But I Had Faith and I Had Hope…..
…and then Paul “Small” Clemens said “Nope!”
Loo covered last night loss succinctly and as Flap-accurate as possible:
No pole left unsmoked…
Nothing about last night’s pathetic lay down surprised any of us (or the VMI guys). We’ve seen this type of limp performance out of the Giants before. To be truthful, I watched almost none of it except some quick glimpses during 49er time outs. Even then, I just had to look away. Bad baseball seems to be all the more boring and maddening if you trying to watch it in between a pro football game. I don’t know what that’s all about. I don’t find baseball boring unless I am watching a football game at the same time and that makes no sense because I greatly prefer baseball to football.
But regardless, we got beaten by arguably the worst current starting pitcher in the National League. At home. In a game we really needed to win. Versus a team that is flat-awful….
Enjoy your day. I’m in fucking Oakland all week at a conference and it sucks here…..
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Vomitous…is all I can say. Is that a word???
It is!
Yeah Flav nowhere is the pace of the 2 sports more evident than trying to watch both at the same time. Football is structured in the down times. And even Chipper is speeding that aspect up. If you hit the baseball game at the wrong point you may have nothing happening for a couple minutes.
Throw in the Dish TV lag and it almost ,isn’t worth it.
What a dichotomy between the Niners stellar shut-out start (well, it was against the lambs of la la land) and the shut-out the Giants allowed to happen at the hands of the awful friars.
I am with you, Flav. I was back-and-forth quite a bit until Smardj game up the bomb to Hack-tor to make it 4-zip. I didn’t watch much after that. And I am with you…I am baseball all the way…will choose it ALMOST any day over football (last night being one obvious example of football getting the air time).
On my drive in they were discussing the Giants post-game and Kruk had his infamous “well, you just have to tip your cap” comment, to which Kuip said “No, I don’t want to tip my cap…I threw my cap away” (or something to that effect). I guess Kuip has been on fire of late in regards to our boys in the Black and Orange and their level of sucktitude.
I was feeling pretty good about things coming outta Zona, but should have been more in line with Loo, and had his take “let’s see how you do against some good teams.” Yep, I got sucked into the feel good groove, and then they lay that turd last night at the hands of the…wait…the fucking padres.
Time to put up or shut the fuck up. This team needs a fire lit under its collective ass. I thought Pence’s “Here We Come” may have kick-started things. Uh, no. I know it is not the Giants or Bochy’s MO to flip the post-game spread, but someone needs to do something to wake the team up.
Niners looked good. D was pretty damned spot-on all night, and shut down Girly and Keenum (two picks). The offense was efficient (would like to see the yards per catch go up over five yards, at least). Even with all the shenanigans at the line of scrimmage (flash cards, etc.), the O still got the plays off and executed more than not. This was a game that IMO they really needed to win, given their upcoming schedule.
Oh, and I almost forgot (because the game was SO FUCKING FORGETABLE)…Cain in for some mop time in the 9th…what a waste (and expensive) bullpen piece.
Oh well, let’s hope for a better outcome today. The Giants REALLY need to win this series, and really, all upcoming series. Time is not on their side. The next 20 or so games are going to tell us all we need to know (like we do not already know) about this team.
Sorry for the long post…just had to get all of this shit off my chest. I am SO FUCKING FRIED with the Giants right now!
As soon as I heard Giants were facing someone they had never seen from either Miller or Flem on radio, I went gulp. Sure enough. and to be burned by Hacktor of all hitters, tho I didn’t see any of Pads runs.
Rams are atrocious, looked like they were running the Jimmy Raye/Singletary offense. Fisher seems like one of those guys trying to do something his players aren’t capable of executing. Pro football, with all its layers of position coaches (who are around individual players all the time) co-ordinators and head coach overseeing it all, seems hardest major sport to coach.
Plus you have to deal with injuries all the time, and different groupings of players aren’t always going to be able to plug in and do the same things.
I think that is common mistake, trying to fit players into a system, instead of other way around.
And OK, the guy had a curveball, which early in game was all over the place then he found range with it.
Giants hitters have never seen one before? I did see those last 2 swings by Gillaspie off it and he missed them by a foot and struck out. Arrgghh!
It makes you wonder why they have so much trouble with guys they’ve never seen before. Do the Giants hitters watch much video? It’s not like all these pitchers are so incredibly radically different from each other. The Giants hitters have seen curveballs their entire careers.
