Who’s better? 2010 or 2012?
And screw jinxes, as Craig said: no such thing.We’re going to the playoffs as the West champs. And forget last night.
Torres vs. Pagan- remember, this is the 2010 Vungo. Angel has the edge in BA, OBP is about even, and Angel will have a slight edge in SB. Andres gets the nod in power and defense. These are small differences by and large. This is close and in the interest of amity and goodwill and all that, I’m calling this one even.
Fruckie vs. Scooter- because of the way he’s played since we got him, the temptation is to go with Marco. But Freddie was just too good all year and his defense gives him the nod, IMO.
Panda vs. Uribe- another tight one. The injuries have taken a toll on Pablo this year. Have to go with Juan.
Buster vs. Buster: the rookie of the year vs. one of the MVP favorites. This year’s Buster is the guy.
Pence vs. Ross- remember with all of these- the postseason performance in 2010 doesn’t count. I’m going with Hunter.
Belt vs. Huff- it may not have been a “career year”, as he had some other good ones, but Aubrey was a big part of the heart and soul of that 2010 team. Such a shame that he’ll be remembered for what followed. But he’s the man in this comparison.
Burrell vs. the Field- The Bat takes it.
Renteria vs. Mudbug- Brandon has been so spectacular in the field, it has to be him. And he’s hitting about 50 points more than someone posting as me thought he would. Crawford.
So I’m calling 4 positions to the 2010 squad, 3 to 2012, and one even. But these aren’t huge edges either way. Even with Burrell, if it’s Blanco, his defense and speed narrow the gap.
Bench: even with Hector’s big advantage over Whitey, have to go with the 2010 group headed by Ishi, Nate, and Pablo.
Pitching: have to be honest. Huge advantage to the 2010 staff. Virtually everyone who’s still here was better then, save MadBum. And Wilson was dominant.
Conclusion: we’ll probably hit better than in 2010 and we will absolutely have to. Defense could be crucial- we’re better now. But we’ll face a much better team than Atlanta in the NLDS. No prediction yet, but this will be a tough go. But I say: Let’s do it again!
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“We will always remember ” – 9/11/01
And, not to take away from the importance of today’s date but as a Giant fan I’ll always remember 11/1/10.
I won’t get into measuring up this year’s team with 2010 but I will say these two teams have something in common and to me it’s they’re both Teams. Always trying to pick up the other guy always fighting with one goal in mind, to win. Like 2010 we’ve seen a lot of individual gutty performances and individual failings but as a team they have overcome a lot. People talk about the “easy” schedule the Giants have, well they’ve already gone through the “tough” part of the schedule (I’m not one for calling any team a given). How far will they go? I don’t know but I’ve paid for my ticket and I’m along for this ride.
This is tough because you’re comparing their seasons and when I think of 2010 I think mostly of September as their *money* month–leading the league in bombs when every single one of them seemed to matter. And Dirrrrty clutching up in the final game of the season with the the players and coaches exploding onto the field— that’s an image that makes it impossible for me to do anything other than give it to the 2010 guys over the 2012 guys on every one of those comparisons.
I still think that what Pagan did (and continues to do) after Melky went bye-bye is the biggest thing to happen to the team this year, so far, in terms of saving them and keeping them going. But Vungo, after his first 15 or so at bats of the 2010 season, was THE man waving the magic wand on that team.
The 2010 pitching has the 2012 crew completely over a barrel, especially considering the reliability of that bullpen…….
And Renteria did nothing until the playoffs and his bomb, outside of the team clubhouse presence thing. So I think Crawford dominates him in terms of comparing their seasons. What’s he made, 1 error in 80 games or something ridiculous? And he’s had huge hits all year long.
So all in all, I agree with almost all of yours but if we waited till the end of the season and did it then I might feel differently about a few of them…….
Anbd I’m sure we’ll take another look at the end of the regular saesonn.
Twin – excellent choice, I rarely see a season so clearly, but I do see the Giants winning the west and I am not afraid to say so.
Almost all those players from 2010 were having a terrific runs. This year looks so different because this team could be here next year and that enters into my evaluations. So does the knowledge that the 2010 team went all the way.
Pagan the xtra base machine, pagan the sparkplug and yet, pagan with the defensive and HR deficit. too Slight edge to Pagan
I am going with Crawford as his defence has matured and he gets streaks of offence.
I like scooter for his clubhouse leadership, 2010 Fruckie the better player.
Posey is a MVP level catcher. He may be (not proven) the clubhouse cancer no one wants, but he is stellar as a player.
