Looking Back at the 2002 World Series Team
After seeing Livan sign yet another deal to play in the major leagues in 2012 (well, it’s a minor league deal but we all know this dude will be pitching into his 50’s. Hell, he might ALREADY be pitching in his 50’s) it got me to wondering who else from the 2002 team might still be playing ball.
Here’s a link to the roster from baseball almanac.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=2002&t=SFN
According to them, 38 players made at least an appearance for the Giants in 2002. Besides Livan there is a single player who played in the major leagues in 2011: Cody Ransom. He hit .667 for us in that magical year with a mind blowing OPS of 1.417! Of course, he did that in only 7 at bats.
It’s a trip to see the names on that list and not really connect to many of them. Chad Zerbe? Tom Goodwin? Jay Witasick? I remember them, I just don’t remember them any more fondly than I remember the guys from the 2007 roster. Or the 1982 roster. They were just guys, a lot of them……
Ryan Jensen? I was surprised to see that he started 30 games for us in 2002. He went 13-8 and finished 6th in ROY voting. That was easily his best year in the major leagues:
What an improbable single season Jensen had for us in 2002……..
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Retro Time
Hello, 1987. It’s Opening Day, April 6th. Bring it. Kevin Mitchell and Dave Dravecky (in July), first place and, apparently, Will Clark leading off the home opener. He went 3 for 6. I swear to God, it still blows my mind that Will Clark never had 200 hits in a season. We won the home opener 4-3 in 12 innings on a Chili Davis single off Dravecky to score Hacman. Sounds like a fun game.
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Ryan Jensen? Stop pulling our legs Flav…
Home Opener 1987, I believe I dragged my tv to the roof of our fraternity and we were basking in the glorious sun and reveling in a home opener win, there may have been a few beers consumed…those were the days.
I remember Jensen,he gave the Giants some real qualliy starts that year.Didn’t throw hard but had good control and location.One year wonder.Hope Voglesong isn’t one either.
Wow Will Clark leading off…
How many really good pitchers have the G’s have had come through their system since Marichal’s debut in 1960 and Tim’s in 2007? A lot of Jensen types. Jim Barr won a 100 games, but wasn’t very exciting. Ron Bryant won 24 one year, Halicki and Ortiz had a couple of good years. And other than maybe the Count, can’t think of anyone else during that 47 yr span who I would have paid just to see them pitch.
Cain..
Yeah, meant to include him with Tim.
John Burkett
JB won 166 games, that puts him in the same category as the other guys. Hell, right now he’s WAY ahead of Cainer.
Yep. Not real flashy, but must be the winningest with 166. Forgot he was drafted by SF.
Gaylord Perry seemed to work out ok.HOF thru the Giants system.
Bill Swift won 20 in 93 good pitcher cut short by arm problems.
Side note on John Burkett….Great Bowler,had his share of 300 games,packed a 225 avg in beer leagues.
You could make an argument that the 30 start year in 2002 disrupted and maybe even ended his career. hidden injury? That same year took Nen’s shoulder, too.
Oooh, Eric show kind of strikes a nerve. He and a couple other SD guys on PS had some pretty obnoxious political/social views, reminiscent of John birch society socal types.
My younger bro got into dylan bootleg LPs in the 60s before dylan got real famous (often red or some other weird color) that we used to buy from a shop in downtown Jose called Underground records. First time I ever saw a guy (who worked at the counter) in a dress. This was dylan solo, just guitar and harmonica…check out talkin JBS blues from this era:
…started investigating myself/hope I don’t find out nothing/ good god.
Of course my take on Eric Show types would have been something like, “racist reactionary political pigs of the power structure.”
willie – Dravecky and Thurmond were also supposed to be members of the JBS with Show in SD.
Rather than looking back it was nice to see our current catcher Buster doing great in his rehab and being declared fit to play on Comcast’s piece of news. Waking up today with the unique sound of a jack hammer pounding away outside my window I’m wide awake this morning and ready to face the day.
Clark at lead off? Didn’t Show pitch for the A’s? I thought he was more of a druggie than a Bircher.
