My unabashed, unfettered GLEE over Greinke Getting Injured
Just to clarify a few things from last night since I wasn’t there to defend myself. I wasn’t happy about Greinke getting injured. I am happy because it weakens the Dodgers. I don’t care one whit about Greinke, I don’t know him, I don’t care about his injury, I don’t own him on a single fantasy team. I’m happy that the Dodgers have been weakened. Gleefully so, in fact. And so is every Giants player. I’m also ecstatic that every fantasy owner (who are my opponents) also got weakened yesterday. In fact, I freaking LOVE that–reveling in copious amounts of glee over that. For those who don’t understand the definition of “glee”:
And every Giants fan I know is happy that the Dodgers have been weakened. I also stand by my comments about Grienke getting off light. He completely instigated the brawl by hitting Quentin and then swearing at him and tossing his glove down. And only a damn fool stands there waiting to absorb the full blow of a steamrolling man who is ~60 pounds his senior. Try getting out of the way, dunce. “Hmmmmm, a train is coming, I wonder what I should do????” He’s lucky it was only a broken collarbone, it could have been much worse. And Quentin didn’t go out there because he thought Grienke was trying to hit him—it was payback for a vendetta he has held for years. There’s no timetable on a payback, especially in baseball. It comes when it comes. Oney Guillen’s tweet confirms this:
This clearly explains why Quentin waited till now to go after Grienke. He doesn’t hit him again, he doesn’t come out there. And when Grienke swore at him and threw down his glove, it was on, triggering the FIRST TIME that Quentin has ever charged the mound.
Here’s an article that has Quentin’s response. Some of you may have already read this:
The bottom line with this: Greinke hit Quentin one too many times. Regardless of the intent the other night (and I do believe it was probably an intended brush back pitch that was PAYBACK for brushing back Kemp earlier) if ZG doesn’t hit him he wouldn’t be injured right now. That is FACT.
Here’s another thread I wrote (recently) about my feelings related to a player getting hurt:
https://oneflapdown77.com/2013/03/20/when-im-happy-a-player-isnt-playing/
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And I’m adding another article on what Quentin said happened. Of note “Greinke declined to elaborate about what he said to Quentin when asked about it on Thursday night.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130412&content_id=44609570&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
What isn’t included on the stat sheet is the amount of pitches that Grienke has sailed over Quentin’s head. According to Paul Konerko he saw five or more when Quentin was with the Sox and three years ago Grienke talked shit to him after hitting him then. Also not noted, in any posts that I saw, is that Grienke is known for his control.
Seems to me the whole thing boils down to bad blood and payback is a motherfucker.
exactly.
Well fine, we can have dueling articles- in the interest of some degree of impartiality, maybe we can skip the ones from fucking teammates.
Fair enough. So In the Bloom article he said “Greinke declined to elaborate about what he said to Quentin when asked about it on Thursday night.”. Last night you called Quentin a liar for not stating what was said to him, does Greinke declining to elaborate on his comment make him a liar as well?
First it would be helpful if you don’t create fiction about the video, as Z did. Quentin was already headed for the mound before any of the so called provocation by Greinke took place. The tweet that I cited and for some reason Craig thinks supports that Greinke is to be blame, makes it clear that Q intended to go after Greinke if he was hit again. So everything Q says now contradicts that he had planned this for four years.What Greinke said is not relevant- Q was going after him if Greinke asked about the best steak in LA…and as the punishments make clear, Greinke doesn’t have to justify his actions-or words. Quentin was at fault- that’s the true bottom line.
The tweet I used shows the vendetta. He’s not dumb enough to say that now, it would have likely added to his punishment. I cited the tweet as evidence that CQ wasn’t going to tolerate ZG hitting him again.
As to what Grienke said, it’s clear and obvious that his words were the tipping point. Now, CQ might have gone out anyway, he’d threatened to do so. But we don’t know that because ZG stupidly talked shit to him after hitting him—that is fact and undeniable, you can see him moving his lips on the view from behind home plate.
Look, if you’re so sad and broken up about ZG being injured, send him some flowers and a card or something
thanks for posting that Clown, I hadn’t heard the entire interview till then—reinforces why all this happened. Fuck Greinke.
“According to Paul Konerko he saw five or more when Quentin was with the Sox and three years ago Grienke talked shit to him after hitting him then.”
Try to get facts straight, Greinke didn’t hit Q three years ago. As I oh so patiently pointed out to those paying attention to fact, not just blind hatred of anyone in Dodger blue- Greinke last hit Q with a pitch in April of 2009 and had several chances later that year and in 2010 if he was going to after him again.Instead he waited until it was a situation that no sane person thinks he would have thrown at the moron? No, Quentin demonstrated near pyschotic behaviour by vowing to get Greinke and letting it simmer in his farina filled brain for four years.
There’s a pitch chart I inked to that supports that it was simply a pitch that got away a bit.
OK 2009. Is that better? What about the pitches that sailed over his head? Why don’t you count those?
As far as the Dodger thing goes, Try and get your facts straight. I would be saying the same thing if this would have happened between the Sox and KC. The fact that it may benefit the Giants is a bonus but it doesn’t change what I feel went down. And this whole moral outrage is laughable when it’s coming from the man that ridiculed one of our players because you didn’t think he was coming back from his injury fast enough. Fuck Freddy = Fruckie, yeah that showed a lot of compassion.for an injured player.
I’m out for awhile.
Bochy set a deadline for Fruckie to report because HE didn’t think the Fruckster was as injured as the Fruckmeister was claiming. And it’s hardly the same doubting the severity of an injury than celebrating that he had one.
