The Starting 5 Need to Stop Sucking
The pitching line for young Kickham was ugly:
But if you look past the numbers and just use your eyes as a guide, he clearly has a lot of talent. His ball has a lot of life on it and his slider is fantastic. He walked guys, he k’d guys and he was gone before he could finish the 3rd inning. All in all, not an unexpected start for a talented pitcher who isn’t quite ready yet.
It does speak to the looming desperation that’s slowly but surely finding it’s way into the Giants reality. They thought long and hard about who to pitch in place of Voggy and the best guy they could come up with went 2.1 innings. Gaudin had to get burned up anyway.
And the 5th spot in the rotation normally wouldn’t be this big of a deal, but with a few others pitching *like* a 5th starter we’ve got a bullpen that’s getting ridden harder than most ho’s in the Castro on a busy Friday night. You simply can’t keep sending your long guy out to pitch every other game.
So the issue right now isn’t who will fill the next #5 spot. Whether it’s Loux or Kickham or Gaudin isn’t the question to answer. The other four guys are the key to this. If they can start pitching deep into games we can afford to run Kickham out there for weeks straight.
If not, this season is going to get ugly, early.
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I rarely question Bochy and granted, I wasn’t able to watch the game (albeit, I was following on ESPN GameCast), but he made a couple of unusual decisions last night. For example, Kickham from the get go was having problems with his control, yet Bochy had him intentionally walk Donaldson to load the bases with one out in the third. This was a disaster, as a walk to Lowrie followed, forcing in a run, and then Freiman followed with the single that forced the decision by Bochy to direct Kickham to grab some pine.
Blade it seemed like after Norris HR on a ball that came down and in (Posey was set up away), the kid got a little scared and tried to nibble outside corner with everything. Ump squeezed him, but he was up and away with stuff when he needed to throw strikes after the IBB. The pitch Cespedes (only guy that hit the ball hard off him) whacked for a double past diving Sando was up and out over the plate. I’d give him another shot or two, rather than Gaudin, who wasn’t exactly splendid either and whom you’d have to replace if you start him anyway.
Really tho, SF got out pitched again. Scut and Belt hit the ball well and posey scorched the rbi groundout, but otherwise Parker held them down. No way imo Oakland has near the LU SF does, but their pitching has been much the better so far. They worked LH hitters away and Giants hit the ball in the air without much success. They even got Blanco on a GIDP.
Mac definitely deserves the POTD, thread was full of interesting comments on all sorts of stuff, and sans vitriol. Game was about as stimulating as 9 innings of Ray Fosse.
Good post Willie
From what I read, the Giants may want to add an additional arm to the BP (Ramon Ramirez?) which would probably send Kickham back down. Loux, just threw a CG so he might get the nod when the number 5 comes up again or maybe they’d try Kickham again.
The thing I’m most surprised about this morning, is how fucked up MLB.com is. They are listing these in season exhibition games in the loss column of the standings. Those guys need to get their act together over there.
ha ha I gave up on MLB.com, I go to ESPN, and a friend uses SI.com
One game does not make a season.
Well, the notion that the pen is overworked always comes up and it’s never backed by the data. The pen has worked 160 innings, 5 innings more than the NL average..they’re normally below average in IP but the pen is hardly overworked…
Those of you predicted that Kickham wouldn’t do well were right, and it didn’t help that he drew a high ball umpire. I do hope Bochy sticks with him, I liked his attitude and his stuff, I particularly liked this comment:
““The goal isn’t to pitch one day,’’ the rookie said after the game. “It’s to have a career. So I’ll just keep working toward that.”
I didn’t get to watch the game until 3 A.M., emergency here, and haven’t slept. Get ’em at home. Talk to you later..
One note: Using Kontos and Lopez early was a calculated move that worked- they kept it to 4. Bochy knew they couldn’t let it get away. Good move from a great pen manager..
Well, the pen is being used a bit more than last year. If they are used as they are now, they’ll ptich 45 more innings than last year.
