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Another W, The Contest is OVER And The Most Important Poll this Blog has Ever Seen

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 3, 2011

Ugly. Hot and Ugly. Around the 7th hole I thought I was gonna lose San Dog and had no idea how I was gonna break it to the blog that he died from heat stroke during a round of golf. But he bounced back and we had a kickass time. Looks like the Flappers nailed it…….



15 runs? 5+ hour game? Just another typical W for this team. Offensive contributions from unlikely offensive sources. But really, when you look at this line up, who among them strikes you as a *likely* source of offensive production? That’s actually one of the things that is hindering Sabean making a move—there are so many positions he could fill with a trade but each game one of the current guys pops up with production that makes him go “hmmm, maybe he’s turning it around.” But, it’s never real and they slip right back into a prolonged slump. But really, Sabean could trade for an OF, a 2nd baseman, a shortstop, a 1st baseman and/or a catcher and on paper it would be an instant upgrade……..

TedSpe has won the contest. He didn’t even need today’s stats for the win. Truth be told I was kinda rooting for San Dog a little bit. He and I are playing golf today and I thought it would be pretty amazing to also had him over tickets to a game. But it was not to be, Ted stole that from me. Goddamn you Ted….Ha.

And now to a new contest that really is just a poll, you will get nothing from me for winning. To handicap it for you, I haven’t played golf in nearly 3 years (though used to be able to shoot in the 80’s consistently) and  the round is at my dad’s club (home course knowledge). I’ve got no idea if San Dog has game but I’ve met him before and he looks like a player…….

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  1. dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 3, 2011 at 7:41 am

    Can’t disagree on the positional moves. This club has a 3rd baseman, 1st baseman and 1&1/2 outfielders. Otherwise every position is open for improvement.

    Had to go with your pops on the poll. Home course and all. Plus, apparently he’s big on proper attire. My dad is like that. It’s indicative of tons of time on the links.

  2. blade3colorado said, on July 3, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Yeah, I had to go with Bigger Flavor per Dirt’s analysis.

  3. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Who’s going to complete your foursome, Judge Smails?

  4. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Another 15-run salvo? I’d settle for a third of that for today…

    CF Rowand
    2B Burriss
    1B Sandoval
    DH Huff
    LF Ross
    RF Nate
    SS Crawford
    3B Tejada
    C Stewart

    P Vogelsong

  5. blade3colorado said, on July 3, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Dirt, if you are still around, I’ve proposed a “blockbuster trade” in the Flap.

    I know Dennis and his No Whitey’s are going, “OH OH!”

    • dirtnrocksnreno said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:17 am

      Blade, no offense intended. I know my writing can come across harsh sometimes. Kennedy and Cabrera are two early pickups I made when I saw the crap LU I was dealt and they’ve both turned out nice for me. I did deep research on both. Cabrera I figured The Tribe used to have Vizquel so hey why not? Kennedy was a total shot in the dark.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:32 am

        I understand – I wouldn’t keep asking about him (Cabrera) if I didn’t 🙂 Actually, he is on my other FL team and is a big reason why I have been in 1st place since the beginning of the season. My “Cabrera” in many ways has been Hardy in Baltimore . . . In fact, the Orioles are so concerned with him leaving at the end of the season (FA), they have initiated contract talks with him. Like I said in the trade proposal, SS is a vulnerable position (see Reyes thigh injury) and having a good one, much less two can make your team . . . Just not a lot of them around.

  6. Rough Trade said, on July 3, 2011 at 8:48 am

    So, is V pitching for a spot on the AST or does he have it locked up?

    • TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 8:54 am

      The decisions have already been made, most likely. But he does needs a couple more innings to be considerred “legit” so yeah he kind of is. Iif Bochy has penciled him in the roster, it would probably be to replace an ineligible person already selected due to injury or a disqualifying regular start.

