Unleashing Hell…..
Fun game. I tell ya though, this Posey kid, I just never saw this in him. Hitting home runs? I just figured him for a Jason Kendall type….
Is it just me or does it seem like Torres and Franchez have lost a TON of hits over the last few weeks by hitting the ball on the screws right at someone?
Bad feeling about the game today but no biggie, we’ve already taken the first 3…..
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
Fun game…it has been a long time since the Giants have been on the right-end of one of these laughers. Yeah, that Gerald kid just might turn out to be a decent ballplayer.
Seems the talk of a Hart trade is heating up again. Here is some of the recent chatter over the past couple of days:
WEDNESDAY, 8:48pm: Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets that the two sides are expected to talk about a possible Hart trade before their series ends tomorrow night. Rosenthal notes that Milwaukee likes Jonathan Sanchez, but it remains to be seen if a deal can be worked out.
TUESDAY, 7:40pm: Updating his initial report, Schulman adds that the Brewers haven’t decided yet whether or not they want to move Hart, so talks between the two teams aren’t far along.
7:00pm: Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News says (via Twitter) that the Brewers will only deal Hart this week if a team overpays. The Giants, who don’t seem entirely convinced that Hart would have as much success in their ballpark, probably aren’t going to do that. Schulman, meanwhile, tweets that it would likely take “Sanchez‑plus” to pry Hart from the Brew Crew.
6:24pm: The Giants could be “focusing on a possible trade” involving Corey Hart, tweets Hank Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. The Giants were recently reported to have interest in the Brewers’ outfielder, and Schulman noted yesterday that the Giants’ brass may have been scouting players at the Giants‑Brewers game.
Despite Pat Burrell’s success in San Francisco so far (.316/.391/.553), the Giants have still been linked to outfield bats, such as David DeJesus and Jose Guillen. Hart would be of particular interest to the Giants, since he’s under contract through 2011, and Brian Sabean has said his club would like to avoid merely renting players for a couple months.
When we asked nearly two weeks ago whether the Brewers ought to deal Hart, over half of our poll respondents suggested that trading the 28‑year‑old would be in Milwaukee’s best interest. For their part though, the Brewers aren’t eager to hold a fire sale, particularly with players like Hart and Prince Fielder, who are under team control past this season. In a second tweet, Schulman cautions that Hart, in the midst of a potential career year, would not come cheaply for the Giants.
So, what do the Flappers feel about a Sanchez/Hart swap? Would it cost the Giants more than Dirty alone?
With our team’s strengh being pitching (and playing in a pitcher’s park), it is hard to envision giving up Sanchez. The kid is going to be good for a really loooong time, and LH starters don’t exactly grow on trees.
Here are Hart’s splits:
Home – 1029 AB, 281, .337, .500, .837 (BA, OBP, SLG, OPS). 49 HR, 168 RBI.
Away – 1090 AB, .269, .320, .466, .786. 37 HR, 153 RBI.
At our yard:
ABs – 38, .289, .308, .526, .834. 1 HR, 2 RBIs.
Why the long face, Buster?
Zito for the sweep? Sure. As long as we keep up the newfound hitting, it shouldn’t be a problem.
Score 15 runs the previous night, trot out the same lineup the next morning I always say..
Torres-CF
Franchez-2B
Huff-RF
Pat-LF
Buster-1B
Panda-3B
Rent-SS
Whitey-C
Zito-P
“So, what do the Flappers feel about a Sanchez/Hart swap? Would it cost the Giants more than Dirty alone?”
When the rioters are through burning down the city of Cleveland after King James announces his intentions to leave the Cavs in favor of the Heat, they’re more than welcome to continue their efforts with Brian Sabean’s house should he make that deal. No thanks.
I agree, Denny…just curious how the crew here feels.
Stats check time for them who care: Team is sixth in the league in BA, but 11th in Runs scored. Giants are 8th in hits, tied for 9th in HRs, likewise in doubles. On Base Percentage reflected in their R’s, also 11th. What this tells me is that they are not drawing enough walks and their situational hitting has need for improvement (like these last 3 in Milwaukee), Slugging % is dead middle of the pack at 8th.
Looking at the hitting overall to date suggests that they are the middle of the pack mediocre bunch some of us had expected going into the season. Though a definite improvement over last year, there is still considerable room for improvement. Posey replacing Molina is one big step in that direction. Rowand sitting more and more also helps. A huge boost would occur should Pablo rediscover his inner Panda.
