Why Don’t we See More Salary for Salary Trades?
I think Mr DJ Loo has taken over Bagg’s Blog. His Soriano/Zambrano for Zito/Rowand has his finger prints all over it. Of course, I don’t see any team ever trading for Zito, regardless of how much salary they get to dump. About the only way I see a trade like that going down is if the Giants paid most of Zito’s contract, too. And that would just be idiotic. Plus, Sabean would never take in a lunatic like Zambrano……..
Why don’t we see more of those bad salary for bad salary deals? Does it ever happen? I can’t think of any. The only two reasons I can think of is that most of those high salary guys have no-trade clauses and they kill the deals and/or GM’s are afraid of how the deal will turn out. Not only do these GM’s look like idiots for giving out mega-deals that fail but can you imagine how dumb they’d look if the bust player they traded turns it around on his new team? That would be *double* the reason to fire you. In fact, the Angels GM, Tony Reagins, is probably looking at the unemployment line at the end of the season if his mindblowingly stupid acquisition of Vernon Wells continues to look as bad as it does today……..
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(a slow Sunday with not a lot of movement except a couple of big point drops from yours truly and Chuck)
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I agree that there could be nothing to gain from adding Zambrano and Soriano to our roster. #1, we have a 5-man rotation, why add another starter? I still think the Yanks may still get desperatte enough that they may ponder making a deal if we pony up half the salary remaining on Zito’s deal. And I dont think Sabean and Giant fans will bemoan the fact if Zito “turns” it around and pitches .500 ball and a 4.5 ERA for the Yanks. 4.5 ERA can cut it in the AL and at Yankee Stadium, it aint cutting it in the NL….
I am continuing my climb to 80 points by the end of the month…90 by the end of August…victory in October!!!
I don’t know if it will be a “salary dump” trade, but if you believe Krukow this morning Sabean will have one, if not TWO deals done by the time we play Tuesday. Might as well come from the same team so you can cut down on the paperwork. Beltran and Reyes works for me.
while I’m sure the cubs would love to have the Gamer, Zito would get killed in that division. He could not survive having to pitch in the other warm weather hitters parks (Cincy, STL, Hou, Mil). Same deal in NY…righties would take his outside slop out the yard, and the rest of the division has boston, toronto and balt, all hitters parks. He’s lucky enough to pitch here, and he still can’t beat anyone. I would think also Cubs major priority would be acquiring young guys and dumping salary, in other words just the opposite of what this deal represents.
torres OB is fine, it’s his lack of pop that’s way down from last year, and what has driven his OPS lower than 2010. 3-4-5 of Sando Huff Ross is as good as it’s gonna get. burriss and hall are not high OB guys either…when no one is hitting, like now, shuffling the LU doesn’t matter much.
I still think the Yanks may still get desperate enough that they may ponder making a deal if we pony up half the salary remaining on Zito’s deal.”
They would not only have to be desperate but out of their f-=mind.
Good point about NY Wilie. It’s been highlighted before but this obsession with the Yankees continues. Agree. He would likely get eaten alive in that environment and stadium facing AL east opponents.
I noticed in the Clemons obits how he listened to Junior walker and King curtis. I loved junior walker’s funky sax that represented a different slant on motown, and king curtis was all over the atlantic soul explosion led by wilson pickett and otis redding out of muscle shoals alabama and the stax/volt studios. Those horn charts were fabulous; I had all those LPs as a kid.
It’s great to see a lot of that stuff on youtube and listen to the wonderful sounds of 60s r & b.
Burriss hasn’t had an extra-base hit in over TWO years? God Forbid Bochy start Hall who just might run into one. Jesus…
That’s not a Loo-Weinie deal at all. Loo would do Zits/Rowand for Soriano/Zambrano AND throw in somrthimg like Belt and Wheeler. THAT is a Loo-Weinie deal
What a great Fathers Day. The kid barfed on me at 4 in the morning and The Giants got swept. Still trying to decide which disgusted me more.
I guess it depends on how old your kid is . . .
