Dear Barry: Please Don’t Pitch Today
Unfortunately, all signs are pointing to Zito taking the hill this evening at 5pm. Bad idea. I’m sure that Barry is saying all the right things to the medical staff. He’s a gamer. Game on. When your skills have eroded to near career ending I guess all you have left is your *game face*.
There is an awful lot of manly-manly-ness in baseball. There’s no crying in baseball. There’s no whining in baseball. And for the most part you wouldn’t ever beg out of the starting line up because you feel sore…..
But this is different. Zito was in a major car crash. His neck and back, at the very least, have to be awfully stiff and sore right now. For a pitcher, stiff and sore is not exactly the way your back is supposed to feel when you take the mound. Besides his obvious range of motion issues in his wind up, how do you think he’s going to cover balls hit near the mound? How’s he going to cover first base? Jeez, how’s he even supposed to check the runner at first base if he’s having trouble turning his neck?
This is a guy who was throwing 82 mph fastballs in Spring Training. And now he’s been in a car crash. That new ‘stash isn’t expected to improve anything either. I am firmly entrenched in the “ABZ (Anybody But Zito) Camp”. I would have wished to see Zito skip a start and move Bumgarner up to pitch tonight. Hell, the could have called Voglesong up to pitch and I would have preferred it. ABZ, baby.
I love being wrong so let’s see Zito prove me so. But I think what we are going to see is a guy gingerly take the mound armed with his game face and little else and leave about an hour later in the third inning after giving up a bunch of walks/hits and runs.
Don’t ever listen to what the player says. They all lie. He’s not fine…….
Flap Fantasy Baseball Standings
| 1. | NO Whitey | 106.5 | 15 | 12 | 7 | |
| 2. | PawliesPandas | 98.5 | 0.5 | 2 | 5 | |
| 3. | Giant Head | 93 | 4 | 5 | 9 | |
| 4. | Bladerunners | 92.5 | 2 | 10 | 5 | |
| 5. | Ferretball | 80.5 | 5 | 14 | 3 | |
| 6. | CrazyDiamonds | 78 | 1 | 1 | – | |
| 7. | NoTalent | 75.5 | -10.5 | 9 | 4 | |
| 8. | Clowns R Us | 72 | -4 | 7 | 6 | |
| 9. | IrishGiants | 68.5 | 9 | 4 | 3 | |
| 10. | Unca’s Army | 66.5 | 6.5 | 8 | 6 | |
| 11. | Tizzle | 66 | -23 | 11 | 5 | |
| 12. | Berra’s Bombers | 52.5 | 11 | 13 | 7 | |
| 13. | Flavor | 51.5 | -13.5 | 6 | 6 | |
| 14. | Dirt Bags | 48.5 | -3 | 3 | 6 |
I know it’s fashionable here to mock the medical staff, but I’d trust them more than a blogger on this. He may suck tonight but it would be due to his total suckitude, or dildoness, if you wish…
BtW, the SealClubber and Yogi are busy trashing both of us.
who cares, they’re both tools.
Okay, how do you do that?
do what?
I’m just kidding around. Obviously twin has access to amend his posts. Just making a little joke.
With Zito you never know. My policy for this evening is simply ‘wait and see’. Tim Brown at Yahoo Sports MLB seems to have developed a warm spot for the Champs. He does a nice feature on Matt the Horse today, headlining his piece “Pure Cain Sugar”. Timmy may have the flash and the dash (but no more stache) Cain is just plain solid. The Horse is a rock. Three solid starts to date from this Rotation. Four of five not unlikely.
Just looked over that schedule for April. Sure, it’s heavy on road games, but it does not look all that daunting. Giants will have a winning April and then go on to make hay in May.
Lot of pitchers with higher quality than Zito are fucked up right now, a number of them (Latos, Ubaldo, delaRosa, Garland) in the West. 3 more guys from the pen got an innings work yesterday so everyone should be ready to go when called upon. Slap Kuroda around and it shouldn’t make any difference.
If Zito takes the ball, it’s on him for whatever happens afterward. You step btw the lines, it counts. The schierholtz camp has complained for two years he’s been hurt and bothered by lingering injuries. BS…if you aren’t physically well enough to play baseball, then sit and let the team play someone who is. Otherwise, stfu.
A piece in the Gate said he threw a Friday session at full speed. I’ll defer again to Boch and Rags on this one. I’m sure they will keep a close eye on him and have the pen avail with Mon an off day. They didn’t want to move Bum up because I believe he pitched 6 inn on Weds.
RT is correct, Bumgarner would be on short rest. No way they’d do that.
