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The Giants are Winning the Super Bowl

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 31, 2012

I hear many of the local talk-radio callers saying they aren’t going to be watching the Super Bowl. I don’t get that at all. It’s the freaking Super Bowl. I haven’t missed a Super Bowl since……I don’t know how young I was. Whether you care about the game or not or ever understand football, everyone I have ever known carves out the time to watch this game. It’s an event that’s becomes the excuse you need to do whatever: drink. Eat lots of cheese. See old friends. Gamble. Ah, gamble…..

It’s not a stretch to say that neither one of these teams *deserve* to be here. Ha, there’s that word again: DESERVE. It’s a loaded word that suggests a lot more than it actually means. In this case, it simply means that neither team is invincible. Far from it. If Evans *makes a play* instead of having a play made on him, Baltimore is in the Super Bowl. If Kyle Williams….nevermind, not gonna go there……..

Bottom line is that these are the two teams in the Super Bowl. My analysis on this game is pretty simple. I think the Gaints defense is significantly better than New England’s and I think that New England’s offense isn’t THAT much better than the Giants—Eli has too many weapons and is playing too good for Brady to have a huge edge here. Eli’s magnificent play in the Niner game didn’t get nearly the credit it deserved—in horrendous weather he dealt with a hellacious pass rush virtually the entire game. He was hit 20 times. And yet he kept wiggling and worming his way out of trouble, doing just enough at the right time to keep the ball and move the offense. Against a sh!tty New England defense, he’ll thrive. And we saw what Brady did against a good defense last week. Not much. The Giants defense is at least in the same ballpark as Baltimore’s………

And here’s another nugget that cannot be ignored. New England is a paper tiger. An easier schedule they could not have had. They went 13-3 this year. Of their 13 wins, they didn’t beat a single team who ended the season with a winning record. Not one. Their 3 losses were to Buffalo, Pittsburgh and the Giants–2 of those 3 had season ending winning records and the third, Buffalo, was 2-0 at the time they played them. Granted, the Patriots finally beat a team with a winning record last week, but they needed a brilliant defensive play late (ha, don’t count on too many of those from that crap defense) and a surreal field goal miss by the Baltimore kicker to win it.

I don’t think the Giants are that much better. But they’re 3 point underdogs.  They will beat New England this Sunday by at least 3 points and as many as 13………


Retro Action

It’s August 20th 1986. Krukow is facing off against a journeyman named Don Carman. I don’t remember him. Kruk went 10 innings and took the loss 1-0. Ouch.

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  1. Giant Head said, on January 31, 2012 at 6:15 am

    Seems like an easy bet…Giants defense is a lot better than the Patriots..27-24 Giants and I like the under…

  2. Alleykat said, on January 31, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Nah…Takin the Patriots,You give Bill Bellichk an extra week to prepare,forget about it. Coughlin is a joke, that could of been fired mid season.Brady will slice their secondary apart, Pats 31-17…Brady get’s his 4th ring.

  3. Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 7:37 am

    If there ever was a game that I’d like to see both teams lose, this would be it. I had the same feeling with the As and Dodgers WS.

    Coin toss – Tails never fails
    National Anthem – Taking the under (under 2 min.)
    America the Beautiful – This one is a toss up, but I think I’m going with the Over.
    First pick – Pats, 2nd quarter. Eli serves up this gift, wrapped with a bow.
    I’m actually leaning towards the Pats to win but not cover the spread at 3 1/2 . And like GH, I’d go with the under.
    Now, if anyone thinks I know what I’m talking about, you’re nuttier than a soph cake.

    • Nipper said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:32 am

      His name is Allie

  4. Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 7:54 am

    I’m not a big fan of Haikus but I always thought this one was funny
    A strange poetry
    Haiku ! Gesundheit.

  5. Nipper said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:16 am

    A 9-7 team wins the Super Bowl? Regular season really means something!

  6. willieD said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:24 am

    NE actually played pretty decent D last week, and won despite Brady having an off day, which was the opposite of what everyone thought possible. He is fully capable of beating a good D, and has plenty weapons to do it with Don’t forget, NY lost to the deadskins and had dallas hand them a game they were getting their ass kicked.. eli was given a pretty good gift twice last week by getting the ball in FG rangeand got scores when he didn’t drive the ball down the field.
    I honestly don’t know anyone who likes pretty boy Brady, but he wins games and is a more consistent performer than eli. Guarantee his wide outs catch more than one pass this week.
    Bozo–“taking the under” on the anthem. Oh man, if it’s one of these young chick singers who love to try and show off their voice, no way. I hate it when somebody decides it’s cool to do the 10 minute version. Only hope is whoever is doing it has at least half a brain larger than Christina Aguilera and can actually remember the words.

    • Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:37 am

      Willie, since 9/11 they started adding America the Beautiful before the anthem and that song almost always gets stretched out (It’s even written that way), so they usually try and push the anthem now. Gotta get those commercials in, you know.

      • Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:49 am

        I think Christina had money on the under. If I remember correctly, besides messing up words she left off a whole verse.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:53 am

        Yeah, and Yankees started to milk it and break any momentum of their opponents, change the pace if they were losing, especially. I find it unctuous and rather contrived; formulaic. And if you’d rather hear “Take Me Out to the Ballgame,” you’re a commie traitor?? (I tend to like the hymnal attributes of “America the Beautiful” — so it ain’t that I’m opposed to the sentiments.)

      • Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 11:11 am

        Pawlie – I hate that they started using America the Beautiful in the seventh inning stretch. The song is fine but I agree, that’s Take Me Out to the Ballgame time. After a few years the Giants started using it only on the Sunday games, not sure what the reasoning behind that was.

  7. twinfan1 said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I don’t care if someone chooses to watch the Super Bowl and it’s none of my business whether they do or don’t. In perhaps the first good idea he’s ever had, Snarkk mentioned the Puppy Bowl.
    Bottom line is about a billion people could give a shit about the SB but we don’t judge your viewing habits. Go Augusta!

    • Nipper said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:39 am

      I love the Puppy Bowl!

  8. twinfan1 said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Well, if you weren’t allowed to gamble, puke on the couch, and kick the dog, what’s left ? Might as well watch the guy on Emergency ER with the pole in his head…

    • Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:50 am

      Now that just cracked me up big time.

  9. twinfan1 said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Oh, I’m sure I’ll watch it, but who can possibly care who wins? Rooting for either is like pulling for Exxon…

    • Nipper said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:31 am

      Whatever happen to those Exxon stations?

  10. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Deserve is a strong word, but the Giants are the luckiest fucking team out there. As in 1990 when Craig fumbled to give them the NFC championship, and Norwood missed the FG after the Giants were dominted by Buffalo. Gift Super Bowl there. And not only because of this last NFC champioship game. They were in what turned out to be a weak-ass division. The Cowboys folded like a K-Mart tent and gave the Giants a game, Philly cratered 2 separate times, and NY was beaten by the Skins in week 15, when they were supposedly coming back to life.

    Granted, the Niners shouldn’t have let them hang around, but that one bounce changed the entire game. It bounces a different way, and the Niners more than likely win. Yeah, it was a huge mistake in a game that had a few of them.

    Great day to hit the mountains and watch the game after a nice day of skiing. It just pisses me off that the Niners were that close, and are now watching from the outside. Like I said, I hope the Giants get the shit beat out of them. I think Belichick can figure something out.

  11. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:35 am

    31-14 NE . . .

  12. Kevin said, on January 31, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Yeah, for me I am going with Brady. I think the pressure of being in Indie, his brothers home turf, and the expectation to win will be too much for young Eli. IMO. so NE wins. 28-17

  13. Macdog said, on January 31, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Flav, you’ve liked the Giants all through the playoffs (well, maybe not quite so much last week), so I hope like hell you’re right one more time. I’m not real comfortable with a lot of “experts” saying the Giants are not only winning, but that they’re the better team. Jeez, New England is 13-3 for a reason. Yes, their schedule was soft, but they beat the crap teams like they’re supposed to do and earned the home field. And it’s not like the Giants blew them out in midseason, it really came down to who had the ball last.

    Do both these teams “deserve” to be in Indy? I’ll just say this: Like the Giants and Pats last week, the Niners and Ravens could have easily lost their respective games in the divisional round. But they didn’t, they found a way to win close games. Or else who knows, we could’ve had a Saints-Texans Super Bowl.

