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Where is the Offense?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 10, 2012

We scored 5 runs in three games. We are lucky to have won the single game we did win. A disturbing theme of this series was our inability to score in multiple innings in any game. Last night we scored 2 in the 2nd inning, none after. Tuesday night we scored 2 in the 2nd inning none after. Monday, we scored 1 in the 6th, none before or after. And the Dodger pitching staff just isn’t THAT good. Outside of Melky, every single hitter on our team has laid an egg in this team wide attempt to make up for the loss of The Panda. Pathetic.

I don’t seem to mind a pitcher failing as much as I do an entire offense. I don’t know why that is. If a pitcher fails it’s just one guy and it’s easy to spot the problem and the possible solution. When the offense limps it’s tough to point a finger anywhere. And that’s irritating. And it’s harder to find a solution.

But I will suggest 2 reasons why we aren’t hitting and am happy to be right or wrong about either:

1) There’s no leader. Tolbert brought this up a week ago and I kinda blew it off but I now think he’s right. You look up and down that line up and there just isn’t a guy to carry the team as a leader. Buster is *the bat* but he’s hardly a vocal leader. Same with Melky–that guy is all business, focused on himself, etc. And that’s fine on a team of veterans but this team is a group of guys who are more worried about playing time and just doing enough to stay at this level—they’re worried about just surviving. And that’s no way to play team ball………

2) The other reason I think the offense is struggling is because there’s been no continuity to it. If Bochy would stop playing match ups constantly and started just going with a consistent group we might see more, uh, *consistency* from that group. Again, with a young group of players I think you might get more out of them if they knew they were playing everyday. Baseball players are all about routine–all these young guys played full time in the minors and they benefited from the routine of playing everyday. The flip side of that is you risk ruining their confidence by running them out there to play everyday and fail everyday. Still, it’s possible the uncertainty of playing time is contributing to players playing *tight* in the field and at the plate. And the results in the field and at the plate support that theory……..

Whatever the reason, the hitters need to step up. And I’m not talking about just one of them. Multiple hitters need to start hitting or we will be 12 games back by the time The Panda comes off the DL–still doable, but why make it harder than it needs to be?

 

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  1. Wilcojoe's avatar Wilcojoe said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:09 am

    It’s been like this for what five straight years…I half expect 60 Minutes to show up any day now to run a story about it.

  2. Wilcojoe's avatar Wilcojoe said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Do you make change for the sake of change? When they fired Carney the drunk, they went on to win the series the next year…Is it time to make Sir Bam Bam a scapegoat?

    • Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:02 am

      I don’t have mind if Bam Bam jettisoned in to space right now in his launch capsule singing “Rocket Man”.
      Wished the Giants took a long hard look at bad ass Chili Davis as their hitting coach.To late now.

  3. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:22 am

    I was thinking this morning, what is my biggest concern with this team, and I was thinking that it was with Timmy (the lost velocity, inability to go deep in the games, etc.). But then I read you post Craig, and I do agree…it is more frustrating to have a line-up (top to bottom) that cannot deliver a key knock in the clutch.

    Last night it was great to see the Giants jump out to a lead, but when they left a couple on after scoring two runs (a single makes it 4-0 instead of 2-0 in that situation), I just had a bad feeling that that was a key spot in the game.

    And my premonition was right…they didn’t score another damned run. I am concerned with Tim. He just is not the same guy he was. And damn am I glad that they did not lock themselves into a long-term deal (two years ago I was clamoring for one). The question now is can he reshape himself to be an effective pitcher (let alone a staff ace). But, I agree…the more pressing problem is the inability to score runs.

    It was looking so promising to take the game and the series, and then the wheels came off.

    It was a big game and a win would have been huge, but I think it still way too early to panic. Arizona has lost 5 in a row. I am sure that sweep at the beginning of the year is fresh in their collective brains, and they will be looking at using the Giants to get healthy. Giants need to go down and win that series before coming home.

    Speaking of the upcoming home stand…how odd to have two two-game series (Colorado and St Louis).