Agree, Zume…I have asked that same question so many times. Really – you are facing a guy you have NEVER faced…get some damned video on him, and a scouting report or two. Jeez…frustrating…
Other teams’ scouting report on the Giants,
#1 on the list: Giants have a hard time hitting curveballs.
I’m house sitting with limited access to internet.
Zum I’ve never seen the movie you mentioned, a biopic of Bix Beiderbecke with music part done by Harry James
. Anyone see the Ethan Hawke fictional bio of period in life of Chet Baker, Born to be Blue? Guy was matinee idol and renowned West Coast trumpet player who got famous in ’50s on left coast who had life long issues with H and prescription drugs/in and out of prison and rehab here and in Europe where he was thrown out of at least 3 different countries.
Died in Amsterdam having made a successful musical comeback, after falling out of a second story window with drugs and paraphernalia in the hotel room.
I think they have actually made this place into a memorial of some such.
I know…I even said as much earlier (all the games are key at this point), but today’s game is definitely there. If they get a W behind Suarez (and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle) they then have Bum on the bump tomorrow. Bum is so damned overdue. His next win will be number 100, I believe.
19 games left.
Four against the deadbirds after this series.
Six against the bambinos (three of those to close out the season), at home.
Four in Dago.
Three against the Billy Goats in our house.
To make a statement and have ANY shot at going deep, I think they need three of four from the Cards and four of six from the bums.
Giddy the fuck up boys…
My main focus Sunday was on football, but at one point I had the Giants game going and watched both at the same time. It was when the Giants rallied to take the lead, and the way Greinke was slowwwwwly operating that inning, it seemed like three football plays were run between every pitch.
The only good from last night is that the Cards and Mets were just as bad, Cards almost getting no-hit and the Mets getting beat by Latos.
Good news re: the Cards and Mets, Mac, but if the Giants are going to make any noise in the playoffs (or get in), they have to take care of their own shit and not worry about what the other teams are doing. As I said earlier…time to Put Up or SHUT UP. No more of that “wipe that shit off and get ’em tomorrow.” The time is NOW.
At one point during nIners game Berman apologized to STL fans over losing the Rams. Don’t think they care much anymore, except for how owner bled them.
Surprise, he’s doing the same thing in LA getting a new yard where fans can pay exorbitant prices to watch a crummy product.
When cities contribute money towards getting a stadium built, while at the same time their schools have old buildings that are crumbling away, it just looks really bad, because it IS really bad.
Absolutely, Zume. The politicians and all who allow this to happen should all be strung-up.
If the club could get anything going offensively I thought Samardzija pitched decent enough. You may have heard that he played college ball. He sure was athletic rounding 1st on that double in the bottom of the 5th and kept the game within reach. Sanchez’s blast was a cheapy for AT&T. I can’t ever remember a HR to that spot which is probably the shortest part of the yard. Whatever, it counted. 2 games left to take the series.
of course he played college ball, all pitchers who don’t get drafted out of HS play college ball…
Yep. He played WR and pitched for the Irish…
Probably the thing that bugs me most about Kruk: every time a shitty no name pitcher shuts us down he attributes it to “giants hitters not knowing the pitcher.”— no mention of him at all of all the other teams who don’t know the guy either but who smack him around with ease….
I didn’t pay much attention to last night’s game. I tuned to radio and they were down 2-0 to this no-name dude in the 3rd or 4th or whatever, I figured they were up to the usual cratering against unknowns and turned it off; came back after they had lost. I didn’t know this guy was just horrendous. ERA 5+ and a WHIP of 1.7+? The KNBR morning nuts went seriously off on the Giants for being “listless” against a bad pitcher; Kuiper got a little ticked off and was trying to talk ’em off the ledge, but they weren’t having it on the Giants flagship. Interesting. Still, this Giants team does not look like a playoff team. Playoff teams generally tattoo a stiff like Paul Clemens…
Fuck Kruk and that shit. This is the fucking 21st century. They have this technology called “video.” The hitters can watch video of pitchers’ past performance. And WTF…don’t the Giants have scouts out and about checking out the other teams? That excuse doesn’t flush. Wake the fuck up Krukow!
What got me was he wasn’t throwing hard at all–fastball topped out 91, threw a lot of off speed change ups and curves in 70s-80s. By second third time through LU hitters should have figured that’s all he had and wasn’t going to challenge them with strictly average fastball.
Watching last night I thought Clemens looked like death warmed over. Especially after he ran the bases in the 5th. The KNBR guys say he was tossing it between innings. Ho humm another offensive performance by the Giants bats.