I’ll tell you what I would do: Rowand, Crawford, Belt & Runzler for Hanley. His power and the fact that he’s signed make him a better fit for us than Reyes. Marlins have to take some salary back so we stick ’em with Rowand.
they’d be looking for a gm too in addition to a mgr. Rowand replaces Hanley in the LU? Marlins fans, both of them, would flock to see that i’m sure.
THAT’S the Loo-Weinie we all know! Now if Flavor would make that dumb ass trade proposal the POTD, everything would be normal.
I like it! We’d be giving up 2 outfielders in the deal though, so it would be nice to get one back. I say we ask ’em to throw in Cousins.
Loo, go see what type of year Hanley is having and get us with trade idea 2.0
For the Marlins, it’s not about replacing Hanley in the LU – it’s about dumping his salary and crappy attitude (which I would welcome). Rowand’s $ just offsets that a little for the Giants’ sake. Plus he can be a leader and a good guy in their fucked up clubhouse. Next year their new stadium will be the attraction, not the team.
Baseball in Miami is a tough sell no matter what.
MLB rejected the Fox/mcCourt deal opening the way to a take over once the front office misses upcoming payroll. I guess Selig has decided he doesn’t like that grease ball McCourt. Too bad MLB can’t get over itself and give Cuban a shot. At least he can pay cash.
McCourt should have never been approved for ownership of the Dodgers. MLB will have to pay the price for stupidity.
Hanley’s a superstar. He just needs change of scenery. So do some of you…
Fantasy is wonderful but reality is more challenging.
Edgardo Alfonzo for Steve Finley was a straight salary swap as I remember it. About $5 million each…
Wow. Epic disaster for my FL team. 5/28, ONE run. None of my pitchers pitched.
Sabes needs to start earning his this year’s salary. As if it were needed for emphasis, this weekend’s disastrous hitting versus two unknowns and a known was a total embarrassment. No doubt a coupla new players have to come in here. Doesn’t matter where, if they can hit at least .250. The offense has gone from piss poor to scary poor. It was already bad when Posey and Sanchez were playing. If this division weren’t crap, it would be panic time right now. Luckily, it is crap, so far…
In other words, the Giants are still in firstplace.
In other words, Sabes will make moves. He has to, otherwise this team has no shot at the playoffs. The Rocks will make a move later on in the season, the Giants have to have sticks to parry…
I’d rather he be patient and make good moves. On the Garko/Ross scale, find players that are closer to the Ross side of the scale.
He can be patient because the division is crap. There’s still 6 weeks to the deadline, but he can’t wait until the very end. This team isn’t going to go into a major tailspin because of the pitching, but the stress on a staff from virtually no run support every game is worrying for the staff long haul…
You’re worried that Sabean doesn’t know what he’s doing. That he literally can’t see what’s going on.
Ridiculous. Of course he sees what’s going on. He put the team together. He’s the main reason it can’t hit….
Back on this day in 2001, Bonds hit his 38th HR to break the record (Reggie, McGwire) for most homers before the All-Star break as we beat the Padres 8-3.
Do we even have 38 home runs as a team?
46. I just checked. “Together We’re Giant.”
Snarkk, it’s Sabean’s fault all those hitters are under-performing? Your going to put all that on Sabean? That seems lame to me.
He’s not wielding the bats. But he put the squad together, and he’s responsible for the minor leaguers, such as they are, that are available to fill in for injuries. If he gets the credit for working magic last year, and he does, he’s ultimately responsible for what’s going on now, and making the moves necessary to reduce the hitting problems….
What moves then? Give us reasonable options.
It seems that Z has been banned at the Splash. .And the Sophs, Seals, and Snarkks remain…
I rarely post on the Splash, and you know it. Itz a total joke. Just right for you to post on it constantly…
Oh well. Maybe I’ll keep posting at the Splash under that name anyway. People can just see the “This person has been banned” tag, and wonder what they missed. (grin) It IS kind of funny that I got banned today, on the day that I was posting SF Seals and SF Giants history.
