Florida Series and Geren/Fuentes
Look, Fuentes is an extreme *P* for going to the press with his Geren tirade last night. Just suck it up and take your 7th loss like a professional. But he did disclose some interesting info about Geren and it amazes me that Beane’s best bud can keep a gig like this for so many years. At some point the A’s have to upgrade that job, right?
Florida is a tricky team. Stanton might lead the NL is hr’s this year. Morrison is the real deal, too. HanRam is having the worst year of his career. Luckily we miss JJ who’s on the DL but Anibel Sanchez., when he’s throwing strikes, is almost as hard to hit as our own Dirrrrrty Sanchez. He’s almost dirrrrrtier……..
Should be a fun series. I’ll say we sweep going 2-1, 1-0, 5-3……….
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This one struck me as “blamestorming”, not to mention puzzled logic : “I get up in the seventh inning,” Fuentes said. “I have no idea. I didn’t stretch. If there was some sort of communication beforehand, I’d be ready, which I was. I was heated up. I was ready.
I didn’t stretch. (If…..then) I’d be ready. I was ready. Huh?
AZ has a double-header @ the Rox today/night. Half a game between the two, second place could be interesting.
This one confused me, too: “”The games in San Francisco were unorthodox managing, … I thought it was a National League thing.”
I get the part that Geron had some puzzling moments of management. I missed the context where it might be explained (blamed) as “a National League thing.” Friday he got put in the 10th with a tie and blew it (the A’s batters in that frame were the 8-9-1 slots). Sunday he got put in the 11th with a tie and blew it (the A’s batters in that frame were the 9-1-2 slots). What did I miss?
If you missed the …. eh, “Rapture” last Saturday, don’t worry. According to Harold Camping, who called the May 21st date, it’s actually coming (fer reals, this time!) Oct 21. Should make for interesting MLB playoffs!
Sunday chron Ostler brings up the idea again of moving Posey, and of course splashers are all over it. To me this is complete and utter FUBAR.
first, someone has to play that spot. so it’s ok to save posey but endanger someone else? C know what they are getting into. Want to try a different mask? fine, but someone has to wear it.
that someone for us happens to be pretty damn good at what he does, which is work with the PS, and has a strong accurate arm. Whomever you trade or “groom” for the position is going to be a downgrade.
“He played ss in high school.” This ain’t high school, and he does not have the body for it…it’s also the reason he didn’t play it anymore in college. No comparisons to Craig biggio allowed. He actually played CF…do you really think Posey could play CF?
Injuries happen everywhere….last night alone, McLouth Pedroia and Adam LaRoche went on the DL. Just because you move Posey does not mean he would not ever get hurt again. On SF alone, we have had to deal with FSanchez, Torres, Panda and Ross just this year. Nate has been claiming to be hurt for the last two years and after making the catch vs. LA too.
Pls leave the kid alone…he is doing what he likes to do and is pretty damn good at it. Sf has Sando on his way back and Huff/Belt at the only realistic positions he could move to now, and moving him means whiteside batting 4 times a game. If you are struggling to score runs I don’t see how that helps.
Harold’s 89. I think he should worry about his own rapture.
BTW I saw one of his motor homes on I-5 when we were driving back from LA a couple weeks ago. The guy was doing 60 in the fast lane, and garnering a lot of anger from the passing motorists.
If you impede the fast lane, people take a good ook at you, and hence, the van’s signage, too. Harold is not only a nutjob, but a fraud. Newspaper account said the last non-profit filing with the IRS showed they had $34 million in cash and securities. Now that’s friggin’ rapturous…
Roles in the pen are a sensitive issue, and managing them a difficult task. Fuentes last night was brought in and faced two guys, walked one then got a force out, and then was yanked. Wuertz then blew the game up. If he was only gonna be a loogy in that situation, I’m sure it was news to him.
geren is obviously a doofus. Maybe Beane likes it that way, but his team is falling apart right in front of him. And who signed the washed up fuentes anyway? But now all the blame is going to be deflected to fuentes and away from the two guys most responsible for the team suckitude, beane and geren.
WillieD–totally agree with you on Posey. Leave him where he is. Did the Reds move Bench? Did the Yankees move Yogi? Plus, his offensive numbers as a first baseman would be fairly pedestrian….
