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Sabean is ON it……

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 20, 2011

I appreciated Sabean’s honesty yesterday when he said, basically, that this team is lucky to be where they are, that the offense sucks and he’s looking to upgrade any position whenever he can. Now THAT is a GM who isn’t content to sit back on last year’s laurels and who realizes we have little to no chance this post season if we go into it with the offense we have now. Keppinger is a start, though a slow one. Baggs mentioned Cuddyer but I am not that big of a fan. Again, he’s better than what we have and maybe that’s all we need, but I am leery of guys switching leagues mid season—that can always go either way and I don’t think he’s ever played in the NL. Regardless, he’s on the phone and he’s totally clued in to the upgrades that are mandatory if we are to get through the first round of the playoffs and beyond…..

While it’s nice to see him working a deal, he’s going to have to catch up to the fact that he can’t trade the Henry Sosa’s of the system and get anything more than the “Keppinger’s” of the world. I know he doesn’t want to trade Wheeler but he needs to consider it. At the very least send a *Neal* or two somewhere. As long as we bump the quality of this offense up a little more we will have a realistic shot at repeating. And who wouldn’t trade Wheeler if it meant another run like last year?

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  1. blade3colorado said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Per Yahoo Sports, “Nate Schierholtz is on a binge: he’s posted a .423 average and .538 slugging percentage in nine games as the cleanup man.

  2. gianthead said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:04 am

    This is one of the few times I have disagreed with you Flav….

    Grabbing Keppinger was a savy move by Sabean….they did not sit on the pot, but picked up a need immediately and gave up a pitcher that looks like he topped out in the minors. Now no need to go after Uribe and eat $14 mill plus for the next 2 years.

    People were screaming about the pitcher we gave up for Freddie Sanchez two years ago and where is he? He is so forgotten that I can’t remember his name.

    No way we are dealing Wheeler. This is a team headed to walking away with the division and now with a legit shot at having the best record in the NL. No need to sell the store to get one more piece. Twins are not moving Cuddyer and I think Sabean should walk away from Beltran. A vet catcher is another needed upgrade.

    Belt should be given first base until he struggles. His offensew could be what Buster brought to the table last year. We had no hitter last year as hot as Panda is right now. Huff should play left against righties and Ross against lefties in left and right. Rowand can pick up some starts against lefties till Burrell is back on the roster.

  3. Kevin said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:43 am

    I have to go with GH here, no reason to sell the farm to repeat. I will say this again, I want the Giants to be competitive for years to come, Flav will you stop being a Giants fan if they win 2 in a row and then go in the tank?? I don’t think so. That is not your style. I think the Giants can be contenders for a long time if they continue to build from their farm system. Sabes picking up players on the cheap is fine.

  4. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Sell the farm so some of us won’t end up having bought it watching this wretched offense.

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:18 am

      Soph copies your posts word for word.

  5. big flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Our farm system is good. It’s not like it’s Wheeler and then a black hole. For the right guy, I’d give him away in a nano-second…….

    • willieD said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:32 am

      I’m sure sabes would too, but not for a rental with health issues last few years.
      At what positions is sabes getting less than advertised? 1b (solved by belt if he can hit vs. teams other than LA), C (tough one, not a lot of good options yet), SS/2b (keppinger plus font, solid if unspectacular) OF (except that torres is heating up, with some pop, and your MVP is doing well too except for last night)…so who is this “right guy”?
      Who is everyone so worried about? I don’t get how SF is doomed in the playoffs. We have lefties to deal with Philly, and Braves best hitter mccann is also a lefty. Braves aren’t a power club, either. Philly does not hit well here, and has not upgraded their offense…if anything losing Werth (who homered at ATT to RF) for ibanez, francisco and dom brown takes them down a notch. Braves pen is good, but ours is better than philly.
      Offense is down everywhere…pitching rules, and SF has more of it than anyone, imo

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:18 am

      BF wants some action!

  6. unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:28 am

    The thing is, most ‘right guys’ are rentals. At least the ones being tossed around as of now.

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:19 am

      Perceptive Chuck!

  7. Rough Trade said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:32 am

    As far as potential top of the rotation guys, is there anyone else besides Wheeler in the system?

  8. Rough Trade said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Everyone keeps bringing up catcher…Note: Sabean said the market is “almost nonexistent.” Not surprising at all.