I know you rarely post there, I always figured you preferred beng the biggest dickhead in a small pond. The point was that douche nozzles like you are allowed to post there and now intelligent posters ike Z are not…
What’s made it a “joke” are your kind..,.
The fact that you keep track of whatever bozos are banned from the Splash speaks volumes…
Why anyone really bothers over there is beyond me. I mean there is rarely even funny shit over there these days .
The signal/noise ratio is 1/100 . . .
Of course, I’m on my way over now.
I don’t keep track, it was just obvious today. His posts disappeared and were replaced by a user blocked notification.
Btw, I ‘m sure you do post there. “Pacificat” is a possible name you use there. I’ll check my data.
I already said I post there, rarely. As snarkk. Check your “data”, call the NSA into the job.
Whatever, You’re just proving my point even more. Funny, and kinda weird…
I’m getting sick of the Splash myself. The Canadian censors and the idiots who fly around with multiple accounts just to report abuse and have you blocked (Zumie) is a complete joke. They won’t fix the problem so maybe Heart’s inevitable demise is warranted.
That Snarkklefuck considers Zumie a “bozo” speaks volumes to Snarkkefuck’s character..
I didn’t even know “Z” was supposed to be Zumarust. I don’t pay attention to the Splash, or your pet names for people. It speaks no volume whatever….
Zumie—what did you post that got you banned? Inquiring minds want to know!
He said nothing wrong at all, all baseball related stuff. Someone with 20 accounts didn’t like him so he had him zapped, which is bullshit if you ask me.
Who are you, BTW?
A Giants fan who blogs on the Splash but maybe not for much longer. I’m not going to put up with the crap that’s going on over there.
I posted something that took all of 4 minutes to get pulled. It was regarding the fact that for all of OSF’s bitching he offers no alternatives. Talked about the catcher spot.
Blasphemy, obviously. Truth is, click Report Abuse on anything, and poof! The post is gone, no matter how innocuous it is. They don’t bother to even read or comprehend any of it.
People have 10-20 maybe even 30 accounts over there so what they do is sign in, report abuse, sign out, sing in and report abuse, rinse repeat etc. If someone has enough accounts, they can get comment deleted for simply saying “have a nice day” It’s pathetic. Enjoy this blog, Fresh does a good job, have a good one.
Flav?
Flav, my bad.
Thanks. It’s a grind sometimes
In an E-Mail exchange regarding a snarkklefuck admirer, “hanger”, VK said:”Moderation is done by a private company, not hired or managed by me…we’re not really happy with the job they do. On second thought, I’ll just ban the sucker.”
It’s the Hangers, Sobbers, PickledGringos, Barfys, and Seals who carry the Snarkklefuck banner to the Splash..
If anybody’s using my mutt’s image on a banner, I want the banner banned. In reality, he’s a very private mutt…
And Snarkk, you ARE wrong in blaming Sabes for the lack of offense, less Uribe and Rent it is the same as last season. no one can say that with those two the Giants would be scoring runs like crazy. Right now the Giants offense sucks. every position player should be thinking they could be traded.
Hanley Ramirez is not in the Marlins starting lineup today. Did Loo work his trade magic?
I think so, Doomin’ Denny. Belt,Wheeler, Rowand, Zito, Crawford, Cain, and Dirty were all seen packing their bags and singin’ “Everybody’s Talkin at Me”..
It’s Belt, Rowand, Crawford and Runzler, dammit!!!
Zumie, Soph is to blame.
Sophrosyne 1:30 PM on June 20, 2011
“Zumie went too far in spamming and being obscene with a female. He can come back in if he respects the clear rules here. Most of us do that and appreciate the chance to comment on our beloved Giants!”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=91327#ixzz1PqmvG6HS
Yep, soph is one of his sockpuppet accounts.
Yep, Soph is BFE.
Mattalac just got banned. Fuck the Splash.
Did he really? I’m done with it, and my subscription. They are going towards a pay window version too? Fuck Them!