Huff rolled through 2010 and Burrell has no one to compare to in left just yet. Ross is doing well in Boston and we miss Nate’s arm, still I like Pence who has been rbi-ing while hitting as many homers as Buster so far this season.
Hands down – The pitching is in a bit of a trough right now. Our starters are less dominate and no Wilson. I do like the CBC because of the way Bruce is handling it and if any team has the staff to fight through pitching slumps it is this one.
Right now 2012 is the team for me, but no one compares to 2010, a band of miSFits.
I like Twin’s confidence! Bravo!
Gotta admit I’m a CBC guy, and while I think this group is short a ramirez type RH set up guy compared to 2010, it seems like that’s what Bochy is trying to do with Casilla. Coming in 7th/8th with RISP in relief of a SP is often harder to do than closing with the lead and no one on base. Casilla definitely has his groove back.
From there Bochy goes match ups with lopez romo, and both have been dominant. No one was more successful than Wilson, but my god he was the epitome of torture. Given that the SPs are not near as dominant this year (and of course having to operate without a Wilson) I think there is actually less late inning drama 2012. All credit to staff and mgmt, bochy and rags.
One caveat to my earlier post would be Affeldt…it’d sure be nice to have the DP machine that was the 2010 version rolling now!
Ok last one, quick shout out to SanDawg: My godson is in a video from mlb.com on the “pad squad” babes at Petco. He’s in the first 10 seconds or so, in white Pads shirt and blue hat, standing next to his buddy and then this blonde jumps in btw them and he has his arms around two babes. I have no idea how to post this; if you can’t find it on mlb.com maybe I’ll email it to flav.
I’m not into cheerleader babe type stuff anywhere (exception made for snarkk’s video posted here!), but at least it’s something nice for kids/families, and the outfits aren’t overly sexy.
Meanwhile Pads continue to be a good story, spanking Cards last night 11-3, Denorfia with 4 hits. Saw they signed him to 2 yr deal last week–good move, he’s solid imo and I wish SF had a shot at this guy for next year. And in yet another amazing bit of pure coincidence, an A’s guy winds up in NL West to torment the Giants.
Casilla had the role he has now in 2010 also. If one could list a pen peckng order in 2010 after the deadline it was: Wilson, Romo, Casilla, Ramirez, Mota with the lefties Affeldt and Lopez as needed.The guy who had Ramirezes’ tole much of this year was Hensley. Whether it’s CBC or the traditional set up, one can see the superiority of the 2010 crew right away- the vastly superior “long” guys.. No one is “holding the fort” this year.This is just my opinion, of course. BTW, 2009 was Affeldt’s magical DP season, not 2010.
Nice analysis, Michael. And John makes a good point, that regardless of the differences in the teams, the common thread between 2010 and this year is they are both TEAMS.
And Michael…LMAO in relation to your bit on Crawford: “And he’s hitting about 50 points more than someone posting as me thought he would.”
I won’t get into the position-by-position analysis…by and large agree with Twin’s spin.
And like Edd (and Michael) – I’m not afraid to stick it out there..the Giants will be in the post-season representing as NL West Division Champions. I cannot wait to see the pennent flying over our yard, and to belly-up and buy my NL West Division Champ shirt!
Orange and Black Forever! GO GIANTS!
Dude. So right. I’m ready to buy one now. In fact, I’ll bet unofficial sites have ’em.
The pen is definitely weaker. The starters? 2010 Timmy is worlds better that the 2012 version. Cain is a wash. Bummie was rounding into shape by the September run. He’s a little bit better now, 2012 Zits is the big improvement over the 2010 version. Drrty vs Vogie? Well, it would have been easily Vogie but he’s on a bit of a slide lately, and Drrty saved a couple of his best starts during the September push. So, it isn’t as obvious to me that the 2012 starters are too much worse than the 2010 guys.
Anyhow, it’s hard to compare when we’re still in the middle of all this. If these guys go ahead and win it all, then you can say what’s better here or there.
Both these teams though, definitely wear the character of their manager on their sleeves. It’s all about the team and the fight. Not about the individual stats or personal glory.
Frankly, the pitching is scaring me a little. These are the dog days, and some of these guys are looking tired. Vogie is getting wobbly. Timmy is wobbly. Zits is Zits. The CBC is working well enough. I LIKE the fact that Casilla is the fire-douser. Much like the imterminable arggument from a couple years back of why don;t you use your closer when it is the 7th inning, there are runners on base, and you need to get a couple outs. This is exactly the role Casilla has now. Romo still scares the piss out of me as a closer, but he’s really not cast in stone there.