Giants bats are so bad, oppo starters will go ahead and pitch though deathly ill…
Time after time, the Giants hitters are all “We’ve never faced this guy before! We can’t understand what he’s doing! He’s putting the baseball into his hand and winding up and throwing the ball towards homeplate. Sometimes the pitch goes straight, and sometimes it curves! He is so unlike any other pitcher we’ve faced in our lifetimes! How can we possibly figure him out the first time we see him?!”
Of course, the Dodgers have been crushing those tomato cans in the second half of the season.
Giants hitters, when the opposing pitcher throws a curveball to them:
Maybe this’ll be the day that Nooner gets a stab at the 1 hole.
Make it so, Bochy! Just once! Please! They got a fucking lefty going tonight so it just might happen. If I see Pagan there, I’m going to puke.
I believe Noonie has had a few games where he lead-off…Pagan has been in the two hole a lot of late. He needs to get dropped in the line-up (or out of the line-up the way he has played of late).
I saw Nunez was a late scratch last night with back tightness, but no doubt he would’ve been slotted in his customary No. 8 spot, never mind that Span is 3-for September and Pagan has all of 5 hits this month, 3 of which came in the 11-run game over the weekend.
KNBR’s Larry Krueger said, about a week or so ago, that Kaepernick’s protests will tear the team apart.
Yeah, they are so torn apart they could only win 28-0.
Krueger doesn’t exactly have his finger on the pulse of the team.
Here it is and why not?
LF – Angel Pagan (S)
2B – Kelby Tomlinson (R)
1B – Buster Posey (R)
RF – Hunter Pence (R)
SS – Brandon Crawford (L)
CF – Gorkys Hernandez (R)
C – Trevor Brown (R)
3B – Ehire Adrianza (S)
P – Albert Suarez (R)
Holy Shit…Boch is mixing it up tonight…
1. Angel Pagan (S) LF
2. Kelby Tomlinson (R) 2B
3. Buster Posey (R) 1B
4. Hunter Pence (R) RF
5. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
6. Gorkys Hernandez (R) CF
7. Trevor Brown (R) C
8. Ehire Adrianza (S) 3B
9. Albert Suarez (R) P
Great minds think alike, Loo…nice timing.
Yours is nicer…
Nicer? If you say so my man! I like this line-up so far…
What happened to Nooner?
From John Shea: Nunez sore back, Belt sick. Both out of lineup. Law to be activated tomorrow.
It seems like Belt gets the flu twice a season. It’s unreal.
Trying to win a playoff spot with Agent OOO in there. Yikes. Maybe he can bloop a hit in there. 🙂
With the Kelbulator, hopes rise. Last night’s game was dull, flat, flat-chested, limp, feckless.
We are sorely missing a dude in the LU who can be a difference maker. I am not seeing many of those, or any of those, in tonight’s LU
no Cody Ross or Pat Burrell or Andres Torres or Juan Uribe. Not even an Eugenio Velez.
Mets about to blow it in Washington…
Familia had been 10 for 10 against Nats. That streak is over.
Extra innings…
Well this seems to be SOP for the Giants lately, they have a breakout game with the bats at the end of a series, and then the very next game the bats go stone cold dead. Don’t know why but that seems to be happening regularly.
FHeadFodgers lose…absolute must win tonight…RALLY FUCKING RALLY…
the most fucked up thing about Oakland, as I see it, is that when you are trying to drive out of downtown and find 880 all of the signs to 880 lead to nowhere. They’re meaningless. Or maybe it’s the city playing a joke on people that don’t live there. It’s taken me 30 fucking minutes each day just to get OUT of the fucking city. Signs that lead you to nowhere. That is a new one. THe only way I found 880 was to ignore the signs and just get lucky by following traffic.
I also saw a scene straight outta Do the Right Thing where a Chinese painter stopped at a crosswalk for a young hood to cross the street and they got in a huge fucking screaming match at each other that was over NOTHING and ended with them both yelling racist things at each other. I sat behind the painter just waiting and shaking my head to myself….
Try interpreting a “No Parking” sign in Manhattan some time…
I also saw a woman TAKING A SHIT on the street as I walked into the Marriott this morning around 7:30am in broad daylight. I looked at her and was just lqtm and she yelled at me to buy her something. I was just like, “WTF is going ON here!”
LA loses…
Yankees win! Theeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees win!
And another sellout crowd of 23,000…
Crawford really has a hell of an arm. He just threw a rocket over there off his heels…..