When were you guys gonna tell me that Jose Pagan passed away? One of my early favorite Giants. I was sickened when they swapped him to PIT for a washed up Ducky Schofield. Jose homered twice in the same game that Mays hit four in Milwaukee. I also saw him boot 4 grounders in one game as a Pirate at Shea (3 in one inning) in ’66. Why not post this in memorium?
I think we’ve all memorized Xoot’s POTVP by now…
Now I’m banned.
Enough about the fucking Splash. I’m sorry I even asked why Zum got banned.
Matt banned? That’s a fucking joke..
Well, as I said before, I’m trying to arrange moving to Philo. Then I won’t be posting at all. It actually stresses me out now, it shouldn’t do that.
Philodelphia?
“Zumie went too far in spamming and being obscene with a female.”
Obscene? Total lie, as usual, from that weird dude.
He’s good at being a troll, I’ll grant him that. He knew that if he continued to call the Giants “gutless” he’d get a reaction sooner or later.
And Flavor said to the unwashed masses. “Come forth over the interwebs and learn the truth. Step into the light.”
Or something like that.
Banned from the Splash.
Not a lot of downside.
Like being forced out of being PortaPotty attendant at the local Chili cook off…
That one made me giggle. 🙂
No, Philo, Anderson Valley. Near Boonville. Friends have a yurt on the river.
Who doesn’t?
Man, it’ll be like you’re trying to out-sticks Stix.
A yurt, really? At least you’re close to a good brewery.
How stupid is it when they bill some of these inter-league series as “re-matches”?
Yanks face Reds in a re-match of the ’76 WS.
About as stupid as Valentine’s comment last night that “you know your team is in the big leagues when you see those Yankee pinstripes arrive to play your team.”
First of all, that’s a stupid bit of Yankee arse-kissing.
And second of all, the Yankees don’t wear their pinstripes on the road games.
Wow, what an Idiot.
Kenji Shibuya vs. Pat Patterson.
Now that would be a friggin re-match….
You made me think of Shinjo. When Baggs or Henry or whoever wrote that Shinjo started Game 1 of the 2002 World Series at DH that kind of blew my mind. I’d totally forgotten that. He only played that 2002 season with the Giants. And played only 3 season in MLB.
He could be available for spot start duty….
I couldn’t stand that pretty-boy Shinjo. He was a big fan of the skin tight pants–not my favorite. Reminds me of being in the outfield bleachers one time at Jack Murphy Stadium watching a Pads-Braves game. The Pads were up and Claudell Washington and Dale Murphy were standing next to each other in the outfield shooting the shit during a pitching change. Claudell’s pants were tight as hell and Murphy’s looked like they were about 3 sizes too big. We were giving Murphy crap about how baggy his pants were and to get some like Claudell’s. They didn’t turn around, but you could tell they were kind of amused by that.
I heard it said once that Claudell was the rare player who, despite a long career, never had a better year than his first one.
Add Ray Stevens with Pat Patterson and Mitsu Arakawa or Masa Saito, then we would double the fun . . . Damn, that brings back fun-filled days of my grandfather taking me to the Cow Palace and the San Jose arena (forgot what it was called to see these guys.
…perhaps with Peter Mavia taking on “The Brut” on the undercard.
Loo…..somewhere at my house is a 4 X 6 black and white Giants photo of Jose Pagan. At the bottom you can see where my brother crossed out “San Francisco Giants” and wrote “Pittsburgh Pirates” in pencil. Jimmy Davenport was his main man, but he loved Pagan too.
I haven’t looked at the splash in probably a month. Sorry to hear some of the decent posters are being run out by idiots like that psychopathic man Soph. Most are welcome here. If u get banned it’s always for a good reason. To all others, talk good baseball and you’re a welcomed part of this blog….
Hey, thanks man, much appreciated. I think I’ll read the blog for a few days to get the lay of the land.. Chico.
According to Henry, G’s might be interested in George Kottaras, who is said to be avail.
Just another Whitey?““`http://tinyurl.com/3fg3a4b
His stats are about as good as George Costanza’s…
Who?