    And you’re right…it isn’t any one guy (or even a couple) who cannot get that key

  4. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:24 am

    Not sure what happened there…was just going to finish my thougth that it isn’t any one guy who pukes in the clutch…take your pick from anyone on the team…they have all been there. Very frustrating.

  5. willieD's avatar willieD said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:39 am

    The LU last night got 6 walks and 9 hits..eveyone except belt got at least one hit and he and Posey were the only guys not to be on base twice with a hit and a walk. Combine nate’s screw up with a hanging curve to a guys who could not handle a fast ball, and there’s your ballgame. Kemp looks like shit all night and LA scores 5 without him…that’s a go figure. Giants get on base that often, they’ll win with their pitching. DP vs. Gordon was a beaut.
    I’m not into a solid 8 with this group esp missing Panda–other than melk posey pagan and arias somewhere, I don’t 8 guys I’d write in and screw the rest. I think it is to bochy credit he finds ABs for pill hector blanco etc–if you factor in L/R and O/D, I think it’s good bochy doesn’t bury someone who struggles for a taste. You don’t really have a replacement 3b, so everyone has to shuffle a bit.
    All guys want to play–if I’m boch I’m telling them show me why I should write you in and keep you there. Losing a reg like Sando gives others an opp so what are you doing to help the team win? This stuff about building/destroying confidence in young guys is BS to me.

  6. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:41 am

    “Where’s are Offense?
    He’s sitting back on the freaking bench after winning the only game of this series with his “Bomb”off. of the current CY Young Winner Clayton Kershaw no less.
    Freakin Bochy drives me crazy at times.Brett Pill is one of their best options to pick up the slack with Panda down and he Sits him unfuckingbelievable.

  7. willieD's avatar willieD said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Btw, if I remember right, didn’t joe morgan expound ad nauseum on lack of a “leader” during one of our games couple years ago? I didn’t buy that argument then and I don’t now.
    The only argument against Kemp not winning the MVP last year was that he didn’t ” lead” his team into contention–and he certainly didn’t do anything at all last night.

  8. denniszu's avatar denniszu said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:46 am

    My occasional input has been centered around guys like Freddie Sanchez and Huff; and it is as much for the veteran presence as it might be for a helpful resurgence of offense that I am hopeful for their return. You just can’t expect this team of emerging young talent to carry the weight of the pressure of contention alone.
    Coaches can say all the nice positive motivating words; but once on the field, I think the young players would look to the vets for the security of driving them to win….

  9. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:54 am

    Weatherproof games: none.

    A possible thunderstorm in New York could put a damper on the Yankees’ home game. Far more likely, though, is a good view of the tarp on the field at Fenway Park, with a forecast for some heavy rain late in the day. Elsewhere, it should be pleasant and sunny in Minnesota with a high of 74 degrees; Oakland may reach 80 on the thermometer with mostly sunny skies; it’ll be partly sunny and 62 in Pittsburgh and 73 and breezy with some clouds in Baltimore.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Sandoval is the straw that stirs the drink and this club will be lucky to hover around .500 in his absence.

    • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:40 am

      Not buying it…they went like 15-6 last year without him. Sure…different team this year, but they can win some games without him. They just need to play good fundamental (minimize the errors) baseball, and get a key hit once in a while (RISP). That doesn’t fall on one player.

      • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:44 am

        I’m rooting for the club and hope they match or exceed the 15-6 but I just don’t have that warm and fuzyz feeling. We’ll see I guess. Another way to look at it is Lincecum pitches better they’re easily 2-3 over .500.

    • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:43 am

      Actually it was 25-16 (record without Pablo) last year…

      • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:02 am

        4 – 6 over the last 10. Time to rip off a streak.