Amazing how Yogi ran out from his catching position in time to watch Mazeroski’s homer disappear over the LF wall….
“Through chatting with a friend over what he acknowledged was a very difficult weekend, it dawned on him….”—- the people that follow this guy must be A’s fans….
Fuented popping off just gives me more respect for Wilson. He gets a lot of comments for the persona and media appearances but I have yet to hear anything questioning Bochy’s use of him. 2 inning save? Sure. Come in when its tied? Sure. Dude just wants the ball with the game on the line. Save opportunity or not.
Bochy only uses him in tie games *at home* -that is SOP for all managers. Wilson has no reason to question how he’s used. Bochy is not Bob Gherkin, he’s the best in the game at pen management.
I’m not questioning Bochy’s use of him; home or away. Just noting the contrast. Geren made a few questionable move in the series. I don’t follow the A’s at all so I don’t know if Geren is a total nincompoop or he just was confused by the real version of Baseball played in the NL.
Just commenting on the commenrt, not criticizing it.
Flav, you also have to factor in the SP. Lincecum and Posey both admit it took a long time for comfort zone to kick in, and Lincecum credited Molina quite a lot for his own early success . Considering how strong the SP is, and how much money we have invested in them, swapping out a starting C in whom they have confidence and repeated success doesn’t seem to make much sense.
WilieD, I agree you don’t move Posey now, I have mentioned Biggio comparison, but he played catcher for the first 5 years with the Astros, he established himself as an RBI machine and that is why the Astros moved him. Posey has not established that. So leave him where he is.
sandavol started out as a catcher. platoon to keep them both in the lineup but not just one of them taking the pounding? sounds silly on the surface but it would be an interesting experiment. the sort of thing LaRussa trots out.
Don’t remember seeing anyone post this from yesterday or before, but read an article that the LA police made an arrest of the possible attacker of Stowe. Strong evidence suggest they have the right guys.
Yes, I understand one of the scumbags got a “Fear the Beard” tattoo on his neck to try to throw them off.
Posey will be moved to another position before the 2014 seasons begins, or the next rapture, whichever is earlier…
I guess Flavor means “again”. As I posted, Fuentes ripped him after Sunday’s game..
This Florida series could be an interesting test. Just how good are the Giants in their own venue? Ricky Nolasco and Anibel Sanchez are pretty tough cookies, particularly Sanchez, as Flav notes. Volstad is the weaker of the three. BF also notes that the Marlins have some talent at the plate. Presently they appear to be notably stronger offensively than SF.
Sweep of these guys, with a record close to identical to that of the Giants and much of that against Eastern Division teams, looks problematical. Two of three looks doable, but who knows? Needless to say, the kind of walkoff run the team has had lately is not sustainable. The pitching is there, defense has tightened up, with some highlight reel stuff, even, speed-weapon has started to assert itself ~ but, as we all know, the stickwork is sketchy at best ~ a bit better lately in getting those key, clutch hits late in the game.
What the Giants do have in great measure is an elan, an espirit de corps, a can-do feeling that comes with being World Champs. Florida is the first of three upcoming tests. Take two of three and they pass stage one. Next on the docket is Milwaukee, which has come on lately. Some guys who can rake on that squad. They face Timmy, Drrrty and Cain, so it could go 1-2 or 2-1 for that series. Sweep by either team is doubtful.
The teller is the four-gamer over the last couple days of May and the first two of June in St. Louis. Nasty team. More balanced than the Brewhahas. Bumgarner, Vogelsong, Lincecum and Sanchez face Pujols, Holliday and company. Giants hitters go up against some pretty nasty pitching. A two-two split in St. L. would be an acceptable outcome against the Redbirds. Giants take half of the upcoming 10 games against three tough teams and i’ll be satisfied enough.
Georgie shoulda brought his mitt . . .
http://tinyurl.com/3phbg4a
Gherkin used Fuentes in 3 games , two here and last night, with the score tied on the road. NO manager does that. Gherkin is a fucking idiot. The toss a coin on pitching to Huff or not all weekend was high comedy. And to elaborate on my response to Dirt: Wilson is never used in non-save opps exept score tied at home, ninth inning; or just to get work in if he hasn’t been used in awhile. As I said, he has no cause to bitch- and, if he did, it would only be once…
Bailey will be back soon, no doubt Fuentes is bitching because he wants the fuck out. Every AAA does.