The comparison is the team going into the postseaon, winning it all has nothing to do with this. And we’re far enough along that very little is going to change the analysis- but unless someone else attempts it, I’ll do anoither on the eve of the postseason…
Casilla is not being used differently than in 2010 or 2011- the set up guys and loogies have always been the guys who pitch most with runners on..the so called CBC is really just Romo amd the loogy of the day. Zito? The numbers don’t support that he’s better this year, but I’m done with argument- even numbers guys are ignoring them.
Yeah, good point that post-season analysis doesn’t count when comparing the two teams down the stretch in the regular season, because as much as I think I remember that September, of course the post-season is what really stands out for players like Ross. Also think that pitching is the big difference between the two teams. As in, not quite as solid as it was 2 years ago. It’s getting late for experimentation and I am not a believer of the CBC. Oh well…. I’ve already started thinking about the first round match-up in the playoffs. Have somewhat lamented that the Giants will likely open in Cincy or Washington, the latter being especially difficult. But, interesting to note that Washington and Cincy (as well as Atlanta) have better or comparable road records than the Giants. Right now, opening on the road against either of those teams might be a good thing, the way the Giants are playing away these days. I’m hoping for Cincy, think we can beat them in their park. The Nats… solid looking team, home or away, and hoping their first round opponent can knock them off…
Edd – In relation to your comment: “Posey is a MVP level catcher. He may be (not proven) the clubhouse cancer no one wants, but he is stellar as a player.” I don’t get it. Did I miss something? I know there is supposedly a riff between Tim and Buster, but other than that, I have heard nothing about him being a negative club-house presence. On the other-hand, I thought he was very highly respected by most of the players and coaches, both on the field and off. Just curious from where that thought came?
I wondered the same thing. This is Buster’s team… so I’ve been thinking. Maybe that pisses Tim off, who knows, but yeah, I haven’t gotten the sense that Buster’s a problem; just the opposite. He’s the young defacto captain of this team, unless there’s a bunch of crap going on that we don’t know about. Agree with some earlier posts that it’s weird that Bochy allows this Tim-Buster thing to continue. Wonder if that could end up being an odd factor in the playoffs, juggling lineups to accommodate a supposed rift between a couple of the star players…. Hard to really fathom what’s going on there.
It’s hard to disagree that the pitching as a whole is worse tis year- I think we’re all in accord on that. The whys and wherefores differ and that’s why we have blogs- so that others with inferior opinions to my own can still have a say 😉
Right now I wonder if Bochy would go with a 3 man rotation in the NLDS. It’s still just a 5 game and we do have two “horses” in Cain and MadBum who should be able to at least give us 5 innings each in games 4 and 5 if neccessary and then go to the pen. And then Bochy makes a decision on the 4th starter for the NLCS depending on the match up. Leaving both Zits and Vogie off the NLDS roster works better for Bochy’s style as he can have 8 relievers ( Kontos, Mijares, Hensley, Mota, Affeldt, Lopez, Casilla, Romo ).In this scenario if we don’t see Kontos and Hensley we’ve won the series..
I don’t want to see Hensley, except at his regatta.
I second that! I read today:
“Clay Hensley (right groin strain) will be activated off the disabled list Tuesday, bringing the active roster to 37 players. Hensley has not appeared in a game since August 26 but has been throwing bullpen sessions during his stint on the disabled list.”
He can keep “throwing on the side” for all I care.
It’s not terribly important whether you or I or anyone else ion the blog likes him. The fact is that he had pitched well until his last few outings- particularly in stranding runners. Bochy attributes the drop off to his injury. If so, he’d been far better than anyone else who has been used in his role.
And self-important blowhards have theirs 😛
Twin, an intriguing and thoughtful, even provocative [would we expect less?] analysis. I often shy from hard nuts-and-bolts analysis that requires tough choices, but here goes, in response to yours above:
— Torres. Tough call. But I’ll give it to Vungo based on power.
— Scutaro. No figures handy, but I’d venture that Fruckie’s bigger value was in the postseason. Scooter has been transformative.
— Uribe. For power and big BIG-time hits.
— Buster 2012.
— Pence, because Ross was mostly ignored by Bochy until the playoffs.
— Huff. For actions and spirit. And he could still pleasantly surprise us down the stretch.
— Burrell. For the chix. And HRs.
— Crawford. Renteria was mostly a non-factor until postseason.
–Bench. 2010. Ishi, Nate. Yes.
— Pitchers: 2010, considerably.