  7. willieD said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:05 am

    i’d be surprised if vogs makes it, even to replace cain if he goes next sunday and isn’t allowed to pitch in the AS. I just hope he is better than last time out.
    Obviously, lot of good ABs last night, but burriss whacking a base hit to LF, along with Huff rbi hit, ross double, panda and crawford bombs stood out.
    Agree with flav, the kruk bromance with zito is disgusting. There isn’t a pitcher in the world that would not have come back with a freaking 6-0 lead, soon to be 10-0. the tigers swung at enough slop that the D was able to turn 3 DPs for him. But when your team scores fucking 15, it’s an automatic W. They got him 6 last time too….bum’s effort was much more impressive to me.

  8. stixwiz said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Just scant weeks ago there was a desperate scramble on this board with posters scanning every remote possibility to come up with a shortstop for this team. Dirt, i think you missed one in your position locks. Though last night’s game was an outrider offensively across the board, check out the offensive stats for Brandon Crawford. No, he’s not gonna score three and drive in as many on anything remotely approaching a regular basis. That would be purest fantasy. But his production can be taken as an indicator. With last night’s contributions his RP/AB (runs produced per at bat) has risen to a respectable .263 and his OBP to .315. Point is, these figures are quite acceptable for a fine defensive SS who happens to be a rookie who never did play in Triple A.

    To reiterate what i stated yesterday, because of his batting eye and selectivity at the plate, i’d like to see him and Burriss switch positions in the lineup. Crawford, who has a very decent 13-15 BB-K ratio, could draw a lot of bases on balls in the 2-hole ~much more useful than when batting in front of the pitcher.

    So my personal jury has found its verdict: Brandon Crawford is the shortstop for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.

  9. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Timmy, Horse, BW and Vogelsong named to the ASG.

    • TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:35 am

      NO Whitey????

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:52 am

        It’s an outrage! Congrats on winning your Giants tix. Which game you going to?

      • TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:13 am

        According to Flav’s specs, July 6th.

  10. twinfan1 said, on July 3, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Love that Correia made it,and deservedly…

  11. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:17 am

    I bet Flav can’t hit a 1-iron shot like Pablo just did. Hey, a freebie!

  12. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:21 am

    More freebies!

  13. TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:28 am

    The Men In Black…and Orange

  14. blade3colorado said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Vogelsong, and Brian Wilson are All-Stars. I wish Bochy would have selected Panda too.

    • zumie said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:39 am

      There just isn’t any way he could justify it, given how many games the Panda missed. I never like it when other managers like Bobby Cox, Joe Torre, and Charlie Manuel just utterly abused the privilege. I think Bochy got it just right.

    • TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:47 am

      Class, my friend. Bochy showed class.
      Despite the fact that he likes emulating the look of Walter Huston in TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE…

      • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:02 pm

        My father made me emulate the look of Walter Huston in “The Treasure of the Sierra Madre” once…once!

      • TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:06 pm


  15. TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:53 am


    • zumie said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:55 am

      Huh what?

    • TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 11:58 am

      Emotional gut post. Cody Ross. 20-20 aftersight, I see he was thinking “out” but he never considered the run

      • Rough Trade said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:10 pm


  16. willieD said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    OK, so where does vogs rank in NL ERA now that he is eligible?

  17. willieD said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    shoot…he needed to go 7 and a third, right?

  18. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Well, the Tigers gave us a couple of freebies and now we’ve reciprocated courtesy of the walk and Miggy’s arm. Or lack thereof…

  19. zumie said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Ah, Tejada…..

  20. twinfan1 said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I had a post ready for the vastly improved defense…that error went to Miggy but a real first baseman makes the scoop..tough SZ for Casilla.

    • willieD said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:51 pm

      until last inning and top of 8th, SF had out defended tigers all weekend.
      Kruk’s comment that tejada cost the giants the lead is out of line.

  21. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Now the Tigers decide to play a little defense? Bastards…

  22. zumie said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Just one of those “frustration” games. The Giants had chances to score more runs earlier, and let the Tigers hang around.
    The Giants have to be more patient with a runner on third and less than 2 out. Guys are trying to be the hero and swinging at pitches out of the strikezone.

