Foretelling The Future
The only good thing that’s come out of this Summer Slide is that it’s turned me into a master prognosticator.
We get the bases loaded with no out and our best hitters coming up?
I know what’s about to happen…..
A runner is rounding second and headed in the direction of dumbass Roberto?
I know what’s about to happen…..
There is a play at the plate?
I know what’s about to happen……
Cain loses it completely and he starts walking guys?
I know what’s about to happen……
We get a 4 run lead?
I know what’s about to happen…….
The rest of this season?
I know what’s about to happen…..
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McCovey Chroncle proved Roberto Kelly has been an effective 3B coach. Remember him sending Buster yesterday? Safe.
Stick with facts, please. This is a rough patch, very rough, but don’t use trumpish claims, please.
this was a strong post. I assumed this was Zumiee till I had to do a double take and see it was you.
I am not a big movie guy. When asked what my favorite movie of all time is, I always reply “The Cable Guy.” Gets a bit of a rise out of people and I actually do really like that movie.
I beg to differ. I watch almost every damned game, and Kelly has failed more often than not in evaluating the situation with runners. He needs to find a new job after this season…he must be replaced. I have ZERO confidence in him.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2016/8/9/12415122/roberto-kelly-sf-giants-third-base-coach
the numbers he cites do nothing to support his conclusion. How to tell Kelly had anything to do with it or was just passive factor while someone scored or took extra base?
Usually the baserunner has pretty good idea whether to go or not…unlike Kelly.
However, everyone here has at least 4 examples recently where Kelly was clearly at fault and cost the Giants runs in close games they lost. Not anecdotal and Brisbee saw them too.
Bochy admitted post game that he left Cain in too long. We must be missing something. The Flappers and most other Giants fans can tell he needs to be yanked, but Bochy can’t…
The last 4 games has not been heart or gut wrenching….it has been tear the heart out of our chest cavity and some Fodger Fan starts jumping up and down on it…
There are lots of things wrong with that McCovey’s Chron article starting with the fact that there is no context and when it comes to this topic you have to look at the context. It demands it. And that alone is enough to invalidate the article. But if you think Roberto Kelly is a good third base coach, I am totally 100% fine with you believing that.
Whoever wants to believe Kelly is a good third base coach can believe it until the fucking cows come home, but I am in violent disagreement. He needs to be replaced after this year.
He was in danger, he was in grave danger? Is there any other kind?
Kelly’s ineffectiveness is like the whole umpire argument against replay a few years back. Yes, they get 98% of the calls right. Why? Because 98% of the calls are fucking EASY. Fuck up those 2% all the time, and you suck. Regardless of the other 98%.
Same thing with R Kelly. More often than not, sending the runner isn’t a problem. When it is a close play, Kelly has been invariably wrong.
See, Tom? This disproves the article.
exactly. That article doesn’t take into consideration nearly enough information
Great post, Charlie. I agree BIG TIME!
Going back to yesterday’s thread, the final comment from Paul was:
“I still don’t think this team sucks, per se, even though their recent play certainly does. There just seems to be something *wrong* with the team, as a whole. Weird vibes, voodoo doll pins, some strange interactions in the clubhouse…. Nearly impossible to explain the Jekyll/Hyde performance up til now. You don’t just suddenly forget how to play the game, or how to win.”
I agree with this 100% and have said as much. I think this team has the pieces to win it all. They just need to find a way out of this funk.
If there is a night on which to begin a big turn-around…tonight is THE NIGHT – Jerry Garcia/Grateful Dead Tribute Night.
Far be it from me to say something positive about the Dodgers, but I’ll give them credit for this, all the time they were sort of treading water this season, they never stopped making changes. They even sent Enrique Hernandez down to the minors for a while, who was their super-sub last season. There’s no way the Dodgers this season would have stuck with the ’16 Blanco. They’ve, of course, sent Puig down to the minors. They ate a huge amount of cash and cut Crawford. If somebody from AAA was doing well, they stuck with them, and rode them until it burned out. Trayce Thompson made a huge contribution before being injured. The Giants burying Parker back in AAA just isn’t a first-rate decision by the Giants. And Tomlinson in AAA instead of OOO being there isn’t putting the best foot forward either. And there are other examples. The Dodgers, as an organization, are hungrier right now than the Giants. The Giants seem a little complacent because of all the championships.