    • gianthead said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:51 am

      Pudge is avaiable. Nats were trying to game the trade market to get more than he is worth…by the trade deadline, he will be avaiable on the cheap. What other playoff contender needs a cathcer? Maybe the Yankees, but there are no others that woud be competing with the Giants for his services.

      • Kevin said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:27 am

        NO, NO, NO, just say no to Pudge!! that is not an upgrade at all!!

  9. gianthead said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:44 am

    #1, this team has been very lucky that we have avoided any major arm injurites to our starters. Will we continue to be so lucky? Also, from a financial perspective, with Cain and Lincecum on the verge of getting major and long-term dollars and still having Zito for two more big years, I have been of the belief that JSanchez will be the odd man out on the big payday. Plus I think Boras is his agent.

    So if potentially we move Sanchez next year or before the 2013 season, we need another young gun in the rotation. They don’t grow on trees. Plus will the amazing Vogelsong be eligible for free agency after this season? Plus no guarantees he is still as effective in 2013.

    Therefore, for financial and rotation reasons, you have to hold onto Wheeler. Come 2013, Brian Wilson will also be getting big dollars and we need to lock up Panda for as long as we can….
    t

  10. unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:53 am

    If Sabean is thinking of a deal, I’d think it ISN’T someone like Beltran or Reyes. It’ll be for someone under contract for a couple years. And, just by his talk, it sounds like the odd man out would be Jonathan Sanchez.

    Eric Surkamp will likely move to AAA this year. Maybe even a taste after September 1. He’s been pretty solid at all his stops so far.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:53 am

      This is for RT . . .

      • Rough Trade said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:40 am

        I don’t think Surkamp is viewed as a top of the rotation guy.

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:20 am

      Trading Sanchez again?

  11. stixwiz said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Wheeler is doing ok, but not spectacular at San Jose. Great potential. Young. Control problems. Personally, i’m more taken with Surkamp at Richmond who is a lefty and whose stats across the board are very strong to dominant. Big guy. Not the premium draft choice so he doesn’t get the attention. Maybe the Houston door is still ajar. Wheeler, Gary Brown and Conor Gillaspie for Hunter Pence? Toss in Ross to fill the gap for the Stros immediate needs and Wade could be very tempted. Giants would still have an excellent starter prospect, loss of a premium OF prospect is very well covered. No probable need for help at third and Cody would be upgraded.

    OR, instead of Wheeler, the pitcher could be Sanchez, but the young OF would be Neal rather than Brown. Sabean could be looking at something like the Matt Williams deal where the Giants got Kent plus, plus, plus. Only this time SF would be seeking the premium upgrade and Houston would fill several holes.

  12. Kevin said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:34 am

    All I know is that the Giants are in first place, beating teams they are suppose to beat, Dodgers, Pads, etc, and hanging with the top teams. Giants didn’t have a hell of alot of offense last year during the regular season and they don’t have it this year. The Giants offense was just good enough to win it all last year, the streak hitters got hot when they needed them. If Belt sticks this time and Keppinger shows anything… maybe being on a contender he will be like Ross and just tear it up for the Giants, who knows. Once again the Giants make it to the playoffs and anything can happen.

  13. Rough Trade said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I expected Wheeler to be more dominant at this point. Curious how the G’s feel about his progress. He’s not as far along as Bum and Cain were in A+ ball, though that might not be a fair comparison.

  14. snarkk said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Sabes is not going to give up top farm talent to get a rental. Just won’t happen, and it shouldn’t. If he did give up a Wheeler, it would be to get a middle of the road player that can help, but is under control for at least another year, and fits in with next year or two’s potential roster movements. Pudge would be a minor defensive upgrade, but offensively, a push with the current guys. I don’t see that he would add a helluva lot of value to the equation, plus he’d have to learn all the pitchers quickly, which might put some of them out of sorts. I’d pass on that. They smartly brought Belt up to see if he’s ready to contribute. If he continues to hit, the shopping list before the deadline shrinks considerably, especially now that the middle IFer need is met with Keppinger…

    • Rough Trade said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:03 am

      Middle of the road type? What’s the point in doing that?

    • snarkk said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:07 am

      With current pitching, that’s all they need. They don’t need Beltran for two months in exchange for a top prospect. I’d give up a Wheeler and something else for a Bourn way before I’d do it for Beltran…

      • snarkk said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:07 am

        Bourn is under control through at least next year….

  15. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Have you guys seen Keppinger’s numbers vs lefties? .421 average, 1.137 OPS in 38 at-bats this yr.
    .337/.386/.498 slash line in 546 such at-bats for his career. Say hello to Mr. Kershaw, Jeff.