  11. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:22 am

    The leader argument is bullshit and so is the one about playing the same LU everyday. The only reason they’re made is because they’re easy to make. Lincecum and the guys who have shown why it’s Mota, not Wilson, who is missed the most in the pen ( Mota’s 10 innings this year is not a barometer of anything.) are more respoonsible for this poor start than anything. The players hit in the hitter’s parks. This was proven last year and in 2010, and it’s no different this year. It’s FACT. At home and in the less friendly hitter’s parks in LA and San Diego, they don’t.This has absolutely nothing to do with having or not having a set LU unless you think the guys have a problem with it at home and not for most away games. A couple here seem to get it- there are not 8 players who can or should play everyday. It’s amazing that anyone who endured the BowWow and Linden eras would dredge up the same argument now about the young guys needing to play everyday.
    Posey, Melky, Arias, have to play everyday. Belt until/if they decide he’s not the future. Everybody else is and should be subject to the SOP match up deal because they’re part timers who can contribute when they’re given favorable match ups but are not everyday players.

    • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:32 am

      I think it was Chi that posted stats the other day about parks league wide and how they play. I thought it was interesting that 3 NL West parks were in the top 10 (or bottom 10 depending on your POV) of least amount of offensive production.

      • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:42 am

        Yep…it was me. And the stats showed exactly what Twin speaks about, above.

    • denniszu's avatar denniszu said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:49 am

      Leadership is important; even it it’s backup positions that vets may have to take. You can have all the talent in the game but when it comes to the end of the season and your fighting for a playoff position, what better is there then to have a couple of guys around who have been there and done that…. As for the Giants, I’m really referencing the non-pitching position players… Stats don’t cover every aspect of winning…..

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:22 am

        No one said leadership isn’t important- Tolbert has no frigging idea who may or not be leaders. I doubt he’s spent 5 minutes in their clubhouse in his life. Even though he’s out, Panda is there, and it’s clear from even casual observation that he’s been a leader with the Latino players. Posey is clearly a leader also- being vocal about it is not as important as example- the pitching staff ( half the team) obviously consider him a leader.And even if he’s hated by the blogosphere and is not producing now, Huff has always been a clubhouse leader, as has Affeldt. All of the players I’ve mentioned are respected by their teammates and respect from your peers is a big part of being a leader.

  12. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Dirt has it right…really the problem is the Rowand and Huff contracts tied their hands this season…$23.6 mill wasted.

    It disallowed signing Beltran, but I get the feeling if we did, he would be sucked into the Giants offense vortex of oblivion. It seems like certain guys hit better elsewhere. But the glass half-full look with Huff, Sanchez, Pagan and Melky contracts all expiring, the Giants have a legit shot at signing one plus free agent next year in the $15 mill range I think and possibly bring back Melky (I would do no more than two years and $10 mill for each year max). Pagan has not proven to me he is worth a return or no more than one year at most.

    Then heading into 2014, they really could bring in a superstar if needed in the $20 mill plus range….Josh Hamilton this off-season would be a pipe dream….but now that I am looking at the 2014 free agent list…yuk, we are fucked!

    • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:42 am

      If they have 2-3 more position players pan out in the next few years the club will be fine. Hamilton would be nice but I agree that he is more of a pipe dream. Speaking of pipes, I would hate for that guy to come up in SF and end up smokin meth under a bridge somewhere and totally flame out.

      I would rather see M Cabrera signed to a 3-5 year deal. I like the way he plays and approaches the game. I especially liked a quote from him the other day about playing at Phone Book Park. Something along the lines of “BFD, Still need to get on base and score runs.”

      • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:50 am

        yeah, I hear you that he would want 3-5 years, not sure I would go there…maybe 3 if the price was no more than $10 mill a year…

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:48 am

      Only in a perfect world, would teams fill their rosters with young players developed through the farm system. Those players must wait two to three years before qualifying for salary arbitration and must log six seasons of major league service to become eligible for free agency.

      In the real world, teams bolster their lineups with free agents, knowing the science of predicting future performance is imperfect. GH, approximately a dozen teams around the majors are carrying significant sunk costs or call it “dead money.” In short, the Giants aren’t the only ones in this situation.

      Why does this occur? Supply and demand have much (but not all) to do with sunk costs. As teams compete for a limited number of free agents, the cost and duration of contracts get driven upward.

      • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:52 am

        I dont diosagree, but I think I was trying to underline the point that it basically hamstrings us for the duration of this year. I dont see management agreeing to take on a big contract…

      • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:53 am

        Not sure if you’re directing the “perfect world” statement to me but I wasn’t saying the whole roster would be through the system. Brown or Panik work out and the team would have Sandoval, Posey, Belt, Brown/Panik as position players. Throw in the PS and that is about as good as any team can hope for. Sign a player ot two like Cabrera and you’ve got a complete club with a nice mix.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:16 am

        No Dirt, basically commenting on GH’s point about Giants being “hamstrung” by bad free agent signings. We all should get over it – Just about every team at one point or another, will have their “Barry Zito” or “Vernon Wells” moment. We can all list examples from each team. It happens, thus my point about accepting that this is the cost of doing business in today’s modern free agency world.

      • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:35 am

        Agree with you there Blade. I don’t get too caught up in the contracts. Worrying about the ownership side is a buzz kill. That said, the loss of Bow Tie bugged me. He really changed the culture of the organization in his brief time at the helm. Somehow, to me, Baer just doesn’t inspire.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:47 am

        Yeah, I agree the jury is still out on Baer. In my mind, I sort of discount him and am glad that Sabean is making the baseball decisions . . . or, at least I hope he is.

  13. zumie's avatar zumie said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:33 am

    That’s kind of a weird fluke of the schedule- the Giants play the D-Backs on the road again, before having any homegames against them. But overall, not a bad time to be playing the D-Backs, who are having some injury problems of their own.

  14. zumie's avatar zumie said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:47 am

    But not diggin’ the off-day on the schedule today.

  15. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Craig made mention of the hitting struggles, vs. the struggles of one pitcher. I get that…but this whole thing with Timmy has me concerned. Here are some specifics (outside of the known loss of velocity):

    Last year, Lincecum held opponents to a .115 average in 96 AB’s with 2 outs and RISP. This year, it’s up to .333.

    This year he has failed to complete seven innings in 6 of 7 starts.

    Not great stuff when discussing your staff ace (or co-ace).

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:06 am

      Tim is getting 4 runs of support per start, but they’re 2-5 in his starts. The big innings he’s giving up are killing them, yet some still want to put his poor performance on the hitters. He’s given up more hits than IP, he’s walked about 5 per 9 innings, his WHIP is almost 1.6, and his ERA is 5.89. None of this is on anybody but him. The pitch to Tony Jr. was his season in a nutshell. He dominated Kemp and then didn’t throw a bad pitch to Gwynn as much as a lazy, totally lost concentration pitch. A person unfamilar with his past success might look at his season and think he might be, uh, well..a basket case..

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:34 am

        Trolling thiis early, Mike?

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:42 am

        Pointing up unpopular truths, bippy..and don’t ever call me a troll, pal. Do you have anything to conrtribute or is your whole blogging life consumed with my posts? Timmy has been a head case and if that offends you because you had that reserved for Dirty Gomez, too bad.

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:44 am

        No, I’m sure Timmy has some sort of lingering unseen mystery injury preventing him from pitching better.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:51 am

        No, as you’ve pointed out with Dirty, that’s not possible. Head case is the only possible explanation.

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:33 am

        You brought it up, again, skippy. So, to what do you ascribe Timmy’s loss of velocity? Nerves? The ‘unseen injury’ is Drrty’s defense. Why not Timmy? Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t work that way. I mean I’m sure is was an unknown ankle injury that prevented Drrrty from covering home and 1st on those consecutive plays in Washington.

        And, in reality, it IS a concentration issue with Timmy. He left a lazy curve up and it got smacked. Cost him the game. He’s done it too many times this year. I just think it’s funny that you have a death-grip on the Drrty-was-hurt angle.

  16. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Ethier is the one guy this off-season that I would be interested in…keeping him away from the Dodgers would spice that pursuit up….we could at least drive his price sky-high…

    • sandog's avatar sandog said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:54 am

      Yeah…..kinda luck what they did to us with Huff.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:03 am

      Signing Huff after the 2010 season was considered the number one priority. If he’d signed with the Dodgers (along with Uribe), Sabean would have been strung up .

  17. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:50 am

    I realize how difficult it must be to come up with a new and interesting thread everyday and Craig does a great job. But sometimes there isn’t anything that hasn’t been beaten to death already.
    BTW, Dirty’s travails are followed in gleeful detail, I’m not seeing much on the early returns on the Pagan trade. How’s Andres doing so far?