Yeah, I know the Dodger starting pitching has huge issues, but they’ve never stopped tinkering with their pitching all season, especially the bullpen. I still don’t think they’re built well right now to win the World Series, but they did what they had to do to get the division lead. It’s going to be real hard to take that back from them. We’re probably staring at the reality of fighting for a Wild Card.
And as Jim Mora so famously said: “Playoffs?!! We’re just trying to win a game right now.”
And if Williamson is healthy again, then he’s another one that could be helping right now.
The Dodgers are just being more creative than the Giants. The Dodgers put Kendrick in leftfield, and he sucked for a while, but they stuck with him and he’s OK there now. The Giants need to be more creative with their outfield.
How about bring up Tomlinson and Parker or Wiliamson, and actually bench Panik and Pence for a little while? Maybe even send Panik to AAA for a while to regain his game. I know it sounds way outside the box for the Giants, but that’s being bold and pro-active, IMO.
Panik and Pence ARE a big problem right now. Neither has done much since coming back from their injuries. They SHOULD get rest. Williamson, Parker and Specs need to be here NOW, and not simply after the Sept call-up. O-O-O and Blanco are serious liabilities right now.
Bochy has followed this pattern all through his tenure here. And while it has worked out eventually in some cases, there are cases (Ray Ray, Rowand, Cain, Peavy, Bad Penny) where this utterly failed.
the Dodgers have been on an offensive tear that has made up for their crummy pitching. Giants also clearly won off season from them, and I’d say Moore and Nunez are better than Reddick and Hill, who I don’t believe has even pitched yet. Giants offensive woes contributed to many of recent losses while LA has blasted through sub par pitching.
They are a team more built for power and those teams are generally easier to pitch to. Just as I don’t believe SF will continue to slide further, I doubt LA maintains their offensive surge. SPs and defense should make the difference and I think Giants are stronger there. Hopefully this shows up in head to head match ups.
Those are good points, Willie, I totally see what you’re saying; but I also think that kind of offense for the Dodgers just does well in the regular season because there is so much bad pitching out there. And as we get into September, and more teams start folding their tents up, those teams will be trotting out all kinds of AAA pitchers, and the Dodgers are just going to crush those guys; whereas, the Giants don’t have the sheer power to crush all that many pitchers. The Giants have to string together conga-line rallies.
It’s that same paradox of the last several years, which has served the Giants well, but makes for frustration during the regular season: the Dodgers are built better for the regular season, and the Giants are built better for the playoffs.
Giants of course didn’t help themselves by allowing the Padres to sweep them.
SF and LA will be playing Division opponents a lot, and all those games will factor in, maybe even more than the head to head. All those other teams would love to spoil someone’s playoff drive and have players trying to secure futures.
I still have Pawlie’s Starry Night on my front room table. Just amazing what happened that night, with also rans like Orioles and Tampa helping decide things.
Flav and Joe, Musgrove pitching today (which both of you probably know). Again, thanks Joe – he won me some change last time out. 🙂
Grossmont High School strikes again! (where Musgrove and my kids go/went to school)
The dude was money last Friday against the Blue Jays. He gave up two earned runs on six hits, struck out seven and a walk over seven innings. Quite impressive against a potent LU at a hitter’s park.
The legend of Grossmont High School just upchucked 3 runs in the 1st. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh . . . sigh.
Hoy shit. That the Cubs even have the song available is nuts….
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2657789-cubs-play-inappropriate-song-as-aroldis-chapman-walks-off-mound-team-apologizes?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league
Oooops. I mean really. Pat Benatar,s hit me with your best shot would have been bad, but smack my bitch up?
