 683 team OPS.
sorry, I’m a bit slow ..
.683OPS ..?
above you wrote .786OPS .. which is surprisingly good. I’m confused, .683 or.786, which is it?
ok, I understand now. Devil is in the details .. .786OPS is with bases loaded. .683 is overall OPS
I’m sure it’s been said, but Bomel sounds like a geriatric laxative.
Why would we play a day game on a Saturday? No, the schedulers want me to stay up again until after 1AM ruining my liver and watching these guys.
The stat that counts is Giants have lost 14 of their last 15 HOME games. Everything else is details.
That is the worst HOME performance for the Giants in a comparable number of games since 1901. That’s the worst in 125 years. That’s 1 1/4 CENTURIES = Historically Horrible…
BB, I frequently use statistics to prove a point. Frequently, I am so convinced of my opinion, that I will manipulate the statistics to make my point. I often forget to remember these 2 quotes:
The most famous quote about the manipulation of numbers is, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” While this phrase is widely attributed to Mark Twain, he himself gave credit to British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli. The quote highlights the persuasive power of statistics and how they can be used to support weak or misleading arguments.
Another well-known quote that speaks to the misuse of numbers is “He uses statistics as a drunken man uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination.” This quote, often attributed to Scottish poet and novelist Andrew Lang, suggests that people often use data to bolster a pre-existing argument, rather than to genuinely seek out the truth.
Great stuff Blade, and thank you! I love baseball stats. I don’t delve as deep as some flappers but I do love to look at the numbers. I don’t always understand what I’m looking at, especially with all the new metrics. I’m getting old and cannot retain stuff like I used to. For the life of me, I can’t keep of all the abbreviations.
I can relate.
ICR⬆️
Another stat that is meaningful.
Devers was acquired on June 15. Including the game that day, through yesterday, i.e., games #82 through #122, the Giants have lost 33 of their last 50 games. Thats a .340 winning clip — so they’ve effectively lost 2 of every 3 games played since the Devers trade…
If they keep around a .340 pace the rest of the way, that’s a 75-76 win season.
A new stat is born: TWAT (Team Wins After Trade)
Giants current TWAT: 17
Correction, that’s game #72 through game #122, that’s the 50 game look back that gives the “TWAT” of 17.
Diaz multi color bat looks like ones I just saw in LLWS. Even at 12 years old hitting baseball is hard.
series of tweets about Heliot’s swing problems.
https://x.com/baseballjeff1/status/1956843387040182303?s=46&t=k0FDC_rVBvlG86Y-OHTiNQ
Heliot’s a keeper, but a mess in many ways…
I don’t think launch angle explains his horrible ABs tonight. But he does seem to be focused in the field. Mixed up guy.
Verlander probably threw up when he saw the bottom 4 in the Giants lineup card…
verlander’s giving us a solid veteran effort tonight. May unravel, but so far it’s a joy to see good baseball from someone on the team.
Willie, do you recall using multicolored tape or cloth tape for both aesthetics and functional reasons in the 60s? It was really popular for a few years. Us kids would wrap our bats for a better grip (no one was wearing batting gloves back then). We would also use tape for minor hairline cracks, where we hoped we could get a few more swings out of a favorite bat. Lastly, we would do it for aesthetic decorative purposes too.
Yeah those looked cool.
No clue wtf Ramos was swinging at on that inning ending SO. More zero RISP results.
Koss getting one in.
Good for Koss. Made the early error but consecutive 2 hit games with an RBI.
JV 7 strong.
Very impressive. None of Ray’s hit ball as hard as Lee did. 0 BBs 9Ks.
These games are way too fast and aren’t killing enough time for me…
All undone by Butthead.
Devers & Butthead?
well. Butto blew that. Suddenly couldn’t throw a strike to the guy at the bottom of the order. Hit him instead. Jeezus.
Giants Pen crapping out for Verlander again. Too bad, his best effort of the season. For the umpteenth, Giants almost always have no margin for error…
Groundhog Day (Giants version).
Devers & Adames — the K Bros….
Wow, Devers channeling Belt with the cross diamond throw !
How many times have we seen this game before? 40? 60?
Fitzgerald needs to crank a homer, else he’ll K like usual…
K’s right on cue. Why is he even up?
