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It’s Time to Change the Waivers/Claim/Trade Rule

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 27, 2013

Instead of talking about the Giants sleep walking through their opening game vs the hapless Rockies, I decided to write a mini-rant about a late season ritual that’s always bothered me….

Claiming a player to *block* another team from acquiring him via trade: One of the dumber, more antiquated tactics allowed in baseball today. With almost every player placed on waivers in August, and teams getting a shot at each of them in reverse standing order, there is zero reason for a team below a team with a better record to NOT put in a claim on a player. Heck, put in a claim on EVERY player. There’s no skill in that, just keep clicking the claim button like a trained pigeon. And worse, there is no consequence.

And there should be. I think that if a team puts in a claim on a player in August, even if they aren’t able to work out a trade, they have to surrender SOMETHING. A 10th round draft pick. 25K. A hallmark card apologizing to the rest of the league for wasting everyone’s time with a bogus claim ticket. S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G.

Take Javier Lopez for example. I actually support Sabean for waiting till the end of August to try to work out a deal. Unlike at the July 31st deadline, true contending teams have now thinned themselves out. And of those teams, their playoff needs have coalesced. Lopez has proven his playoff value and it is high. Having a sure fire bullet like Lopez to fire at a tough left handed hitter late in a playoff game is like gold (baby).

Of course, because 5 other teams put in a claim on him, 4 of which have no intention of actually trading for him, the idea of trading him now is almost a pipe dream. And that’s too bad. He’s of little value to us for the rest of the year, he could pull in a decent prospect from a team who actually wants to work out a deal.

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  1. willedav said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Timing and other things do factor into a claim–I could see Yankees trying to prevent Detroit or Boston from acquiring someone, but they have needs too. Cash said earlier there weren’t enough hitters available, and the fact that so few decent ones changed hands validates that. I don’t see how you could change the rules, other than to limit amount of claims a team could make, which all GMs would shout down in a heartbeat.
    Didn’t catch too much of last night, but heard one of the TV guys say something about the *humidor*. Honestly, I just don’t remember a season of Giants struggling so much to score in this yard. Did see Pegs with a line drive and scoring on Arias double, but by then it was garbage time. Giants had the A lineup in there too–if hitting at ATT is so tough you would think all of the regs would be glad to get to a more friendlier place to hack, and put up better numbers (Twin brought this up earlier). Is it Rox pitching (gasp) or SF just taking dumb ABs?
    Weird season in the NL, which has become top heavy, and where the only race seems to be among NL Central teams to see who has to play each other. AL will wind up being more exciting, just less interesting to me.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:31 am

      Dumb ABs. For the millionth time, some one comes up with the table set (Posey in this case, 1st and 3rd, one out) and hacks at the 1st pitch he sees and grounds into a DP.

      • chipower9 said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:49 am

        I think this is an approach that probably starts with the coaches, with the thought being “If you see a pitch to hit and you like it, by all means take a hack.” I get it if the pitch is out of the zone, etc., and I did not see this particular AB. But if you see a pitch in your zone, I am sure it is hard to lay off of it.

  2. unca_chuck said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:27 am

    I was joking bout Torcado/Pedroia in the fact that both were products of Woodland, CA.

    Yes, the baseball draft is a major crapshoot for EVERYONE involved. The NFL and NBA have colleges to feed from, and for those sports, the readiness for the bigs is much more apparent and obvious. Yeah, there’s college baseball, but the level of competition isn’t comparable to the bigs. A #1 NFL or NBA pick looks to make immediate contributions to his team. Even rookie QBs are succeeding these days. QB was once thought to be the single toughest position in all sports. With colleges running more pro style offenses, and recently the pros are running college style offenses (read option and pistol), players come in ready. Just about every #1 baseball pick still has to go through rookie ball, instructional leagues, A, AA, and AAA. It’s a rarity for a college pick to not go through 3-4 years of minor league development.

  3. Alleykat said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Agree BF..I don’t buy Twin’s theory that you get a better deal at the trading deadline for Lopez.Teams like Detroit,Texas, Cards, Phils in 2010 when Lopez totally dominated (Howard & Utley) in thethe playoffs know what value he can supply.

    Sabes should get a decent prospect or 2 higher now then if he tried to peddle him earlier.IMO.

    • chipower9 said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:55 am

      They DID try to move him earlier, and it was reported that the Giants asking price was too high. The problem now is like Flavor says…the teams with the worse record have no intent of trying to work a trade for the likes of Lopez, and it is more to block the Dodgers, Yank-Mees, (clubs who really want to add on at this time).

      I would be down with there being a “cost” associated with making a claim. If for example it was 25K, where does that money go? To the team trying to move the player, or into a kitty to be distributed amongst who?