  18. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Twin….I picked up Andres in all my fantasy leagues:)))) Especially with the Flap to begin my ascent to the top…

  19. Nipper's avatar Nipper said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Giants should forgo the AZ games and just stick by the pool. They just are not the same club and why think they should be? One out three would be fine.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:38 am

      Channelling Denny? Have you also awarded the division to LA?

  20. willieD's avatar willieD said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Since I have a short commute I don’t catch much of Tolbert or anyone else on KNBR, he got off a good one before the Kershaw game, saying “Maybe the Giants should just hit 15 ground balls to Dee Gordon.”
    I remember the years SF had to plug Benjie in at clean up—just me, but I don’t think Posey is a prototypical clean up guy either, but the job is his to do.

    • Nipper's avatar Nipper said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:27 am

      Giants need a young thin Barry Bonds. Can his kid hit?

  21. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Well, before Panda got hurt, he could have been the prototypical 4, but he’s also the best hitter, so the 3 or 4 was really a toss up. Maybe when he’s back they should leave Melky in the 3 and go with Panda/Buster 4/5

    • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:32 am

      what about Melky 5?

  22. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Chuck, no offer?

  23. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Aaah. Lemme go back and look.

  24. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I sent it. Don’t know why that didn’t work yesterday.

  25. Del Mar Dennis's avatar Del Mar Dennis said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:00 am

    None of this horseshit matters. The only bit of relevance today is the Flap Fantasy Standings.
    We have a new leader. That’s right. Pussy is on top all of you.

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:05 am

      how many takes did it take for them to do that without CRACKing up?

  26. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:03 am

    What was the point of activating Aubry Huff? Pine-riding, meatless or vegan, takes up a roster space. Play him.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:35 am

      He’s there for his vet presence, Pawlie.

      And I’m serious, sort of.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:50 am

        He’s here because they need some more power. Since we don’t know how much his mental problems affected his play, it behooves them to find out. That’s the serious and honest answer.

    • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:47 am

      If he truly is mentally ready to play baseball, they should have sent him to SJ and/or Fresneck to get some playing time and hacks in (beats the hell outta riding the pine and offering a vet presence).

  27. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Unless Bochy benches Belt again, I’d think Huff and Pill will share LF, although I think Aubrey is on a choke collar.

  28. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:39 am

    I was flipping around a lot over the last 3 games against the Bums with NBA bets (Spurs, Laker sand Heat have completely f’d me in the last 3 days) and a little bit of the playoff hockey, but I was not impressed with the Dodgers…very beatable. We just need to stay in the hunt until Panda is 100%. If you can handle Kemp, that should limit Ethier’s damage. We should have scored more on Lady Bills and Lilly is not a world beater.

    We are letting the Ellis’ beat us…I still think we will be in the division hunt and the wild card a real possibility.

    Phillies suck donkey balls. Three straight games they had the lead going into the 6th or 7th and lost all 3 to the Mets. Marlins have been inconsistent, but should be in play for the wild card and I dont the epxect the Nationals to keep this up, especially wioth the injuries they have had all year. So that just leaves the Cards as rerally the only other major threat on the wild card front. The Braves will probably end up winning that division.

  29. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 11:06 am

    MLB looking to eliminate the 3rd-to-1st pick-off move.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_20592548/major-league-baseball-set-eliminate-trick-1st-and

    • mrmrbill's avatar mrmrbill said, on May 10, 2012 at 11:47 am

      Really not sure why they’re wasting time w/ this. It’s not that successful, doesn’t really hurt anything, fail to see what ditching it would improve. If they’re gonna tinker around w/ stuff, put a cap on the number of throws over to first … like 3 in a row, then have to make a pitch before throwing over again.

      • Irish Kevin's avatar Irish Kevin said, on May 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm

        Then you are giving the advantage to the runner!! He can take off on the first move to the plate. even Panda will rack up steals!!