Both Koss and Fitz clueless – totally fooled on pitches out of the strike zone. Sheesh, hard to believe that Fitz had the world by the short hairs, where he could do NO wrong. Empty fucking shell of that player.
what a half ass team.
3 pathetic swinging Ks to highlight the bottom 9th. Li’s leadoff hit and steal wasted, like Verlander’s start.
Absolutely, unalterably, consistently pathetic offense. I fear overusing that word, but it’s appropriate.
Now 15 losses in the last 16 home games. The march to merde continues…
1-15 in past 16 games at Oracle. If Giants had simply gone 8-8 and split past 16 games, they’d be 1 game ahead of Mets and holding final wild card berth.
I guess road teams have no issues with the dimensions of Oracle. I think it might already be in Devers’ head. TWAT remains at 17…
Went to the game
Hoping for a win…
They do 1 run run, they do 1 run
There’s just no ‘splainin’
The mess they’re in…
They do 1 run run, they do 1 run….
brilliant, thank you!
Outstanding Paul!
Unreal how we are SO bad!
“Pathetic” visualized…
Rays won game with 3 singles from top of order. Giants top 3 are more free swinging K/power hitters
As Lex24 in MCC pointed out, need more contact guys with speed to balance out order. Lee and Koss were only ones with 2 hits and Dom (rough time with home plate ump) does this too. Posey top 2 picks in draft were hitters more known for contact than HRs. Maybe that’s what he’ll be looking for more of in off season. As for Fitz and McCray…
fitz had pop last year. He’s an overswing and miss guy now. Injury? wtf knows. But he’s a liability.
I’m afraid they’d need to do a lot more than balance out Chapman, Adames, Devers, and Ramos at their current numbers. By the time Posey’s contact wizards possibly join Lee, what the no trade clause brigade is doing now might be the best it can muster. CAD has to do better next year or it’s going to be ugly again.
CADRE. Plus Every position player other than Lee and Smith.
Does Raffi have a ntc? Don’t think so. I’m sure he’ll be easy to unload. lol.
No, he doesn’t, “brigade” just sounded good with “trade.”
tyranny of form.
Smith is like Kevin Pillar in 2019. When a player like that becomes the popular exemplar that everyone else on the team is supposed to model themselves on, you don’t need any other indicators to know the team is a loser.
but Smith is cool. Much more fun to watch.
Yeah, I’m happy when he’s at the plate and at first. Just wish he was the nice side story he was meant to be.
exactly
also wish the pen was still strong enough to finish off seven excellent SO innings from an old guy who refuses to quit. But….
Does it really matter if Posey feels he’s adding contact hitters for the future?They can’t get hitters now that constantly make contact!
It’s obviously not working at Sac and throughout the system the averages say it all nobody can hit decent , so the coaching throughout the organization has to be overhauled along with the big league club for sure.
Much easier said than done, Kat. Organizational inertia is even stronger when there are only so many viable replacement candidates.
So as a fan, you would prefer the lowest possible OI:VRC ratio…
And even more so as a numbers guy, for that easy at a glance understanding of the situation.
well we have the contact maven Venezuelan Rodriguez dinking away at Sac. Big steal from the yanks, right?
I would hope so Xoot, there best hitting catcher Rodriguez rotting away in Sac is just added frustration,he’s not even a callup candidate without some moves made, I just don’t get that?He’s easily a upgrade over Kinzer.Giants continue keeping players like Launch 🚀 Seymour,Beck and others on the 26 man roster is a joke..
I’m not sure he’s really a catcher. Looks like they don’t know where to put him.
This. Not sure but I think he’s mostly been a DH.
And then we have are backup outfielders Gilbert hitting .056 and McCray hitting .100 doesn’t inspire confidence.Hell you might as well callup Luciano he does lead the organization with 20 HR’s , yeah probably a butcher in the field but who care anymore..
I’d give Gilbert way more playing time. See what he can do and not do. Less than 20 ABs is nothing. McCray is a pretty well known quantity. He’s a K machine at the big league level, and it looks like that’s not going to change unless some light bulb goes off with him— in other words, the usual Giants lackluster, flawed farmhand outfielder …
Yup, the usual Giants LFFO…
On KNBR right now, Kerry Crowley and some other guy are letting loose with all the criticisms and reality checks of the Giants organization we always are talking about here. What a breath of fresh air!…
7, 8 , 9 starting holes today are Bailey, Gilbert, Fitzgerald.