Should be a fun series. I’ll say we sweep going 2-1, 1-0, 5-3……….
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Great. And if the Giants lose tomorrow…I’ll get blamed as the anti-blade
Shit, Ted is making it to a game before me? I gotta get out to the yard soon, this is easily the longest I’ve ever gone to start a season without seeing a game live…
Isn’t Geren one of Beane’s pals from his playing days or something?
Last weekend series was an interesting contrast of the two bay area organizations. I always thought the whole Money Ball angle was a bit overblown. Beane obviously values pitching. Having Mulder, Hudson and Zito previously and the current staff (regardless of recent DL stints). So in that way he and Sabean are similar. The difference is Beane wants guy with high OBP and Sabean likes guys who get their bat off the sholder and hack. Lincecum mowing them down on Saturday shows the weakness in Beane’s approach. Meanwhile SF’s hackers generally seem to handle opposing staff aces well.
Should there be a clear-the-air session with Geren?
“At this point, I have nothing to say,” Fuentes said.
Yeah, well you already said everything, didn’t you dumbass. If I’m Beane I waive this chump immediately.
Now Dennis Eckersley is ripping Fuentes a new one (see John Shea’s tweets @ the Gate). Quite a circus this is turning into…
Again, obviously, Gherkin only used Fuentes YET AGAIN, in a tie game on the road for the third time in four games.. to “teach him a lesson”. All 3 losses are manager’s losses.
Yes, I get that part, Twin. I’m more amused by the way it’s kinda turned into a Jerry Springer show with the participants.
OBVIOUSLY, ripping Gherkin two days in a row is a tactic… to get out. You can say he shouldn’t have done it, but he was 100% right.
I don’t know of their playing days, Gherkin was best man at Beanie’s wedding.
“If I’m Beane I waive this chump immediately.”
He has a guaranteed 10.5 mil two year contract. I don’t think Billy be waiving him.
I’m not saying what Fuentes said was incorrect (though a lot of it didn’t make sense). But he went about it in an inappropriate way. Geren wasn’t teaching him a lesson, he’s just a shitty manager who has no clue and no plan….
Fuentes won’t be an A for long…..
regarding stix comments on the g’s “stickwork”, i think it’s more than just an elan thing. Any one of those guys can beat you (except maybe miggy). they proved it last post-season and they’ve got that mojo going again. I’d much rather see a fairly dangerous lineup top to bottom than a middle loaded lineup with 2 or 3 big hitters surrounded by a whole lot of nothing. that’s the reason they’re winning in walk-off fashion: it doesn’t take the top or middle of the lineup to score a critical run. It can come from anywhere (and if we can get Nate hitting pinch bombs, ford and burris getting on base, than wow!). And I wonder if it’s starting to get inside the head of some oppossing staffs, especially late in the game.
chickens coming home to roost over there. Beane could have hired Wash, known and respected among the IF guys he worked with.
If he valued OB so highly, the team he had last year was terrible at it…number of guys who played regularly around the mendoza line of .300 including kouzmanoff and suzuki, and of course slugging was dismal..so Cust, he dumped.
He never cared about steals or D during the m-ball years either…now it’s his mantra. He brings in new guys to beef up his O every year, and it still sucks because no one wants to play there and hit, or watch for that matter.
Tired act, like borscht belt comedians telling 50 yr old jokes.
Tired act, like borscht belt comedians telling 50 yr old jokes.
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HEY!!!
All this talk about the A’s, I could have sworn this was a Giants Blog.
For me I could careless about the A’s, I didn’t like thier handle bar mustaches of the 70’s, I didn’t like them in the 80’s, especially when they whipped the Giants in teh 89 WS.
I live in Sacramento, I just heard on the news today that Sacramento ranks second behind…you guessed it Oakland in Violent crime!! F me I am associated to Oakland and I don’t even like there team!!