  30. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on May 10, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Looking forward to Opening Day 2013 when they raise the flag that says:

    San Francisco Giants
    2012 Wild Card Runner Up Champions

    Gillaspie can run it out there….

    • zumie's avatar zumie said, on May 10, 2012 at 11:52 am

      If you get to the World Series, does anyone care how you got there? A few years ago I heard it mentioned that the 2002 Giants were a Wild Card team. That surprised me. I’d totally forgotten that. In fact, right at this moment, I couldn’t tell you for sure which team won the division that year.

      • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 12:07 pm

        I cant remember either…but it seemed like heading into that playoffs, we were the team to beat….had to be D-Backs coming off their WS win?

      • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on May 10, 2012 at 12:08 pm

        yep Douchebags

    • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 12:05 pm

      Ask the Marlins…they won it twice as the wild card.

  31. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Angels were also wild cards in 2002 Anyone bitching about only getting in as the WC is, uh, not an intelligent fan.

    • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on May 10, 2012 at 12:31 pm

      I could give a fuck how the Giants get to the dance…as long as they get there. With their pitching staff (even with the issues with Timmy, loss of Mota, etc.)…I would like their chances (especially if they can start getting those key hits with RISP. 🙂

    • Nipper's avatar Nipper said, on May 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm

      Flappers bitch?

  32. St's avatar St said, on May 10, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Still just 5 back. Pretty remarkable considering. Doubt the Dodgers can play any better or remain free of injuries.
    Still a long way to go.

  33. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on May 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    You know if “Dumb Fuck Shitholtz” doesn’t matter get thrown out rounding 2B that would have made it 3-0 zip with his a good chance to get more off of Barbara,Timmy probably breezes.Shitholtz bonehead play cost them bigtime momentum to hammer the Dodgers early.Pill needs to grab his AB’s Now!!!!

    • Irish Kevin's avatar Irish Kevin said, on May 10, 2012 at 4:07 pm

      Blaming one player for losing the game is not the wisest thing to say. I hardly think that it was Nate’s fault that Tim threw that fat pitch to TG jr.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 5:31 pm

      Timmy is still beyond criticism for many. Forgetting about velocity, stuff, etc. what is most troubling is that he exhibits the lack of composure that would never be expected of him. Craig talked about Belt’s slumped shoulders, Timmy looks like Lassie was shot after giving up a drive like Gwynn’s. When things start to go bad, he seems baffled and lost, not resolute. I know this will not be appreciated by some, but his extreme high and low with his weigt has to be considered also. At one point last spring he was said to be 168 pounds. At the end of the year he was 197. This spring he was back down to 175 ( although he looks about 150). That kind of weight gain and loss is not healthy.

      • zumie's avatar zumie said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:02 pm

        It’s not that it’s not appreciated, it’s just that it’s not necessarily agreed with. Tim has the kind of build that is fast metabolism. And his frame is so slight compared to other major leaguers. He’s always going to look kind of wrung-out when he’s pitching. He’s been hearing that criticism his entire baseball career going back to pony league, probably.

      • zumie's avatar zumie said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:14 pm

        His velocity was better last night, and he had good stuff at times. The three strikeouts of Kemp attest to that. His control was better, overall. But he had a lousy fourth inning.

  34. Nipper's avatar Nipper said, on May 10, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Lets grab a Pill.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on May 10, 2012 at 4:53 pm

      A Pill always goes better with a Belt . . .

  35. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Yeah, Nate made Timmy a bad boy.

  36. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Lady night’s loss had very little to do with Nate– that was more a credit to Kemp’s play than anything else. The loss was 99% on Timmy and that inexcusable fat cookie he threw 0-2 to one of the worst hitters in MLB. Total brain fart lack of concentration on a night he had his best stuff of the year…

  37. mrmrbill's avatar mrmrbill said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Strasburg tearing it up tonight: 6IP 5H 2R 1ER 3BB 13K on 103 pitches, 1.64ERA

  38. zumie's avatar zumie said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Hawk Harrelson, who I actually like, said something the other day that stuck in my mind. He was talking about Ted Williams, and said that Williams always pulled the ball, and had no interest in using the Green Monster. I didn’t know that Williams was a dead-pull hitter. I kind of visualized him as using the whole field. Hawk said they used the big shift against him on defense.
    Which takes me to tonight’s Red Sox game. Adrian Gonzalez hit a high line-drive off the Green Monster for a long single. Gonzalez has a great opposite field swing, and in theory, it’s a cool thing how he can use that wall so well, but…..watching a power hitter line singles off the wall must make some of the Red Sox fans wonder sometimes if that’s all it’s cracked up to be. Gonzalez had a great season last year- 200+ hits, 45 doubles, 27 homeruns. But so far this season he has 2 homeruns.

    • Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on May 10, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      Sure the Angels fans are feeling the same way with Albert and his 1HR right about now as well.

  39. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Vogelsong reportedly went to AZ early to have an injection in his lower back; it stiffened up before his last start. Giants say don’t worry, it’s just “maintenance”. I’m sure I’ve never heard an injection (other than insulin or something similar, not for an acute injury), being called “maintenance”…

  40. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Zumie– The Red Sox are a mess, still. Did you catch *golfgate* with Beckett? And then he went out and got destroyed today. A-Gon could be part of the disinterest that seems to afflict many of the Red Sox players–he didn’t have a very good second half last year (at least compared to his first half). He’s gotten paid, just like Crawford. Who knows, maybe it’s all *chicken wings and beers* from here on out. All I know, and I said this at the time he was hired, is that Valentine was the worst possible choice to stop those players from doing whatever the fuck they chose to do……
    Snarkk–agreed, an injection in your back as maintenance? No fucking way. This could be a big deal…….

  41. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    I’m sure the preference is always to minimize the severity of what’s going on until it’s definitely known-and that makes perfect sense, IMO. A BFD was made about the true nature of Wilson’s injury not being known for 2 whole days. I’m not understanding this urgent need to know before the doctors may even know everything.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:08 pm

      People made a *BFD* about Wilson because it was obvious to *almost* everyone that his *sprained ankle* was an utter bullshit excuse. When you are about to lose your closer to an arm injury, which is what everything pointed to at the time, you get a pass to make a BFD about it. 2 days is an eternity during a time like that for a player like Wilson……..

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm

        It was not a big deal. He reported the arm pain the day after the injury.And injections for back stiffness are common so I don’t see where you guys get it that it’s rare. It SHOULD be rare but sports doctors abuse the use.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:30 pm

        He reported the arm injury AFTER his velocity dipped dramatically in the same game and he claimed to have a sprained foot even though he was sitting in a chair in flip flops after the game and both his feet looked exactly the same (making his *sprain claim* nearly unbelievable).
        Look man, if I say something is a BFD it is, to me. If you say if is then it is, to you. Stop fucking telling everyone on the blog what to think. It’s a place to fucking give opinions it’s not a fucking shooting range…….

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:20 pm

        Actually, I think all I said was that an ankle injury can cause arm problems. Why are you postal again? You’re the one attempting to censure honest opinion. BTW, if Vogelsong makes his next start,as they say he will, is it still a big deal?

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:42 pm

      I have never prevented anyone from blowing shit out of proportion.I enjoy it. Good reading. And I guess we’ll find out about the latest huge problem- they say it isn’t a BFD-not me..

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:48 pm

        of course they say it isn’t a BFD, that’s SOP for major league teams. But they all lie about everything. And I understand why they do it, especially with the twit-idiot onslaught of info that the world has to absorb these days. But if it looks like a red flag it’s perfectly fine to throw it out there that you see it as such. Why should I have to wait for the official team report to post that I think a player is injured? Especially when all signs point to that?

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:56 pm

        I don’t care nor did I infer that I cared that you think they’re lying. But I also know that you are wrong, as is Snarkk, that injections for a stiff back are rare or neccessarily a sign of something serious. I don’t care one little bit whether you make it a BFD- I just stated my opinion that it isn’t.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:02 pm

        Whatfuckignever–then post your opinions about back injections and STFU about everyone else’s opinions. You also posted your undying support for the *ankle sprain* that you heard from the team report. Being the only one who believed that hoo-haw, you must have been flabbergasted when it turned out he actually had a serious arm problem…..