— Conclusion: I’m only commenting on the regular season; I give a slight edge to the 2010 team because of the pitching and because the 2010 team WAS BATTLE-TESTED, TORTURE-TESTED. That helped them. I make no predictions. I typically do not. I’ll simply say these are VERY DIFFERENT teams in substance in personality. I see us going into the postseason; would be hugely disappointed if we did not. Beyond that, who knows? I never expected us to go as far as we did in that manner in 2010. I do think the knowledge that it COULD happen again helps us, gives us confidence as an organization. Go, Giants! Good topic. Go, Gigantes!
I have been waiting for this question and the answer is this: Nothing I am thinking detracts from the company line that Buster is a clubhouse leader. IMHO there are signs that he could be polarizing and/or leader of a clique that may or may not include Bruce.
OR it could be he does not WANT to be that person. Just something I am watching and of course I am a bit far away from the action. So I thought it was time for me to include that guess in my comments. We can see how it plays out. Clubhouse cancer is probably too strong and too limiting to describe what IS going on. But like all things it works for shorthand purposes and requires less thinking on my part.
I have nothing against Buster. And, as stated, nothing is proven. I certainly do not see him as a loose cannon or wild child brat type.
It is however my guess *at this point in time*. What I do know is that something is going on and it probably will never amount to much outside the confines of the clubhouse. But if someone else notices it is out there.
And I have seen other indications of a riff, not involving anyone named Tim and I need to pay more attention. Remember I am often wrong and always ready for revision.
So, in relation to your comment “he are signs that he could be polarizing and/or leader of a clique that may or may not include Bruce” what am I missing? I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe Buster is part of an clique. Can you elaborate on your observations…exactly what you have seen?
Also, if your observations (indications of a riff) do not include someone named Tim, who has it involved? I just am not seeing it, and am curious as to your perceptions. Sure, there “may be” something going on between Lincecum and Posey, but I only get this from what I read…nothing else to support this.
Buster strikes me as a *get your work in* kind of guy. it’s possible that he sees people *NOT* doing that and it pisses him off. which could cause a rift if he doesn’t handle it correctly. As a young guy, he may not feel that he’s the guy to address it. or if he feels he’s the leader, he did address it and pissed off a vet.
I DO like that ring.
And, yes, as has been pointed out, a day of sober reflection and remembrance. 9/11/01.
My calendar at home says Patriots Day (with perhaps an apostrophe thrown in, or an S deleted). I’m going to vote against that name. I prefer to be a patriot every day. And quietly.
Back to baseball, and a worthy topic of debate.
Buster/Tim: while we see him cheering his mates as wildy as anyone, we’ve also seen an extremely petulant young man in Lincecum. Add a couple of mysterious cases of the flu or food poisoning or whatever the story was for each incident. (Tim later let the cat out of the bag on the All-Star incident when he said that Matt would keep a short leash on him “this time” ). What I’m getting to is that Tim seems more likely to be the one with a problem. More so than even other star athletes, Tim seems to have had no real childhood. He’s a tough kid but he’s facing something he’s undoubtedly never been confronted with: he’s just not “all that” now, and while he says the right things, he may be looking somewhere other than within to explain what’s happening with him. Dad seems to have cut the cord as well… not just physically, compare Tim and Matt- Tim is still a boy, really.
And so opines Dr. Mike…
I remember when the Melky thing hit, everyone to a man said, for all the cool things Melky brought to the team with his hitting and such, that he wasn’t in any way a clubhouse ‘presence.’ Most all of them said that Buster was the leader of the clubhouse and the team.
‘Tim seems to have had no real childhood’? Thank you Dr. Phyllis.
To what do you base this on? How is he different than the myriad other MLB players?
His father had an even greater and controlling influence than most based on every mothefucking account. And don’t insult me with the gender change.
Waaah! Bullshit. You think you have some sort of special insight into this? Speculation. Nothing but speculation. So shut up abolut it already.
Timmy’s a punk? Gee, that’s a stretch Sure, he trashed his apartment after last season. So did Uribe. And about 5,000 other guys.
I never said he was a punk. He’s a very talented and immature young man. If you disagree, do it in a civil manner.
Well Casilla WAS the closer, Mike. Now he isn’t. The CBC is still how Bochy is doing this. No one has a set role. Casilla still has the best ability to get out of jams IMO. THAT is how Bochy is using him.
He’s being used now just as he was in previous years.
Not til the blister cropped up this year.
No one said he wasn’t the closer earlier. Since he was removed as closer, he’s been used as he always was.