Now now. Let’s not bash the Cities, just the team
Using him again last night, and Fuentes being first out of the pen, was either teaching him a lesson or total idiocy. There is zero way to justify it. If I have to explain in detal, you’ll need to pay. If Beane moves him, Fuentes wins, BTW.
You don’t rip your manager two nights in a row if you WANT to be on the team. So saying Fuentes ” went about it in an inappropriate way” is silly. He wants out. It’s a GREAT way to go about it.
Lew Wolff wants out of Oakland. Players are following suit…
Regarding catchers and concussions- obviously there’s been a tectonic shift in approaches towards concussions, and near-concussions, and quasi-concussions in sports. It’s hard to know how this will all play out. All the sports are figuring it out as they go. It’s an unknown future in that regard.
Posey is a very talented catcher, and should stay at that position as long as he reasonably can, IMO. And from all accounts, he loves playing catcher, and wants to stay there.
FYI the Fresno Grizzlies will be in Sacramento to play the Rivercats, June 17-20. I am going to try and go to one of those games, watch Belt and all the other possible future Giants
“A manager uses a relief pitcher like a six shooter, he fires until it’s empty then takes the gun and throws it at the villain.” — Dan Quisenberry
Which reminds me. Why did Superman always duck when the empty gun was thrown at him?
Same reason Japanese kamikaze pilots wore helmets, I s’pose…
Eckersley mentioned something interesting (I’m sorry Kevin. Yes he was an A. But, heck, he grew up a Giants fan in Fremont) about a “walk-off” (a term he coined). How it was originally a bad thing pertaining to the losing team/pitcher but in modern vernacular it’s a positive thing pertaining to the winning team/hitter. When did that change I woinder?
According to Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writer, Gene Collier, it became so over-used and mutated by ESPN that he awarded it his annual “Trite” award in 2000.
Oh Ted, don’t get me started on Eckersley, MVP for a closer!! shoot me now.
I feel your pain.
Why do we sing “Take Me Out To The Ball Game” when we’re already there?
From the baseball Almanac:
“In the seventh inning fans all get up and sing ‘Take Me Out to the Ball Game,’ and they’re already there. It’s really a stupid thing to say and I don’t know who made ’em sing it. Why would somebody that’s there get up and sing take me out to the ball game? The first person to do it must have been a moron.”
– Pitcher Larry Anderson-
Also from the Baseball Almanac:
Harry Caray, who is credited with singing it first at a ball game in 1971, once said, “I would always sing it, because I think it’s the only song I knew the words to!” On Opening Day in 1976 Bill Veeck noticed the fans were singing along with Caray so a secret microphone was placed in the broadcast booth the following day to allow ALL the fans to hear him. Veeck explained to Caray, “Harry, anybody in the ballpark hearing you sing ‘Take Me Out to the Ball Game’ knows that he can sing as well as you can. Probably better than you can. So he or she sings along. Hell, if you had a good singing voice you’d intimidate them, and nobody would join in!”
So the conclusion of these two anectdotes means…Larry Anderson thought Harry Caray was a moron. Now that’s just mean
“All this talk about the A’s”
Think of it as “Thank God we have Bochy”
Isn’t the MLB draft coming up? Any word on players SF is interested in?
and could we lose ‘god bless america’, especially the kate smith version?
“facism, when it comes to america, will be wrapped in the flag and holding a bible.” M twain (?)
Who could object in 2001, after 9/11, when the Yankees started in with the PS God Bless America stuff? Let them and the Mets continue, if they want to. I think everyone else should move on.
What about DC?
Exactly! Maybe for games played on 9/11 it would also be appropriate. otherwise, Knock it off!
The Nats were fucking CANADIANS in 2001. Too little, too late, for me. No GBA for them.
Although the mlb-wide recognition actually on 9/11 sure rings true. Good idea.
It’s the town, not the team . . .
Sure, Chuckles, sure. Your reasoning was obvious. Anything new to add? A joke of some sort? Thought not. Enjoy the game tonight. See if you can through it without firing off any of those devastating “skippy” zingers of yours. Wouldn’t want great stuff like that to go stale.
“Did the Yankees move Yogi?”
He and Elston Howard both played C and some OF. Helped Yogi stay around. So do the Giants need an Elston in place of a Whitey? Sorry, I mean an Eli?