Tonight Kontos, Lopez, Machi, Affeldt, and Romo are available for their customary roles.
With Machi back up, I’d rather send Kontos back down if Ramirez was to return. Kontos hasn’t been effective enough to be a 7th inning on RH replacement for Casilla.. The kid has only been up here a few days…I’d let Rags spend some time with him and go over what he needs to do to be effective at this level. He’s a top prospect, and I don’t think you just dump him back to minors after a couple innings and one start.
The thing about starting Gaudin is that wipes him off the map for any other appearances, and given what you’ve been getting out of Zito and Lincecum it doesn’t make sense to me because now you couldn’t use him to mop up after either of these two. I was hoping I had seen the last of DJLoux on the mound in a Giants uniform.
Meanwhile it’s back to real baseball, at home, where SF has been playing pretty well this season, for next two.
willie, I think they were thinking short term for adding another guy in the Pen. It doesn’t mean the kid doesn’t come back up when they need the 5th starter.
From the Splash,
“The question becomes, what next? Kickham is due to start again in St. Louis on Sunday, but the Giants might need another reliever from the minors after the bullpen worked 5 1/3 innings. If so, Kickham would be a candidate to go down.
UPDATE: Manager Bruce Bochy said after the game that he is not sure who will start Sunday. He planned to discuss the possibility of bringing up another reliever with general manager Brian Sabean later tonight.”
Today’s post is #988?
yup.
1,000 the magic number?
if it was the running tally of *number of chicks banged in my career” it would be. 🙂
Fav, you’re still a young man. Banging 12 more fine ladies is doable.
The title of BF’s post doesn’t quite match the content, which points more to the unlikely fact that the Giants pitching has been pretty awful this year. It is nearly June, and as a team, they have given up more runs than they’ve scored. They currently have the worst ballpark adjusted ERA in the league. A team that relies on its offense still needs at least average pitching to contend.
I apologize for the banality of the above. I will be seriously bummed if this team falls out of contention by August.
the point of the bullpen being overworked is real, not imagined. It has to do with how often these guys are being used NOW, not over the course of the season. And if the starting staff can’t start going longer into games the bullpen will be toast in less than a month.
Unless Gaudin is planning on growing a third arm, he can’t keep this pace up for the rest of the year.
And if Timmy has one of his customary “#6 starts” today, who can Bochy realistically call on to pitch 3 innings of relief?
This upcoming two week stretch and the long winding roadie (Ariz, Pitt, Atl) is crucial. If the Giants get blown out in this roadie, with the starters continuing to get thrashed in general, it’ll be nearing the ledge time. Yep, in the middle of the roadie it’ll be 1/3 of the season down, the starting pitching woes so far can’t be wished away. We knew the pitching window would close at some point, just looks like its going to be sooner than expected. Too bad this offense wasn’t around in 2009 and onwards. Might have already won the 3 of 4 WS, and Cain and Lincecum would not have been used up so much in those years with pressure pitching all the time…
“It has to do with how often these guys are being used NOW, not over the course of the season.”
Excellent sentence (and point).
As they’re being used *now* they’ve pitched 5 more innings than the league average. It’s true that Gaudin is pitching more innings than he’s been used to in recent years, but the pen as a group has not been over worked.
I got a kick out of “long winding roadie.” (grin)
I say let this Kickham kid continue to get some starts. He showed promise. Throwing him against the A’s was necessary due to the schedule, but was a very difficult assignment. Bochy did him no favors by giving Donaldson a free pass, and pressuring the kid even more. Anyway, looks like he has some stuff, give him a few games to see if he can settle down and give 5 or 6 decent innings, which is what is desperately needed. I’ll be surprised if the Giants do this, though. Their normal MO would be to bail on the kid, and go with a washed up vet like Loux — somehow they think it’s better a vet gets roasted than the young guy. I don’t see it that way…
I think the real question to ask is does the Giants farm system have 1-2 pitchers they can bring up in 2-3 years. Timmy, Zito, Voggy, all ????? marks. Giants proved they can groom their own pitching staff. Did they get complacent with the fact that Matt, Bum, Timmy were all young and they thought they would have them for years due to the way they pitched. Personally I don’t like going the FA route for pitching. Cost is the major concern. and….wait for it…AGE is my concern. I would preferr to hear that the Giants do have some up and coming pitchers that will be ready to go in 1-3 years. But by the post here from Mike (twin) and BF and others, it does not sound like the Giants have much in the Farm system. only time will tell.
