Finally A Series to Watch

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 28, 2017

Kruk said we are 6-4 against the Art Dealer’s this year? Could that be? Win or lose tonight, these are the types of series that are the only interesting ones left on the schedule. So even if we get blown out 10-0 tonight, at least we get to see the colors of orange, black and blue jostling back and forth on the screen. In a lost season, I’ll take that.

I didn’t fact check MrSprtdude’s claim at the end of the last thread, but is it possible that every hitter we have except Nunie has a lower batting average than they had in 2016? If true, that’s incredible.

fact check: That claim isn’t true. Buster, for instance, is hitting 40 points higher than he did last year. I’m not checking anymore.

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willedav said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:54 am

Nunez BA is up but OPS almost exactly the same .744 to .752. 0 triples all year dunno how that is.
Span has raised OPS from .712 to .789 with increased slugging.
Posey has too from .796 to .911, both OB and slugging up 50 points ish.

Still, the others Pence Craw Belt off 60 points or more.

Interesting pitching match ups without Opie or Bum.
alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:55 am

How could that be? Posey’s at top 10 hitter..
- Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:57 am
  
  yes, good point. Posey’s BA is significantly higher. Mr. Sprtsdude was drunk-posting last night.
dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:08 am

What happened to Posey’s adjustment at the plate to get more power?
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:15 am
  
  Re-adjusted?…
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:17 am

Melancon in yesterday’s thread. Where is the dude? Is he scheduled for a rehab anytime soon?
This has all the Giants markings of him coming back after a rehab and getting hurt again, and then he ends up having TJ surgery or some such. So he’s out half of next season because they waited. I hope not, but that’s what this smells like to me…
- Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:24 am
  
  the Giants continue to have no idea what to do with players who are hurting. They listening to what the player says more than what the doctor must be saying. Otherwise, these guys would be getting over there injuries and getting back on track. Melancon, Pence, Cueto….it’s always the same shit where they try to play through stuff and then never get it right.
  Melancon is long tossing these days…..
- willedav said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:39 am
  
  Melancon CAN pitch through it, and always could. The issue is the day after he throws, pain is there and isn’t mitigated.
  I think the goal is to get him right going forward. I also think he could be dealt off if he is OK but you can’t do anything until he reaches that point. Bringing him back now to save ballgames, with Giants record, doesn’t seem very smart. I’m OK with letting this play out and not blaming Giants who couldn’t have seen it coming or medicos for any of it.
  - Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:02 am
    
    I wouldn’t call what he was doing “pitching thru it”. Kruk, among others, have said he’s not finishing his pitches. And the results speak for themselves. He was “Casilla-esqu this year. Dyson been much better
  - djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:37 am
    
    Dyson’s revival only reinforces their scrap heap approach to acquiring players…
  - snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 2:03 pm
    
    The only blame is if this happened:
    1. He was hurt before he signed and the SF medicos missed it; or
    2. Surgery is a distinct possibility now, but they put it off until the last available moment, due to his or team decision. And, result of wait is lost service time into next year.
    
    They knew about The gravel in Cains elbow for a long time. Yet, due to team fear or whatever, or Cain refusal, he had the clean out AFTER they signed him to the disastrous deal. And, in middle of the season, no less. He was never the same after that surgery. Obviously for the team, they should have had the clean out done before signing the long term deal…
xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 10:36 am

I remember a couple of games early in the season where Melancon’s control seemed preternaturally good; then, suddenly, it wasn’t.
xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 11:48 am

Beede out for remainder of season with a groin injury. No word on whether it was work related
- alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2017 at 12:59 pm
  
  Can’t he pitch thru it?
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:01 pm

The Dodgers hitters are killing mediocre and bad pitching right now. The Giants pitchers better all bring their A-games, even though some of the Giants pitchers don’t have A-games.
- unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm
  
  That has been the Dodgers MO through all their recent playoff runs. they kill the shitty teams and fold in the playoffs.
Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:12 pm

#SFGiants are in a deadline box. They're shopping Denard Span, but no market for him. He has 5 SB and a minus-18 Defensive Runs Saved in CF.

— Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) July 28, 2017
- djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:04 pm
  
  I know he’s not a good OF, but I wouldn’t go by some crazy stat that I don’t understand and I doubt your average non-geek does…
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:39 pm

Ouch.
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:51 pm
  
  His defense in CF is horrific. I could make it to third form first on his arm, it’s so bad. They should pay as much of his Contract as it takes to dump him. If he’s in the 25 next season, that is a bad thing, period. He’s the shining example of what happens when the minor’s cupboard is bare of outfielders…
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:50 pm

What about Smarj and Strickland?
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 2:08 pm
  
  Strick goes if he PO’d Boch enough on that stupid, selfish Harper incident. And, he may very well have done …
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 1:50 pm

Are the Cubbies fishing for the shark?
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 2:28 pm
  
  Hopefully the chum is worthwhile…
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 2:32 pm

Yeah, beyond the dumb fight, Morse is still out on his concussion protocol. Not that Morse is going to help the team, but he’s is pretty fucked up from banging in to Samarj.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 2:33 pm

Yeah, I never thought I’d miss Pagan and Blanco so much.
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 2:59 pm

Outside of an unconscious 2010 postseason, Matt Cain has had a very mediocre career. Even before going 19-38 since 2012 (11-28 since 2013), he was at best a solid 2nd or 3rd starter/innings eater. I’m tired of the poor run support excuse. I don’t think LA scored much for Koufax, Drysdale and Osteen or the Cards for Gibson…
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:01 pm

Fun fact:
For reasons I can’t fathom, Gary Lavelle started 3 games for the Giants in September of 1981.
The remainder of his 742 appearances were in relief…
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:59 pm
  
  God’s will?…
Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:06 pm

nice to see Pence focused up on the game tonight.

Got a sharpie and a few hats and jerseys. Autograph scavenger hunt in San Fran? Hmmmm…. 🤔

— Hunter Pence (@hunterpence) July 28, 2017
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:10 pm
  
  The guy is a mess, his baseball skills are AWOL. I think that wifey of his has turned him inside out and upside down. He’s tweeting and videoing and jacking around making oiled french press coffee — it’s all meaningless fluff. Meanwhile, only 6 jacks in 307 ABs so far, and of the 16 NL right fielders with 200+ ABs, he’s 15th in OPS at .634…
Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:08 pm

Donger just got called back up
- djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:29 pm
  - Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:47 pm
    
    batting 6th. Kinda feels like a “Donger Friday” doesn’t it? Bomb time.
  - dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 28, 2017 at 3:59 pm
    
    This is awesome, dj.
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 5:52 pm
  
  Is there a plan for Donger? Has there ever been one? Or did they just want some Kimchee on the post game spread? I see no rhyme nor reason as to his presence in this organization and the way he’s been handled…
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 4:42 pm

Nunie gets the start for the Red Sox tonight. The magic of trades: he’s now on a strong playoff contender.
wilcojoe said, on July 28, 2017 at 5:47 pm

Belt scratched due to a sore wrist. You can cross him off the “sellers” list.
- Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:16 pm
  
  you could have crossed him off the list because of no buyers.
  - wilcojoe said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:41 pm
    
    True
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 5:49 pm

I wonder what the top secret internal player evaluation summaries look like, if there are such things on Sabes hard drive. Not visible to Evans.
Gorkys:
Good dude, good clubhouse guy, he’s here only because we fucked up for 20 years with no system OFers. Trade value: a bag o balls.
Melancon: keereist, we’re eating a shit sandwich on this one. Trade value: waiting on the latest MRI.

Add your own…
Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:15 pm

Kurt Suzuki just hit his 11th bomb of the year. That would be tied for second on our team. A 33 year old non descript catcher.
willedav said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:18 pm

Melancon pitched 3 times within a week late June before the DL stint and was fine.
He faced 11 batters got 9 of them out allowing 1 hit 1 BB 0 runs.
So obviously, he was good enough to get ML hitters out right before the pain returned that is causing him to miss time…if he can recover and be pain free he can be an asset to the pen or marketable.
Quite unlike Casilla, as the A’s have found out.
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:30 pm
  
  How was he before that stint?…
- Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:54 pm
  
  Melancon wasn’t giving 60 mil to be “good enough to get ML hitters out”. He was paid to be a lock down closer. He WAS a lock down closer for two full seasons before this nightmare. It’s ASTOUNDING that he fell so far off the map so quickly. Fucking nearly immediately.
  - willedav said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:09 pm
    
    getting hitters out is what his job is as a lockdown closer, and it’s exactly what he did to 9 of last 11 hitters he faced over his last 3 appearances. dunno what else you expect him to do but he did fine before going on the DL. He could still pitch and get people out, it’s not a question.
    . Long way from falling off the map like Casilla did giving up multiple bombs in Toronto.
    We disagree on whether this guy is done/how far he’s fallen so I won’t say anymore.
  - Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:20 pm
    
