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So how important is this 3 games series? To us? To them? They re-arranged their rotation for this series and frankly, I think that was a great move. I’m glad we have Timmy going tonight, he’s been so good at home. But Voggy and Petit following him? Not much we could have done about Petit but I really wish Bum or Huddy were going this weekend….
So how many games do you think we HAVE to win, considering the opponent, the current NL West standings and the fact that this is at home? I’m assuming we all agree zero would be a disaster and no one in their right mind should think we have to sweep the Dodgers this weekend…..
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Go Timmeh!!! One game at a time. Huge need to rise to the occasion with all the injuries and such.
They don’t HAVE to win any. But it’s a chance to make a statement and really demoralize LA – especially if they could somehow knock off Ker-fax…
Sure wish we were facing Haren and Beckett, then a sweep could have be possible!
But with only Timmy, the bullets aren’t loaded.Petit sucks, and Voggy blown up last start (11hits in 3?) doesn’t bode well in this series!
Having said that Fuck LA!!!
Petit sucks? I beg to differ. He has contributed as much, if not more, than Cainer this year. He is a valued commodity in my book (can do long relief or spot starts). His line this year is he has been in 27 games with 6 starts. His ERA is 4.24 and WHIP comes in at 1.206 (respectable). Given where our boys are in the grand scheme of things, I do beg to differ on him “sucking.” If the offense can support him, he has a chance on hanging a loss on the bumbinos.
Also, in his home/away splits, Vogey has a 3.04 ERA and 1.074 WHIP. He has gone 68 innings in 11 starts (6.1 IP/start). Sure, you want better from your staff, but for the 4 and 5 guys in your rotation, this isn’t too shabby. Same comment I made about Petit above. If the team gives him some decent run support, then they can hang a loss on the bums.
Seeing how LA’s struggled out of the break, I think it was a stupid move on LAs part as their shitty pitchers end up with more starts than their good ones.
Donnie 2x is putting all the pressure on his players by playing along with the notion that we are in their heads.
Perfect.
In the grand scheme anything but a sweep by them would be fine. I’d love to see us do it, but their pitching is crazy good. I think we take 2.
Vogie didn’t pitch spectacularly last time out, but he’s been rewarded with 0 runs in his previous 3 starts. I think he gets some runs and does fine. With help from the pen.
Plus Crawfish did him Vogie no favors by blowing an easy DP that turned into a big inning his last game.
Agree Charlie. See my comments above (in reply to Kat). No offense Kat, but I don’t totally agree with your synopsis of either Petit or Vogelsong.
You didn’t put ‘3’ on the poll.
I know. As I said in the thread, I don’t think anyone thinks we HAVE to sweep them.
Yeah, DJ. If the Giants take 2, then Donnie’s strategy backfired badly. Setting up your rotation for the rest of the season based on one series could really bite them in the ass.
Let’s hope so.
I am hoping EVERY DAY that SOMETHING bites the bumbinos in the ass. Could not happen to a nicer bunch of dickwads IMNSHO.
BEAT LA! FUCK LA! BEAT LA!
Even if SF only cops one with Donnie putting his top three threat in position, Giants still lead by half a game and for the LaBumbos its Kiss your sisterville ~ considering their pitching setup for the rest of the season. Mattingly is gambling heavily that the Bums can sweep three in SF. His only hope is that the Giants lineup is so hobbled by injuries that they might not drive in that key run in the closest contest. Any other scenario and he loses the bet.
And you didn’t put a 0 on the poll, either. I don’t think they HAVE TO win any of the games. We’ll have six more with these bums in September (three home and three in la la land). So, I don’t think any of the games are a “must win” as there is too much ball left to play, and the trade deadline has yet to come and pass. Still a chance for the G-men to shore up the line-up and again…lots of ball to play.
From a morale standpoint…yes, it would be great to win the series. To get swept could be a real morale hit, but it would not be the end of the world.
I am predicting our boys take 2 of 3, but none are must wins, IMO.
Seems like more and more deals are getting done after the deadline in recent years.
Due to the economics of the game, the deadline’s not really the deadline anymore…
Good point. I think there could be a handfull of guys (especially Phillies) that will clear waivers and will be traded after the deadline.
Thanks, Mean Joe!
Yeah, I get it. Deadline or not…the point is that there is still time for teams to shore-up their line-ups for the push down the stretch…
Agree with you and Loo (which I noted in my post below).
I could totally see Sabean and Coletti playing a game of cock blocker on potential waiver guys after the deadline. Especially with their records so similar.
“Sabean and Coletti playing a game of cock blocker…” good one, Joe. Will it be the Italian (Bocce Ball) version?
Shit, we got Cody Clown that way. If the Dogs end up with Bozo (no, not that one), more power to ’em.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.