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:33 pm

        Actually I was flabbergasted that you rejected my posts last year that said he was hurt then. The arm trouble this year was hardly a surprise, I’d been pointing out his velocity drop and over reliance on the slider all of 2011. I think your thought was that he partied too much.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 10:47 pm

        I will continue to state my opinions, including my opinions of other comments. This is a blog and everyone has had that right here.You can’t possibly be serious that I am now to be the only one to be banned from commenting about other posts. *THAT* is a BFD… Again, I could give a rat’s ass that you make everything a medical conspiracy and think the team doctors owe you, me, or any other fan an immediate diagnosis of an injury. Go for it, no one has prevented you or anyone else here from stating their opinion.

  42. paulinasia's avatar paulinasia said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Zum, that Green Monster at Fenway giveth, and it taketh away, the fans all know that. Lazy high not too deep fly balls that would be outs in most parks can clear or nick the wall, resulting in “cheap” hits (often for extra bases), while the long hard line drives we’ve talked about here recently that would be home runs in most parks end up being doubles and often singles. Line drive hitters are best to use the gaps, not go directly to left.

  43. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Man, doom time in May on the Flap.
    Wilson is out, so what? We have a stud bullpen, have em all grow goatees and sell “Flee the Tee” tee shirts or something.
    Timmy is a head case? OK, get his old man down here, so he can make Tim run the bleachers while whacking upside the head.
    Panda being out is huge, I don’t think I was the only one worried about a lack of a back-up for him back in spring. Wasn’t Pill playing some ST games there?
    Belt? I’m sick of hearing about the cry baby. If they don’t want to play him, fuck him, trade his ass to the A’s for Inge and a high prospect pitcher and get him back when the A’s can’t afford him (after he figures it out, and yes, I think he will).

    Or, just ride May out until the team gels and we go and win the fucking West (anyone who has bet the Dodgers or Rocks to win the division, well,l I hope it wasn’t their retirement fund.).

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:26 pm

      “trade him for Inge”—classic. How’s your life dude? Living large on stilts? What happened to your friend’s cabin?

      • Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm

        Flav, we got back from NOLA Tuesday night and the house is still on temp pylons (they are like Lincoln logs). The contractor says the stilts will be put in on Tuesday. It was a trip watching them raise the house and I can’t wait to see them drive those beams into the ground with the house hanging above them. I’m still floored by the chimney not being attached to the ground, it’s like that cartoon where the guy uses balloons to float his house away.
        We are living in the fishing cabin and we have power although the stove doesn’t work (it’s not a home, it’s and adventure).

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        Thanks for the update. Lately, I’ve been worrying far too much about a clown I’ve never met who lives thousands of miles away. 🙂 Take care dude.

      • Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:48 pm

        Flav I’ll send you some pictures if you’re interested. It was weird for me, I know they move houses and all, but I have never seen one raised before.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:52 pm

        Hell yeah I want to see some pictures. Send ’em on.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm

      Belt hasn’t cried about shit-I take care of that for him…
      I think Timmy’s Dad was severing the cord after Tim went feet up in August 2010..he might have to figure this out with Dr. Phil
      Panda being out shouldn’t be as bad as it’s been- last year Tejada took over third, Rowand was playing a lot, Huff was sucking, ditto Burrell, Ppsey went down before he was back, etc. And they went 25-16.

      • Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on May 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        I know twin. What I’m thinking is we’ve all gotten on the Old Seals Fan bus lately and this would be a good time to get off of it (before we get a taste for gin and chocolate milk).

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on May 10, 2012 at 9:14 pm

        Hope you’re well, Bozo. I’m as good as can be- have to learn to do everything “left-sided”, it’s a chore…optimism is a fragile commodity, always has been- even about a trivial ballgame. None of us are immune to making the game more important than it is, hell, having the games has saved my sanity if not my life. If the Niners hadn’t had their big year I might have had to watch Shane 120 more times…

      • Nipper's avatar Nipper said, on May 11, 2012 at 4:47 am

        Gin and chocolate milk will cure anything.


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