Tim is gone after this season, maybe sooner. Zito, I’d say, is likely gone. Voggy is a mess, and getting older, who knows whether he’s done. That’s three starter positions that are dubious, at best, for 2014. Going out to get a FA starter is not that big of a deal. You don’t need to pay Zito years and money. Giants are going to have to do that certainly in this next offseason, for at least one starter position to get a #3 or a #4 type guy to support Bum and Cain. That’s even if they trade before this year’s deadline for a starter. Their real starter prospects are in the lower minors…
Agree with everything you said here.
Certainly, of the 5 now, they are only banking on Bummie and the Horse for the future. And hopefully one youngster that will be a good solid 3 in the next couple years as Timmy, Vogie, and Zito rotate off the team. Maybe it is Kickham. Maybe Kyle Crick. I hate to say it, but there will likely be 2 spots in the rotation that will be farmed out to the Tomko’s and Penny’s of the baseball world. Unless Zito has found his fountain of youth and he keeps on doing OK (for nothing near his current salary).
Latest I can find is that Crick is on the San Jose DL with an oblique, and will be out for a while. He’s 20. Cain (20) and Bum (19) started real early with SF. So, if he can pitch into their level of competition early, maybe he’ll be up in 2014, but I doubt they’re counting on that, I would not. They need to be open to FA acquisitions. I’m not up for trading players for a pitcher right now…
OK, 3. Didn’t know Crick was hurt, and he’s still way young.
I don’t think they pick up Zito’s option. I thought there was one more year. Then again, I can’t believe he’s been here for 6+ years as of now. Yikes.
Zito’s option vests with him if he pitches 200 innings this season, I believe.
Xoot, if he is on the cusp of 200 and has been the shits – I say put him on the frickin’ DL or release him.
Yep, Zito vests into an $18 mill payday for next season if he pitches 200 frames this year. $7 million buyout otherwise, else make a deal in between if they think Zito is better than some other FA at around $10M. I doubt that without even knowing who will be out there as FA starters. Bochy needs to stop Zito around 195, so it won’t look so blatant. 199 would be blatant…
Good comments too Chuck.
RHP Bill Buckner?
“Bochy needs to stop Zito around 195, so it won’t look so blatant. 199 would be blatant…”
The Rockies did that with Ubaldo Jimenez sort of . . . they had him pitch for the team, even though he was about to be traded to Cleveland and everyone knew that the trade was going to be made. They pulled him during the first inning (which was a disaster – he threw 45 pitches, with 4 runs, 2 hits and four walks – because he was distracted about the trade). Today, the media and fans still complain about the way he was treated.
Anywho, I really have no opinion about when you pull the plug, except $18 million and $7 million is quite a difference and I hope they don’t equivocate about the decision to pay him what his contract calls for, buy him out, or renegotiate a fairer deal for both parties. In my mind, Zito could pull the plug on any potential controversy and give the Giants a “home town” discount rate as gratitude for them ALWAYS standing in his corner.
At this point Zeets avg 5.6, so he’ll have to avg about 6.2 in his remaining starts, assuming he gets 33. With his tendency to bomb out before the 5th ( 6 times last yr) and not pitch into the 7th (he did it 8 times) doesn’t appear likely.
Look, all of us should WANT the option to vest. If he hits 200 innings it’ll be the first time he’s done so since 2006. You don’t hit 200 innings with a bunch of shitty outings. In short, just like last year, we’d be singing Zito’s praises for a season of 200 innings pitched….
And if you still don’t want him around you’ll probably get your wish since he would almost certainly opt out, take the 3.5 mil buyout and go find an “end of my career” contract that the Giants surely wouldn’t pay. 3 years/36 mil, something like that…….
