Spiraling, Abyss Below
“We Don’t No Hit You, We Don’t Win.”
It’s probably too long to put on a sign and it doesn’t have the same ring to it, does it?
Leake was lights out and Cueto has shut pretty much everyone down this year. But now we are in a pickle as the possibility of getting swept (again) at home is a real possibility. Alfredo Simon has been surprisingly good this year. Matt Cain has been surprisingly bad. And then “No Hit” Bailey gets to feast on us again tomorrow.
If I’m coming across negatively, it’s because I’m reacting to reality. If our reality changes, I’ll adjust my mood and attitude accordingly…..
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Spot on Flavor. “Negatively?” Sounds like an accurate assessment to me, sans any emotional histrionics. Anyone who doesn’t follow FL, probably isn’t familiar with Simon . . . As you pointed out, he is surprisingly good. Amazing he doesn’t get more strike outs (since he has a good fast ball). This dude will be a load today and with Latos tomorrow, we are looking at a possible sweep. That’s a fact Jack.
I thought we faced Bailey tomorrow. Latos? He’d probably be better for us since he hates us and we need some emotion to rattle this cage….
My bad. Transposed them – you’re right.
Bummer. How much of Bumgarner’s melt-down can be attributed to the fact that without offensive support he maybe felt he had to pitch too fine? Speculative, sure. One thing i do know is that counting tonight (why play in SF on Saturday night? No need. Not good for national Giants fans~ particularly for the sufferers on the East Coast.) ~ counting tonight there are only three days left in June.
Belt homered for San Jose last night but also got HBP in his second consecutive game. When an ML player on rehab gets drilled twice in a row it should be axiomatic that the best player on the other team gets drilled hard on the ass. Without both Belt and Pagan the SF offense is a pretty sorry spectacle.
In losing streaks things seem to unravel in different places. Posey is heating up (though he did make poor decision on bunt play) while others (Morse esp) are cooling off. Bum almost no hit the D bax Sunday, gave up 9 last night though nothing off a wall or smashed 400 ft.
Good teams go through bad streaks, including all the better ones in the NL. Detroit got knocked out of first place by KC, but now they are back up 3 and a half. A’s went through a stretch when they weren’t scoring and their pen was giving up games but they’ve recovered.
It’s how you stick together and fight your way out when things aren’t going your way that makes champions…like the adversity of 2012 playoff vs. these same Reds. One of the mgrs. in the AAA Int’l league book I read had a sign in clubhouse that said, “If you don’t like it here, play better.” Advice doesn’t get any better than that.
Last year, the team was 38-42 at this point. Despite a terrible stretch, the team is still on pace for ~90 wins.
Those two Billy Hamilton flares probably pissed off Bumgarner more than the team’s crap production. Shouldn’t Hamilton be hitting the ball on the ground?
He should be, yes…
Yes, we are 6-0 this year in games where the other team didn’t score. So that’s the formula.
One of the starters made some comment about lack of run support to Randy Johnson when he was a Giant. If I recall correctly he said, that means you have to pitch better.
Get em today.
I guess it’s the way the season was going up to now that has everyone coming up with a *fix*, but seriously, if anyone had said coming out of ST that end of June SF (halfway through season) would be 2 up on hated Dodgers despite injuries to Belt and Pagan and Scut still not on active roster, you’d have been pretty fired up. And deservedly so.
Yeah you right.
The only pickle I like is the one you can eat. If this is a pickle lets get the hell out.
Current Giants are only 1 for 8 against Simon since last year.
play .500 ball until the all-star break. Don’t get too far behind anyone. get hot in august and september and ride the mojo deep into the playoffs. the season doesn’t really start until after the break. but it’s interesting to watch 😉
The Dodgers lost, so it wasn’t all bad.
I’m not too concerned about LostAgain or any other team. We need to focus up our own house or what anyone else does won’t matter
Bingo. If we don’t start winning, we’re done. It’s the whole numbers thing all over again. Like yesterday, if you’d say early on that we’d be 12 games over .500 on July 1 with a 2 game lead, it sounds great.
But it’s terrible news when you understand that we were 9.5 games up and 21 games over .500 on June 6. Average out the season, and it looks ok. But when yer 4-13 in your last 17, well the trend is what? Free fall.
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Sure they can come out of it. Hate to point to Pagan, but really, there’s not much difference other than him being gone. We weathered Belt and Casilla’s absense until Pagan went down.
Of course, the pitching has been significantly worse in June that it was in April and May. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.
I’d be with you, Chuck, if I expected them to go 4 -13 the next 17 games, too.