9 games he lead off. I had forgotten how much he hit 2nd his first two yrs.
Huh. I remember Clark batting 2nd, but not lead-off. . .
When Jensen was sent down in 2001, he was replaced by- Vogelsong..
Thought on the 2002 series and who was really to blame, courtesy of blogger Richard Booroojian who blames himself for Game 6, because he was “just too damned happy before the start of the seventh inning, and of course such happiness can never be allowed to transpire.” I admit my guilt as well…
I’m also to blame. I started drinking shots of tequila in the sixth and the bar I was in started to put champagne on ice.
Total, in his career, Will hit .288 .344 .776 in 33 games leading off. As far as never getting 200 hits, he had a .384 career OBP. Compare that to Melky who got his 201 hits despite a pedestrian .335 OBP. In short, Will was probably too good to get 200 hits, if you follow…
Bonds, of course, never had 200 hits either. Hell, the year he hit .362 ,he walked 232 times..
As the commercial says “amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing”
I’d like to like Brenly more as a broadcaster, but his unbearable use of the word “ballgame” instead of “game” every single time is just too annoying. He flat-out will never use the word “game.” It’s “ballgame” every freakin’ time.
I have no idea why it bugs me.
Here’s another annoyance. Basketball people referring to the big guys as “bigs.”
I don’t like it.
how about the ESPN football analysts:
THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE!
Yeah, their fetish for saying the word “football” has become a kind of cultural insanity. An example of the weird things that happen when jocks get control of language.
What I wanna know before Sunday is can Manning and Brady “throw that football” ? You don’t wanna go with the guy who can throw that basketball…
And we’re all still mystified at “scoring the basketball.” That one is so stupid it’s almost mesmerizing.
we all know this dude will be pitching into his 50′s. Hell, he might ALREADY be pitching in his 50′s
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That was funny
Well, better ‘running the football’ than ‘pounding the pigskin.’
Sounds like a hot night for Dennis . . .
Unitas once did a game with my Dad and noted that ” Ray, he kicked that football with his foot” ( this was on a field goal attempt)…
I’m sure your dad was thrilled to share the booth with Unitas.
Until he opened his mouth . . .
Probably no better example of “football smarts” than Unitas..
Live Giants webcast with Bochy et al: http://tinyurl.com/83xnqjt
If Zito had half the pitching smarts that Livan does to get people out with not much velocity, he might still be a serviceable starter…
We could probably get more quality starts out of 50 year old Jamie Moyer then Zits.
I think Chad Zerbe or Ryan Jensen had a WS win.
Schulman reports Bochy not thrilled with Panda’s weight.
Apparently put on more than a few lbs visiting Mama this winter…
http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2012/02/03/bochy-pablo-has-weight-to-lose-might-hit-fifth-plus-leadoff-spot-is-not-set-in-stone/?tsp=1
Well, it didn’t sound like a big deal, actually.
Big enough for Bochy to mention it publicly…
As I said, didn’t sound like big deal, even to Bochy
“He’s got a few pounds to lose. That’s fair to say,” Bochy said. “He’s working hard. He’s got a few pounds to work out before spring training.”
Maybr Panda added 10 lbs per eye during laskic surgery…
Criminy, it’s Feb 3rd, not opening day.
Pablo’s got some time to get into shape.
Bochy NEVER says anything publicly about a player that he doesn’t want known. This was no slip up. He was obviously sending a message, like they did to Huff. Especially after the team showed confidence in Panda to the tune of a 3-year deal the Giants didn’t have to make….
See above.
Baggs quotes Cain as saying he likes the fact that the rotation has “four aces”. He didn’t say he was one of the four, but the conclusion is obvious. Zito is some other card in the deck. One-eyed Jack, or is that even too much credit?…
And Timmy has cut out one of the 3 double-doubles, BTW. I guess Pablo should adopt Timmy’s diet. He’s back down to 175 but ballooned to 197 this fall. Didn’t like the intentional weight gain .
From Bochy *today* on Pablo:
“Pablo looks great, by the way.”