If the media in this area had any cojones, they’d seek out the real problems, if there are any, between Buster and the pitchers. So far, they’ve chosen not to report on it, even if they know what it is. I suspect they know, but like wimps will keep quiet until the offseason to protect their access during the season. If they don’t know and aren’t trying to find out, then they’re not doing their jobs. If this were New York, the media would be all over this. Schulman said last week he didn’t believe the Buster “rest” theory anymore with Tim starts. So, what was Schulman’s alternative theory? Bupkus. Consequently, any opinions as to who is responsible for the troubles, if there are any, are just that. Opinion. My opinion is that there IS something to it, but I have no idea what it is, and certainly won’t go to the point of alleging blame based on dimestore psychology…
Instead of your pennystore unfounded allegations on everything else? There’s more than speculation to support that Tim is immature for a man his age. I base my observations on his public behavior and my wisdom in such matters,. Based on your previous comments, we’ll go with the notion that he ran out of PEDs..
Your observations and wisdom in such matters are so provably better than anybody else’s, as usual. Thanks for the clarification…
You’re welcome.
and with Buster hitting 20 of his 21 bombs playing catcher, that’s also something to consider (in terms of being weakened offensively when he plays first base)
Go Mike go. You say shit like Timmy had no childhood and you take exception to Snarkk saying there’s an underlying problem not being reported? Timmy’s immature? So are about 75% of ALL ballplayers in ANY sport.
Christ, Timmy’s public ‘behavior’ for the most part is better than about 90% of the guys out there, and worse than a few. I’m happy you feel so good about your ‘wisdom’ but is doesn’t mean you know what is going on. Your shit has as much gravitas as the ether these posts fly through.
I didn’t take exception to his comment about an “underlying problem”. As usual, you misread the post. Now butt out. Earlier I stared an opinion without attackibng you or anyone else. Move on.
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Timmy, the Michael Jackson of baseball. Spare me.
Now THAT is an ad hominem attack on Lincecum.
You said it, mike.
I never said any such thing, Chuck.
Actually, there are many accounts of Tim’s childhood for those who are into gaining a little insight into the young man.
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I didn’t attack anyone’s opinion, Chuck. You did. It’s something you’ll need to learn not to do.
I see the thread sort of a took a different turn, more like -What’s the matter with the Giants? Well let me answer that one for ya. They’re in First.
Next question,
Panda is a fat slob, isn’t he? Well no, not really. He’s been wearing a fat suit these days in an effort to fully live the Kung Fu Panda persona.
Next
Blanco is just useless dog meat isn’t he? Nope. He’s more like a car in need of a tune-up, his wheels are aligned and ready to roll.
Next
What’s wrong with Vogs? Actually I think his wife already answered this questions. She has said his pitching got better when she performed her wifely duties. Get her some knee pads and let her straighten Vogs out.
OK, last question
What is the deal with Buster and Timmy? Saving the big question for last, I see. Well Timmy has a bit of a nasally voice and it bugs the shit out of Buster, whereas Hector finds it kind of endearing so Sanchez gets the call.
OK, back to your regularly scheduled program, The Jim Tracy “Will this Season Ever End” show.
LMAO. Thanks, John. Needed that!
Thank you Bozo for cleaning up
I did not try to start an incendiary series of comments. I appreciate ewisco, snarkk, twin chiming in with healthy comments, supporting mine, saying there _could_ be *some* discord *somewhere* especially with all the good juju this team has it remains conjecture and will probably mean NOTHING. I did say it was an observation, an opinion, but one I felt needed some looking for in the coming fortnight of games. Or not.
I didn’t ask to see what I saw, but it is like when someone says, “it was a white Toyota” and all of a sudden you see white cars everywhere. I was minding my own business, but now I have to look for it. Specific times and events will be recorded in the future.
I am not sure of the correct words to describe what I’ve seen only to continue to observe. I do think TL is his own worse critic and is having problems battling himself over this season and perhaps being too sensitive, immature, whatever it is. I also think ped guy leaving had something to do with Pagan’s second wind.
I also want nothing better than for Posey to succeed. I love the team chemistry.
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Although this email has my own thoughts, I would sincerely encourage everyone to look for the truth themselves.
We all have every right to engage in any level of department store pyschology we like. I think my “Dr. Mike” note should have been sufficient for any adult without an ax to grind to see that I was making makng conjecture, much of it based on what we’ve all seen. Edd, you didn’t start any incendiary commentary, let’s all keep on, this was a nice thread with good comments.