TWIN—partially agree with you on “if Zito sucks it’s due to his suckage not the accident”—- it’s going to be both. But everyone will USE the accident as the excuse. Afterall, he had such a *sparkling* spring training.
By the way Twin, can you tell me what color the sky is today? Apparently I can’t decide until you tell me………
Like we wrote when the accident happened, the car accident bought Zito “Why I Suck” insurance coverage for, possibly, the whole season
Or he’ll go out of his way to say the accident had nothing to do with it.
Flavor asked about donations for the beating victim:
Donations for Bryan and his family can be sent via a PayPal account to the email address stowdonations@gmail.com, or to account No. 118881 at CommonWealth Central Credit Union in San Jose.
Thanks
And the Giants’ coaching/training/medical staff doesn’t know a player will say anything to get on the field? Please. While sending Zito out there so soon after the accident is a valid concern, I’m sure they’ve double-, triple- and quadruple-checked on him and will continue to do so right up until game time. If they deem he’s good to go, that’s good enough for me.
That said, I guess I’d be an idiot not to start Kuroda tonite.
Did I hear correctly that Buster fouled a pitched off his chin and that Bochy is gonna give the start tonight to NO Whitey? First place in the Flap Fantasy League and a start in the prime time ESPN game for Vern and Vera’s boy. That’s too much excitement for even me to handle.
Vern and Vera have been shamed enough by their lad. Messages to their home are answered by a machine that says “Big mistake! Not our son! Real son war hero!”
Aren’t most of the pitchers in the league stiff/sore by July anyways? If there’s no structural damage Zits can pop a couple painkillers and be his usual mediocre self.
And what’s with the continued “anyone but Zito” mantra? Yes, the fucker is grossly overpaid, but if we’ve learned nothing else over the last 13 months it’s that he’s still a tier above the Wellemeyers and Suppans of the world.
how many games did Zito win after July 16th, 2010. I can wait.
I believe he won exactly as many games as Jeff cocksucking Suppan did. Compare actual performance over that same period (BA, K/BB, etc) and Zito is far better. We won’t even get into the first half of the season. I’d look up Wellemeyer’s numbers over that same period, but Baseball Reference doesn’t seem to record stats from the bus leagues.
I get it, Zito has a ridiculous contract and he comes off as the type of smug douchebag who listens to John Mayer and hits on your girlfriend while you’re in the can, but he’s still better than any of the candidates to replace him.
New group just formed, Ugly. It’s called SWAB (Stop Whinning About Barry). Recommended by healthcare professionals.
Flav, did you do a Zito ERA contest for his first month, I can’t remember. I don’t think I submitted a guess. ” I’d hate to have (Zito) to walk around this (mound) with a seven hundred (ERA).
Jay Trotter: Seven hundred and TEN – and you’ll never have that problem, because the only reason (he) won is that you didn’t bet! You are the unluckiest person in the world!
So there you have it. Jay Trotter says a 710 ERA for Zito. Wait, Vicki did the math. She forgot the decimal point. 7.10 ERA for Zitshit. But she didn’t forget that her very long legs “go from her ass all the way to the floor.”
Zito can wear his neck brace on the mound for all I care. Either get it done, or don’t, that’s the bottom line. Bochy should have his usual lightning hook ready for the Zenman, when the signs appear for the oncoming meltdown. Go 5 full, give up 3, I’d take it and then gladly call in the Pen. Wouldn’t be surprised if this one ends up 7-5 or 8-6 or some such…
Do real men wear neck braces? Or drive Bentley’s?
I saw Benito Santiago driving a Bentley back in 2002 . . .
Or cruise that Bentley through Boystown and get capped by a cabbie. Who knows what any of us would do if stuck with that much moohlah ~ that Long Green and at the wheel of a sleek machine. Unfortunately, that’s dreamstate for the big majority of Amerikkkan dudes. Dream on, sukkahs. You don’t have Zito’s talent ~ or luck.
Go git em today Zits. Advantage those shadows. Get some backing from the boys and let em kure Kuroda with some steady bat action. Then go surf it on the surfeit.
I think I said 4.98 for April for bubble boy.
Criminy, the BB musta drank a lot of beer.
A couple of people submitted guesses on zito’s April era. Underwhelming and not enough to do anything with it.
Christ, Flav. Get a grip. You sound like Walter Winchell.
You know NOTHING of the accident or what happened to bubbles.
Blast the medicoes as you will, but do you think they may have bothered to check on his ass? How about the doctors at the hospital?
“How do ya feel, Bubbles?”