Pitching is pretty much as expected, though likely to improve with the additions of Bumgarner and Ray. As of last night’s game, they are third in ERA but now a mere 4 points behind St. Louis, as the Cardinals have been undergoing a Mile-High experience. Comparatively speaking, the Redbirds pitching has fared much more poorly in humidor town. Padres lead by a fair margin yet in ERA, but with the likes of John Garland and Kevin Correia as their #’s 3 and 4 starters and with their 3 aces being a bit green yet, slippage is probable. Their bullpen remains tight and nearly unbroachable.
Giants staff leads the Majors in hits allowed, strikeouts and saves, but is DEAD LAST~ 30th place in Walks allowed. That gets reflected in WHIP where they are a somewhat mediocre 6th in the league. My expectation is that Denny Bautista will join the Fresno bus during the Break. With long outings probable from Madison together with the presence of Chris Ray in the BP, the relief corps should tighten up somewhat. Both Romo and Affeldt have been more consistent lately, while Runzler is gradually taming his wildness.
In a postgame comment, Lincecum made it pretty clear that it was much easier for him to pitch following that 3-Dinger, four-run outburst leading off the game. With Bengie gone and Rowand gathering more and more pine-splinters, the inability of the team to string together some decent ABs may not be so much of a problem. One of the biggest questions now is where to bat Pablo. I do like Buster in the 3-hole sweetspot.
This team may have turned the corner going to Milwaukee. We’ll know a lot more in a few hours time after Zito faces the hard-hitting Brewers who in games 1-3 have been stunned and smitten by some awesome Giants pitching.
Picking up Hart would be a horrible move.
I just don’t see Hart making that big of a difference for the price. “Sanchez-plus” is way too much in my mind. Especially considering who’s going to fill his turn in the rotation. Joe? Seen enough. The Todd? Really seen enough. BTW, what’s up with him? He sure has quietly extended his stay on the DL. Not that any of us mind however. If something could be worked out for Ryan Braun, now you’re talking. His price would be exorbitant, but worth it in my estimation. BTW, sure it’s purely because he’s slumping, but Braun isn’t in today’s lineup.
No fuckiiiiing way. I was all for trading Sanchez before the season started, but not for Corey Hart.
“So, what do the Flappers feel about a Sanchez/Hart swap? Would it cost the Giants more than Dirty alone?”
Hart is not a hr hitter… he doesn’t hit for average… he strikes out a lot… he’s not the missing piece the Giants are looking for. I say pass on him.
Personally, my suspicion is that the price on another outfielder we will see this week may be a bit lower for a roughly equivalent player. Compare the stats on Hart with those of Josh Willingham of the Nats. Sosa + Bowker + Mixon might do the trick.
Washington would get a pretty much MLB-ready starter; an outfielder/first-baseman who still has promise as a potential slugger and an AA-starter who should not be more than one year from being MLB ready. Schierholtz could be substituted for Bowker and possibly Maday for Mixon.
Under this scenario the Giants do not give up a single player who would make a major contribution to the team this season. Likewise, Washington is in a rebuilding mode. The prospect prospects might be tempting. Maybe Rohlinger or Downs, complemented with one or two of the ML experienced Fresno relievers could get Cristian Guzman thrown into the deal. I don’t pretend to understand the thinking of the Nats’ GM, but the potential of five prospects for two regulars might do the trick.
I’m glad everyone sees the *light* on Hart. Same goes for DeJesus, by the way–neither are the difference maker we need….
I don’t have a bad feeling at all today.The Giants have the Brewers reeling.This is a team with no pitching,and play lousy defense.They are already packing in the season under Macha.Yeah it’s hard to take 4 straight from a team esp. on the road but i just have a feeling the Giants will kick their asses again today for the SWEEEEPPPPP!!!!!!!!
And No also to Corey Hart.As i mentioned yesterday (Wins against replacement)J Sanchez 1.6 WAR Corey Hart 2.1.The difference won’t mean shit.War for J Sanchez and Hart needs to be modified by considering who would pitch for us not “Replacement” if Sanchez departed and who would not play for us(Scheirholtz? Burrell? Ishi?) if his place was taken by Hart.I would say that to give up Sanchez with Wellemeyer our fallback would be much to high a price for Hart,replacing the players to whom we would not be able to give playing time.Now if we could pry Braun or Fielder,in a package for Sanchez i’m all in!!