If they did go 4-13 the next 17 games, their record would still be 50-47 — they’d be just where ewisco would like ’em to be!
not necessarily where i’d “like” them to be, but willing to accept it. the first part of the season is just jockeying for position for the second part.
After Tim’s no hitter. who is the best SF Giants pitcher? Nice article by B Jenkins to clear it all up
http://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Best-S-F-pitcher-Mound-of-stats-backs-Marichal-5585744.php
I agree with who he picks
A tale of two seasons:
Before June 9th, the best record in MLB.
From June 9th to now, the worst record in MLB.
The highwater mark of the season, so far, is during the first game of the horrific melt-down series with the Rockies. Morse had just given the Giants the lead with an RBI triple, and standing on thirdbase he smiled and yelled out: “So fast!” There seemed to be no stopping the Giants.
“When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride
‘Til I get to the bottom and see you again
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you, don’t you want me to love you?
I’m coming down fast but I’m miles above you
Tell me, tell me, come on, tell me the answer”
Well, I know the answer isn’t Blanco batting leadoff, if that helps. 🙂
Regarding the Sac Kings, I’m hoping Nik Stauskas is a better fit than Jimmer turned out to be.
I’m not sold on Isaiah Thomas as a starting point guard, but the Kings are, so the fans just need to hope he keeps developing, and cuts down the turnovers.
I like the pick. He can play and is more than just a shooter. I was hoping for Randle, Gordon, or Smart. Once they were all gone, then I thought he was a viable option. I’m glad they had the guts to draft the same position they whiffed on last year with McLemore.
Many experts had Sac taking Smart, but the Celtics grabbed him first.
So, I grew up with this dude, we played little league together. Read this story about his daughter. he posted a video of her throwing out first pitch last night on facebook, I’ll see if I can copy it over here.
http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_26054326/brandon-belt-makes-good-home-run-promise-cancer?source=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#disqus_thread
Good story, good for the girl, good for Belt. He’s a good kid, I like him. He needs to stop getting hit by pitches in the minors…
Amazing that they got the ball back. Past the outfield fence, there is a parking lot, which you can’t see due to the solid 20 foot fence. Wondering if that is the same ball . . . 🙂
I posted a pic of her from his facebook page. Seriously, this family has gone through so much. This kid has fought so hard, I’ve watched it tear Jimmy up.
I’m always thankful for continuing good health, and the good health of my kids. Don’t take it for granted, not at all. There is no substitute, and everything else pales in comparison. We have friends whose teenage daughter has fought a form of leukemia for 4+ years now. She’s in remission, and hopefully it will continue. Cancer sucks…
A few weeks ago when I cautioned not to project out the hot start to 100+ wins and just enjoy the day to day of the season, a long one, I didn’t exactly mean for the Gyros to go on and prove me right by losing 13 out of 17. Going 9 – 8 over that stretch would have been good enough to prove the point. So, let’s get a win today, though with Cain up, I’m not sanguine about it. BTW, these night games on Saturdays suck. What’s the reason — TV back east?…
don’t know but the Dodgers game just started in LA so why can’t we start early, too?
Weekend baseball is meant to be played in afternoon daylight…
It might be the MLB Network Saturday night game of the week.
TV back east? the game starts at 10 and will end around 1AM. I might be weird, well I am, but I’d prefer an afternoon game.
Amazing how Alexi Lalas can go from resembling the lead singer of the Spin Doctors to Officer John Baker from CHips…
What does Lalas do during the 4 years in between World Cups? He gives off an air of his S doesn’t stink, when I don’t know why he would qualify for that. And, the commentators for the set roundtables are amusing. ESPN picks bald, portly Irish and English guys that look like they just came out of the pub; and picks husky-voiced Hispanic ex-players with 2 day old beards that look like they are actor/models on hiatus from Univision soap operas…
Ha, very true! I actually think I have watched the commentators more than the actual soccer.
That unknown dude who cleaned our clock the other day – the Padres’ Odrisamer Despaigne could be the only player whose name contains all the letters of the team for which he plays.
That is pretty fuckin’ amazing. I gotta get to work on finding another…
Now that he’s been booted out of the WCup, I hear ESPN is going to hire Luis Suarez of Uruguay to be a color commentator for the rest of the tournament. He will be required to wear a protective mouthpiece while on set…
they should make him wear that thing from Silence of the Lambs
Dodgers are destroying St Louis so a win tonight would be nice.
have we gotten any word on what, exactly, the doctors say is wrong with Pagan’s back?
It’s fucked. When they start doing epidurals, it either takes or it doesn’t.. It obviously didn’t take.