In short, Zito would *sell high* on himself and the Giants won’t participate in that.
Well he hit 199 innings for 2010 and all it got him was being left off the PS roster.
True, but he didn’t hit 200 did he? Ah HA!!!!!
Of course, you’re right. But as you posted earlier, he’d have to average 6.2 innings the rest of the way and I just don’t see him consistently, nearly every game, getting into the 7th.
But if he’s able to, I would expect something like last year as an end result and there are a lot of teams that will pay a lefty innings eater 3 years and pray they get what they pay for. That’s why I think he’ll opt out for a *paltry* 3.5 mil and the Giants and Zito will finally part ways…….
If he couldn’t go 6 on average last year, it’s hard to imagine him doing it this year, but you never know.
I wouldn’t sign Zito again for 3 years at any price…
I know you wouldn’t, I highly doubt the Giants would either. But there are a lot of shitty pitching staffs out there with a lot of payroll already on them. The higher end payroll teams pays guys like Zito all the time. Off the too of my head, Blanton, Lohse, Haren, the dude in Chicago who’s name I can’t remember… I know Haren and Blsnton were only 1 year deals but if Zito leaves, those are the type of 1 year deal pitchers who are out there and that’s the type of replacement Sabean would likely go get if Zito opted out.
Well, if John in Wanut Creek was the GM, Zito would get his 3 years 36 milliion, but real GMs look at more than wins. I can see him coming back and Sabean giving him number 3 money even thoufgh he’s a 4 or 5.
Stick to referencing bloggers who aren’t banned.
Were I Zito, I wouldn’t overstay my welcome in SF. He turned around 5 years of wildnerness with last season and the postseason. This year’s crapshoot will be forgiven or ignored, based on his performance last postseason. I wouldn’t want to press my luck into 2014 and turn a largely forgiving and forgetting fanbase into being PO’d again. He can get somebody else to part with a few more millions…
1. Andres Torres (S) LF
2. Marco Scutaro (R) 2B
3. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
4. Buster Posey (R) C
5. Hunter Pence (R) RF
6. Brett Pill (R) 1B
7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
8. Gregor Blanco (L) CF
9. Tim Lincecum (L) P
Ramirez up, Kickham down.
They must be figuring on just skipping Voggy’s spot due to off days. They can’t bring Kicky up again for a min of 10 days, barring an injury, I think…
Good thread. My comments last night show I got Kickhamized. I got caught up by what I saw (rare thing for me to VIEW our boys). He’s got talent, but, true, he ain’t ready. But when I looked at his pitching line, I sobered up. That’s a NRFPT line, as in Not Ready for Prime Time. The scary issue you raise regarding the other 4 starters is what I’ll term Pitching Contagion (PC). Pitchers seem to thrive on outdoing each other, kind of a chest-thumping bravura. At least, that’s how our staff has seemed to operate the last three years. But what if the PC cascades? What if “the centre cannot hold”? (if I may be so snobby as to invoke William Butler Yeats [we visited his grave in Drumcliffe, near Sligo, Ireland, in 2006]). What if the contagion is the negative kind, not the positive kind? Nothing scares me more. I remember a few stretches over the last 4 or 5 years when I had that feeling, as in, “Oh, no, even the good tires are flat, plus the spares, plus the brakes are gone.” HOWEVER, none of those stretches lasted very long, not even a full week — even in the Matt Herges / Brett Bombko days — unless my memory is as faulty as thinking Brian Wilson started. All in all, I am confident our starters will regroup. I’m still not ledge material.
The bullpen and offense are carrying the team right now. We’re not used to that (exact) paradigm being used to win games. The 180 degree about face of our normally outstanding defense and starting pitching is disturbing to all here. Per Baseball Prospectus, we are ranked 17th in MLB defensive efficiency (percentage of balls in play converted into outs by the defense); and our pitching staff has the 3rd worst rotation ERA at 4.64.