D’backs/Rox: De La Rosa out after 2 1/3; 3-0 AZ
Of course he’s out after 2 1/3. He’s on my fucking fantasy team.
Do you, in a meditative state, visualize the players as horses when you make your fantasy roster?
Ruh-Roh: “Jorge De La Rosa left the doubleheader opener against the D-backs with left elbow soreness. The Rockies announced that the situation will be monitored.
“After throwing a pitch to Chris Young with runners at second and third, De La Rosa motioned to the dugout for head athletic trainer Keith Dugger and manager Jim Tracy. After a conference and a warmup pitch, after which he winced, De La Rosa left and was replaced…”
That epic blown save by the Dodgers last night ended with a very nifty bit of baserunning. The Astro runner had to slide past the blocked plate and get his hand on the plate somehow and he found a way.
Then the Astros spent the next few minutes beating each other up. These walk-off baseball celebrations are really getting out of hand. But it’s the expected ritual now. You must beat up the person who got the winning hit.
I saw that too. Great slide/reach at home plate.
There were what? Two season-ending injury celebrations last year?
Didn’t a pitcher get hurt trying to pie someone?
Yeah- Angels hitter broke his leg jumping on homeplate, and I think it was possibly a Tampa Bay player (a pitcher?) who tore up his knee, turning and running away after he pied someone being interviewed.
Yes. Instead of Tommy John surgery, he had Moe Howard surgery
It was Chris Coughlan. Last year’s reigning rookie of the year . . .
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5412671
…which is a helluva lot better than Moe Green surgery
Marlins LFer . . .
Ah, well I had the Florida part right.
I LOVE watching the Giants win a game on a walk-off hit, but I cringe watching the celebration. I don’t relax until I see everyone walking away OK.
Damnit Chuck! For that line to have a chance, it was gonna have to come in right under Ted’s.
LQTM . . .
It still worked
“Uh, sir. Are you okay? Are you choking on something?” “No, no. I’m cool. I’m just laughing quietly to myself.”
I know I mentioned this before, but DeLaRosa is respected around the league as a front line starter. Compare with Sanchez…
I’m not sure how I feel about this but I can’t say I’m surprised. Bryan Stow’s family filed a lawsuit agaisnt a number of Dodger and McCourt entities
I’m not surprised either but I definitely know how I feel about it-out of respect for Bryan, I’ll leave it at that.
I’m sure the attack on Bryan Stow was the final deciding point for MLB to take over the Dodgers. MLB no longer believed that the Dodgers could even run their own stadium security properly.
Man, if stadium security is supposed to prevent that, just fucking bring in the militia for the ballgames.
Well, did McCourt cut back on security due to financial hardship? All the Stows lawyers have to show is that they did, and therefore the parking lot wasn’t safe for fans.
Yep. That’s it. Case closed. If they cut back on security, automatically security wasn’t sufficient. Oh, wait. Unless it was really really good before. IN that event. . . .
Of course, the Stows had years to go before the SOLs on their claims ran out. Wonder why they rushed to hit em now? (And don’t say to become a creditor before McCourt and the bums go bankrupt; doesn’t work that way.)
Well, I don’t know. I’m not an attorney. But it seems in this world if a scumbag or two want to be scumbags, a few more security guards isn’t going to prevent it. *Maybe* they would have been caught at the scene but the damage could have already been done. Like I said, I’m not sure how I feel about it.
It’s not that simple, Clarence.
That was for Chuck Darrow.
Well, the OJ trial taught us that you can never totally predict what a jury will do.
I’d guess there is some act of violence at virtually every game-add the other pro sports…I’d think they’d have to show some negligence on a massive scale. But of course, I’m not an attorney, either…
I’m just right 😉
It ain’t that difficult, Mr Hunt. If the Stow people can show that McCourt skimped on security for opening weekend against their biggest rivals, well, that will look pretty bad in any jury’s eyes.
The point is, this DOESN’T happen every game. Not even once a year, Not on the scale of injury that was sustained. Seeing as it usually takes about 2 hours to get out of the parking liot, you’d think they could have found them before they got anywhere.
If what Xoot says below is true, then it’ll be even easier.