  14. TedSpe said, on January 31, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Well, if you need an excuse to watch the game you can always root for the Giants just to hope Brady doesn’t catch up with Montana in Super Bowl wins

  15. Flavor said, on January 31, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Again, I don’t think people are giving Eli enough credit for his efforts against the Niners insane D and Brady, in my opinion, is getting TOO MUCH credit for what he might do based off past experiences. He’s hardly been perfect in his playoff career. Everyone is like “Ohhhh, watch out for Belichek!!!!” But he had 2 weeks to prepare for them in 2007, they were 12 pt favorites and the Giants STILL beat them. Manning has further matured and is playing at his peak right now with 3 stud receivers.
    In contrast, Brady said Grankowski just took his boot off. Good luck with that. Sorry, but I think the Giants are just a better team right now with a better defense. The Giants also have taken the harder road to get here. Right now, I’m leaning much closer to the 13 pt margin of victory than the 3 pt margin of victory for the Giants and I will of course be putting my money where my mouth is…..

  16. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 10:56 am

    No, NE is a cream puff pretty much. They lucked out wildly when Denver beat Pittsburgh. And they got lucky as well in their win over Baltimore.

    In the battle of lucky teams, NE wins.

    For all the wonderfull shit Eli did (3rd down conversions, keeping plays alive, blah blah blah), he scored 10 points without help. Smith had the bigger plays. That’s why I’m not going to watch this goddamned Super Bowl. The Niner D shut down Eli most of the 2nd half. If not for the giveaways . . .

    • Flavor said, on January 31, 2012 at 10:59 am

      they absolutely did their job against the Giants O. But if Eli hadn’t been so brilliant in eluding that pressure we could have had 5-6-9 sacks and probably at least a couple of forced turnovers (Eli fumbling and/or forced interceptions). So that’s my point for this SB. If he dealt with the pressure and the horrible weather so well in SF then he should have no problem in a dome against a shitty defense.

  17. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Well, Goldson did break up 2 certain picks. The 2nd one being awful, because the play was in front of him and he kept Rogers from picking the ball off. That pick changes the game, as it takes the place of the muffed punt. Goldson HAS to be aware of what’s going on around him. He failed. And Eli threw another couple ducks that could have been picked off. My point is that the Niners made adjustments and pretty much stopped Eli and the Giants in the 2nd half. The Giants defense did a great job as well, but the one thing NE has that the Niners don’t is WRs that can get open.

    It comes down to protection as usual. the Niners didn’t test the Giants CBs much with their WRs, so I guess we’ll see if NE can force the ball downfield. If the Giants try to take away Gronkowski, they’ll defeintely have other guys open.

  18. willieD said, on January 31, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    “Brady gets too much credit”…I’ve been hearing that one for many many years now. I understand he and his head coach are very unlikeable, but I wouldn’t bet against him to get the job done. NY has great pass rush and depth there, but unless they can stop the no huddle it’s meaningless. And they are just as lucky to be where they are as anyone considering their reg season and Sf gifts.
    As for the anthem etc. (which I mute 99% of the time), one of the few I used to enjoy was when Philly had Grover Washington Jr. (that’s him in Bill withers just the two of us) play it before games at the Spectrum. Can’t recall if he was on alto or tenor, but he had great style and didn’t overdo it on the tune.

  19. Kevin said, on January 31, 2012 at 1:13 pm


    21. Coke and the Super Bowl – Super Bowl XXIII: Cincinnati running back Stanley Wilson went on a cocaine bender the night before the game and missed the Bengals’ loss to the 49ers.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      Some guy on the Raiders (O lineman?) ended up in TJ on a major drug binge the day before the Super Bowl. They couldn’t find him for 2.5 days or some crazy shit like that.

  20. twinfan1 said, on January 31, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I’ll go with NY just to make amends with Mac.

  21. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Looks like Peyton Manning might be done. From Yahoo Sports:

    For all the parrying and jousting last week over the future of Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, two sources say that the nerves in the quarterback’s right arm “are not healing as quickly as hoped and, worse, don’t appear to be progressing at enough of a rate to indicate that he will play again” While the vetebrae he had fused together during surgery last offseason have healed “as expected,” Manning “hasn’t shown improvement in velocity on his passes, and the two sources fear he likely never will again.” Yikes. On top of that, “two league-affiliated doctors with experience in spinal fusion surgery said it could take up to a year before Manning knows if he can return.” (That would be another year, on top of the one he just sat out.) Manning’s due a $28 million roster bonus if he’s still with the team on March 8, and with a prognosis like that, it doesn’t seem like there’s any way Colts owner Jim Irsay could keep him around, even if he wanted Manning to mentor Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, who the team will almost certainly select with the no. 1 overall pick in this spring’s draft. For his part, Manning told ESPN’s Trey Wingo in a lengthy sit-down interview that the feedback he’s getting from his doctors “is encouraging,” but stopped short of guaranteeing that he would compete for an NFL roster spot next season, repeatedly saying that it’s “hard to say” how many more years he intends to play.