Sorry, *Schulman* said Pablo looks great. It’s unclear how much he gained but Bochy did say he looked good (also today ). Doesn’t sound like anyone except Snarkk is worried.
Most former fatsos will tell you that losing the weight was much easier than keeping it off long term…
Like I said, Bochy doesn’t mention things in public about players without a reason. If anybody wants to dispute that, go ahead. You will be wrong. I don’t know where “today” Bochy said something opposite of his Schulman quotes. Perhaps we can have a link for the full context…
It’s from Schulman’s tweets today. Bochy doesn’t say he gained 25, BTW. It’s between 10 and 25 and it’s unclear how how has already been lost. And Snarkk has exactly zero inside info on Bochy’s M.O. Plus at least two writers say Pablo looks good. And if you’re going to use Schulman, you might add that he thinks Pablo looks great…
“Pablo looked good to me, but Bochy said, “He knows he’s got a few pounds to lose. We had a good talk.” Gained 25 pounds.”
“Panda told another reporter he gained 10. Bochy said he appears slimmer than a few weeks ago.”
It’s from the article YOU posted, Snarkk:
“He’s got a few pounds to lose. That’s fair to say,” Bochy said. “He’s working hard. He’s got a few pounds to work out before spring training.”
Bochy did add that “he looks better now than when I saw him two weeks ago.”
Hey Flavor…There still is a active player from the Giants of 2002 season still playing Yorvit Torrelbra.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/twitter/topics/contributor?q=hankschulman
But really the funniest weight news is Timmy acknowledging doing the full engorgement last year and planning to address it by cutting from 3 to 2 double-doubles.
Bochy’s MO doesn’t require Kreskin. He keeps player stuff close to the vest. Unless he has a reason to do otherwise. I’m not worrying about Pablo. Everything Bochy has said to the media tells me that HE is, otherwise he wouldn’t have mentioned the poundage. If you guys think he’s not sending a message, go ahead believing it. I’ll believe otherwise. And, I think it’s good. Pablo has proved he’s a guy so far that needs a fire lit every now and then, and Bochy gets that. Too bad they waited until post-season ast year to rub the kindling under Huff…
Snark, I agree with you that Bochy would have never mentioned Pablo’s weight publicly if it weren’t a problem. Probably “bigger” than has been let on. DJLoo, you’re right, once you lose a significant amount of weight, it’s tough to keep it all off. There’s relapse, but Sandoval seems to need a babysitter to keep him from stuffing his face. You can’t keep relapsing 10 lbs here or there. .Even at his low weight and muscle building at the beginning last season, he still needed to lose 20lbs. He’s 5’11! 240-250 is waaaayyyyy too much. He’s not an NFL fullback! He needs to be around 190-210 and at that height it should be all muscle. He’s in his 20’s and a Pro athlete, and now making big scratch. His conditioning is a joke.
How is he hiding it from writers who would like nothing more to report that he’s fat again? And non-biased reporters say he looks good. Really fucking hilarious is the claim that he should weigh what Lincecum did at the end of last year.
Who are the biased and non-biased reporters? And biased in what way?…
Just for one example, why would Shulman claim he he “looks great”.And Bochy says he looks slimmer than a few weeks ago and “looks good”. Now he doesn’t mean it? I thought Bochy only said what he meant? The Yardbarker reporter also he looked fit. I’m sure we’ll get plenty of reports tomorrow- from 225 to 300…
I am sure Bochy is pushing him to shed those few extra pounds– but you ignore that he DOES say that Panda looks good and so have a couple writers who have SEEN him..
True. There have been no pictures. I just think that he’s pushing the threshold. Being 30lbs overweight, which he is, isn’t good. You can get away with it to some extent when you’re young, but his window of leeway is closing
Who’s 30 pounds overweight? Sandoval? How do you come up with that figure?
Yeah, Pablo is listed at 5′ 11″. I’ve never stood next to him, but based on seeing him at games and more to the point on TV, he doesn’t look that tall. I’m thinking that’s generous. Even if he’s 5′ 10″ and let’s assume he’ll get down to 230, which seems unlikely, then his BMI would be 33, way too high. Unless, his body fat % is low. We don’t know what that is, I’m sure the Giants do. The body fat % is the real indicator of how in shape he is…
Brian doesn’t know how much Panda weighs..