Shout out to the East coast Flap crew and recent “fish out of water emigres” sandog, Trevor, Chi, and I. Not certain that sandog and his son visited Times Square, but Chi and I were there (hilarious scene of Chi dealing with his back pack. Oh, I wish I had a photo).
Anywho, in 2 minutes, this guy describes what he thought about spending 15 hours in Times Square.
Cain to DL for Gearrin return. San DIggity called that.
That did not take long
Who’s Tom Lawrence, and why is he telling Flappers what they should or should not say?
Cain with the phantom back injury as he tweaked it watching McChutceon bomb go yard!
Really it was more about Bochy not wanting to embarass him by yanking him out of the rotation in the upcoming series against the Dogpile. And they can for once logically set up the rotation with Bum, Cueto& Moore and throw the 2 lefties which will be to are advantage since the Dogpile struggle against lefties..
Yeah and who the fuck is Tom Lawerence???
Dodgers lost.
at this point, it really doesn’t matter. Until we stop winning at a .333 clip we are hopeless
LIke the Tim Flannery version of our anthem. Nice job! Also, like the shots of Walton and Crazy Horse showing respect.
Nice anthem performance by Flannery and the two ladies.
I’m a huge Bill Walton fan. He’s my favorite college bball announcer. Love seeing him at the park.
Kruk, please STFU about Gorman’s strike zone. I don’t want to hear about the myriad of different strikes he’s going to call. I want to watch him call actual fucking strikes. That’s it……..
Also, can the “Squuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaattttttt.”
lol, that strike 3 swing by Belt. Wow. He missed that ball by nearly 2 feet. That’s hard to do as a mlb hitter.
In the last month, the Giants have been specializing in doubles that lead to nothing.
Same usual ineptitude, lead off double and “Stranded on a toilet bowl”
What do you do when your stranded and you run out of roll?
You Butt Slide!
Again how hard is it to ask for a FUCKING BUNT after a lead off double??? It is managerially irresponsible and negligent to continue managing this way…maybe his brain has the same condition as Hillary Clinton’s alleged brain issue…
Yeah, Bochy keeps managing for the big inning that never comes.
That’s the new Trump strategy, attack Hillary’s health. He’s two years older than her, and could lose a few pounds.
And yet the Dems had no issue whatsoever attacking John McCain’s health in 2008. Interesting.
Kruk thinks kids are dropped off to school at 9am by their mom’s. Classic.
Kruk’s kids are tardy.
Yup. Irritating.
The bunting thing.
The lead off double will be our best chance to score.
Is Kelly coaching first base now? WTF was that by Nunez?
Really?
That’s just bad baseball. There was very little chance of making it. I wonder if coaches say anything to a veteran after that. Something like “Hey, this isn’t the Twins. We’re playing like crap right now, but we really do have higher standards here.”
Well that was a pretty dumbshit attempt by Nunez to go for 2. Goes with the track record lately though. Maybe Hayes has caught Kelly’s malaria as well..
dumb baserunning numbñuts, although Krukow has none gripe with your choice
I don’t hate Nunie’s move. It’s time to be aggressive. Put pressure on the D. Nobody else on the team is. And Nunie at first base with 2 out and Panik coming up? Sorry, that doesn’t do much for me.
A single and steal has a better shot. He was out by 10 feet.
you see Bochy sending lots of guys? That move by Nunie, which he obviously get to do on his own, is the closest thing we come to taking extra bases on the team (or trying to take extra bases)
Jesus. A soft liner that pulled the LFer toward 2nd and he goes.
Collective brain drain.
Of course, K&K defend it. Doing their cheerleader thing. I doubt the Mets broadcasters, Darling and Hernandez, would defend a Mets player in that same situation.
Kruk you are fucking killing me with your take on Nunez??
Well I have no problem going there ??