I’m sorry I spent 30 seconds of my life looking up his stats. He sucks but he’s better than whitey so as long as they don’t give up shit for him I can dig that a little
Talk of wrestlers, and no mention of Rocky Johnson and Pepper Gonzalez?
Yeah, I watched wrestling, but I was a KID, give me a break. I can’t fathom adults watching it.
And I cringe now in retrospect at the casual racism of those days- Rocky Johnson was the black guy with the super hard head, and Pepper was the Mexican with the super hard beer-belly, and etc., etc. The racist stuff was rampant and embarrassing to think of now. I think there was a Middle Eastern guy called The Great Mephisto or something like that. He always looked crazed and drooled out of the side of his mouth.
Pepper Martin, I meant.
No Haystack Calhoun? Yeah, roller derby and wrestling went by the wayside at arround 13 . . .
Charlie Connerly, indeed . . .
Ah, the internet….here’s whatever happened to Pepper Martin…..
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2005/09/11/1212696.html
His real is Hamilton Howard Martin. Who’da thunk it?
And “pro” wrestlers are religious in the way they won’t admit how fake it is. Like magicians protecting trade secrets or something. Like we can’t tell they’re pulling their punches and stomping the mat instead of the other wrestler.
Wrestling is just entertainment, like baseball.
Wrestling fans paid to wait for Kenji to give the famous judo chop.
We wait for El Presidente to get a hit.
Who’s crazier?…
Pepper Martin is from Hamilton Ontario, Canada. . .
Fake or not, these guys get hurt and/or killed out there . . .
Not that I’ve given a shit since 1974 . . .
BLEEP fakery.
Was pepper martin the guy who used the famous “sleeper” hold? Growing up near Sactown, we had “Big Time Wrestling” hosted by Hank Renner—live from Memorial Auditorium. Some of my friends actually got to attend in person a few times. I had catch the action on Channel 40.
That all sounds correct Dawg.
Hank Renner! I haven’t heard that name in decades.
The Great Mephisto always cheated. He had a loaded boot. The ref would somehow get distracted, and then Mephisto would tap his boot, put the foreign object in the toe part of the boot, and then kick the other guy in the head and knock him out. What an outrage! This website notes that eventually Pat Patterson was able to get the boot from Mephisto and chase Mephisto out of the ring and into oblivion with it. Maybe Mephisto had gotten tired of wrestling.
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/f/frankie-cain.html
Me and my best friend Stanley were so outraged at the behavior of Gorilla Monsoon that we actually tried looking him up in the phone book. We were too naive to think he would have an unlisted number.
I never knew this, but I just found out that Ray Steven’s old tag team buddy, Pat Patterson, was gay. Who knew?
Hope you didn’t find out the hard way…
Yeah- how could we have known?
http://www.pwhf.org/halloffamers/bios/stevens_patterson.asp
The picture of The Great Mephisto with the 2 shrouded women kneeling before him is a classic!!!
San dawg– I will search that pic out when I get home from the pool
You won’t be disappointed my friend!
I think one of the most overblown fears in baseball is the 2 strike bunt attempt, especially for a pitcher in a sacrifice situation. What is the big tragedy of fouling the ball off and striking out? Better than a DP, and no worse than a conventional strikeout. These are the things that must be resolved on off days…
I’ve covered this before, but my take on bunting is that the ONLY time I want to see a bunt attempt is when you have a pitcher at the plate who actually knows how to bunt. If that is the case, then I don’t have any problem with trying to get the bunt down with 2 strikes. Otherwise, Cito Gaston and I want to see players swing the fucking bat.
I loved Cito when he was Clarence…
No one can really do it today (maybe Pierre) . . . Great bunters from the past are Rod Carew, Brett Butler, Phil Rizzuto (Little Scooter Rizzuto was considered as the greatest bunter of his era which is saying something considering contemporaries like Jackie Robinson and Pee Wee Reese of the Dodgers). Many argue that perhaps Ty Cobb was the best bunter ever, if not then at least the greatest drag bunter ever.