Also the “fired the security director” part. What if he was doing a poor job? (I know. The knee jerk joke is “obviously”) But was he replaced? Was someone else appointed? *Someone* had to be in charge. I don’t know.
Reportedly for cost-savings reasons.
That’s only half of what xoot said. He also said there was a precedent ony that Girardi feels he can get over. Of course he’s going to say that. Doesn’t mean it’s so. And the 3rd point, about getting folks “sauced up”…uhm…only in L.A.?
I don’t know. I supposed it’s interesting but I don’t know
Those last two should be the other way around
Torres CF, F.Sanchez 2B, Huff 1B, Posey C, Schierholtz RF, Ross LF, Fontenot SS, Tejada 3B, Cain P
Just got around to looking at the Daily Journal. Tom Girardi’s firm is representing the Stows. Girardi’s an excellent plaintiffs’ lawyer. One interesting allegation in the complaint: It took the Dodgers personnel “10 to 15 minutes to respond to the scene where Stow was injured.” On the other hand, the Dodgers have won lawsuits in the past related to beatings in their parking lot. “No one can reasonably contend that even a significant increase in police personnel will prevent all crime or any particular crime,” reasoned the court of appeal. Girardi is quoted as saying that it’s going to be “real easy” to get around that case law. He says the bums “cut security by two-thirds and fire[d] the security director and sauce[d] everybody up with beer.” Hmmmm.
That’s the guy from that Julia Roberts movie
He was involved in that case, I think. He has handled many very large cases. I heard him deliver an opening statement back in the early nineties. Very strange situation for him. The defendants in the case were three huge oil companies. Two of them were not based in California, and they hired local counsel to appear with their usual big firm lawyers. One of the oil companies hired Tom Girardi to be its local counsel — a rare defense chair for him. They hired him because he had been Jerry Brown’s judicial appointments secretary when the trial judge in the case had gotten appointed to the bench. The judge loved Girardi. Girardi’s client was the only oil company defendant that prevailed at trial (there was no jury). On appeal, the justices all shook their heads during oral argument and one said, on the record, “This makes no sense. The case was identical as to all three defendants.”
Erin Brokovich?
Yeah. But to be more specific, his firm was involved in the same big P G & E lawsuit as Ed Masry’s firm, who Erin Brokovich worked for
Uhm…as xoot already explained above
Well, if they win let’s hope they don’t party in his room.
They’ll all go to a ballgame . . .
I have never noticed security personnel in a stadium parking lot anywhere.
I’ve seen police at Candlestick’s lot
Didn’t you ever go to the Stick? They were a pretty big presence.
Esp for Dodger games.
Well, I have to say that after leaving Sundays game there are is a police presence around the park but not a whole lot of security around the parking areas. And I parked about 4 blocks away. the whole thing is where did the beating take place cause there had to be lots of people walking all over after a game. that is why I find it so hard to believe it took this long to find the people responsible. I mean 40,000 fans leaving all at once and no one saw this happening
At least one person saw and spoke. They had sketches, remember
Your point is well-taken, except Dodger Stadium is the one stadium where 40,000 people never leave all at once.
The other thing is to me this is an isolated incident, not the beating part, I am sure there are fights, but the severity of the injuries is isolated.
And, sad to say, WHO gets attacked is important to the media, too. White person gets frontpage attention, minorities not so much.
In Los Angeles, white people are the minority.
Overall I’d say you’re right but I think the details in this tragedy was an exception. It would have been front page news no matter what color Bryan Stow’s skin was.
To be clear, I was saying overall I’d say *zum* was right…
Btw- did you see this crock in the news today:
“The attorney for a Florida woman charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter outlined a bombshell defense Tuesday, contending the toddler accidentally drowned in a swimming pool and her grandfather covered it up. After nearly three years of sensational details and rumors in tabloids and television shows, Casey Anthony’s murder trial got under way in an Orlando courtroom.”
True, Zumie, but the attacker matters also. You think there would have been national coverage of the cops chasing Amp Lee in a Bronco?
And in more weird news . . .
http://tinyurl.com/3rl883g
Monta better not show that to his dog.
Kinda bummed not see burriss in the LU…
Replacing who? Fontenot?