“Great. Never better.”
“Cool. Go get ’em, skippy.”
Flav you are off base on Zito.. How many games did Timmy win in august? How many WS games did Lee win??
Take the contract out of the disccission..
Take the season as a whole. Best 5th starter in baseball.
200 innings, 4.1 era 3.4 whip. Find me a better one?
PS Hope I am right cause I will be at the game!
Good take Dude. No need to go Doomer just cause there’s so little else to bitch about than the oberfunkatious salary of the “best fifth starter in baseball.”
You going the gossip column route?
Sportsdude: have fun but be humble. No need to draw the ire of dodger trash your way. And twin, thx for posting the donation link.
And chuck, the severity of the crash waS reported. Anyone who’s ever been in a crash knows how it feels a few days later lots of soreness, especially in the neck area. Obviously the docs cleared him of any major damage but he’s far from normal right now. Maybe they pump him up full of pain killers but that’s not the way I want to see him pitch either. Hey, it’s a 5pm gm he’ll have the shadows going for him. I guess that’s something.
sorry, but you can’t ignore the contract. There are 4 better SPs than him on this team alone…what if they all made Zito money? I be willing to bet SF could find a very serviceable #5 IF they could dump his ass…only they can’t so they are stuck with him. Don’t tell me the guaranteed money in the contract does not affect what goes on with the rest of the roster.
And just for the record, ABZ happened to be the stance management took for last year’s playoffs and World Series. They made the decision then and I’m sure would do it again…there are 11 pitchers (regardless of what they make) they would rather have on the team than him, and it proved a sound judgement.
Lineup out yet
Torres CF, Sanchez 2B, Huff RF, Posey C, Sandoval 3B, Burrell LF, Belt 1B, Tejada SS, Zito P
addendum to our lineup: it sucks. carry on.
Thanks. Sadly I will be humble at the game. My buddy and I had beer bottles ( full) thrown at us in parking lot a few years ago, unprovoked when we were not even close to other fans, and talking to noone
Sorry to hear bout that. It only takes a few, or even just one, to ruin what should be a fun and relaxing time. Hope all goes well tonight. Enjoy the game and bring us some good luck.
Peter Noone?
that is pretty fucked up. We really don’t ever see it at ATT but i think there is a small contingent of hoodlums at most games who aren’t fans of baseball, they just want to go and get drunk and fuck with people. Idiots.
“there’s five thousand fans. the rest of them are assholes.”
– Charles Davis
Most Giant fans would agree that Renteria’s homer was worth the $18 million they paid him over 2 years. I think it was worth at least 10 times that. So isn’t it possible that before he’s done as a Giant, Zito will pitch one game worth $ 126 million?
Man that stash has to go. He looks like a gay, unemployed pornstar from the 80’s
I bet if we looked long and hard, we could find an underground VCR tape where Zito and Kent “crossed swords.”
Sorry, but bunting in the 1st w/ Zito on the hill is beyond gay. I don’t think that was Bochy’s call.
Fruckie fucked the pooch on that play. Play for the big inning you dipshit.
OK, I think our resident comma expert, Pawlie, made this observation the other day; if you’re gonna take sunglasses out in the field — wear the motherfuckers.
Your time is up. Shave the goddamn stache. ERA now standing at a lofty 27. I say it goes up from here.
ABZ. ABZ. ABZ.
Eightfuckingfour right down the middle. 83-84 is not going to cut it if he wants to stay in the major leagues….
Well, he’s probably a little sore, Flavor 😉
Wink wink . . . but he was throwing 84 before the accident.
That was quick. I gave him 3 runs over 5, then get out. Now he’s gotta throw goose eggs the next 4. I don’t like the odds on that…
Panda!!
Orson light hit the shit outta that one. Good for Pablo. Nice to see the hard work is paying off.
Too bad he hit it on the night John Holmes was pitching. Paging Ryan Vogelsong. Ryan Vogelsong NO Whitey courtesy phone.
No need to insult a hard working porn star, Dennis.
No need to get em all back in one. Panda got the all-important get-backer. Rest of the guys were hitting him hard. If Z. can just get himself loosened up, this two-way whack a mole could still work our way.
He’s good enough to handle the rump of their order. That buys us some time.
Haven’t checked today’s fantasy scores yet, been too busy taking a dump at Gulfstream Park. But the scroll results on ESPN look promising…Howard, Gabby Sanchez, Howie Kendrick and Pedro Alvarez looked liked they did well today.