I don’t think arranging or rearranging the sequence of your starting pitchers in July mean that much…They can be rearranged time and time again with off days and such…
Was reading the comments yesterday regarding trade talk. It should just go to show anything reporters report should be taken lightly…like Theo not responding to Sabes when he inquired about Samardjia for prospects. He isn’t in the same league as Price but the GM of the the Rays is listening or engaged with Sabes…Come on.
I beg to differ. A little. Haren already has 2 losses coming out of the AS break and the shift pretty much guarantees less starts for Kershaw and Ryu. 2 games may not matter, but then again . . .
Well then he certainly didn’t want Haren to face the Giants did he?
I agree with Loo that it wouldn’t be a disaster to lose all 3. No doubt, it would be nice to make a statement. However, any of you long time Giants fans have to remember that there were some Dodgers and a lot of Dodger fans that discounted the so-called “rivalry” between us and them. This was the period when they won their last World Series and seemed to always be in the playoffs. Meanwhile we were floundering. In short, they humiliated us by pretending we weren’t even there.
Consequently, I don’t give the Dodgers much thought. Hey, I know they are there, but they are fuckwads until they win a World Series in this century. 🙂
Fuck those fucking fuckwads from fucking la la land.
And Timmy would chime in “Fuck Yeah!” I’m busting out my “Fuck Yeah” Timmy shirt to rock this evening (didn’t think it would go over too wonderfully here at work).
The difference now is both teams are competitive. 90% of the 70s and 80s, it was the Dogs that were . . .
Well Sabean was on KNBR last night for the drive home, and he said he would not do a bad trade just to be doing something. the way he was talking he did not feel like there was anyone worth getting.
Oh, there’s people worth getting, but the price tag is the sticking point.
Exactly, Charlie. You cannot tell me that a guy like Zobrist isn’t worth adding. Way things are going (Rays making a run) Price and Zobrist may not be available. But the point is there IS talent that could help this club. The asking price for most is probably prohibitive as the Giants have few trading pieces of any magnitude, and cannot add a ton of salary (unless Big Daddy Charles Johnson convinces the ownership group to loosen the purse strings).
We were all having some fun with Ryan Howard’s ineptitude at the plate (and the subsequent booing by Phillie fans) during our series in Philly.
I had to laugh when I read this in an article re: trades:
“The Phillies have offered Ryan Howard to any American League club they think could theoretically use him and received no takers. GM Ruben Amaro has even offered to pay the vast majority of Howard’s deal while asking for little in return, but to no avail.” Even offering to pay a big chunk of that “dead” salary and stilll no takers. Howard is so done.
I’m surprised they don’t just cut him loose a la Aaron Rowan.
Well, if they don’t get any takers this year, they may just do that. Perhaps they try to buy him out to lessen their financial obligation. Talking about a team that is fucked (aging players with bloated salaries).
Sabean generally does at least 2 things very well: 1) manages significant, make-a-difference trades/pick-ups at the end of July and even in August very very well (unless he’s already written off the season as a bad-penny year, which he hasn’t this year); and 2) shovels meaningless crap to the media for them to report *something* about nothing. Maybe it’s just his way of lowering everyone’s expectations. There is no way Sabean believes there’s nobody worth getting, because clearly there are players worth getting, and there also can be no way he believes the team does not need to be improved in light of the injuries to Pagan, Cain, Belt, and the flavor of the day at 2B. Without those troubling injuries, right, he could likely stand pat, he put together a very good team. No way he stands pat the rest of the way this year. I’m looking forward to seeing what he does. (If he does nothing, I will be extremely surprised and disappointed.)
Exactly, Paul Check out my 2:51 above…we’re both singing from the same sheet of music. And I agree…I will be very surprised if he does nothing. The dude excels at this shit, and the team has the need. Outside of that…I am excited as hell about tonight’s game. Gail is going out with a girlfriend, so it’ll be just me and dogs in the quiet comfines to watch Timmy and crew make the bums blue. GO GIANTS – BEAT LA!
Just reflecting how fucking cool it is that this blog has brought together so many “Flappers” from many walks of life and from around the globe. It really is a very cool thing.
With that I offer a big shout-out to Big Flavor for providing the electronic venue to make it all happen.
Think what Sabean is saying is the asking price is much higher than what they feel the player is worth.
Teams know giants are desperate and are going to try and screw em. So you wait em out and if the price doesn’t come down considerably, you say no thanks and fuck you.
Uggly in the starting line up batting 7th…..
Oh dear. I guess it couldn’t get any worse? I mean, Headley’s tearing it up in NY.
I kid I kid.
Just got to hope for a hot start in the new environs I suppose.
Well at this point he’s a better option than Scoots or Arias. Or Noonan. He hasn’t hit Kershaw,but Panik is a lefty. Might as well roll the dice. Pat the bat looked awfully done when he left Tampa.