I mean, I freely admit I do not live in the big city. But I’m also not some clueless prude. I’d like to be able to believe that signs to the freeway actually direct you there. I also don’t think it’s too much to ask that if I’m walking down Broadway I won’t have to watch a woman squat and take a shit right on the sidewalk. Am I way off base here? Is Oakland a normal big city and I’m just a little beatch?
Sounds to me like daily life in China, Craig… You sure you woke up on the US side of the bed this morning? 🙂
yes and no…lots of scenes of desperation. I call it the World Inside vs. the World Outside. Here’s what I mean: downtown I can go to a trendy, comfortable hip coffee shop in a redeveloped building; a sign of promise and hope. Outside on the sidewalk, people wait for the bus or hang out and spit, shout, walk into traffic, argue, smoke, do deals. Two different worlds, rarely mixing. But they do mix.
Get a Garmin then hit the “home” button. Gets you to the freeway every time. I used to have the same problem in Seattle and the GPS fixed it.
I don’t know which Flav post was better, the 7:13 or 7:18, but both are priceless.
thanks. I can look back on the whole thing and lol at it.
This game looks familiar.
Why not Blach instead of Suarez?…
Suarez is what he is.
1st base ump is having a rough night.
Can we score a friggin run or two here?
Come on Pence….
OK, nice two bagger, Hunter!
Is anybody else actually able to hit tonight? Come on, let’s get some more!…
Or not.
Posey has to be one of slowest sumbitches in baseball.
This team couldn’t score in a whorehouse offering freebies to baseball players…
The rally went away quickly.
Take Suarez out now.
This is not looking good…
The second half of this season has opened me up to the much discussed idea of moving Posey to first permanently. Then I would try to get something good for Belt and pick up a solid ball-blocking catcher since that is all they really do anymore…
i’m not allowed to champion that move anymore….
Getting a good return for Belt is a big part of it for me…
Suarez has promise. Or maybe it’s just unfulfilled potential that’s led to bouncing around the league. Posey’s not a big fan of sliding drills eh?
This Giants lineup is piss poor. Let’s get real here. They might win this one somehow, but Bochy is throwing stuff against the wall here to see what happens, after a disastrous game last night. Hernandez, Brown, Adrianza — WTF?. Bochy has 13 guys in the Pen, and he’s letting Suarez hit here, Suarez is as close to an auto out as you can get, and he’s barely hanging on in the last inning. Why not Williamson or Parker to take some cuts and see if they can yank one with a guy on base?…
it’s an unreal LU to send out after last night. But this is who they have. Who else can they play?
Yeah, dj. I agree but what we’ll get is Williamson in LF and some spending on the bullpen which may not be a bad idea.
Think they could get a decent return for Belt?
He could go 30/100 in the right park…
Sure, I think so. Belt is the modern analytics wet dream and he’ll put up numbers in a place like Philly or Cincinnati. Throw in a pallet of Suran Wrap and now you’re talking! All I know is the club needs to get younger.
Finally Suarez gets through a relatively easy inning. How the heck does he go 0-2 to every batter?! No kill pitch.
Yeah Belt could do that.
But what do we get back Loo?Guys that can’t hit in the wrong park?
IMO, Suarez won’t even be on the 40 man next Spring…
He’s just trying to be this year’s Chris Heston or what was that guy, Sadowski? We could name a dozen.
Suarez is at least out there competing which is more than I can say about Cain and Peavy for many of their starts this season.
Well, journeyman > would be DFA’s but for large contracts. Suarez is a dime a dozen, Sabevans will have a young arm or two ready to go next season, and they’ll pick up another scrap heap artist for backup…
Agree Flav. And I disagree, snarkk. I think Suarez sticks and gets a shot at the long-relief/spot-starter role next year. Dude has not exactly embarrassed himself.
If he sticks next Opening Day, Chi, I’ll buy you a brew at the next Flapalooza…
And now the challenge of staying awake while listening to this game on the drive home.
A-keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel…
Golden Earring reference Loo?
No, it’s from Roadhouse Blues (Doors), but I was out of my mind from Radar Love in 1974…
I’m still optimistic about this season, a bit, but I stopped in here to get a sense of the temperature. Not too good, I guess. I have to respond about Oakland. If you’re going to be there again this week, Craig, try heading west to Jefferson, hang a left, go under 880 and hang a left. That’ll take you a few blocks to an on ramp south. Alternatively, you can go west on 12th to 980, hang a left, and that’ll take you right to 880 south. I used to work in a building across the street from the Marriott complex. The Warriors practice facility is on top of that parking garage. An IT guy at the firm knew which player owned which weekday-car Mercedes, Porsche, etc. You probably walked right past some of them this week.