Fuck he was out by 10 ft!
you guys that were all jazzed to see Nunie standing at first base with Panik coming up…..come on. Was that really that bad of an idea? Force the dude to make a good throw. And remember, after Panik it’s the pitcher.
after Panik it’s who? still, I understand your point and don’t really disagree. wth? this team needs something
I like Bum batting too. But having a dude lingering at first base with 2 outs is just not a threat. It’s just a dude over there. At least at 2nd base and 2 out there is a threat.
I know he was out by 10 feet. If there is a bad throw (and you’re aware those happen right?) then it is a play that energizes the game, the team and the fanbase. It would have been a hustle play. I agree it was risky but it’s not like there were a bunch of guys in scoring position with our best hitter coming up. 2 outs, bottom of the order, fuck it, try to put yourself in scoring position. Again, no one else on this team is doing shit. I don’t like the move because he got thrown out, but I certainly don’t hate the attempt in that situation.
The D-Backs ran like crazy on d’Arnaud over the last week-plus, like Unca said, better a single and try for a stolen base than that incredibly stupid play.
and as I said a min ago up above, do you see Bochy sending Nunie a bunch of times when he gets to first base? Nunie would have died there, lamely….
Agree, Craig, someone needs to do something aggressive. In 5th grade, playing kickball at recess, there was one classmate who would kick it, short or far, and he would just run run run, never stop, make the kids try to get him out, and more often than not, he’d make it all the way home, even on a grounder in the infield. Right, this is what it’s come to, me suggesting a playground kickball strategy for this team……
and I wasn’t in love with the move. I just understand where he was coming with it.
Yep.
Wish I knew where the 3rd baseman is.
the main thing I’ll say AGAINST the Nunie move is that it’s much more likely an OF fucks up a throw to home plate than second base.
Well that was my point. The balls path took the LFer right toward 2nd. It’s a 25′ throw not 280′.
yeah, that’s a good point.
Blew bunnies chance to move huge runner.
That was epic Unca . . . Blew bunnies??? Hilarious.
Fuck my phone
Yeah, that sounded like one of those World War II code phrases.
Oh fuck yeah a GrandSlam, Ballgame, blown bunnies, checkmate!!
3 bombs in 11 career AB’s plus a single that’s ownage..
Krukow: “If the Giants keep getting runners on base, they’re going to break through against him.”
Is that the way things have worked in the last month? Krukow’s been watching these games, right?
Bummie’s blowing bunnies now.
What gets me pissed off Nunez in the AL had what 28 steals?
Comes over to us and Bochy automatically puts the stop sign on on all steals. He’s notorious for this. Fuck he would hold Ricky Henderson and Lou Brock at 1st..
There’s nothing more to say.
HRs, HRs, HRs, the beat goes on….
One month of futility told me that was going to happen. Pfffttt!
I attended the triple play game, I attended the Casilla later game, and I’ve watched all the others. But somehow this is even worse. my gawd
upcoming dumb ass Kelly fuck ups probably not going to factor into tonight’s game…..
Justin Ruggiano. I didn’t even know he was still in the league.
Krukow is the only one I’ve ever heard call a 3-2 count a 2-strike count.
Outz
Walks and bombs. Same as it ever was.
That’s the onlystrike for pence
All the Mets need to do now to add more salt to the wounds is activate Ryan Garko and have him blast a P.H. Grandslam!!
Kelly’s 1-for-1 tonight.
Watching MLB. 2 runners on. Great. Followed by 2 guys who don’t get the ball out of the infield. has to be affecting the pitchers. Fuck it is so aggravating
Kelly deserves a medal.
A boba fibe rally!
Bona fide
Hot damn! A boba fibe rally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally caught a break- a ball on the line.
MadBomber!
hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO fantastic.
Shazbot!!!!!
Boba fet!!
holey sheet. this is just crazy. but good
I never would have believed it, except it’s true.
with all due respect to the outcome of this game…how bout these guys coming back in the bottom of the same inning they went down 4-0? That earns major respect from me.