Yes I know greinke tonight
No surprise on Uggly. My friend Mike just texted me:
Adrianza and Scoots to the DL.
Uggly and Abreu’s contracts purchased.
Noonan and DePaula DFA’d.
Let’s get UGGLY! BEAT LA!
I thought I heard Abreu was dropped from the 40-man to make room for Fuggla. They both are coming up?
Shit, Chuck. My wife and son are in LA. Hit the road now and we can make the game . . .
This is so UGGLA!
Except for 2012, the Giants and LA haven’t really spent much time fighting each for the top spot in the last several years. I mostly agree with Blade’s earlier sentiments, but this series holds a little more interest than usual.
You read it here first – next season the Bums are this season’s Phils.
If Uggla has a great game, it complicates matters, like finding that some uggly chick is a great kisser but you really don’t want to go to 2nd base or third or home with her. Sure, I wouldn’t mind if Ugggly bradpennyizes the Dodgers tonight but UGGLA IS NOT THE ANSWER. He’s not even the question. (Come to think of it, Brad Penny was pitching great for us until the Dogs destroyed him.) Off to see the SyrChiefs tonight.
Pawlie: Same line of thinking occurred to me. Just suppose the dude somehow runs into one tonight with a teammate or two aboard. Maybe Greinke would be ordered to groove one just to stick us with his presence for weeks on end ~ beyond the Deadline, of course. Then if the LaBumbos STILL happen to be behind SF in the standings they could Cody any waiver deals.
Not wishing the dude bad. Heck, i even have a dollop of Swede in me and always love comeback stories. Nevertheless this is a desperation move with all the injuries at that position. Abreu may have been a better move. We’ll see.
Winning Uggla? Good luck with that one.
Just got an email from our SFGiants offering to sell me seats from Candlestick, (a pair for $749), even autographed (more, I’m sure). Tacky. Oh, it’d be cool, I guess. But it strikes me as tacky, I don’t know why. Maybe it’s just me. Everything has a price. Even my virtue.
Several teams have done that deal. The Dodgers sold seats they tore out for their remodel and we did it down here in San Dawg when they encircled Jack Murphy/Qualcomm Stadium. I don’t mind the Giants following suit, but I do have a problem with the price. $749 a pair? And that is the base model? $149 a pair and I’m whipping out my credit card.
As for tonight, in the grand scheme this series is 3 of 162, but for us fans these are special games. As for Uggla, I’m glad we’re taking a flyer on him and I’m glad he’s in the line-up. If his problem is a mental/confidence thing, a change of scenery and magic tough of Bochy could be just what he needs. And is ceiling is a helluva lot higher than anyone else we are trotting out there. Then again, I said the same thing about Francoeur…..
I’m kinda feeling that with the somewhat urgent need for a good starting pitcher and OFer now surpassing the previous perceived urgent need for a 2Bman, I’d love to see Uggly “complicate” things. Why not? At this point, I’m ready to see Uggla and Abreu over Adrianza and Scoots. Scoots is done and Adrianza has never really materialized (anyone here really want to see more of Adrianza starting at 2B and hitting 2nd?)….. Oh, and, did I really read something very recently that Penny is in the bigs again? San Diego, was it? Oh, and, Steve… good call on LA next year, love it…. The only thing that could prevent that from happening is their starting rotation still being somewhat stellar.
I’m counting on 2-3 Tommy John surgeries. 🙂
Just think, when Tommy John himself has surgery for anything, it’s always a Tommy John surgery.
Tommy John had himself a fairly remarkable career. If he could have imagined at the start of his career how many times his name would be mentioned well into the 21st century, he probably would’ve thought he must’ve been the best pitcher ever…
If he’d only trademarked his name . . .
I see tonight is 80s night at AT&T, must be in honor of the last time Dodgers won the World Series.
Lol, so true,and they won’t see another one hopefully in Flap History!
Maybe in the 7th inning head-hunter Greinke will be so pissed off about something that he breaks Uggla’s hand with a pitch. Giants get so fired up they score and score tonight and go on to sweep the series. That scenario is probably closer to reality than our new acquisition blasting one into McCovey Cove.
Ahh the Giants would still keep Uggla in the game with a busted up hand.
Their crack medical staff would think its a concussion first like Belt’s post trauma..
Steak and whiskey for dinner.
Bulleitt and a New York with a side of rice.
Can of cold beans is good too! Yummy……
maybe uugla benefits from the “change of scenery! Wouldn’t be the 1st time. Check the standings and you will see Giants Dodgers and several other top teams are better on the road this year. Odd.
Shit I see one pitch. Triple.
it hit the wall not a person.
Boch wants a ground rule double.
I hate that shit. That’s a hanger.
Giftie.
C’mon Panda.