I’m optimistic today, so I’ll go with a 2 for 10 with only 4 Ks in that group. No HRs, no RBIs, no walks, no xtra base hits. Hoping for maybe a hit batsman to get one of them on, too, so 3x getting on base.
Giants have 4 LHBatters in starting LU. Rays RH starter is reverse the norm, he’s actually better against LHBs. So, RHbatters better be ready to get things done.
I’ve heard on radio some of these gambler shows supported by MGMGrand, etc. They are hitting hard prop bets on how many runs the Giants get per game, through 5 innings, in first inning, etc. They’re Always betting the under, ha ha…
Ex Dodger Pepiot. Pls blast this guy. Lee off to good start stop order
Devers is doing his best to defend TWAT’s chastity, going forward. Didn’t he win a sombrero last night? On his way today.
Li with his double proving again why the dope Melvin should be putting him leadoff every friggin’ game, no matter what.
Otherwise, Devers has now K’d 8X in the last 3 games including in the first inning today. 50+ games post trade, I think it’s time to seriously ask WTF is wrong with this guy? How long does it take to acclimate? Is he hurt? Does he need an eye exam? Freaked by Oracle? Hates the cold and wind? New league ? — but, wait, we have interleague play.
So, why does a top 10 MLB hitter turn into milquetoast as soon as he puts on a Giants uni ?
Lee OBP is worse than Chapman Ramos Devers Smith and Yaz, tied with Schmitt. guess it depends on what you want out of leadoff guy. Hopefully he does well there and it works out.
As a leadoff this year he’s hitting .174 with OPS of .635. Highest OPS spot in lineup for him is 7th, where OPS is .844 in 63 ABs. Also where he’s hit most often beside 3 spot.
He needs to hit leadoff, period. No more jacking him around.
Based on what exactly? I don’t mind Melvin shaking up the lineup and trying something different, but there is zero past evidence it’s best spot for Lee to be in.
There is zero evidence since Devers got here that this team is anything but crap. Li is a slap hitter, he’s fast, he actually can steal a bag once in a while, and he’s not an idiot baserunner like some of the other players. There’s your evidence. Try something that looks like to your eyes is something that will work, if given the time. Li is still figuring out MLB. Quit fucking with him in the LU. When you are dogmeat, why not try something that looks obvious, and screw stats developed over the season where essentially a rookie to MLB has been jacked around all over the lineup.
Nice job by Webb on Caminero, in trio of .800 OPS guys.
Rays are about middle of AL for runs scored and OPS. 2 games under .500, 4th AL East and trail WC race by 5.5…about same as SF. They have been playing in Yanks minor league park this year. Not sure what to make of that.
It wasn’t just Yaz. Literally every HR distance ball hit to RF is foul.
Giants bottom 3 starting strong. 0-3 with 2 Ks…
hey it won’t be a no hitter. That’s something.
Krukow predicted shortening up with two strikes on fitz and fitz instead overswung past a high FB. Again. Which one of them is dumber?
now that was a great catch. He actually knew that he’d trapped it between his knees.
Kruk is now often peddling dreams and fables…
Kneesy does it…
WTF??? Is Melvin even breathing???
Obviously, our pilot washed his hands, and sealed his fate…
ha!
wow big fat Seymour slo mo on the sprint to 1B. Pretty good play from Adames, too.
Gilbert at an even 50 cents! Team 8 K’s thru 4 the usual zero runs with a hit and a walk ( hallelujah for that) yeah if I’m betting I’m taking the under for sure in everygame and the over on K’s their both “LOCKS” for easy money wins!
2 runners in strandable position…
Is that a good stat?
The vaunted bottom 3 now at 0-6 with 3 Ks…
Dom! First pitch rocket!
DOM!
the Dominator! Adames looked pretty cool on that slide, too.
Dom might be playing himself out of town…
Dom comes through again !
They’ve been dogmeat for 6 weeks WITH Dom.
What would they be WITHOUT him?
Two out hitting, gotta love that.
Dom is making himself some cash for the next season or two…
Boom! Kid plants one in seats
Gilbert got him a long one. WTG kid.
you see that view of the water with the guy who calls himself mcc cove Dave whirling his oar like a rotor, imperiling other kayakers? Someone needs to head out there with a ballistic sling shot and pop him in the ear.