I’m having a shitload of fun with our fantasy league. Hats off to Flav. I guess it’s easier to have fun when your team is winning. Tell that to my fucking horses in Florida. I’m now compounding that debacle with more horseshit selections from Los Alamitos. I’m an equal opportunity boob. Say hello to my friend Looney. Unfortunately he’s not pert like Teri Garr. She’s pert… if you like pert.
It’s 2011 Dennis and Teri Garr was pert like 20 years ago…
Yeah, but when I think Teri Garr I think “Young Frankenstein.” She can put back my candle any time.
Settled down nicely now. Showed he can deal with their best as well as the rest. Prolly a case of first-game jitters together with all the soreness. Let’s wish him the best. Second couple innings suggest a capable #5 starter.
Zits can’t even blow one by the Kuo, the opposing pitcher, hitting a career .036, to finish him off. That fastball is friggin pathetic…
THAT Teri Garr puts the lead in my pencil too
Another nice job. Hearf of the order. Fastball don’t matter if its placed right and his better stuff is on. Good bobbing and weaving there.
Doomers: Is there something integral to your spirit demanding that you always look to the sour side first ~ or does it date back to the depressing days of 70’s Giants futility?
Stix, you seem to be a decent dude, and a good Giants fan. Cool. But, if you’re saying we should be optimistic when Zito starts in the face of 4+ years of crapitude at best, in between frequent disasters, including a choke job meltdown against the Pads in that last, uber-critical ATT series in 2010, you are also fuckin’ delusional…
I have a question: Kuroda is just another in a long line of Japanese pitchers who have that long, deliberate motion where they pause at some point in their windup. What gives. Do they teach that to the all the Asian pitchers? I don’t Latin Americans and our boys from the states doing the same.
Dennis, did you watch the LL WS?…there was an asian kid, maybe from Japan, that had a VERY deliberate delivery…slomo times ten…very effective in throwing a batter’s focus off, same concept, I’m thinking
Seen enough Doomers? I’d call that four innings of quality pitching. This ain’t last season, last half. It’s not the past few either. Dude still has some pride. A lot of teams would drool over their fifth best starter turning in that stretch of clean innings.
along with all the other 4 ahead of him…but no one would pay him this kind of money. I’m sick of hearing Zito compared to other team’s #5 starter…he wasn’t signed here to be the worst SP on the staff; he has just regressed to that role ever since arriving. Does it matter if Nate is the best 4th OF in the NL?
14 straight set down since Kemp’s Hr. Need a big blow here.
Thrilling semi Women’s NCAA, as Texas A & M girls drive past Furd for a 1 pt. W. Great fast break dish for the winning hoop at 3 seconds left, after Furd went ahead at 8 seconds left by Nneka O.
Dinked him. Just what the doctor ordered. That one Pandablast was enough of that socko stuff for this stage of the game. Franchez has a way of igniting things. Huff got into the act. Buster knew exactly what to do and did it. Pablo was maybe still a bit excited. Dude is only like 24 and does not have much of that more northerly sang-froid. But that’s okay for now. Showed he’s vulnerable. In fact, facing the Panda, i’ll bet Kuroda’s jock is plenty moist right about now and getting clammy.
Better take him out now. 3rd time through the lineup can be dicey with Z.
Get him outta there. 80 pitches…
Two guys on. one out. Dangerous batter. Time for the yank.
Bochy’s faith never ceases to amaze me. One huge “wheeeeew” on getting out #2.
Wowwwww! That was a professional performance. Not only did it disappoint every LaBumbo fan out there, hoping for revenge-mode via OOOOreeeBay, but some of our own Doomers gotta be long-faced right about now. This one has turned into one amazing game right before our eyes.
PAT THE BAT. Double by Methuselah. Wonder who’s sweating their starter at this point.
Pat The Bat: If he doesn’t homer, he doesn’t hit. i’ll gladly take it, however. All in all, the lefty chum bucket righted the ship after the Kemp HR. Can’t ask for much more than his effort tonight. G-man took Chief Brody who was chumming some of that shit off the hook (bad, no, brutal pun(s) intended).
Here comes Runzler. Pen game. I like our chances. Where’s my fishing pole?
OK – Bullpen time, I like our chances here.
Bubbles gets thru 6. Yay. Somebody t-bone him tonight . . .
Nice one, Chuck…
I said I’ll take 3 and 5 from Zito, then adios. He gave 3 and 6, as he survived that last inning with some nervous time. For him, that’s heroic. I’d take that every start from the Zitoid, then I’ll put the SF Pen against anybody’s. I WANT this dude to be good. I don’t want this guy to fail for the coin he’s getting. But, will I be thrilled and expecting great stuff when he takes the hill on his next start? Hell No. He’ll have to put in about 9 or 10 of these over the next dozen starts to start turning expectations around…
Is it just me, or does Valentine call Orel, Earl?