    • TedSpe said, on January 31, 2012 at 2:04 pm

      Rob Lowe – Prophet

    • snarkk said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:16 pm

      Tired of this Peyton stuff. It’s the new Favre watch.
      Re: this $28M roster bonus, why couldn’t they just agree to reduce it or push it to next year and then deal with it? I don’t know if that would violate anything under the CBA, or tick off the player’s union, but just throwing that out there. Seems to me an accommodation could be made on both sides to avoid a bad divorce over an artificial deadline. But, maybe that’s what both want anyway with good Luck coming soon…

      • unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:43 pm

        Peyton said a couple weeks ago he didn’t want to renegotiate or push the date out.

      • snarkk said, on January 31, 2012 at 4:00 pm

        OK, then when they cut him it’s on Peyton. He wants out, so OK, fine.
        If I’m Irsay, I’m not paying $28M to find out that a guy can’t play for me. That’s nutz, and obviously that deal didn’t contemplate this kind of injury. Manning’s made well over $100M in his career, maybe even $200M with endorsements, right? No pity here. He should quit and avoid further injury, maybe catastrophic injury. He’s got nuttin’ more to prove, he’s a lock HOFer, and has a SB Ring. Why go to the Jets and get hammered? It’d be Namath with the Rams all over again…

  22. Alleykat said, on January 31, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Puppy are cute and all, But give me the “Hot Babes playing Lingerie Football ” anyday.7on 7 Football.Their having their SB game on Feb 4th nice little teaser the day before the Real SB.Believe it’s on MTV2 9:00 ET.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      Do the lingerie bowl football teams have cheerleaders?

      If so, are they naked?

      • TedSpe said, on January 31, 2012 at 2:04 pm

        Yes. But they’re dudes

  23. Alleykat said, on January 31, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Yeah there dudes….they are the goalpost.

  24. twinfan1 said, on January 31, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    These girls look they can play a bit

  25. snarkk said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Equipment Manager might be an interesting job in this league…

    • TedSpe said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:27 pm

      I applied for equipment manager. The pay’s $12 an hour.
      Not much, I know, but it’s all I can afford.

  26. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Man, I’d never go shotgun.

    • DJLoo said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:53 pm

      Maybe you can learn how to take a snap with your cock..

      • unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:57 pm

        That would be the longest snap count in the history of the game.

    • snarkk said, on January 31, 2012 at 4:08 pm

      I dunno.
      At my age, to avoid penalty, I might prefer shotgun over direct exchange.
      PED — premature exchange dysfunction, ya’ know…

  27. ewisco said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    is face gun an option?

  28. Kevin said, on January 31, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Whole new meaning to the saying to Face plant! And why does the QB need a towel, not like she is going under center and getting her hands dirty (fingers?)

  29. paulinasia said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    I usually agree with many of the insightful (baseball and otherwise) comments here at the Flap, but I’m a little surprised at the negativity here about this Super Bowl. You all talk about East Coast bias in the media, etc. but I feel like I’m hearing anti-East Coast sentiment about NY vs. NE. Why do people hate Brady? Pretty boy? He’s a fucking NFL quarterback who has won 3 SBs and trying for a 4th on a team that had never won it before. (Montana was sort of a pretty boy too, you know.) These teams don’t deserve to be there? 13-3 and an undefeated second half of the season says the Pats deserve to be there. Giants 9-7 sounds weak, but at the end of the regular season, they started putting it together and I remember thinking ‘uh oh’… (I’m not a NY fan, hence the ‘uh oh’). I think this SB could be one of the best.. meaning, best played, most exciting, etc., along the lines of that Steelers/Cowboys classic. Clearly, if anyone hates the Pats and/or Giants, it would be difficult to be too excited about watching this. As Michael says, you don’t want to watch, don’t watch. I expect a good game, even though if I want to see it, I’ll have to get up at 5am on Monday and head over to a bar, maybe the only one in Saigon that will carry it. I’ve been very wrong about “should be a great game!” before, many times. I will only be bummed if it’s NOT a good game, don’t really care who wins.