I can appreciate the bunt if done correctly . . . almost a lost art today. Here is an excellent article on bunting and the greatest bunters in MLB history . . .
http://www.helium.com/items/1123376-the-best-bunters-in-the-history-of-baseball
For what itz worth, here’s a stat on managers and their proclivities to order sac bunts and issue intentional walks. The higher the number, the more “traditional” the managing style. Bochy is characterized here as slightly less traditional than average…
Good stuff, Snark. Now that Cito lost his gig this chart will help me find my new favorite manager regarding bunt strategy. One of the reasons I’ve always liked Bochy is that he doesn’t seem to bunt much–especially with position players.
Issuing intentional walks I’ve never given much thought to—-though in the Barry era I used to say that they ought to allow the player to have the option of accepting the walk or resetting the count and remaining the batter. (I almost brought this up when Zumie mentioned his proposed rule about being called out when a batter throws his bat in the stands) By the way–did they ever come and get that bat from the guy in Arizona who caught Bill Hall’s bat in the stands? It looked like they were gonna let him keep it, which is pretty damn cool. Don’t they usually send someone to get the bat?
Dawg, you get to keep the bat. Unless Flan geets a hold of it.
Greatest bunt ever: Aubrey Huff
Yeah, I must admit that one worked out pretty damn well.
Pujols is hurt now (where’s the outcry?), but I never understood why teams pitch to him far more than Barry. Pujols could be in the middle of one of his murderous streaks, but still get more pitches to hit in one game than Bonds got in a week. As for intentional walks, there’s a place for ’em in the game from a situational POV, but I hate it being used to render one particular player impotent, like they did to Bonds. I would agitate for a rule change that in any one game, the penalty for intentionally walking the same guy goes up. First intentional walk, he takes one base. Second, he gets two bases, third in same game, he moves three bases. Fourth — well there is no fourth. You can’t intentionally walk a guy four times in a game. That way, the fans get to see a star or a hot hitter do what they paid to see — the guy hit, not jog to first. You can argue they’ll just pitch around him three times — same diff. But, I argue that pitching around allows for mistake pitches — and a guy can hit those….
Darren Ford reinstated from DL, optioned to Fresno, per Schulman.
This pitcher on San Diego (Frieri) has hit Scutaro and Ortiz with the bases loaded . . . 2 runs in thus far. You have to feel for a pitcher going through something like this. There probably isn’t a rock big enough to hide under . . .
The guy that came in to replace Frieri, Evan Scribner . . . Just gave up a single. When it rains, it pours.
This is becoming downright hilarious now . . . Mr. Scribner has now allowed another single and walked another run in. 8 runs scored so far. Yeah, a lot to be said for the finality of a Grand Slam, but a “Death of a thousand cuts” via walks, singles, and hit batters, is definitely worse.
This is fascinating . . . 10 runs scored in one inning. Not certain I have seen this ever before.
They have now scored 53 runs in the inning. Still batting……Scribner still pitching….
If you’re gonna have cheap fast food, in my book you can do a helluva lot worse than the $1.29 Big Burger from Carl’s.
Decent-sized patty, flame broiled, fresh bun.
I’m just sayin’…
Absolutely agree. If the Carls you are at has that cheezy mexican food option available, you can take the Big Burger and just apply some of the salsa or pico de gallo at the salsa bar to the plain burger, and you’ve got a winner…..
Loo, you will always be 100% gold to me, no matter what trade proposals you conjure up…..
San diggity— do u remember that hot dog I bought at ATT the game we went to? $9 or whatever? Yeah, I’d say u got a deal. If u don’t remember the dog, go to my Facebook page I posted a pic of it back then…
I remember it well! You were this close to causing a scene at the concession stand. My daughter got a hot dog the other day that was even worse. I told the kids it looked like the one Sabor Grande got at the Giants game.
They knew what I was talking about—God love ’em.
I just posted a pic of it in the main thread. Check it out. I’m still doing a slow burn over that!!!!!!