Say what? Worse, apparently SF Gate’s Schulman tweeted on Sunday, the cavalry isn’t coming. In short, what’s in the cupboard is what the Gmen will have to work with until the trade deadline approaches. Couple that with a brutal road trip and you can see this is going to get harder, not easier.
Washington’s Zimmerman has gone yard 3 times this evening . . . thus far.
That’s about 4 games worth of homers for us… 😉
“I know Ryan Zimmerman, and he’s no Pablo Sandoval.”
If I were an agent, I’d put in every player contract a 4-homer clause — 4 homers in a game, the player gets $1 million the next day, and eggroll…
third inning — or later? LQTM
And not to be outdone: The Nats’ other Zimmermann got taken yard 3 times.
Yeah, watching that dynamic as well Mac. I’m hoping that this game and the Rockies/Astros game wont be my only choices this evening . . . sigh.
I don’t think Lincecum is a lock to leave, either. If he regains ace or #2 performance, I think he’s outta here.
Otherwise I can see him and Zits both back at significanty reduced salaries.
We could see the same 5 as this year. IMHO.
I find that fascinating. However, I don’t believe it will happen. Just for shit and giggles, I have a question for you Mike or anyone who is familiar with the MLB/Union agreement . . . Let’s say that Timmy has a number “4” performance year – what is the maximum salary reduction he can take per the aforementioned agreement? Or, does that even come into play?
As a free agent after this year, there’s no limit top or bottom, Steve.
Well, in that case – Welcome Back Timmy! 🙂
I don’t know how much pride would come into it. Is there a number which Lincecum or Zito would say: “That’s just too embarrassing a number. I’m going to retire”?
If the Giants make the playoffs or don’t will be huge in how the Giants feel about things, IMO.
Perhaps with Lincecum, especially knowing that he could have signed a long term deal last year.
Wah wah . . . Too bad for the intransigence of him and his agent. Serve them some cheese with their whine.
I don’t think there was any whine, though. Not that I saw. In fact (although I have no way of knowing), I think he’s kind of glad he DIDN’T sign the big deal, given how things are now. I think he’s glad to not have that contract hanging over him. He did say something to one of the reporters about having seen what Zito went through, and how that gave him pause about a longterm contract.
Do you really believe that Zum? Obviously, I can’t prove it, but I think that comment was for “public consumption” and he unequivocally regrets not signing the fair deal that the Giants discussed with them.
I think we (especially myself) all project too many exemplary character traits upon baseball players. The fact of the matter is this – Not all, but quite a few are uneducated and ignorant about many things. Couple that with them being in their 20s, an age range when we all made mistakes (and some of mine were whoppers), I find it hard to believe that Timmy would feel bad about a contract he signed.
Blade, the reason I would say that is the vast majority of athletes would probably feel that way, but Tim has never really been like the vast majority of athletes. He just seems different to me; more truly counter-culture than the majority.
But having said that, he bought a ridiculously huge mansion in Arizona, so who knows. (grin)
Snarkk, even though there a two (!) off-days next week, they’re still going to need to cover Vogey’s spot this Sunday. I’m guessing Gaudin gets it. He’ll probably pitch about 4 innings in the type of game that Krukow says this about it: “Today’s pitcher is Johnny Bullpen.”
A couple of housekeeping items from last night:
I just checked and Brian Wilson never started a game for the Giants. Shocked the hell out of me as I thought I clearly remembered him starting one when he was a young,unproven pup, Good thing no one took me up on my Anchor Steam wager.
@Zumie- I totally agree with you that when it comes to G n R, Izzy Straddlin was really good and November Rain was really bad.
@ Flappers: If Tim’s agent came to the Giants asking for 3 years 30 million—would you do it? Yeah…..I know it would never happen, BUT if it did—would you do it? I would, but I’m kind of wacky when it comes to Timmy and always think the next outing is going to be a return to dominance.