The image of Panda and Timmy weighing the same is one of the hilarious ones of any year. I’d be much more concerned about a kid who controled his weight fluctuations ( 160 to 197 to 175 ) by adjusting how many double-double cheesburgers he consumed..
If you are saying Lincecum and Panda ever weighted the same, you’ve brought your continued, ridiculous trashing of Lincecum to new levels of hilarity…
I’m saying Brian says Panda should weigh 190-210, Tim weighed 197 this fall, 187 as seasons end. So it is, as I said, a truly hilarious image.
Didn’t say that, this is how your many fabrications are born..
I brought him up in the top 5 fave giants thread, now I will again. Kirk Reuter. Most wins in 2002, going 14-8, 3.28. Has the most ever wins for a lefty Giants pitcher. Won game 4, going 6 and giving up 3. Came in game 7 of doom and pitched shut out relief of Livan.
I don’t know anything about Reuter personally, for all I know he’s a jerk who did it all with roids, but his games were fast paced and fun to listen to on the radio, and his 2002 postseason effort should have been enough to get a ring.
I love Dusty, but I can’t help thinking that if he was half as good as Bochy at setting a rotation up and managing a bullpen, Woody would have been used differently, and would have a ring.
Interesting that the US Attorney in LA closed the two year investigation of Lance Armstrong using PEDs, WITHOUT EVER questioning HIM under oath in front of the grand jury hearing the evidence. Others were questioned before the grand jury, and a natural assumption would be some of them ratted him out. So, why not put Armstrong under oath, like Bonds? Apparently the Nowitzky IRS agent guy was also involved in this investigation. That dude is costing us way too much taxpayer money for these worthless investigations. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/02/03/national/a141042S56.DTL
Bochy is coming on Razorasses Show with Tommy boy in 10 min or so im sure it will be brought up about Panda….KNBR your allday Sports Leader….
Totally off topic but sad news. Ben Gazzara just passed away
Somehow we’ll all have to press on, Ted…
Gazzara was one of the great Actor’s Studio actors. I have no idea why Loo would dismiss him. He was a one of a handful of influential actors to study under under Lee Strasburg. He was a great actor whose work with Cassavettes was memorable…
With Bukowski on the set of “Tales of Ordinary Madness.”
It was a dumb comment.
But the guy was over 80 – not exactly “sad.”
Great TV Show “Run for your Life” Ben Gazzara was told by his doctor “Hey bud your screwed you have1-2 years left to live.”
So Gazzara sez to himself ,What the fuck, Hit the road,do some heavy drinking,get some hookers,and enjoy what time I have left.
Unless you hope to be 81.
I wouldn’t doubt for a second that Bochy is trying to spur Pablo on to finish up the weight loss- it’s equally clear that Bochy and others who have seen him, report that he looks good.
Certainly many people strugge to control their weight the whole lives, Pablo might be one of them, the Tigers want Miggy Cabrera losing weight.
But as I have pointed out ( now confirmed by Lincecum), a fluctuating up and down weight program controlled by how many double-doubles he consumes should be a greater concern.
Okay, one more thing about gripe about 2002 and Reuter and then I’ll crawl back into my hole until the soup bowl is over.
Fucking Reuter posts the most wins in 2002 at 14-8, has the best ERA of the starters, second on the team in WHIP to Schmidt, and keeps the team in almost every game he pitches. His reward? Game 4 start (win), and mop up duty after Levan craps all over the mound in game 7.
Meanwhile, Levan goes 16-12, edges out Ryan Jensen for dead last in ERA and WHIP, and routinely melts down on the mound during the season, leaving the team in the hole. His rewards? Game 3 start, meltdown. Game 7 start, meltdown. Goddammit, Dusty.
Back to my hole, time to go watch some 2010 replays.
Oops, meant to say Livan went 12-16. I was prolly channneling Dusty’s wishful thinking.