The Guillen tweet confirms what I said last night- it was a premeditated act that confirms that all of the nonsensense about Greinke instigating it by sassing the moron was total bullshit. As Olney and most non-biased observers have said the blame is on Quentin.
And your defense claiming you weren’t celebrating Greinke’s injury is belied by your own defense.
No, the bottom line is as stated in one of the non-biased pieces I referred clear thinking people to- that Quentin’s actions not only appeared malicious, but completely unjustified as well.
again, for someone who has followed baseball for so long, I’m surprised you don’t know about payback. It doesn’t happen instantly. Greinke hit CQ one too many times and he *paid for it* on Wednesday night.
and anyone who doesn’t understand why Quentin went out there is looking at this simplistically, as if this one incident stands alone. There was history there and Greinke played the dominant part in it
and for more clarification about my feelings on this topic…
https://oneflapdown77.com/2013/03/20/when-im-happy-a-player-isnt-playing/
I’ve read that ridiculous “distinction”.
And the “dominant part” is that Quentin is a willing pinata in return for being able to lunge for and get the barrell on pitches on or outside the outside edge strike zone.
I understand why he went out there- like a convict waiting to get sprung so he could avenge a perceived injustice and exact revenge on the judge or prosecutor, he stewed for years and then assaulted his victim, as he had vowed to do.
and Kruk and Kuip’s take (correct, I might add).
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/andrew-baggarly/padres-brawler-quentin-has-history-giants-too
I totally understand “payback”- and as you said, Quentin will likely get his. And my “act” will kick in again- as I don’t condone any attempt to injure another player.
He didn’t “attempt” to injure him. He went out there because he said he would if Greinke ever plunked him again. Greinke got injured because he stupidly stood his ground against a freight train that he could have easily side stepped or at the very least turned sideways and used Quentin’s momentum to try to wrestle him to the ground.
His evasion skills suck
So you are choosing which version of Quentin’s story to go with..
So, who else is having French Toast this morning? I find that a medium heat works best.
I’ve been rolling with just fresh fruit in non fat milk sans the granola. Bad gas with granola.
Gold….
Skipping breakfast keeps me svelte for Mrs. James.
I dislike when hitters are intentionally thrown at, and all the Hatfield and McCoys bullshit that follows. OTOH, if part of Quentin’s game is to crowd the plate, he will obviously get drilled more frequently. Personally, I’d rather the Giants beat the Dodgers with LA at full strength, but I won’t be shedding tears for Greinke, if we beat them out for the division title by one game this year.
As far as the morality of charging the mound and hurting another player, it is every bit as suspect as the “human missile” act that injured Posey. The barrom provocations in the former case don’t really make a difference.
Quentin’s penchant for getting plunked is even more “epic” than that 116 number shows. He was hit exactly the same number of times in the minors. That’s 232 times in 14 professional years. The guy digs it. One of the writers from FanGraphs has a plea for Carlos:
“FUCKING MOVE! Move out of the way. Just don’t be in that place when the pitch comes at you.”
You should have heeded that advice years ago, Q. You may have averaged more than 90 games a year.
I like Vogs take, (the pitcher’s side of the argument) that by leaning over the plate to cover outer half you aren’t giving the P any option except to come inside. If Q is going to lean into pitches, we need Wendelstedt out there. Batters imo should not have entitlement to charge the mound every time they think they are being targeted. As Jenkins mentions today, Mays (like Frank Robinson) learned how to avoid getting hit by the hard throwers and lived to bash their asses and take his revenge that way. but pitchers need to learn how to pitch inside effectively something I don’t think is being taught well.
Since I haven’t seen Vogs pitch yet, is there anything to make of his 7.15 ERA?
Duke Ellington thought breakfast most imp meal of the day…in that if you didn’t eat well then, you might not have another chance to do so.
I referred to Vogelsong’s take more than once. Of course it was ignored.Judging by the comments directed at me for defending Greinke, Craig made it totally clear that the only important issue was that a so called Giant fan ( that would be me) defended a Dodger.The rest of the blather was secondary. Anything Quentin did Thursday night,,any version of his tale didn’t matter, nothing Grienke or did or didn’t do was of no consequence.Greinke is a Dodger and Quentin isn’t. There’s your bottom line.
Willie, I forgot where I read this – possibly a Mays Biography – Mays would stand in the box and actually catch a pitcher’s fastball with his bare hand. Obviously, this occurred during batting practice and/or a challenge to one of his own Giants pitchers to throw their best stuff and he would catch it. In short, I forgot the circumstances (someone help me out here . . . Pawlie?), but the point was that Mays wasn’t afraid of anyone’s stuff and the story obviously got to other team’s pitchers about him catching the ball bare handed in the batters box. I have no idea if this was true or not, but I did read it some place before.
For those of you interested discussing French toast and the game, I’ll pop a new “ZG/CQ Free” thread before the gm starts.
I’m off to the gym
Greinke did say something, but it’s totally clear he was responding to the dimwit. And in any case, blaming the pitcher for behaving how pitchers commonly behave when a moron is charging the mound is just ridiculous. As is saying the injured party had it coming because, in essence, he wasn’t as good a brawler as the attacker.
Fuck breakfast Dirt. I want to know if Ed will be my friend too????? 🙂
New Greek post. I also scored a date this evening. First time that’s happened since Nepal. Ha.
LQTM.
Good luck Blade. I hope the strawberry milkshakes are good over there.