Anyway, in Oakland anything can happen on Broadway at any time. But I currently work in SF, in Jackson Square, and what I see now is worse than Oakland. I walk through downtown SF to and from the bus depot (or, if things are tough, BART, which sucks) and see many depressing and disgusting things on the sidewalks of SOMA or downtown SF.
Pagan HRs!
Here we come!
That shit I was talking about Pa-GONE earlier…I was just kidding.
Angel baby!
If this squad could actually hit a few homers every now and again, things would be quite different…
Crawford smoked that bloop!…
Man, I sure like Specs speed on the bases. So glad to see this kid back, and producing. Takes some of the sting out of losing Duffy in the trade.
He should have been up earlier, Chi. I’d take Specs over 000 without question. The guy has a sense of energy and seems clutch; plus he’s faster n’ hell…
You’re preaching to the choir, Tom…
Salute
You’re going to see weird things in any city so I don’t have a lot of social commentary regarding Oakland. I once saw a very large naked man foaming at the mouth and carrying a broad sword down the middle of the street there though. It was scary as F.
I used to work near Lake Merrit. If you have time for a brew try The Trappist.
Excellent
Never been, but have heard good things. I love a good Belgium-style beer…and it is getting to be the weather for me when I prefer a big beer…
Gorky baby is 2 for 3 tonite.
Why not just keep this dude in CF over Span, until further notice?
Better glove. More energy. Speedier. Not as much pop, but who cares when Span is dragging his usual 1 for 30 ass around…
31 million reasons…
I thought it was only 30? What’s the extra 1 for?…
What’s the 30 for?
Nice…
LMAO. What’s the 30 for? Apparently not a whole hell of a lot.
I wonder if Tomlinson runs well in the mud…
pile on runs [POR]
Trevor Brown looks like he never sleeps…
Can anyone tell me what’s Billy Hayes job, besides holding a shin guard?
After the players leave for home, make sure the post-game spread has nothing left over …
Yeah but I thought that was Panda’s full time job..
Gorky parked one at the Colo game I saw last week. Made a couple nice plays as well. Play him Boch. Or Mac. Or Parker . . .
Yes, that was a nice shot, Charlie. I still have bad memories of how that fucking game ended. And to be sitting with a bunch of Sherpa fans certainly did not help (but they went pretty easy on me).
Wow, Lopez really earning his $215K for that frame — 3 lefties up, 3 down…
Pagan re-discovering a double digit home run stroke after a back injury is a huge surprise…
Yep. Overall I haven’t had a problem with his production at the plate (what, 11 HRs now and almost 50 RBIs), but man, he has really taken some bad lines on balls hit to him, especially recently.
OK, let’s see if Specs can get Agent 000 in from third with 2 down. Pagan crapped out with the tapper to the pitcher with one out — when’s the last time SF had a sac fly…
We used to live in Oakland in the late ’80s, early 90s.
We left after I saw a punk carrying a 9 mm climb up on my neighbor’s roof to hide it in the rain gutter after a shooting in the nearby park. Oh, and that was after 2 people got murdered on a Sunday night robbery at the Cantina restaurant on Park Blvd., a place we used to walk to and go to all the time on weekends…
OK, we’re entering the Giants Pen danger zone. Let’s see if these guys can close this mutha down…
I worked in downtown Oakland for 12 years, moved my residence to Oakland in 2011 after I sold my house in Piedmont. Nice views of the sunset over the bay and GG bridge; great neighborhood. The most dangerous gun owners I’ve met here are rich right-wing lawyers.
I saw things in the parking lot for Day on the Greens at teh Oakland Coliseum that defy description.
$7.00 for Cracker Jacks…
I wonder who started this covering your mouth with the glove thing during mound conferences…
Greg Maddux, I think, after Clark hammered that grand salami off him in the ’89 playoffs, and he saw Maddux tell the catcher what he was going to throw…
Bingo. Maddux said ‘fastball up’ and Clark parked it.
I did not know that!
George has given up a bunch of seeing-eye grounders. Let’s hope there isn’t one more.
Last night I went to the 49er game with my daughter.
2 Shock Tops Beers
2 Italian Sausages with peppers
1 bottle water? Why she neede that I don’t know..
$47.OO
49er win Priceless
How ’bout the tickets?
How ’bout a quarterback?…
Gork corks one!