    • stixwiz said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:10 am

      Good point about Kepp vs Kershaw, Dennis. While looking up his stats yesterday i noticed that Keppinger eats lefties for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

  16. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Wheeler is the only projected top of the rotation starter in the system.,so the idea of trading him for a rental is utter stupidity, as is trading DIrty for a rental. Let’s remember that it’s only been in the last week or so that Flavoro and Doomin’ Denny and others are finally acknowledging what I said in March- the Giants will win the division with ease.,
    So now they’re jumping on some Sabean comments, which maybe more intended to light a fire under a couple guys asses than anything else. The Giant are in better shape this year than last, my poor dunderheads, and in fact are in pretty good shape to actually finish with the best record in the league.
    Keppinger? He’s an upgrade only in the sense that he strenghtens a putrid bench by sitting Fontenot if they hang with Crawford. He’s no better than Font and Mike has more pop.
    The catching position was blown this winter by not getting one of a half dozen or more upgrades to Whitey. I guess thay presumed that Buster was immune to injury. Stupid..
    Anyway, they’ll win the division and Panda, the prayed for miracle of continuing success from Grok, plus Belt, Ross, and Torres, the line up is easily good enough to make a run through the postseason again. If they can pick up a Pence for less than blue chippers, all the better…

    • stixwiz said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:17 am

      Value for value, Twin. Of course i wouldn’t drop Wheeler for a rental. Do the Giants need yet another top of the rotation starter? Wheeler has potential while Surkamp has provided results. Wade would be lynched in Houston if he traded off Pence for anything less than blue-chippers. Sometimes you just can’t chip and cheap your way to excellence. Only way i’d trade top prospects would be for a major positional upgrade by a young stud. Needless to say Sanchez too is worth more than a rental.

  17. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:24 am

    “Wade would be lynched in Houston if he traded off Pence for anything less than blue-chippers”
    Then we don’t do a deal. Duh…they don’t need Pence if it takes blue chippers. Comprendre?
    BTW, Dennis, ,maybe some ofthe others you sent it to actually appreciate spam, I don’t. Take me out of your address book.

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:30 am

      Sending spam? I don’t believe it!

  18. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Looks like his flight’s delayed. Keppinger not in starting lineup. Today’s might be an all-time Bochy worst.

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:27 am

      Grab a cold one Dennis and stroke your cute miniature ponies.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:30 am

      Knock off the spam. Trust me-I’m not the right guy to send it to.

  19. Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:26 am

    “My poor dunderheads” is very apt. Patience is needed and prudence too!

  20. TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:35 am

    People were screaming about the pitcher we gave up for Freddie Sanchez two years ago and where is he? He is so forgotten that I can’t remember his name.
    —————————————————————————————————————
    That got me curious, GH, so I looked it up. It was Tim Alderson who’s pitching in AA Altoona (Pittsburgh affiliate, still) right now and apparently never had a cup of coffee. For 2011, 0W-2L, 2.87 ERA, 1.162 WHIP

  21. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Who was screaming? The funny part is how does Sabean claim any fucking credit? He goes to the boss and says he got a starting second baseman for a piece of shit prospect?
    “Uh, Brian, didn’t you draft this piece of shit”?

  22. zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Pablo’s out today with a minor injury; the two biggest contenders for the play that he got injured on would be that break up of the doubleplay at secondbase, or his sprint down the line to beat out the infield hit.
    That play at second almost injured TWO people, as Furcal was hung out to dry by the slowest throw I’ve ever seen a pitcher throw to secondbase. The throw was so slow it messed up Pablo, too, because he got stuck in an awkward position going after the secondbaseman. The fielder and runner both had the rhythm of the play messed up by the lollipop throw.

  23. unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Yeah, he got a knee to the thigh on that rainbow to 2nd it looked like.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:05 pm

      Well, Panda says it was running out the dribbler . . .

      • zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:12 pm

        It’s one of the things about this sport- the player has to sometimes go from standing around and sitting around, to a full-on sprint. It’s not like that in other sports.

      • TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:21 pm

        Football’s like that

      • zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:29 pm

        The gaps between the sprints in football aren’t usually very long, though. How many times is a baseball player going to be called upon to sprint full-speed, on average, in a game? I guess, theoretically, they should sprint to first on every out, but they don’t, for fear of doing what Pablo did. But maybe if they DID sprint to first every time, it wouldn’t happen as often.

      • TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:34 pm

        The gaps are as long in football because you either play offense or defense. Not both.
        But I’m probably picking a nit

  24. zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Didn’t Pete Rose used to sprint to first after a base on balls? That was either really cool and inspiring, or the biggest example of fake-hustle in the sport.

  25. TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    According to someone named Bill Arnold, the Giants are the only team in the majors, Triple A or even the Mexican league that lacks a hitter with 10 homeruns. And yet there they are, 1st place, 4 1/2 games up, 16 games above .500

    • zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:49 pm

      Yeah- Huff had 17 homeruns last year at the All-Star break.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm

        And they were how many games behind ?

      • TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 2:05 pm

        4?

  26. zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Nicely done, Timmy! Pitched through the errror.

    • zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 12:53 pm

      Think I have enough “r”s in that word.

  27. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Not much respect for the Mudbug-and Kuiper was wrong, even if they walked Crawford, worst case Torrres leads off next inning instead of Timmy.

  28. stixwiz said, on July 20, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Had conked out after disconnecting puter with yet another thunderstorm rolling in. Heat, humiliated relatives and deerflies are through the roof. Woke up to sunshine and realized the game was on. Figured it had to be at least the fourth inning with these two starters going and that between them the two teams probably had amassed a total of three hits. Was a bit off. It was the top of the 5th and the Dogs had three hits all by themselves and the Giants with only a single single.

  29. Bozo said, on July 20, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Dang, Timmy is like Houdini out there today.
    Go get some runs now Giants.

  30. unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Houdini just drowned . . .

    • Bozo said, on July 20, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      Yeah, I kinda jinxed that one.

  31. unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Shit. Kershaw’s killing ’em . . .

    • zumie said, on July 20, 2011 at 3:13 pm

      Giants have had a few opportunities. No clutch hits so far, though.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 3:24 pm

        Kershaw had a little to do with it.

  32. Kevin said, on July 20, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Pitching duel and Kershaw won the battle. but the Giants are going to win the war!!

    • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 3:29 pm

      The first two wins ended the Bum season.

  33. TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    I think blade has stated it best in the past by stating….pffft!!

  34. wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Reports down here is Pence is the one guy that Houston will try to build around…Any deal for him would have to be an overpay…Bourn more likely to be moved and wont cost as much.

  35. wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Of course I just read that the Astros incoming owner wants to get payroll down to $60mm…If that’s the case, Pence may be gone….Stix proposal of Wheeler, Brown and Gillaspie is a little much…Maybe Wheeler or Brown and Gillaspie plus another ML arm.

  36. Big flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Agreed Wilco. Id do that deal. Can someone explain why it took so long for keppinger to get here? The dude crushes lefties, this deal is done yesterday at 2pm and we can’t get him here in time for the game?

    • TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 4:56 pm

      Flight delay

    • Sierra Nevada said, on July 20, 2011 at 4:58 pm

      I was wondering what the hell took so long as well. I am sure the delay was probably not Keppinger’s fault, but the Giants sent him a message by getting him dressed and up to bat as soon as he arrived from the airport. And that message is: “Listen up, he main difference between the losing teams you are used to playing for and this one is not so much talent level, or sellouts at every game (although those are differences certainly) but a sense of urgency.”

  37. wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I still beleive that if your going to trade prospects, trade them for bats that are under control…Otherwise the Giants will be stuck overpaying for the likes of guys like Rowand and Werth (Rowand Jr) via free agency…Pitchers will flock to cavernous AT&T …Hitters not so much.

  38. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “I still beleive that if your going to trade prospects, trade them for bats that are under control”
    Teams don’t want to trade those guys .I really thought you guys understood that by now..

    • wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      They will when their in salary dump mode, of which the Astros are.

  39. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    A ML arm, Brown or Wheeler, and Gillaspie for Pence? What ML arm? If you’re talking a starting pitcher, you’re nutz…

  40. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    I think we need an exploratory committee to find out why Keppinger didn’t fly out last night.This is huge.

    • TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:27 pm

      It was the long, touching and sad farewell to his 3 kids. Boontank, Skeezle and Mergatroid

  41. Big flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    He said “wheeler or brown and Gillespe”. And I’d still do that for pence. I’d give em Neal and Gillespe for bourn…..so kepp gets paid about 14k a gm I would think the giants would make sure he gets here on time the day they start paying him. Who’s out traveling secretary? George costanza?