    9 of his last 11 hitters? ok we are done here. The season is 6 fucking months long.
willedav said, on July 28, 2017 at 6:58 pm

I think the Giants, like all ML teams, scrutinize their pitchers intensely. SPs have off day schedules and I bet they are monitored and reported on to the mgr. on daily basis by pitching coach/pen coach/ and pen C.
This is not left to chance given the money invested. And I’m sure there are reg updates on which pen guys are available and how many pitches or innings they are capable of on a daily basis.

as for med staff there is no way all these multi million dollar arms are being left to interns fresh out of golds gym.
This is likely the reason so many guys go on the DL or on rehab starts etc in the first place because trained med staff and mgmt. deem it the best possible solution.

And as the book I read by J Passan points out, there is no team in baseball that has a good idea how to prevent (or in some cases treat) the rash of injuries that occur to ml and minor league pitchers.
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:15 pm

IMO if/when Melancon is back, he’s the 8th inning guy. Dyson looks like the closer…
Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm

Melancon is the closer if he comes back and he’s healthy. Dyson could be a found 8th inning guy. Moore is Less right now……
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:34 pm
  
  Dyson looks more like the closer to me than Melancon did, even when Melancon didn’t have the arm issues — at least we didn’t know he had them. Dyson is more dominant, has better stuff. Apparently Rags has rid him of most of his head case problems. The guy has nasty sinkers…
  - Flavor said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:37 pm
    
    Dyson isn’t someone you’d wanna put your money on unless it’s a lost season like this is. In a real season there’s no way I’d bet on him. But no pressure is a strong influence. It ruined Casilla. Dyson is fine right now, we have no one else and if he fucks up it really doesn’t matter.
  - snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:42 pm
    
    He’s been nails in the past for Rangers.
    Change of scenery can do wonders for the gray matter…
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:43 pm

I’d take a flyer and trade Panik for prospects. Or even just one top AA prospect OFer.
This Gomez kid looks like a comer. And, I mean Gomez…
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:44 pm

Can’t blame Melancon for taking what the Giants were stupid enough to give him…
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:47 pm

Dodger organist playing “Norwegian Wood”.
I wonder how many in the crowd get it…
- zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:53 pm
  
  No one under the age of 50.
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:04 pm
  
  In my top 3 Beatles songs.
  Let it Be is another.
  Not sure of the last one…
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 7:58 pm

So we’re trying to win with Gorkys, Hundley, and the Donger in the lineup.
That’s…..something.
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:09 pm

Sad to say, snarkkmutt the avatar dog, is slowing down.
At 10 1/2, he’s having more trouble negotiating stairs.
Looks like some arthritis in the hips. He’ll still get after the squirrels a little, but, not for too long.
He’s got benign fat tumors on his body.
He gets winded pretty quickly.
Still, he’ll gladly eat as much as you put in front of him…
- zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:13 pm
  
  Pets are family, definitely.
  - djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:15 pm
    
    Yes, and a lot less annoying…
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:20 pm
  
  He’s always glad to see me. There’s value in that…
  - djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:25 pm
    
    I hope he can hang in there for you, Snarkk…
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:35 pm
  
  Thanks, dudes.
  I was getting a little down, he’s been challenged lately.
  I’m hoping for a little rebound. Like the Giants…
xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:21 pm

Hundley disappoints consistently
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:22 pm

Hundley really sucks.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:28 pm

There’s hope for a few more good years, Snarkk. Jozie made it to almost 15. She had a few scares where she slowed way down, but came back pretty strong for a couple more years. Same thing. Arthritis and tumors all over her.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:28 pm

Jesus. Hwang has good instincts at least . Moore is glerming things up again.
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:30 pm

A gift run to the Dodgers because the Dodgers’ offense needs gift runs.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:31 pm

Jebus.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:33 pm

Still think it was funny that the crowd was still cheering the score for 30 seconds after the bunt went foul.
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:36 pm

Moore seems to have a penchant for self destruction.
Calling Dr. Melfi…
gianthead said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:37 pm

When Melancon comes back next year, he is the closer. Why? 20 million reasons…they cant trade him if he is a $20 mill set up guy..
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:38 pm