I can’t stand when K & K go all homo over Rueter…
It musta been the ears.
Tfan- You don’t think that Sandoval’s oveweight for his age/height/profession? Well, the profession maybe not. Comparing him to Tim L isn’t fair. I guess my weight range was deceiving. Two people- same height, age, differ in weight/conditioning. Judging from afar, I’d say that Lincecum, for a protracted amount of time, can eat whatever he wants with minimal workouts and still maintain excellence as a pitcher. His metabolism is inherited, gene-driven, in my opinion. Who knows what he does for workouts, all we ever hear about is his chowing double-doubles, set as a joke because he’s so skinny, and strikes out so many. No chance that kiind of living sustains a career, although it would be tasty! Sandoval, as far as weight loss, has done OK. As far as conditioning, he’s had one spring where he was thrown into an intense training program where he was monitered, babysat, and had his meals delievered, calories counted, and ass wiped. The problem with him is when given an inch, he gains 10 pounds. If he’s .291, 28, 94, all good. Go Giants.
Oh goodie, a Timmy-cheese burger debate. That one never got old. The fact is, no one here knows shit about what Pablo looks like or how much he weighs. Get more info tomorrow and go from there.
It’s no longer a debate.
“Lincecum ended last season at 187 pounds and shockingly, got up to 197 in November, which is double-chin territory. So he scrawled that number on a white board and recorded daily weigh-ins while challenged himself to drop 25 pounds. He did it by swimming every day in a current pool, doing the frog stroke. He’s down to 175 now.
Lincecum also cut out those well publicized meals of three In-N-Out double-doubles. “Just make sure you don’t pick up the third one,” he said.
As you might remember, Lincecum began gorging himself last spring because he wanted to pitch heavier, in an effort to help his stamina. For the most part, it worked. He was noticeably better in hot weather. But Lincecum didn’t like the experience. He felt the weight in his knees and ankles. So he’s going back to pitching a bit lighter.”
And both Schulman (he’s looks great) and Bochy ( he looks good), seem to like how he looks. Fact is, if he does look fit, Snarkkles will deny it anyway.
The double-doubles are no longer a joke for Timmy. He’s cutting them out due to his weight gain. We all know about Pablo’s conditining issues after 2010. Again, the Giant’s beat writer says Pablo looks great. And he’s seen him. Today.
Hey, Flappers, name-dropper that I am, I’ve got a Ben Gazzara story for y’all: Several years ago [who can tell anymore? 3? 5? 6? 7? 17?], I was at a Syracuse Chiefs game, possibly when they were back to being the Syracuse Chiefs and not the ill-dubbed SkyChiefs. Behind home plate, off to the right a bit, I thought I saw Ben Gazzara there, sitting by himself. i walked over to the man. “Are you Ben Gazarra?” “Yes.” “Pleased to meet you, etc.” He was doing a one-act play here, I think it consisted of Yogi-isms. May have had a very short Broadway or Off-off Broadway, before Syracuse. He was smaller than I thought. Seemed pleased to be recognized but quiet and into the game. Get this [this especially for movie buff TedSpe], I told him my favorite movie of his [with Cassavettes, Twin] was “Husbands.” He lit up when I said that and seemed pleased that someone would remember it and like it. Can’t remember what else we talked about but it was a great few minutes. No fecking autograph either. Magnus.
I’ve noticed, as I’ve advanced into my forties, that double-doubles, quarter-pounders, whoppers, jumbo-jacks, super-stars, and a trip to your favorite burger joint ( Izzy’s in S.Lake Tahoe) can have a negative effect on the game of backyard whiffleball, driveway HORSE, or SORRY boardgame with your smartass nephews. Eat healthy!
Make that Wiffle Ball, s’il vous plait. Still made in the U.S.A., too. Invented in my native state of Connecticut.
Brian, dropping the Tahoe Izzy’s reference. Excellent. I don’t get over to it to often anymore, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 10 years. But back in the early-mid 90’s I lived at Izzy’s in Tahoe.