I’d say 2-3 more weeks.
OK, I will gladly give up no hitters, 1st at bat home runs for rookies, and other Pyrrhic victories for a GIANT WINNING STREAK . . . Or as Pyrrhus later famously commented on his victory at Asculum, stating, “If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined”. 🙂
Every night now feels like it used to feel when Zito pitched. You brace yourself, expecting the worst.
Yay. The 300 lb pitcher gets a hit. Fuck me sideways.
you know what I want? I want Kruk to stop telling me about Simon’s sick sliders and start telling me about why he was passed by in the Giants org. He was there for ’04-’06. Maybe the guy is on steroids, maybe he developed a new pitch, but I just want something more from Kruk other than him telling me how sick this guy’s shit is. Where did this come from? Even a theory? Float it out there……
The opposition Pitcher getting a base hit is never a good thing. Sigh.
Conversely, getting a double play is a cure all.
One to measure and one to swing at out of the strike zone.
A sign of hope is we aren’t getting no-hit.
Matt’s due. Then again the entire team is
Tell ya one thing, the platitudes get to sounding like nails on a chalkboard when the team is in the shitter
Chuck, good point. Flavor’s comment at 7:47pm is pertinent as well. I get sick and tired of ALL home broadcasting teams – not just ours – drone on about absolutely nothing, avoiding criticism of the home team, i.e., avoiding the 800 lb. gorilla in the room. The “gorilla” of course being this frickin’ losing streak. It makes their stupid commentary irrelevant and more important, boring.
Simon is .2.83 10-3 64 1.06 whip?
Wow. Who is this guy?
Fingers crossed on Pagan’s return. Belt is due real soon. The table setter and the guy who was setting pace for a 30 HR season before his thumb got whacked. These two are difference makers. Belt was fast becoming Mr. Clutch for this team. Losing both of them has discombobulated this team almost beyond imagination. May the reverse also be true.
Yes we need to get back to combobulated.
Cain’s been dodging bullets at 72 pitches through five. Simon has a ridiculous pitch count through four of 43. Giants batters been swinging wet noodles.
Hey!!
Nice swing, Duval.
Well. it gopt one in.
A righty pull hitter at ATT. What a novel approach…
Couple days ago i noted that it’s better to play Panik right now than Hicks because Brandon3 is a fanning mill while Joe is a contact hitter and more likely to drive in a run with one out and a runner on third with a ground out or fly ball. Crawford is a steady contributor and Duvall is opening some eyes.
Eyes were wide open with Duvall blasting 23 hrs in Fresno . Now he just needs to keep them from nodding off. 😉
Someone needs to go f- deep off Simon…Morse is due for a bomb..2 outs?
Of all guys to work a walk. Morse is over over over due for a dinger. Or a ribbie.
The two out magic is missing.
damn damn damn. not getting any breaks.
BLEEP!
Woof!
Another fuck up by the Reds keeping us in this game.
Nice to have the Caballo back.
God forbid we move the runner over.
Pence takes 2 fat pitches to let Blanco go?
Finger crossing and nail-biting is excused for this inning only.
Are you fucking shitting me?
Fuck this fucking around shit. Fuck.
Godalfuckingmighty.
can’t say I didn’t see that coming. Guys just wait on the inside pitch after thy let the wide ones go.
OK, Romo is officially sucking.
Time to seriously consider Casilla moving to closer. I don’t give an S about Romo’s psyche.
We need to close down these games…
Nightmare continues…and that might be it for Romo.
I was just telling my son if he goes inside with the floater it’ll get jacked,
Sure enough.
Yup, Snarkk.
Romo’s toast.
Romo’s stat line is freekin horrendous.
So, let me rephrase.
We don’t need to consider moving Casilla to closer.
We need to move him to closer.
Fuck me sideways. Serviing up frisbees.
Cain gets screwed yet again.
Who does Hembree have to blow to get called up?
You?
Fucking misery index keeps increasing. So much shit is going wrong, I have no idea where or what the Giants should make a priority – one finger goes in the dyke and another leak springs.
Jeeeeezuz.
Even bBoch has to be thinking about getting Romo out of there.
Romo’s outs are freekin near dingers.
He has been hammered now for his last handful of appearances.
Get his ass out of the closer role. Tomorrow…
Oh, goodie. Talk about due…HP let’s go.
There you go,,,
Just return the favor Pabblo.
Great ab. softened him up for Posey? 😉
Maybe they can rally and get Romo a well deserved win…
Great AB by the Panda. This Chapman dude throws gas, but he may not know where it’s going…
YES!
Holy Shit! Unfrickingbelievable!