Span just blows dick. Hairy fucking horse dick.
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:48 pm
  
  Hairy Horsefluffer?…
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:50 pm

The Giants don’t have a single impact hitter. Someone that strikes fear into a pitcher.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:53 pm

Hwang dang doodle?
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:54 pm

Hwang dang single and RBI ! …
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:55 pm

Yes!!
xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:57 pm

Hundley occasionally hits doubles. Thank the lard
- xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 8:58 pm
  
  Nice base running from hwang
Pasalon said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:00 pm

Suck it, Joc!
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:01 pm

Ha! The bottom of the getting crazy.
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:01 pm

Gorkys with the booming double and RBI ? WTF?
Bochy’s going to want to lock him up with a 3-year deal…
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:02 pm

Not sure why Moore wasn’t pinch-hit for.
- snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:04 pm
  
  Bochy is lately into letting starters get into trouble, then letting Kontos kome in to give up the inherited runners…
- zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:04 pm
  
  Oh, Moore’s only at 85 pitches. That does make it a tougher call.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:05 pm

Uh get the pen going. Mr. Walker is about to . . .
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:06 pm

Moore’s lack of control is insanity-inducing.
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:08 pm

Gorks is sewing up his starting job in the 2018 outfield…
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:08 pm

It’s like watching Jonathan Sanchez pitch.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:09 pm

Christ I’d pull him now.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:10 pm

Or NOW.
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:11 pm

Bochy loves him some Kontos.
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:13 pm

A Flapper said it well. Kontos has no out pitch.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:19 pm

Like fucking clockwork
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:20 pm

Snarkk called the scenario exactly. Kontos’ work for the night is done.
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:22 pm

2 seasons of watching a crap bullpen seems like a really long time.
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:22 pm

Oshit!
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:23 pm

HP ump screwed him. He had him struck out……
xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:23 pm

Bullpen blues
I listened to Jason Isbell’s southeastern again. Nice clever rhymes with multisyllabic drug names, but very light compared to say Steve Earle
- gianthead said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:42 pm
  
  Still think it is pure gold…the two records after including the new one don’t reach the grandness if southeastern…
- gianthead said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:45 pm
  
  Southeastern is pure gold…
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:25 pm

Good God. This pen is absolutely dog balls. Is there anyone that isn’t pure unadulterated shit?

Where’s that fucking lefty reliever?
unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:27 pm

Jeeeeeeeebus! This’ll be a 5 pitch inning.
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:27 pm

That looked like a routine fly ball to me off the bat.
Everything is a home run now…
xoot said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:30 pm

when your bullpen sucks balls you’ll really pay some dues
when your bullpen sucks balls you’ll really pay some dues
please rip up my contract, I’ve got the bullpen blues
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:31 pm

We got a miracle inning from the bottom of our batting order and we’re still going to lose.
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:33 pm

The Dodgers have a real MLB bullpen.
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:38 pm

Dodgers’ back-up catcher has a .400 OBP.
gianthead said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:40 pm

Drifted off…why again does Bochy keep Moore to start the 7th???
- zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:43 pm
  
  Because he had the awesome Kontos ready to come in to save the day if Moore got in trouble, because Kontos is just that awesome.
  - gianthead said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:50 pm
    
    All year of this mess
zumiee said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:50 pm

Melania probably wishes she could, too.
“Anthony Scaramucci and his wife are reportedly calling it quits. The White House communication director’s wife has filed for divorce just days after Scaramucci took on his new role in President Trump’s administration, according to the New York Post.”
Macdog said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:56 pm

Missed the bottom of the 7th, but I see the Kont-Oshit combo struck again.
djloo27 said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:57 pm
snarkk said, on July 28, 2017 at 9:59 pm

If I can predict exactly what is going to happen with bringing Moore back after he had an obviously difficult inning, with Kontos warming up ready to let runners in, and it goes down exactly as I predicted, then WTF is Bochy doing? There was no earthly reason why he had to bring Moore back in with a 4-2 lead; no reason he could not have pinch hit for him to try to pad the lead. He’s a manager with 20+ seasons of experience, and 20 seasons of ball as a player before that. That is why I scratch my head that Bochy basically is skating through this putrid season without catching barely any fault for it. He’s managing like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day…
- Macdog said, on July 28, 2017 at 10:03 pm
  
  Plus the ‘pen was somewhat fresh after an off day yesterday.