Leading off on MLB Trade Rumors today was a story emanating from ESPNs Buster Olney about the Phillies, who appear to be on the skids, now considering trading off Jayson Werth. The MLBTR columnist spun off four teams who might be holding talks with Philadelphia on the doubles machine ~ first team listed: The Giants.
No doubt the Phillies would want an arm and a leg for their rightfielder who will come up as a Type A free agent this fall. Giants have said over and over that they do not want a rental, so some sort of ‘deal’ would have to be made with his agent before any possible trade went down. My guess is that such a trade would assume Sanchez + choice of Schierholtz or Bowker as a replacement + a couple of middle-high prospects likely including Wheeler.
Pure speculation on my part as is anything else regarding Werth at this point. Evidently, the Phillies realize they are quite unlikely to repeat in the face of the rise of the Mets and Braves and looking at the looming free agency, are ready to do some talking. If its just to be a rental i’d say no, but if something could be worked out under the table, fine, just so long as it would not be too costly. Under this scenario Henry Sosa would take Drrrty’s place and become the #5 starter, with Bumgarner moving up to #4.
Werth is a hard-playing clutch performer, not quite so much a slugger as a slash hitter who would fit China Basin well in that regard. Again, excepting for the F.A. conundrum, he would be a good addition to the lineup were the cost not prohibitive.
Bochy just strongly hinted that if the opportunity arises this Sunday, he’d use Timmy outta the pen for a inning to set-up Wilson. Bochy told Jon Miller Tim doesn’t know about it yet, but he’ll inform him shortly. Appearing Sunday would not preclude him from pitching in the ASG as that rule only pertains to pitchers who start the Sunday game.
Well, it’s dumb to just say “no Hart”. Of COURSE Hart would help them. He’s a huge upgrade over Rowand/Schierholtz and he’d let Burrell be more part time, as it should be. It’s not a question of yes or no, it’s “for who”. Sanchez, no. But for, say, Nate and a couple minor league pitchers, hell yeah.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay dumber than Sanchez for Hart would be Sanchez for two fucking months of Werth. And why the fuck would he sign a long term rather than testing the FA waters? No way.
We’re playing for one w/ Zito on the mound? Shit, more anyone, he needs the 15 we scored last night.
I agree with Twin on both Hart and Werth. Don’t think either will happen unless Sabean is gets the other GMs to drink the sizzurp.
The Brewers, the gift that keeps on giving.
wow..nice break
Sabean has already said that he’s not likely to deal for a Rent-A-Player, so that would knock Werth out of the trade talks.
Bats have been nice, but I really like the way this staff reached down and beatdown a pretty good lineup on the road. And, yeah, this Posey kid just isn’t ready . . .
Criminy, Barry. WTF is this?
Sabean’s addiction to rental-trades is documented better than a Pharoah’s tomb. He’s somehow convinced the faithful and scribes that he’s an MLB version of Stephen Hawking for acquiring July rentals and then not forfeiting a pick later to sign the same guy in winter free agency.
Uh, well, kinda. But Brian, er Professor Hawking, aren’t you just “forfeiting” the same kind of prospects you drafted, paid, and tried to develop earlier?
I thiink we’ve established that Brian gets the checkbook to go to the Dollar Day sales but not to The House Of Bijan…
Excellent Houdini escaped job there by the Zitman.
Thank you very much, Mister Zito.
“I thiink we’ve established that Brian gets the checkbook to go to the Dollar Day sales but not to The House Of Bijan…”
I agree. I have heard Sabes say on the radio that they have money for a trade, but he then says that it isn’t a bottomless pool. With payroll already at about 96 mil, I just don’t see BowTie and gang significantly increasing that number.
Wow, bases juiced and no out, and the BrewCrew faiils to score. The natives in Milwaukee have to be mightly restless…
Nice reference, Twin. Then again, as Mr. Bijan quips, you usually get what you pay for …
Hopefully Zits got his jitters out that inning and will settle down for the remainder of the game…we can only hope…
Another big inning similar to one of the ones from last night would help…
Huffster!
The Huffster strikes again!
Huff does it again!
Nice start for the “big inning.”
AH
Let’s move to the NL Central!
Huff Daddy continues his Assault in Milwaukee!!!!!!!
Maybe with a few runs Zito can stop worrying whether or not someone gave his purple teddy bear a hug and tucked it in for bed last night, and instead put the BrewCrew down for a Los Gigante sweep!