Ed, sorry if I took it too far in asking for answers to your observations. I simply thought maybe you had seen/observed something specific that I (or others on the blog) had not. Not a big deal.
BTW – sounds like one tasty dinner.
Good eats fer sure, but I wish I could walk out in the woods and gather the pine nuts like you guys in the foothills can.
cheers
On a personal note I just cooked stuffed portobellos with a tofu, onion, pine nut stuffing seasoned with chilli peppers and topped with grated parmesan.
yummy dinner for eddacker
Well as usuall this blogg is highly entertaining, it always has humor, good analysis, and a little bit of sniping! All in all fun to read. I have to say I wish Dennis could have toned it down a notch or two. I miss his comments and humor. Gentlemen you are all great in your own way. Like I have said I am not a stat guy, I just love baseball and the Giants. As far as the 10′ and 12′ teams go, when the 2012 team wins the WS they will both be even!!
There are a lot of very opinionated people here- one has named names of Giants he suspects of using PEDs, without any support for the allegation. Players are absurdly claimed to be on the team because they’re buddies with the manager. Because overweight people have no sympathy even from PC types, a player may be called a “fat fuck’…in short, there are far more out of line comments than one making conjecture about Tim’s maturity level- which, setting aside all other incidents and the controlling hand his father had in his youth, could not be more clearly demonstrated than in the All-Star game incident where he, uh, had a lttle too much fun prior to the game (as he later acknowledged rather cleverly). none of this is an indictment of Linecum, I have far more sympathy for his troubles than those all het up about my comments.
I’ll add that the idea that Bochy should make the matter public and the beat reporters should be on this like they were going for Romney’s tax returns, is just,uh-not sensible. If Bochy is keeping it private, it’s his and the team’s business, and there could be a very good reason for it. The impact of some blogger speculation is not of any importance whatsover.
AmyG says she will host a live chat during innings 4-7 tonight. Probably via comcast web site, info to come.
“blogger speculation” is the very essence of blogging. People can speculate all the want as long as it doesn’t break any rules. Speculate your asses off…….
I wear spectacles, I have made a spectacle of myself, but this is the first year I have been able to speculate about the inner workings of my team. I learned that from you guys. And it is good. thanks
Edd,you more you post, the better the blog is.
thanx, Mike, I have always valued your opinion.
I just found out you use golf balls to learn how to crack an egg with one hand.
I was going through a lot of eggs until then.
Pagan CF
Scutaro 2B
Sandoval 3B
Posey C
Pence RF
Belt 1B
Blanco LF
Crawford SS
Bumgarner LHP
Rockies:
Fowler CF
Rutledge SS
Gonzalez LF
Rosario C
Pacheco 1B
Nelson 3B
McBride RF
LeMahieu 2B
Chacin RHP
from twitter:
Gmen and As are tied for the best win percentage on the road since the All-Star break: .731 (19-7)
per Henry:
Bochy came to work at noon and watched some Panda hitting video. Saw some things out of whack, including his balance Bochy, Sandoval, Hensley Meulens and Joe Lefebvre then met so the staff could tell Pablo what they saw.
I think that extra 40 lb of goo Pablo’s toting around affects his balance as well . . .
It’s their home record that is troubling. 11-15?
Edd, as you know, and you had a great post about it, obesity is not necessarily an elective matter. Many people can eat very little and gain weight, others can eat pounds of fast food and hardly gain at all. Thanks for that post, I wish I could find it, it should have been POTY.
Pablo tries too hard often, especially with men on base. Let’s just hope no one tries to alter the approach that has made him a good hitter.
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I love sumo wrestling. Ain’t kidding, either.
This Pablo weight conversation reminds me of what I tell my wife, who is an attorney…”baby, if you made more money, I could stay at home with the kids, work out all day long and be your trophy husband.”. Untill that happens Iam going to continue to eat and drink whatever the fuck I want.
I’m a first-class pussy when it comes to blog debates, known in academic circles as “urinational contretemps,” or “pissing matches” in Appalachia. It must be my confrontation-averse-pussy nature. HOWEVER, I’ll tip my toe into these rippling waters of debate. I don’t know about any feud or rift or whatever. But UNSCIENTIFICALLY reading Tim’s body language and mannerisms and facial expressions and inconsistencies, I lean toward the very tentative conclusion that — pause — SOMETHING IS GOING ON. I’m not going to mar someone’s reputation, but I will merely surmise that he is escaping the way young men do — booze might be one outlet. Again, I tread softly because I do not have hard data — but Lord knows people have been “convicted” based on less in our culture. I am just reading the tea leaves and conclude that I would not be the least bit shocked to hear more about this, including some sort of measures to treat “it,” in the offseason.