Beg Chuck!
Woof! Dennis is the one that begs
Man, I really hope Pence isn’t cooling off.
I recently finished Season 2 of “West Wing.” What a great show. One of the best TV dramas ever.
OK, let’s try not to hang slop to Puig again.
Nevermind.
Never seen a catcher take more shots than H
BF… It’s killing me and I’m sure your doing a slow burn as well that Dan Uggla is wearing Will Clark’s Jersey 22!!! So wrong on every possible level!!
Fuck, Timmy. That’s 2x in a row he has to waste a pitch and doesn’t with Puig.
Yeah, it was 0-2, with the situation screaming for a Timmy pitch in the dirt, and he hangs one. Brutal.
He’s lucky it stayed in the park. TIm Tim has to watch the pitch count.
Said hi to Manny Burriss from all y’all, from 2nd row, behind plate.
Mitch Lively pitched for Syracuse tonight. He had just opted out of his Fresno contract days ago (as did Tony Abreu). The only thing lively was the ball coming off the bats.
I rooted “HARD” for Burriss, but he just didn’t have it. I truly hope the kid does well…I still like him.
He turned. I gave him a thumbs up. He made an error tonight (has 15), but has been a capable hitter. But ultimately, I fear, a minor leaguer. Wanted to go all Andres Torres on him but he was at work.
Goddamnnit Blanco. In the fucking dirt.
Hector has worst luck. He only catches one SP and gets hammered worse than Posey in other 4 combined.
Like Albert King said, “Weren’t for bad luck, wouldn’t have no luck at all.”
Sanchez sucks…
WillieD…Agree that Timmy is hard to ketch and all, but I’m not thrilled how the trainers and Bochy just rolled with it as of course Sanchez was selling them he was Ok. I could see on TV he was wobbly and seeing stars ,yet they let him finish the inning and gave an AB as well? Just fucking dumb, like what happened to Belt
The one thing that is totally fucked-up with this team is that Blanco has to start. He is fine as a 4/5 guy with an “OCCASIONAL” start, but NO WAY IN HELL he belongs in the starting line-up.
Don’t worry, a new OFer will arrive shortly. 🙂
And sorry…personal receiver for Timmy or not, Sanchez just doesn’t cut it as a backup C. My prediction is Susac is the backup backstop next year (unless he is part of a trade package).
Fuck. I’d rather see Susac now.
Not sure who else made a comment on Uggly rocking the 22, but NO WAY IN HELL he should be wearing that number. Is Murph losing it My understanding is he is the man that controls the # assignment. Retire 22, already
I hope Uggly is the second coming of Burrell, Ross, etc., but no way in hell should he be sporting the 22.
Yeah I mentioned it earlier Chi, it’s just a disservice to the Thrill, and he has to watch his own number look like a pile of dogshit that will never get clean in the laundry..
Wow. Too bad that didn’t sail
Yeah, that’s pretty fucked up. Too many guys have worn that 22 after Will. Come on Crawfish.
Remarkable effort my ass for HanRam. Fuck him and the rest of the bums. Make it hurt, Gs!
Time to knock Greinke to the Farallons.
I’d take a flare right now.
Let’s go MudBug…fuck Greinke…
Fuck personal catchers!!
I cringed every time Whitey was behind the dish!!
I’m with ya, Charlie…flare would work…
Fuck. Good pitcher or not. that’s right down the pipe.
WTF…how the fuck do you look at that one…
Uggly’s chance to win the hearts…
Agree AK regarding your 8:29pm post . . . I felt bad for Sanchez. He really got his bell rung and it was unconscionable that he remained in the game.
He sucks this year….
That’s not the point. Similar to Belt, Sanchez didn’t receive competent medical (concussion) evaluation in my opinion. Shit, the only thing that kept him up was the umpire grabbing him.
Agree, Steve. Giants medicos just suck ass…
Multiple chances to make Greinke pay, and the Giants can’t get the key knock.
Uggla not up to his first good shot. Wishing him well there. Knew such a situation would come up. I mean it is baseball. Pitch count even at 67 through four with Timmy throwing five fewer balls and Greinke one BB. Anybody got a line on how deep their guy can go. We know Timmy, if on, can be good for 120 or so if not in hot, muggy conditions.
Well, that looks like it may be more than enough for Grienke. Shit, we may get swept.
Oh joy
Ballgame.
Well, I would not say that. It is only the 5th…
Hmmm…Timmy may be done for the night…
Sigh.
This AB against Gonzales is big.
Need Timmy to finish this inning, and our boys to put up a crooked number. Like a 4…
Yeah, actually you’re right – he needs to get out of this inning.
To the showers Timmy.
Good night, girls. I’ve had enough.
You’d stay for Randolph Scott.
Hoping Timmy can hold Gonzalez to a double.