The Brewer Defense…the gift that keeps on giving…
At some point, Huff’s continued dominance and Posey’s arrival must have some positive effect on Sandoval, right?
The Giants secret “ground attack” has been supplanted by the new and improved strategy of…
Hit it to the Brewers’ shortstop, they’ll surely fuck it up somehow.
“Then again, as Mr. Bijan quips, you usually get what you pay for …”
I posted some FanGraph’s values yesterday. The most striking:
Rowand 1 million in performance for 12 million in salary
Torres 12 million in performance for $426,000 in salary
Grab some pine, Cecil.
RE: the FanGraph’s numbers…that’s not striking…that’s SICKENING!
Huff now tied with Hanley Ramirez in TWO categories: 7th in HRs and 16th in RBIs. MLBTR just had a poll on which free agent pickup has been the best one this season. Though he came in fourth or fifth with the voters after the likes of Vlad the Impaler and Beltre, Huff the Magic Dragon sure got my vote and definitely should have been an All-Star this season.
Huff’s so locked in he doesn’t even need two arms on the bat to go deep.
This game could have some real bearing on what they do by the deadline. They need some confidence that the ZitMeister will be decent if they’re to think about trading any of the other starters.
Having 7 runners on thru 3 innings doesn’t breed confidence.However stranding all 7 does.
Huff has been a pleasure, exceeding my dour expectations (but the dour, which is rightly pronounced do-er, is in my Slavic genes).
I love to hear the vendor shout, Kielbasa, Beer and Sauerkraut.
The Brewers are already in ASG break mode. They’ve taken these last few days off.
Yikes! They must be counting down the days to Packers training camp out there.
A truly Huff-ington Post, another ribby!
I’ve seen Brett Favre play better defense than these Brewers. They’re horrible.
Yes sir that’s away to break it open! The play by the Left fielder was another laughable moment for the Brew Crew. But i’ll give them one for that ketch by Gomez to rob Huff that was a helluva ketch.Still a sac fly and 6-0 though. Lovin it!
And given a 6-0 lead, Zito issues a leadoff walk.
Or get your Brat, Kraut, and Ice Cold Beer, here! My ex (and both of her parents) are from WI. Visits back there would always entail a fish fry (freshly caught Walleye) and grilled brats. The brats there are to die for. Only thing closely comparable here is the Sheyboygan (WI made) brats at AT&T. One of those bad boys loaded up with grilled onions and kraut, and an ice cold brew at the yard…it doesn’t get any better’n that!
How ’bout that Gerald kid? He can play a little ball, no?
How long can Macha last? Would not be surprised if he is canned soon.
Outscoring the Brewers 33-4. I would trade in four wins against the Brewers for a three-game sweep against the Dodgers by the same margin just for bragging rights.
Criminy. I step out and miss the outburst. Just like i missed yesterday’s. And the day before’s, and the day before THAT.
Chi, no. He can play a lot of ball . . .
Oooooh. That would have been sweet.
Smart move by Posey jumping up and getting both legs off the ground when that runner came barreling back to first.
Chuck, maybe you’re the problem. Keep stepping out!
I second that motion! Chuck…don’t you have some errands to run? Pick up your wife’s laundry??
Whatever you do, DON’T listen to KNBR while you’re out…
Agree Chi, about Macha.He’s lost control of this team.And why does he send his pitcher up who’s getting pounded down 6-0 at the time? He needed to PH there.
Yeah Kat…Macha’s days in BrewTown have to be numbered…
Zito 1,2,3…..could it happen this inning?!
At 88 pitches through four, Zito MAY last 6. He’s gotta make this one short and sweet.
I wonder if Ishi was being showcased for a trade.
So much for that.
88 pitches in 4 . . .
Can Zito make it through 5?
I have a bad feeling about the game as well. Zito seems really shakey today, already at 100 pitches through 4 plus. We need more runs.
Huff more than deserves to be an allstar. Too bad it won’t happen.
I need it to happen for the contest. Go Huff! Force your way onto the AS team!
I picked Tim and Weezey, but I would be more than happy to lose if Huff gets to go. He’s been the heart of this team.
And I don’t care if we won the first three, let’s get this one. Screw throwing one away because we won the first three. Giants win here then win two in DC, they will have turned a potentially disasterous roadtrip into a very good one.