Or not.
. . .
In other news, don’t look now, but the Phils ain’t dead. One game below .500 and in the WC mix. The Brewers too. Now wouldn’t THAT be crazy? And I think this could be make or break for the O’s or Rays. And, sad to say, the Bucs were not built to last. How do you spell “crash”?
Is Nady coming back soon? He was fun while he lasted. More than Jose Guillen in 2010.
Pav’s blog said, “Xavier Nady was available off the bench last night and continues to progress.” Sounds like the Giants are hoping he’ll be ready for the Arizona series this weekend, especially since they’re facing three lefties.
Chuck please check your email
Wasn’t it Zito who said (thought I saw this on Pav’s blog) that he “should have shook Posey off more often” after a recent start?
Yep..And if i recall, Pav really buried that in the middle of his story.
I remember him saying that Posey called some change ups that he said he should have shaken off. He added that it wasn’t Posey’s fault… so why bring it up? I thought it was a pretty bullshit thing to say, especially from a vet.
Agree completely. Why put it out there if you don’t mean you didn’t like what he called and threw it anyway? Whose fault is that?
Btw, I do a lqtm every time I hear the name of Rox C. There is a Latin big band leader named Willie Rosario whose music I’ve enjoyed for 30 yrs. He is known as Mr. Swing, “Senor Afinque”. Had a big dance hit in the latin market with a song “Damelo” AKA “Anuncio Classificado” with lead singer Primi Cruz. Great sound, 4 trumpets and a bari, 3 percussionists, piano and bass.
willie this is how Baggs reported it.
“Posey, he has a great idea for hitters, but you can’t always guess 100 percent of the time,” said Zito, who gave up three runs on seven hits. “I’m upset that I threw a couple changeups there. That’s my job to shake. It’s nothing Posey is doing wrong.”
Still think it shouldn’t be talked about in public, but I guess they worked OK together Sunday, huh?
Ever play any Latin percussion instruments, man? I’d love to learn timbal or congas…maybe when I get to the old folks home I could pound away on them and nobody would notice.
I did get into some congas back in the late seventies. I do have a LP pair of bongos that you can play either with your hands or sticks. I had a ton of Brazilian toys but most didn’t make it through the years (still have my guica and some hand bells as well as a couple hand carved bird whistles from Brazil but lost my rain stick and most of my shakers). As I get older, hand drums might be the way to go.
People are funny on drums. You put some little kids on them and they go wild. Let an adult play them and they get really tentative. I think because they can be louder than people think so they get worried that someone can hear them or something. Kids seem to love the fact that drums are inherently loud.
Enjoy the game, guys. And whatever happens this evening, we’re winning the West, no sweat…
I was listening to Flemming on the radio,when the freakin Pitcher took Vogs yard,early in the AB he was saying how this guy doesn’t hit much and had 13K’s in his 24 AB’s.So Vogs throws a FB,down the middle guy hits it out just foul to LF,Posey suggests a breaking ball,Vogs balks at,shakes him off and goes with the cheese,same location,this time didn’t miss it with a no-doubt HR.
Right now the way Vogs has been throwing ,he should STFU and let Posey call the pitches for him!!! Cannot let a freakin pitcher beat you with your Macho attitude, throwing right to the only spot this chump could handle.
Another pitcher hurts the Giants with his bat. Un-friggin-believable.
Spoiler alert.
Bum – Holy shit.
And MadBum gets even!
Mac, you know the hitters are going to hear it unless they start picking it up.
New game.
I’ve said it so often here it even bores me: saw MadBum hit a GS in AA. Binghamton. 2009, I think.
Where is Arias? Is his hammy better yet? Pablo needs a blow. Maybe an Arias spot start at third just to give Panda a mental break or something.
The Rockies guys said they interviewed Panda and his wrist is still sore from the operation. So yeah he could probably use a blow. I think Scutaro could use one as well, he’s looking a bit tired at Second (although his bat speed seems fine).
Heard this in the car: until tonight, the Mets had gone 110 innings without scoring more than a run at home. At first, maybe at second, I thought they said 110 GAMES, which would not be credible. But still . . .
Look at Scutaro’s stance next time. A faint whisper of a shadow of an echo of Aaron Rowand’s stance. But not quite, thank you.
Rox announcers claim Pablo’s hand is hurting as evidenced by his swing.
Belt.
I like Amy G. a lot better than the Rox broadcast chick. And Jim Tracy strikes me as ever-so-slightly doltish, but that is unfair, since I’m basing it on about 28 secs.