  42. Bozo said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    We lost the one, ain’t no thing. As twin pointed out, we probably put Old Yeller down last night (although, putting that dog down has been tough in the past). As it is, with the off day tomorrow, Keppinger gets to go out with the guys for some beers at MoMos and bond (whatever). Sabes is not done, and neither are the Giants. It’s going to be a whacky ride but you know, it’s going to be well worth that E ticket.

  43. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    He said Wheeler or Brown , Gillaspie, “and another ML arm”. And Wheeler or Brown is hardly a comparable choice. The reason we have Vogelsong is because the farm didn’t have ready starters. Trading a couple would be insane. Briown, fine,. he;’s not as good as Peguero anyway.

  44. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Brown, Gillaspie, and choice of any other Fresno player except Hector.

    • wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      When I said ML arm, I meant minor league.

  45. TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Oooookay

    http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=6783180

    • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm

      Here’s the card:
      brian

      • Flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:43 pm

        i think that card is fucking awesome.

  46. Flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Krukow was on KNBR surprised at how the first two games went, thinking the Dodgers would come into our house with a do or die attitude. I laughed. I think the Dodgers are hugely distracted by all the peripheral stuff and as soon as a payday is threatened (even if it’s just talk) the players are probably a lot more concerned about that than playing winning baseball every day……

    • TedSpe said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:40 pm

      Actually, I read the same thing in the paper and even here on the Flap that they were coming to town guns-a-blazing. At least in attitude if not execution

      • Flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:48 pm

        that’s just old school thought process going on. I could see the likes of Kemp, Loney, Ethier etc giving up their focus rather easily if their dough gets threatened. You guys have no idea how much the best of the LA whores cost…….

  47. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I think Snarkk said the Bums would be all out.

  48. Flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    faux guns, sans blaze…

  49. snarkk said, on July 20, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I thought they would be all out. Kershaw was, the rest — well, some good pitching by the Giants had something to do with it. I also said the SFers needed to win the series, and that would put LA out of its misery. They did, and they are…

  50. snarkk said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Kershaw’s shutout shows why Sabes knows he needs another bat. In the post-season, you’re going to get top pitching thrown at you like today. Our hurlers are up to the task, like today, but you’ve got to be able to put something on the board to succeed. This offense so far looks like it could be smothered in a series with Phil or Atlanta type pitching…

  51. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Kershaw’s shut out just proved he’s a great young pitcher and was at his best, nothing more..
    The Bums needed a sweep, as I said, and even that would have harmed the Giants more than helped them.
    Anyway, Bochy can start thinking about his playoff rotation. nobody is making a move on them.

    • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:41 pm

      And they lost 1-0 with Panda and the guy who spanks lefties (Keppinger) both out. As I’ve said, another bat would be nice but not necessary if it takes a blue chipper to get it.

  52. stixwiz said, on July 20, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Twin, you beat me to it cussin on accounta i felt need to read through the backlog since heading off to the local watering hole for Grain Belt, burger and fries. Too hot with wood cookstove to do it at home. Exactly, with LU sans Panda and Keppinger. Just enough edge for Kershaw. Otherwise the pairing with Timmy was about as close to dead even as you can get. As good as anyone Philly and Atlanta is gonna start in the postseason.

    No big sweatskies about the loss. Going into the series my feeling was kinda leery about Kershaw, though it could have been Lady B. or even DLR. But the feeling was Giants would go 2-1 in the series. Team will need to bitchslap the Snakes a bit to convince em as to who’s boss, but the rest of the Division done rolled over and croaked.

    Belt may have been a bit overmatched by Kershaw today, but who wasn’t? I think he’ll do just fine against Milwaukee pitching over the weekend and may have some fun in the Philly and Cincy bandboxes. Team only needs to play .500 ball on that roadtrip to be looking real good going into the homestretch. Offense has been bolstered, defense is tight and pitching remains da Bomb of baseball. If there are no upcoming major injuries the Giants should cruise through the Division and have a slightly better than .500 shot in the NLDS. Another bat would be reassuring against Philly. One blue chip plus change for a young stud hitter would be fine by me.

  53. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Depends on what one considers a blue chipper. Wheeler is, Brown isn’t. If they can get a hitter for Brown and another 3-star like Runzler or Neal, I’m fine with it. Deal Wheeler and they’re left with finesse lefty Surkamp and some A kids..

    • wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm

      My guess is that on the next BP or BA rankings, Brown will move to the top of the heap in terms of Giants top prospects…Right now I would go Brown, Pegeuro, Wheeler and then a big drop off to Culberson, Surkamp, Dominguez, etc…

      • Big flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm

        Yes

      • Rough Trade said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:19 pm

        FWIW, Baseball America Midseason prospect list top 50 report ranked Brown at 33 and Wheeler 35th.

  54. unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Yeah, this was the travel day lineup sans travel. They got the first 2, so job 1 was taken care of.

    Getting Panda some time off to rest up for Friday was in order. Sux Timmy loses a tough matchup like this, but hey, still in 1st, got a new piece to work wth, still goood to go.

    • ewisco said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:46 pm

      lincicum took one for the team here, with the weakened lineup. that’s why the cy young has moved from straight wins/losses to something more appreciative of a start like this. good opponent, weak lineup and you still gave your team a chance to win.

  55. Del Mar Dennis said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    The Snakes just lost S. Drew to a fractured ankle. Maybe we can win the division after all…

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:51 pm

      Feed your ponies. Go drink some brew!

  56. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I think Gary has hit about .230 or so the last month….Funny,I guess, won’t really know if they need the mythical big bat unless they don’t get it. However, how many were thrilled with Burrell and Ross, who cost nothing? Sabes works well in the bargain cellar.

    • Big flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:51 pm

      Garko? Hillenbrand?

      • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:51 pm

        Hey no bad vibes.

      • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:09 pm

        Torres, Uribe, Huff, Burrell. Ross, Lopez, Ramirez…( Huff on the first contract, you remember- the one that helped them get the championship)..3 or 4 more. bad effort, Flavor. Off to “B” for the night.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:02 pm

      Well, last year, all Sabes touched turned to gold. Ray, Huff, Burrell, Ross, Casilla, Ramirez, Fontenot, and even Guillen all played a big part in getting it done. No one thought very highly of any of them.

      In the next couple weeks, there will be guys to pick up without letting too much go. Keppinger is the start to all this . . . There are a lot of teams currently toast, so, let the fun begin . . .

  57. wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Further proof that PCL stats don’t mean shit…Cody Ransom (remember him) who has hit 9 career HR’s in 304 big league AB’s is batting .330, 25, 86 for AAA Reno.

    • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:52 pm

      Yeah but you’re keeping a look at him.

    • Big flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:53 pm

      Maybe it’s the park. It’s a beauty…

      • wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:10 pm

        True dat…A few years ago I was staying at your second home; the El Dorado…Had a tower room with a birds eye view of the field…I think I was there in November, wishing it was summer time..Cool park!

    • unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:55 pm

      Yeah, I saw his name the other day and was surprised he’s still working his way back to the bigs.

  58. Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Minor league ball means something if you’re young and developing. It means something for the fans that attend the games too. Real close up ball at affordable prices.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:04 pm

      So, you like balls up close?

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      • Nipper said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:05 pm

        BLEEP!

  59. paulinasia said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Not apropos of anything, but speaking of the minors… During my days in Boston, used to love going down to Pawtucket, Rhode Island, to see the AAA Sox, just a warm, homey, small-town carnival atmosphere. But my favorite is actually not official MLB minors but a semi-pro league (Atlantic League?, something like that), with teams up and down the east coast for players who probably will never make it and also players who did sort of make it but now were just playing for the love of the game.

    In Somerville, New Jersey, the team is the Somerset Patriots. Fans all know each other, it’s like a big family picnic. Last time I went when I was visiting my brother there, what a kick to see Sparky Lyle managing the team. There was even a player for the Patriots who just a few years before had been on the Giants’ ’02 World Series team (or around that time).. Tom Goodwin, I think his name was. Done forever in the majors, but still swiping bases for the Somerset Patriots. Sometimes a player disappears and no one really knows if he got picked up by some team, or just… faded away…. like a home run shot disappearing into the hot humid New Jersey twilight…

  60. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    The best prospects spend a minute or two in AAA.

  61. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Hillenbrand? Digging deep. Worst part was giving up Future All-Star and HOF closer Jeremy Accardo..

    • twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:26 pm

      Shea was Gallaraga compared to Flap favorite Ryan “Good AB” Garkkles…

  62. twinfan1 said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Night all.

  63. wilcojoe said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Just for shits and giggles I had to check out where Garko is now…Go to wikipedia and look up the roster of the Samsung Lions…You can’t miss his name.

  64. Flavor said, on July 20, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Garko and that pitcher….Iron Head Joe. Can’t remember his last name. He went to Korea I think……


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