      Lincecum and Pence were also claimed off waivers, but it is a LOOONG shot that any will be moved (word on CSNBA is that the Giants have every intent to try to resign all three). Sabes is just feeling out the waters to see what the market may be for those players.

  4. blade3colorado said, on August 27, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    For those who don’t know, defector Jose Dariel Abreu is an ultra-talented, 6-foot-3, 250-pound, 26-year-old slugger from Cuba. He hit .360 with three home runs and nine RBIs in last spring’s World Baseball Classic. He reportedly is in Haiti now, waiting to enter the United States. When free agency heats up in November, he could be at the center of a bidding war.

    Would the Giants fire off a realistic bid? That’s tough to say. There have been reports that Abreu could get a six-year, $60 million deal. That would exceed the seven-year, $42 million contract the Dodgers gave phenom Yasiel Puig. He is limited defensively and would fit perfectly in the American league DHing . . . GMen are thinking about Belt in left field and this dude could play first? Hmm . . . Just thinking out loud, so don’t shoot the piano player. 🙂

  5. chipower9 said, on August 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Not saying it is right or wrong, but the Giants for whatever reason just never have shown a lot of action on players of this nature. Here is a BB Reference page with details on his career.


  6. Alleykat said, on August 27, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Well their’s also talk about moving Posey to 3B in the near future after Tubbs moves on to DH in the AL after next season,his walk year .Belt is not moving off 1st now.
    Catchers could be 3 headed monsters..Monsell,Susac ,Sanchez.With the tutelage watchful eye of Whitey in reserve lol.

    • chipower9 said, on August 27, 2013 at 2:45 pm

      Whether it is internal (Susac or Monell), or free agency, the Giants need to upgrade their back-up backstop.

  7. chipower9 said, on August 27, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Buster with the day off.

    1. Gregor Blanco CF
    2. Marco Scutaro 2B
    3. Brandon Belt 1B
    4. Hunter Pence RF
    5. Pablo Sandoval 3B
    6. Hector Sanchez C
    7. Brandon Crawford SS
    8. Roger Kieschnick LF
    9. Yusmeiro Petit P


  8. zumiee said, on August 27, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    I pondered which was worse last night- the Giants game or the new episode of “Under The Dome.” That’s a toughie.
    By the way- this guy’s review of last night’s “Under The Dome” episode is pretty funny:

  9. salty said, on August 27, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Giants badly need their own Puig minus the a-tude to generate a little excitement, as they continue their vigorous pursuit of the Padres and Rockies.

    • James said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:05 pm

      A Max Scherzer might be more of what we need next year.

  10. Flavor said, on August 27, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    I’m not really understanding the Petit start. This guy is nowhere on the radar for next year and we’re giving him a start? For who? For what? Are they just afraid to throw a kid out there in Colorado? Jesus, these guys aren’t pussies, let them pitch. If they’re going to be worth anything to us you might as well start seeing what it looks like NOW. And I recognize that the only SP in Fresno doing ANYTHING is Surkamp. But why not have him miss his start 2 days ago and let him go tonight?
    The Giants have a fucked up backward ass approach to evaluating young talent at the mlb level……

  11. zumiee said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Andres Torres said: “I was injured all season.” He kept everyone on a ‘need to know’ basis, and decided that no one needed to know until now.

  12. SanDawg said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    How awful was that throw by Cuddyer? On the radio, Miller said he would have been called for Intentional Grounding if this was the NFL!

    • PawlieKokonuts said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:50 pm

      great line — side note: credit Miley Cyrus with forcing me to look up “twerking” in the often-funny Urban Dictionary

  13. Alleykat said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Well Sabean was the one “injured in his brain cells” to bring Torres back in the 1st place this year. He was done when we acquired Pagan.That was a great move.Getting Torres back was not, No reason to go dumpster diving to save some payroll.

  14. James said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    San Dawg, a couple of belated 🙂 🙂

    And, I missed the reference, although I know the song. “Propaganda” is the latest album I own.

    • SanDawg said, on August 27, 2013 at 7:55 pm

      Much appreciated!

      Hey, our boy Belt is gripping the bat nicely tonight!

      • James said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:04 pm

        I’d take some pleasure in that, but we are only 1 for 5 w/ RISP.

  15. Flavor said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    “I was injured all season.” –very disappointing to read that. He’s either stupid or selfish to think that’s info to hide from the Giants. Shit, he was going to get paid regardless. To *gut it out* and produce what a wounded player could produce on a bad leg is just irresponsible. Be honest, get the surgery done, no harm no foul. Fucking idiot.

  16. Macdog said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    A good night for Pettitte and Petit.

  17. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 27, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    As Gertrude Stein allegedly said, “A W is a W is a W.”

  18. PawlieKokonuts said, on August 27, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Speaking of waivers, the Mets traded Marlon Byrd, perhaps having a career year, to the Pirates. Good night, girls.

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