  23. TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:55 pm


  24. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    As they say, “the walks will come back to haunt ya.” Boo!

    • willieD said, on July 3, 2011 at 1:06 pm

      I think affeldt, who is responsible for one of them, would wind up getting the L if SF doesn’t come back.

  25. Rough Trade said, on July 3, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Hasn’t been a great roadie for the normally stalwart pen.

  26. TedSpe said, on July 3, 2011 at 1:16 pm


  27. That's *mr* mrbill to you! said, on July 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Last of the road games for this pre-AS half, we finish 24-24. Not much to bitch about. Except the offense.

  28. twinfan1 said, on July 3, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    There’s always something to bitch about.

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 1:46 pm

      Like not getting my Sunday paper for the second week in a row. I’m pissed!

      • Nipper said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:37 pm

        Start shoveling that stuff in the barn.

  29. zumie said, on July 3, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    At least some good stuff happening in the Rockies game and the D-Backs game.
    And, yes, what a joke Coors field is, and no, Helton should never get within sniffing distance of the Hall of Fame.

  30. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 3, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I refrained from releasing my Bob Baffert “hot tip” of the day. He only paid 4/5. I think a “hot tip” should at least pay 2-1. Brigand was 2-1 on the ML. After that I have no control on the odds. I think the problem is Bob tells too many people when he has a “live” one…

  31. zumie said, on July 3, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    “National League Starting Line-up:

    The NL starting line-up will have the Braves Brian McCann (6) behind the plate, Milwaukee’s Prince Fielder (3) will play first and should feel a certain level of comfort with teammate Rickie Weeks (1) at second, Philadelphia’s Placido Polanco (2) will play third and the Mets Jose Reyes (4) will round out the infield at shortstop. The Brewer’s Ryan Braun (4), the Dodgers Matt Kemp (1) and the revitalized Lance Berkman (6) of the Cardinals will handle the starting outfield duties.

    NL Reserves:

    Houston’s lone All-Star selection came in outfielder Hunter Pence (2). Joining pence in alphabetical order are outfielder Jay Bruce (1) of the Reds, the Mets Carlos Beltran (6), Cubs shortstop Starlin Castro (1), St. Louis outfielder Matt Holliday (5), Atlanta third baseman Chipper Jones (7), Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina (3), Cincinnati second baseman Brandon Phillips (2), Florida first baseman Gaby Sanchez (1), Colorado Shortstop Troy Tulowitzki (2), Cincinnati first baseman Joey Votto (2) and Arizona outfielder Justin Upton (2).

    NL Pitching Staff:

    The National League will have four southpaws on their staff with a pair of teammates in Philadelphia’s Cole Hamels (2) and Cliff Lee (3). The other two lefties on the squad are the Dodgers Clayton Kershaw (1) and the Braves Jonny Venters (1). The remainder of the pitching staff is comprised off San Diego’s Heath Bell (3), the Giants Matt Cain (2), Washington’s Tyler Clippard (1), Philadelphia’s Roy Halladay (8), Pittsburgh’s Joel Hanrahan (1), Atlanta’s Jair Jurrjens (1), and San Francisco teammates Tim Lincecum (4), Ryan Vogelsong (1) and Brian Wilson (3).

    The Yankees have the most selections in the American League at 6 heading to the desert in Jeter, Rodriguez, Cano, Granderson, Martin, and closer Mariano Rivera. Boston, Detroit and the Rangers all had 4 selections. Texas’ 4 selections were Beltre, Hamilton, Wilson and Young.

    The National League All-Star selections were led by Philadelphia, Atlanta and San Francisco who all had 4 selections, with all the Giants players being pitchers. Milwaukee and Cincinnati both had three selections.”

  32. twinfan1 said, on July 3, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    I understood that Hamels has been replaced by Correia,

  33. PawlieKokonuts said, on July 3, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Detroit fired its pitching coach. Just imagine Dave Dombroski and Jim Leyland: “We give up 15 runs to the Giants? Heads must roll.”