Easy call on the 3/30 – absolutely would endorse that. Shit, right now he is pitching as a quasi 3 or 4 pitcher. Timmy yes. Zits would have to find another gig though . . . 🙂
I may be callow and naive in old age — esp. considering your comment above — but I feel Zito’s view may be: “Look, I made my money. I’m good. I love this place and this team. I’ll come back at $8 million a year for two more years, plus give me a job afterward in the organization.” I’m the same guy, though, who never thought Pujols would leave the Cards.
Dear Elias Sports Bureau, how often (%) does a team lose even though its player its 3 homers? Thank you. (Actually, Mr. Twinfan can stand in for Elias, I am confident.)
The one that I remember was Game 3 of Yanks-Royals ’78 ALCS. George Brett hit 3 HRs, but Munson hit a late homer to win it.
Sorry Blade I don’t view athletes like you do. I’m more often surprised when they do have exemplary qualities.
Isn’t Blade saying the same? Not trying to start a fisticuffs here, just the opposite. (Do I need to go to therapy?)
I should have said I don’t project 😉
Well, I said it clumsily, but if you read my next sentence after that, it’s what I believe as well. Perhaps, when i was a kid and just reading the back of their baseball cards, I thought they were Gods, but today? Umm, no.
In short, I’ve always said we’re not talking about rocket scientists here. Again, not all.
Brad Hennessy. Didn’t he start his career all gangbusters? What exactly is a gangbuster?
Brad sort of sort of bumbled along as a middle/long reliever and spot starter until Benitez blew up. Brad took over as closer and did a good job for awhile. Then he faltered and Wilson came up to take the job,.. I think Brtad’s best moment was when we ran out of players and Feliz had to catch. Brad was directing the whole show from the mound, cool as a cuke..
I either didn’t know that or forgot. (I seem to say that every day). Thanks for a cool story.
He started at Blockbuster, but those “mortar and brick” type stores are ancient history due to the Netflix’s of the world. What was your question? 🙂
I don’t see the Giants going more than 2 years with either Lincecum or Zito. And if either or both have bad second halves, I think the Giants’ interest really dries up. With the playoff performance being an x-factor wild card, though.
What’s up with the empty seats behind HP? Dynamic Pricing gone awry? Butter Bean clogging up the line?
Timmy better be ready to go 6 at least
How is this guy hitting only .221?
WTF is Blanco doing? Can we get out of the first or second inning without getting behind?…
@Diggity I’d do 3/3o with TL no problem. Edwin Jackson got 50 mil or whatever (not feeling like looking it up), Lohse got 30 mil or so. Timmy can be some sort of hybrid of those 2.
Hopefully.
My god, what a fuck-up that was.
I swear, the demon of bad defense jumped from Zito to Timmeh. That’s a bad play by Blanco, and BS by Scuts and Pence…
The Crawford toss was underwhelming, too
Nice to see that coming back to At&T has focused us defensively
Egads. I refuse to make it another long night, long though it is already. Mets radio announcer Josh Lewin made a great point tonight. He said: not to diminish all the metrics out there, but what is more telling than the number of walks your staff allows? Pretty simple. Frankie Frisch: “Oh, them bases on balls.” This game already underscores that. (If you must know, the Yanks and Cards have allowed the fewest BBs. Check the standings.)
Actually, it would not be unfair to say “all the metrics out there” are rooted in the notion that walks are earned, not given away.
I’ve never thought of breaking it down to just that stat, will check tomorrow. Dinner now, the night time routine kicks in with one eye on the game….
I’m pretty much with 3/30 for Tim, 3/24 for Zits.
I could also see Tim signing a one year deal. If he can tranform himself to more of a finesse pitcher next year and pitch well, he could be in line for a bigger mutiyear deal than he’s likely to get after this year.
Pence evens out his flub with the dinger…
For those of you who can’t get a signal . . . Be patient, don’t download anything, and the game will appear.
http://www.livestream.com/batting002
Or not.
Did the Cy Young Tim grab his left side like he has the last couple of years? It’s not on every pitch but he sure does seem to do it a lot these last two years.
it’s weird. I don’t think he’s doing that because of pain. I think he’s doing that to remind him to keep his left side straight or strong or whatever.