We go every now and then to Johnny Angel’s in posh Skaneateles [pronounced Skinny Atlas], New York, for very delish $3 certified black Angus burgers on Thursdays. Three bucks! Of course the fries are $92.50.
I really don’t give a shit how much Pablo weighs. All I care about is his conditioning. He can be a big beefy dude (and he always will be) but if he’s running up hills and lifting weights all off season, he’s good to go. If he didn’t do those things then he’s probably not ready. But whatever, there’s time for him to get in shape if he’s out of shape. Some beat writer saying someone “looks great” means absolutely nothing to me. Especially since beat writers do nothing but kiss ass (as we all know) and the nature of their job doesn’t really allow for any negative commentary on the players (unless they want to get frozen out in the clubhouse all season long)…….
Bochy also said he looked good and the fucking beat writers were all over it when he wasn’t in shape. Of course, we’ll all see when the time comes, in the interim there’s no more story than Timmy cutting out crudburgers to help lose 25 pounds…
T.
I live in SLTahoe and Izzy’s is still going strong………… I liked following some of the posts from Dirt N’ Rocks from Reno because he’d talk about skiing or tail-gating up at Heavenly.
actually I’m deleting this one too. It’s got nothing to do with baseball or anything that anyone talks about here. Re-post it at Mick’s blog or somewhere else………–Big Flavor
Go Giants.
comment deleted by Big Flavor.
I wanted to read it. You don’t have it. That’s fine, moving on. And I deleted your post because for some unknown reason you decided to diss a Flap regular while telling me you couldn’t or can’t find the link. Don’t do that. I will continue to delete unnecessary put downs of other bloggers here, especially if they are unprovoked………
Flavor is right. 220 lbs of muscle and cardiovascular fitness through proper conditoning and diet would be a Panda model of fitness on a 5’11 frame. And, Beat writer ass-kissing is as prevalent as one of those jerks who think we all want to hear him grunt at 630am on the bench-press to impress chicks in the gym. Those writers have to weigh “calling someone out” aka Pablo (failied TV show) Or getting stuck interviewing Vogelsong, which is pretty cool but not exactly a career-changer.
All the writers, including the beat writers, were on it when he when he was out of shape.
Timmy, if you haven’t noticed Twin, has been a rock solid fucking stud since the day he showed up. He can eat shit for all I care, as long as he’s putting together CY seasons (or clsoe to it). Pablo put HIMSELF in the spot light regarding all this by turning himself into a fat pig during the 2010 season. And it clearly destroyed his year. THAT is why people, including Pablo, now understand why you can’t turn yourself into that big of a fatso and still expect to be a good baseball player…….
http://www.complex.com/sports/2011/08/the-25-greatest-fat-baseball-players-of-all-time#2
Since we’re on the subject. Here’s a cool link!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here’s the other thing: I have got to assume that the Giants did their due diligence. They took a look at Sandoval before he signed his extension. They didn’t just fax the fucking offer over, they looked at him, weighed him, gave him a physical, etc. To do anything less would be completely irresponsible.
Pablo is probably in very good shape. Perfect? Who knows. But he must have proven to them that he took his off season conditioning seriously or they never would have decided to hand him over 18 million dollars………
*He* said he was cutting out the crudburgers because he didn’t like the weight gain.
Then delete the disgusting insensitve remark about Gazzara from Loo.
no. He said “Somehow we’ll all have to press on, Ted”…Only in your world is that post “disgusting”. It was in poor taste but that’s too be expected from Loo. It WAS funny. You have less than zero sense of humor so I don’t expect you to understand that……..
No, my just humor rises above Caddy Shack II.
say something funny and let the masses decide how funny you are. People that think they’re funny usually aren’t. If you’re the only one laughing, that should tell you something……..
I had the King Arther Supreme from Round Table tonight. I gained some lbs for sure. Probably would have been better withouth the bell peppers.