  34. twinfan1 said, on July 3, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Is that a weather report or golf scores?

  35. Nipper said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    All STAR GAME is a waste of time. Sure at one time it was a “real” game but no more.

    • shaman_138 said, on July 4, 2011 at 7:37 am

      Even the fact that the winner gets home-field for the WS makes it irrelevant. Case in point: Where did the Giants win the Series last year?

      • xootsuit said, on July 4, 2011 at 9:41 am

        I agree, the Giants mowed down the Rangers in Texas by shutting down the AL DH-powered offense. Lincecum pitched the game of his career on Nov. 1. But I also think forcing the Rangers to deal with NL rules gave the Giants an edge. Remember Vlad in RF, game 1? The Rangers scrambled to find an alternative for game 2 and lost part of their power. After the Giants won game 2 (Cain’s game was a masterpiece, as well), the Rangers knew the best they could hope for was a return to China Basin for games 6 & 7. Not a good prospect. The home field advantage may have been slight, but the Giants used it in their favor — much to the delight of NL fans everywhere. The fair thing to do is to alternate home-field every year, given the vagaries of the AS voting. Insofar as an edge exists, it would even out.

  36. Big flavor said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    The scores weren’t impressive but the good times were. Sadly for my score, my greatest boast is that I didn’t lose a ball. At one point, I called ahead to my dad and warned “watch out I’m about to hit!” Having seen me hit about 27 trees already he goes “don’t worry, I’m in front of you.” Gold. Baby.

  37. eddacker said, on July 4, 2011 at 3:42 am

    By a mile
    there, I have sad it

  38. shaman_138 said, on July 4, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Tough loss….let’s write off the season now and go grab some hugs in Room B.

  39. willieD said, on July 4, 2011 at 8:48 am

    One of my pet peeves is watching guys have an AB like burrell did…let the very hittable first pitch fast ball go by for an strike, and then wave at two breaking balls down and away. I think kuiper said the best pitch he saw was the first one. And of course the one he struck out on was the worst of the bunch.
    Crawford hit his 3 run HR on the first pitch he saw…so did Tejada on the slam. In the book he did with reggie, gibson said if you allowed him to get ahead by taking a strike on the fastball, that meant you were guaranteed to have to hit the slider down and away.
    Pitchers who have complete game Ws always crow about “getting ahead, pounding the zone, throwing strikes”, or something like that. If they are throwing strikes, what are hitters doing?

    • Rough Trade said, on July 4, 2011 at 9:08 am

      It’s all a guessing game. Maybe the last time Pat faced the guy, he started him off with a split or a change. It explains why Zito can throw an 84 FB right past a good hitter.

  40. TedSpe said, on July 4, 2011 at 9:02 am

    With apologies to xoot for the method conveyed, HAPPY 4TH FLAPPERS!!!

    • Del Mar Dennis said, on July 4, 2011 at 9:27 am

      “Yankee Doodle went to London just to ride the ponies.” I was already there to bet on ’em.

    • TedSpe said, on July 4, 2011 at 10:15 am

      How’d ya do?

    • TedSpe said, on July 4, 2011 at 10:17 am

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  41. SanDawg said, on July 4, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Happy 4th Flappers! Golf with Flavor and his dad was a hoot. Flav can do things with a 9 iron (like hit it 195 yards) that will blow your mind. Flavor Sr. Talks like Bobby Bowden and is about as colorful as well–great guy to play a round with. Yes, I wilted in the heat like Ken Venturi at the US Open. (Except he walked 36 holes and won while I rode 18 and coughed up a 3 stroke lead at the turn. (He wasn’t drinking multiple beers on an empty stomach though!). Hats off to Flav for playing “irons only” on the backside to pull out the win.

  42. Flavor said, on July 4, 2011 at 10:39 am

    thanks dude, had fun with you too. I’ll make it down to San Diego one of these days.

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