Not just you my friend. Valentine, Orel et al are Bill Walton horrrrrible. They make McCarver and Buck look like new printed money.
Jesus H. Christ. Huff made more revolutions on that play than the artist formerly known as Prince.
Alright, that one cracked me up.
the huff in rf era might be coming to a close.
so might runzler facing righties. not looking like closer material tonite, is he?
a rough outing
Why did they stay with Runzler???
all those cut zito and stretch out runzler folks might be rethinking also
kroon fans too, of which i bet there are a few more right now.
I sing the fucking praises of Runzler all spring and — bleh. I didn’t think we’d miss Cmdr. Cody this much, but goddamn. Huff in RF is over. And Runzler just won himself an all expense paid ticket to Fresno. Fuck this.
Ross gets to that ball that Huff fluffed.
Runzler just made it EZ on Sabes on who leaves when Wilson returns…
Guess I shouldn’t have gotten Runzler for my FB team.
Yeah Chuck . . . I don’t know what the fuck happened, but I think Runzler overwhelmed the fantasy league “Stattracker” software for a few minutes . . . it finally figured out Runzler had a 108 ERA and 12 WHIP for that .1 (yes, point one) inning pitched.
You gave Runzler the Chuck jinx.
Zito sucks! this is all his fault! He’s paid way too much! blah blah blah.
there. don’t you feel better.
Sorry, Zito had nichts to do with Huff’s pas de duex in right, and Runzler getting smoked…
i know that. was using sarcasm for the dimwits that insist that it’s all zito’s fault.
Seldom question Bochy but leaving Runzler in with 3 RHers in the pen made no sense at all.
this hasn’t been boches best game. if this shit has to happen, now is the time, not september
Huff was going back to LF soon anyway.Valentine is FOS, though. Huff has played 276 games in RF.
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
Starting with Runzler there was Bochy’s boo-boo. Doesn’t know the kid all that well yet. Sure, he’s probably the keenest guy outta the pen right now, BUT, he appeared in both those first two losses and obviously did not have his usual acuity, probably as a result. Not to worrry. This is early April. Humiliating, but the kinda learning experience which neither Bruce nor Dan will forget. Rags will be there to remind them and so will a skidding start to the season. Not one more time this season is Bochy apt to wanna overuse Runzler.
No doubt he wanted to see him against RHers, considering their plans for him.But tie game against the Bums was not the time…
Bring out the rocks Flappers, because I’m about to be stoned.
When Ross comes back Belt should go down. Ouch. Look, this team was really built around last years champs, with Huff at First. I know Belt can hit, I know he’s the future, but right now Belt is displacing too many starters. With Ross out, the LU should be Huff at first and DeRosa in Right (IMO). Yes I’m serious, OUCH. When Ross is back, Huff should be playing First.
You said it pal. Public stoning in order for your suggestions. I’ll lock ya in the pillory myself.
50 cents a rock, 3 for $1. And Zito is barred from throwing. None of that 81 mph rock shit coming at’cha. We’re lining up Nolan Ryan and J.R. Richard at you.
What, all year? Belt waits for Huff to go?
No, Belt comes up again if someone goes down or the team needs a change (major slump, injury).
The kid is going to be a GG and a hell of an addition, but right now, the way the team was built seems to me he’s disruptive. I just think Belt at First with Huff/DeRosa in LF isn’t a better LU than Huff at First and Pat/DeRosa in Left.
Whatever, Den is selling stones to throw. And yes, I hope the kid and the Team proves me wrong.
If Belt doesn’t keep going, they just may do that.
Bozo, I don’t think the club plans on using MDR in the OF. Hence Aaron and Nate playing some LF.
Speaking of Aaron…bada bing!
Say what you will about ESPN, but I do like the running pitch total they show.
LA county now offering a paltry $10K reward for info leading to arrest of the dirtbags that attacked the Giants fan. McCourt and the Dogs — no reward in sight. The dude has seven gargantuan houses or something worth zillions, and he can’t spring for a reward for an attempted murder in his parking lot? Turd…
Snarkk…McDickhead doesn’t care about anything but himself…turd is an awful nice adjective…cavalier cocksucker works for me
Fucking Valentine is very annoying. Fucking Orel Sax shouldn’t be allowed to do Dodger games. When Lasorda’s the guy I want to listen to, you KNOW it’s bad.