I’d guess he’ll get his first start Thursday afternoon for the Frucker.
Ford has a bum ankle and is probably not available tonight.
On the collision? He went right at Suzuki.
He definitely got up from the plate with a hobble. Bummer
Big blow to the Rockies and his fantasy owners: Jorge De La Rosa suffered a complete tear of his ulnar collateral ligament in his left elbow.
Ouch. Tommy John
The level of hysteria in this tragedy is astronomical. Even suggesting that there might be another side to be heard seems to be heresy.The Giants’ fan/Dodger fan angle actually makes it an exrtremely “sexy” crime. If it happens on a city street, we’d never hear of it.
A baseball game and the fucking Tenderloin are 2 different places. You can’t expect to be safe in the tenderloin but u can expect and demand that you stay safe at a baseball game and it’s the responsibilty of the host team to provide the security. That is, unless you’re a shit talking dumbass who gets himself in trouble. No evidence that stow did that but who knows, none of us were there
Expecting ballpark security to prevent any act of violence is fucking ridiculous. Fuck, a guy behind you in the seats could bash your fucking skull in before Superman could stop him. In the parking lot? Yeah, right…
well they’ve done a pretty good job SO FAR of creating a safe environment that discourages idiots from bashing in a guy’s skull. Or do you think that what happened to Stow happens on a regular basis on stadium property?
I don’t know, Flav, the extent of Stow’s injuries I would agree is probably an anomaly but fights are fairly common. Even inside the parks. I don’t go to many games but even I’ve seen a few. And I’m not defending the assholes that did this to Stow but I doubt even they realized how badly they were beating him. And as I said before, if someone has it in their mind to be an asshole, there’s not much anyone can do to stop them. With more security, maybe they would have been caught at the scene but the damage might have been already done. It’s just a fucked up situation. A lot of what ifs.
Why would you doubt it, Ted? You think they actually cared? They probably enjoyed it…
That being said, if you were to ask me if they gloated about it after they found out what they actually did, I would guess yes they did.
Because most people don’t think they can cause that much damage with just fists and feet. And not defending them or saying they didn’t enjoy it. I’m sure the scumbags did. But I doubt they thought they were going to put him in a coma
Again, the posts should be switched
Twin: Keith Hernandez just said that Ray Scott was one of his favorite announcers. It was preceded by the Met play by play announcer saying “wow” after a play. Hernandez said that reminded him of Scott, implying that “wow” was one of his trademark calls. Then he said Scott was one of his all-time faves…
My father is still considered by many to have been the greatest football play-by-play man ever…
I don’t particularly recall “wow”, he didn’t have any schticks. He’s always been remembered for his brevity and the greatest voice.
It wasn’t a big “WOW!”. It was more a quiet one of disbelief. In this case it was provoked by Carlos Pena attempting a 2 strike bunt with 2 men on base.
Here’s a clip, think it was actually from a re-creeation ESPN did of the Ice Bowl telecast.
http://tinyurl.com/43hscd9
Didn’t say that- don’t dare to distort what I’m saying. There is NOTHING to prevent what I described. You can’t be serious that it couldn’t be done in a millisecond. That it doesn’t has zip to do with security- thugs bent on violence just generally don’t go to fucking baseball games to practice their craft in front of hundreds of witnesses.
Well, as it applies to the lawsuit, if McCourt did cut 2/3 of the security and fire the director in cost-cutting measures, it won’t look very good in the eyes of any jury.
You can’t argue that he’s creating a safer environment by cutting security. Yeah, these thugs likely would have done this anyway even with added security in place, but who’s to say there could have been a cop nearby when Stow and his friends were walking to their car?
Bullshit argument? Sure, there’s no way to know, but you know this is how Stow’s lawyers are going to argue this.
*THEY can’t argue . . .*
I’m trying to explain the *hysteria* to you. It exists now because this type of thing almost never happens at a baseball game. It almost never happens because the security at the game creates an environment that discourages hoodlums from risking an attack. Except at Dodger stadium and that’s why they’re getting sued……
The stupid shit you’re talking about isn’t even arguable. Of course the guy behind you could bash your head in. Why doesn’t it ever happen? See paragraph 1….