Re-check Snarks post and link @ 2:04pm. Reading it again, it sure doesn’t sound like a ringing endoresment from Bochy. Didn’t Ben Gazzara play Al Capone in some movie. I know he played the asshole landowner in RoadHouse
He said Pablo looked good but still had some weight to lose… BFD
Fwiw, Sabean was quoted as being happy with Pablo’s conditioning. Think if anyone is going public to light a fire, it’s him.
My comment about feeling sadness at the death of a person of any age was completely appropriate after Loo’s admittedly dumb remark ablout Gazzara which is then compunded by declaring that Gazzara’s death was not sad because he old..
I understood what Loo meant by that comment, most people did. He was saying 80 was a long life, when they die that isn’t necessarily *sad*. If someone died when they were 8, that would be sad because they died so young. Maybe Gazzara’s death made you sad. It didn’t make me sad or Loo sad. People fucking die all the time. If they meant something to you, it was probably sad on different personal levels….
However, his post was not *disgusting*. It wasn’t over the top or out of place (since he didn’t bring it up, he was responding to Ted’s post). That’s why Loo’s post wasn’t deleted……..
And it’s not up you or Loo to be decalaring whose death is sad or not. The fact that you don’t get that is hardly surprising. I actually explained very succintcly in a post you deleted.
I’m not declaring it sad and neither is he. I explained this to you. Read it again. He was saying that an old person dying isn’t necessarily sad. A young child dying would be *sad* because they died young, never had a chance to live life etc. Gazzara’s death could be sad to many people for many reasons, I’m not arguing that. I’m saying I understood his reference. You can choose to disagree with it, but understand it first. I still don’t think you get it………
I know exactly what he was saying- YOU read it. He said it wasn’t sad, not that wasn’t sad for him. That’s a not a judgement for him to make. But fine, let’s just make “jokes” about the passing of old folks.
“People die all the time”… true. But civilized people don’t trivialize the death of another because it didn’t meet their
“sad quotient”.
Good night.
And as I said in my 8:48pm post, because they chose to pay him 18 million, I am not worried about his conditioning this off season. If it turns out he completely out of shape than that 18 mil is on the Giants for being completely negligent in their assessment of him……
Let’s just hope the Giants weren’t completely hedging 18 mi in their assessment.
there’s no way. And he would have had to pass a physical anyway to sign the deal. He’s fine……..
my point is, if he had to pass a physical they saw him. They looked at him. If he was a big fat fuck they wouldn’t have offered him the long term deal.
I’m not current on it, but what other deal(s) could he have been offered? He is the “Kung Fu Panda”, the hats, the hats. He’s big revenue. Hell, my 23 year old sister, who lives with her east-coast fiance that live around Golden Gate Park they love the Panda. Yet when I quiz her on a the starting pitching from 2010, she CHOKES, I love it honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!He generaes big bucks, fat fuckery be damned, he may get a pass on some of the particulars, like weighing under 250 lbs, but he’s the Panda. Can’t let something like conditioning get in the way of revenue
You go ahead and obsess on Panda in 2010. He’s now a GG caliber defender and without question their best hitter. If that changes this year, give me a jingle..
You are, TFan, for better or for worse, the straw that stirs the drink around this blog! Cheers!
Whatever. I’m 64, I’ll probably be going to UCSF Friday for my umpteenth cancer operation. If you’re lucky you’ll get a chance to speak to me there. To many people, especially young ones, at my age I don’t have a goddamn thing to live for- and when I do go, like ALL of you, few will be truly sad. But those who will mourn us don’t need to pass a sadness litmus test because we were too old or sick to qualify for a Loo POTD…
Wow, I sincerely hope your cancer operation is successfull, Twinfan. Hopefully, you’re not going through it alone. You are a human being and have much to live for. Don’t you know that 64 is the new 36? Fair well.
“You are a human being and have much to live for. ”
I kinda know that, Brian. My reference was to the insensitive clods who pass judgement on whose life is worthy of being mourned. As I posted when Loo said “But the guy was over 80 – not exactly “sad.”
“Unless you hoped to be 81…”
Thanks for the well wishes, though.
Go Twin!
The well wishes are heartfelt, my wife Kerri who thinks this blog is idiotic, sends her prayers as well. Fair well brother.