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      AsianPaul provides fortune-cookie wisdom bathed in reality. East-east-far-east-coast bias? [insert winking emoti-neocon]

  30. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    i don’t have too much a problem with Brady. Decent enough guy. And he’s had some shakey teams that he put on his back to win it all. He went to my HS for God’s sake. He gave the school his MVP Escalade for the school to auction off. No, I didn’t win it . . . The Montana thing doesn’t bother me a bit.
    I hate the Giants, though. From fricking Gifford to Tuna to Coughlin, I hate ’em all. They lucked out in 1990 at our expense, and they lucked out this year at our expense.
    My problem is just being royally pissed off that the Niners aren’t in it when they should be. I mean, even the NO game loses its luster a little bit when they didn’t make it to the big one . . .

  31. Flavor said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Paul– Nice post.
    And if you guys are looking for a few more things to gamble on, try nailing *first player to score a td*. I have a premonition that it’s gonna be Nicks and you get 9-1 in that. But Pascoe, who scored the 1st td against the Niners, is 35-1! Hell yes I’m putting a few bucks on that one too. Shit, they’ve obviously already got a play for him and it’s already worked. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them do it again. 35-1? Pay me.

    • DJLoo said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      And the Giants will definitely have the ball first…

  32. PawlieKokonuts said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Hey, nobody talking about Pat Burrell retiring? Just watched his emotional farewell at this season’s last AT&T game. Man, we could not have won in 2010 without you, Pat. Forever, thanks. (He sure makes my wife’s Top 5.) [Hold off on the comments there.]

    • TedSpe said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:46 pm

      He makes a lot of women’s top 5. Actually, I think Burrell’s retirement was a POTD for a bit.

      • PawlieKokonuts said, on January 31, 2012 at 6:04 pm

        someone just tweeted he married in 2007 but is divorced; good thing my wife doesn’t troll here

  33. PawlieKokonuts said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    @Jaysonst: Fun Pat Burrell facts from @billyball: Had the same career OPS as Roberto Clemente & the same OBP as Carlos Beltran http://www.billy-ball.com/

    • snarkk said, on January 31, 2012 at 5:50 pm

      He could take a walk.
      A “professional AB” was a term made for him, not for most other Giants of recent vintage…

  34. Alleykat said, on January 31, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Chuck…..Your 1:28 post…..That player was Sadly Raider Center Barret Robbins.Yeah he ending up going on a major bender in Tijuana /Booze and drugs.
    Robbins was later said to be in a manic state due to his bipolar disorder.One year later,Robbins was suspended for using steriods.
    It gets worse for him…In 2005,Miami Beach officers fought with Robbins during a burgulary call at a South Beach Building,3 Miami cops were injured and Robbins was shot twice during the melee.
    Robbins was sentenced to 5 yrs in prison after violating his probation in Miaml-Dade County.
    He was pulled over in Dallas in 2010 and police found crack cocaine inside his car(oops ) That brought him back to Miami.
    Robbins said it was a “Relief” to be sentenced and he was “Happy” to have a resolution.
    He’s planning to write an autobiography in prison,although he jokingly said im not much of a writer……Which I say No Problem the Flap will send are crack staff of Pawlie and Snarkk to help out.(grin)

  35. twinfan1 said, on January 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    I saw the POTD on Pat ( exellent post), but there sure was a shit storm when I called another very key contributer a “great” Giant so I’ve been waiting for similar remarks about Pat..

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on January 31, 2012 at 7:38 pm

      the deafening roar of silence [man, did I take Nipper pills this week?]

  36. Bozo said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    “Might as well watch the guy on Emergency ER with the pole in his head…”

    Sorry twin, but that still cracks me up.

  37. zumie said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    From the category of “great National Anthem moments in SF Giants history”……in 2007, the Giants had a “40-year anniversary of the Summer of Love” day. They gave out t-shirts with a psychedelic print on the front, and there was a Jimi Hendrix tribute band performing on the field before the game. And sure enough, the Hendrix character in the tribute band did the Hendrix version of the national anthem on his electric guitar. San Francisco is probably one of the few places an MLB team could get away with doing that. Imagine that at a Cardinals game- oh, the outrage, as the robotic fascist midwesterners gnash their teeth.

  38. unca_chuck said, on January 31, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Ahhh, that’s right, AK. Weird story. On a team full of weird stories. Glad to hear he didn’t o something drastic.

    Zume, I still have my Grateful Dead/Giants shirt from opening day 1993 when Jerry Bob, and Vince sang the Nat’l Anthem a capella . . . When asked how he felt being asked to sing at opening day, Jerry’s quote was classic. Along the lines of “like old whores and bad architecture, eventually you get respect.”

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