Well, that’s not going to help Tim’s cause.
Thank God for the Moss’s of the world.
That was a little too hairy with Timmy’s past against pitchers.
WOw. The transformation from Timmy to Drrty is complete. Timmy has forgotten to cover home and 1st in the same inning. Hit this guy and it’s complete.
Fuck. You hate to pull Timmy in the top of the 4th when they had the bases loaded, but shit, now this really sucks.
As much as pitching is a problem now — something we’re not used to — the hitting doesn’t seem to be too stellar these days. In the past 2 weeks, not counting this game, the team is something like 4-8. In 7 of those losses, the offense generated 3 or fewer runs. In all of the 4 wins, the team scored more than 3. I’m no stat expert, so I’m sure others can point to other stats to either confirm or refute this, but with the pitching going south, obviously the team has to score more than 3 runs to stand a chance of winning. That hasn’t happened enough lately. And it’s looking grim for this game too. Maybe the rallying cry needs to be changed to “we score MORE, we win”….. Sabes has his work cut out for him, on all fronts right now.
If the pitching is average, you win a few games 3-2 instead of losing them 6-3 when the scoring slows. The offense has a long way to drop before it can even remotely be criticized for the team’s record.
sucketh it does, errors, bases loaded, a season, so far, of futility and yet we hang in the NL west, by our Giants’ fingernails.
Pill should have been throwing to second, that’s not all on Tim. Plus it looked to me that it was Scooter’s ball anyway.
YEah, they usually caught fire when they came home. Still waiting for this one.
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timmeh looks like a guy that just gave up 6 runs in 4.1 innings and made the bases loaded third out.
Oh, shit, he is.
This is getting painful to watch.
No idea what he’s talking about when he says the nightmare is over????? Shit, we still have a few more innings of this nightmare left.
It’s one thing to lose a bunch of games to the A’s, but these games ain’t even close. It doesn’t feel like we’re competing against these guys.
As Ed alluded to, we’re doing well in the standings, but you wouldn’t know it by our play. In short, we are playing shitty . . . No need to panic, but Bochy needs to impress upon the players that each and every game counts (and I am certain that he is probably doing that). It’s frustrating . . .
Come on.One hit when we need it.
Tommy Milone- sounds like he should be raising pigeons on a NYC rooftop.
Fuck. That was close.
Stupid fuck.
The ump gave him home? Don’t see that much.
Miller had it reversed – Torres was hitting better LHed.
http://tinyurl.com/q8zfnhl
That was a gift.
Pablo/Posey 0 for Oakland.
and that fan waving bye in that guy’s (and his gal’s) face was a bit much. Proves you can afford good seats and still be a dickhead
Well, the guy WAS an idiot. It also proves you can afford good seats and still be a clueless doof.
exactly (I did mean the guy that interfered was the dickhead) I just thought the fan waving in his face was enjoying it a bit too much. then I see the coach doing it right: “what the fuck, dude?”
Another fine umpiring crew.
A’s seem to be executing when needed, easily.
Giants making huge effort to get any scoring done.
Bad defense again by Giants doesn’t help…
Pablo/s so fricking due…..
Good call. (grin)
and he comes through with a line drive rocket. Sf homered off balfour last night…
You;re welcome.
Buster’s so fricking due…….
It was worth the try.
Damn
If our freakin’ starters would quit spittin’ the bit early, we’d easily have half a dozen more wins, wouldn’t we?…
I don;t know. They’ve come back in a lot of those early deficit games.
At least the bats woke up. Timmy was less than stellar. Sure, the defense sucked, but forgetting to cover bases isn’t very good.
I been drinking decaf all night hoping I could get back to sleep for an hour before my day starts.
NOW, I am hoping for extra innings
Yer a wild man. What is it, 5:30 am?
Go to sleep
Fucking really? The defense is flat horrible lately.
WTFuck is that kind of defense again by Torres? Unbelievable. He tried to backhand a ball he should easily have gotten in front of. Sheezus this defense sucks…