Pawlie, Phils win again. If they can beat Miami again tomorrow, they got four at Houston coming up, so it might not be crazy . . .
MadBum couldn’t get thru 5. And there goes our biggest bat tonight.
Five innings complete, I’m thinking the rain is way too much and the game should be called.
Should we try a rain dance? Or as George Carlin once said, “There will be a rain dance Friday night, weather permitting”
Man I miss George.
I miss Phyllis George…
Bochy is sticking to his guns.He said he’s not about to drop Sandoval from the 3rd spot and upset the LU that is winning ballgames.
“We’ve being going OK like this,”Bochy said, “I don’t know if it’s time to start changing things right now.Were in a good position.You want to keep some continuity right now.
“We’re goi.g to keep going the way were going right now.If we think we need to make a change later,we’ll do it.
Couldn’t agree more with Bochy….This is the stretch run,you want the same stable LU.When we clinch
early,then they can get a blow they deserve.Shit last few games of the year after they clinch,empty the bench and even start Todd”Gasoline on the Fire Wellenmeyer for all i freakin care.
IF the Giants clinch with a few games to go, put Pablo on a treadmill for three days, with protein drinks every two hours…
Huff wins SOTY. Slide of the year. Both teams laughing. Roberto Kelley couldn’t contain himself. Huff slightly out of shape.
If he adds another 20 lbs, he could try to imitate Jason Giambi for us.
The Huffster is 3 for 5 in September.
Huff and Burriss have both made some nice contributions . They each have assets that can help in the stretch.
Belt – Dinger.
That a Boy Brandon! HR swing would be major down the Stretch! Keep Hacking!
Just RBI and runs, here’s how the guys are doing this month, through now:
Belt 12 RBI 4 R
Scooter 8 RBI 6 R
Pagan 5 RBI 8 R
Buster 7 RBI 9 R
Pence 7 RBI 4 R
Panda 4 RBI 4 R
Crawford 1 RBI 7 R
Bad Mota Jamma lookin’ good. Let’s hope he’s…..CLEAN. (grin)
Kershaw blinks first in the matchup with Kennedy, ‘Zona 1-0 thru 7.
Affeldt, again with crap fielding. WTF is going on with this guy?…
I’m late arriving on TF’s topic today- comparing the ’10 and ’12 teams. Y’all covered it very well. It’s amazing how much the lineup has changed in those two years. Who’s the same? Buster, that’s it. And Panda, sort of.
Obviously the pitching is the core of the thing, and a lot of those guys are still here, although not all performing at their previous levels. If the Giants can win the first round of the playoffs, and the Wild Card wins their series, the Giants would have homefield advantage for the NLCS and the World Series. Dare to dream. (grin)
Affeldt’s has been more than dicey lately.Casilla needs to slam the door right now.
Whew….Casilla limiting some major damage with that DP!!
Come on, now. Shut this crap down, Casilla….
Nice job with the DP, Casilla and Crawfish…
Belt is starting to show his stuff. Proud of the kid for sticking in there, and taking all the guff he got with a stiff, upper lip and blog. I’m tellin’ ya, next year he’s a 20-25 HR kid…
Buster, with the oppo double. Dude is making tracks for MVP…
Buster is the leader IMO Snarkk for MVP,plays the toughest postion in baseball,coming back with huge.numbers after that horriffic injury.Besides McCutcheon’s Pirates are slipping away.his best chance to win it by not making the playoffs,IMO.
The cream rises to the top this time of the year,and Buster ” MVP” Posey continues to stir the drinks!
Well, Pagan and Scutaro are killing it at the top of the LU and Buster and Belt are anchoring the middle of the order.
Dodgers lose!
Magic number 16, and on the lip of the cusp of the edge of 15.
Too bad cause I had a sick Montana pic to post tomorrow.
Oh well, I’ll have to find something for 15
🙂
Whooops. The Torture is back.
Just the way it has to be.
builds character
6 games. This is almost too easy…
And that makes me feel uneasy…
make that 6.5 — but “it don’t come easy,” as Ringo Starr singeth.
G’night, girls.
My error: 6 back. And get this: the Dodgers are almost as close to SD in the standings as they are to the Giants. L.A. had better watch out. Milwaukee and Philadelphia breathing down their overblinged necks.
Like Mac said, Dodgers lost.
Now win this thing.
That’s it.
Magic number 15?
Magic Number: 15!!!!!!
Was there ever a doubt?
Uh….no….of course not. (grin)