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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 10, 2018

If you had told me that Derek Holland was not going to be the problem this year…..

Four games we have scored one run. Two games we have scored zero. I’m renaming the team “The San Francisco Binary’s” until further notice.

I’m tired of hearing about all of the good pitching the Giants have been facing. This is the big leagues. There are stud pitchers everywhere. Remember that guy who shut us down on opening day? Gonzales? He got blasted by the Royals yesterday. Two innings, 8 hits, 4 runs, showers.

I don’t mind strikeouts if they come with home runs. Belt, Longo and McCutchen have 33k’s between them and 3 home runs. That isn’t going to cut it.

The good news is that I’m still a lot more concerned about Holland being a problem a problem this year. The hitting should come….

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  1. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:24 am

    Giants team ERA is 2.86. Couple SPs have WHIP under 1.00, Stratton twice left game with couple runners on and pen Oshit and Gearrin allowed them all to score so his ERA is a little high. Strick and Watson have been very good, Moronta too.
    Pitching and holding down other team I thought going in was bigger issue than O. Close Ls hurt to watch, but so far looks like competitive team in bigger picture. Short 1 OF tho…hope someone in Sac makes enough noise to reclaim a spot.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:33 am

      hey, once again Pence is your bvp guy to watch tonight. He’s crushed 4 bombs off of Corbin who projects to strikeout roughly 129 Binary’s tonight….

      • willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:57 am

        mmm what Pence has done in the past/what he is capable of now look like 2 different things. He swings at dangdest pitches. Hard contact seems like a dream. Even his hits have been mostly bloops or dribblers.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:08 am

        I know. I’m mostly kidding by posting his bvp stats

  2. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:33 am

    I’m sure that when the hittting comes around the pitching will scuffle. I dont know. I guess they really miss Bummie’s bat in the lineup.

  3. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:58 am

    We are in the scenario I keep talking about. When you lose a bunch of 3-1, and 2-0 games (or even win a few) but win a couple 8-2 games, the problem isn’t the pitching. It is the hitting. The numbers look ok hitting-wise but they aren’t getting it done. Plain and simple.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:08 am

      Chuck why r u on pain meds

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:28 am

      I fucked up my back over the weekend. I have a couple of compression fractures in my lower spine from years ago that give me problems sometimes. So it’s whiskey, beer, and Cyclobenzaprine when it gets bad.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:32 am

        hope you get past it soon although that sounds more like a lifelong management thing, eh?

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:05 am

        Yeah. I have stretches where it doesn’t bother me for weeks, but sneeze wrong, sleep wrong, and it’s real painful for 2-4 weeks sometimes. I go to a chiropractor once a month to manage it.

  4. James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:25 am

    Still overall, the team has hit 10 HRs in 9 games, which projects to 180. I’d take that number for the year from this roster. OTOH, the hyper aggressive approach the team has taken so far has them at 17 walks drawn, which is dead last. Its killed their OBP, which is also 15th despite a batting average that’s 5th. They are last in runs scored, with a team OPS that’s 13th. It’s only nine games, so of course none of this means too much yet. But if you’re looking for early numbers/league rankings that, if carried over for the entire year correlate to low run production, OBP is the biggest concern so far. Ks tell you very little about how much a team scores. SF struck out the second fewest times in the NL last year.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:32 am

      agreed, the low walk total is a big problem, too.

    • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:38 am

      Belt certainly can’t be accused of not trying to draw walks :;

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:42 am

        well, he’s way off his pace. And if the Giants are going to increase their bb total it has to start with him. I know that sounds like I’m talking out of two sides of my mouth but I do think Belt taking walks is important, it’s why I think he should be our lead off hitter. But he also needs to swing the bat more. See, I did it again, didn’t I?

  5. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:29 am

    K’s to home runs do.

  6. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:45 am

    James, we can go over this over and over till the cows come home. ‘Overall’ doesn’t mean anything. Overall, Gorkys is leading the team in OPS at 1.222. Blanco is 2nd in BA at .357. Big deal. They have 2 RBIs between them. Say they score 35 runs today and then lose 10 games 1-0. Overall that’s great. The stats would say we are hitting. But it doesn’t take into account situational hitting, moving runners, doing the small things to score. The stats would look fine but they would be 1-10.

    Laugh at that as you will, but this is currently what is happening. Sure, we’ve won a couple close games, but we aren’t scoring runs. In 6 of 9 games, we’ve scored one run or less. Last year we had the problem of when the hitting came around, the pitching faltered. When we pitched well, the hitting went south. We aren’t quite there yet, and it is early, but this is a little too much like last year for my liking. Speaking of averages, is scoring 2.6 runs a game enough to win in the bigs? No.

    Do you think the early problem is the pitching?

    • djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:48 am

      I can honestly say I’ve never seen a cow in person, let alone at my home…

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 4:19 pm

        Loo, you haven’t lived…

  7. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:54 am

    Kuiper on KNBR this morning was jonesing for Bum and Smardzxx return? IDK why. Pitching hasn’t been the problem. The hitting can’t stay this bad. But it can stay not good enough, which looks distinctly possible. Just not a very athletic team. So far, Longo has me longoing for Mcgeehee or whatever that dudes name was…

  8. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:04 am

    Ryan Garko

  9. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:15 am

    Right now, every spot in the order after Posey is a disaster. If that continues, this team isn’t going to do shit this year. And don’t get me started on that ungodly RISP batting average. Utterly pathetic for a major league team. We’re still trotting guys like Blanco and Pence out there 3 years after they did anything significant. Pence just looks finished to me at the plate. 35 years old in a couple of days and he looks every bit of it. Do they just keep running him out there because they owe him a lot of money? He, Craw and Longo are swinging at everything they see (Belt too, for that matter. What a POS game he had last night) and not even putting the ball in play to put pressure on the defense. With all that, the game was there to be won last night.

    I’m afraid I just don’t get it.

  10. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:17 am

    They need to string 4-5 games in a row where they score 4 or more runs, just to start building some momentum.

  11. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:21 am

    Agree LJ, Its not the pitching they can’t string hits together if their lives depended on it. Same old shit making some ordinary pitcher look like Cy Young..

  12. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:27 am

    Approx 35k crowd last night has to have Baer a little worried. If this squad goes south again, it ain’t going to be pretty at the turnstiles. Gotta hope they keep heads above water in April…

  13. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:30 am

    Giants are 3.5 games back after 9 games, with a 4-5, .444 winning percentage. In my mind, they are doing well considering the schedule.

    However, it can easily turn into a shit storm. Extrapolate games behind (3.5) to the end of April schedule, they can easily be 10 plus games out. Last season, the Giants’ record of 9-17 (.346) was their worst mark for April since they went 7-16 (.304) in 1984.

  14. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:46 am

    Famous last words . . . Pence said this on April 30th, 2017:

    “It’s not a big secret. We’ve got to score more runs and we’ve got to keep working to do that,” right fielder Hunter Pence said. “Got to get better. I’ve got to get a lot better.”

    What James, Unca, Willie, snarkk and LJ said are all pertinent, as well as the opening thread by Flav. Worrisome sign posts apparent everywhere. Obviously, we’ve been very fortunate in a few games, e.g., 2 games we stole via Panik and Cutch’s winning bomb the other day. Being fortunate or lucky is cool, but over a 162 game season, talent always wins out.

  15. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:54 am

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:19 am

      LOL

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:26 am

      There used to be all kinds of cool giveaways in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. What kid didn’t relish the idea of getting a bat simply for walking through the gates, or a batting helmet.

  16. mrsprtdude's avatar mrsprtdude said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:06 am

    I predicted Pence would make a mini comeback. Seems silly now. If a rookie came up and swung the way he does he would be sent back down. The swing I see now will produce zero homers. Does anyone of you see him making hard contact with any pitch yet this season? I haven’t. My brain tells me even if he made solid contact no way a ball coming off his bat could make it to the warning track, let alone over the fence….
    I hope I’m wrong but he looks done. GRR

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:23 am

      I guess there never was a lot of lower body in his swing, but he used to have such amazing upper body strength and wrist strength, that he could still be a power hitter. Somehow it all used to work, but he’s so out of whack now. He’s still a strong physical guy for his age, but just doesn’t look like a major league hitter anymore.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:30 am

      Nah, his timing is completely off. Just like Longo, he’s lunging at bad pitches, pitcher’s pitches. He looks terrible.

  17. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:17 am

    They need to bring Duggar up. Now. Regardless of how much he scuffles, I’d MUCH rather see Duggie getting his feet wet than watch Blanco fake that goddamn bunt every AB.

    Pence is the accidental hitter now. Belt I’m sure will come around somewhat. Longo? I’m holding my breath with him. He should come around, but as of now we have a lineup of nothing but holes after Posey, Panik, and Cutch (a little).

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:29 am

      Longo just looks so bad. Even when he had the two hits, it’s like he runs into them, not like he’s figuring it out and consistently hitting the ball hard. His approach looks all out of whack. Cutch hasn’t had a great game since Saturday, but he’s squaring up a lot of pitches. Longoria is lunging.

  18. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:24 am

    I have to admit, though, Godley has a nasty, nasty curveball. The problem was something Willie mentioned last night, the Giants just couldn’t lay off it and most of the K’s were on balls out of the zone.

  19. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:31 am

    I told y’all the story of my mom taking about 14 boys in my 4th grade class (in ’71) to bat day as it usually fell around my birthday. One of the greatest sounds I’ve ever heard was thousands of bats hitting the concrete at the Stick in unison. There was a big crowd that day, but Houston and Toy Cannon Jimmy Wynn came back from a huge deficit to beat the Giants.

  20. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:48 am

    We were very aggressive against Godley, thus the SOs. Not taking anything away from him though, as he has been lights out since the beginning of the season. The Giants were 0 for 4 with RISP. They now have a .125 RISP average (3 for 24), which is the worst in the majors. Holland deserved better last night.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:06 am

      Yeah, too aggressive, all season long so far.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:16 am

        By the by LJ . . . It doesn’t get said enough – but you, along with others here have some very insightful comments. I can’t access the Gate or Mercury pass the 10 some articles they allow monthly w/o a subscription fee. Consequently, I have to wait patiently for FanGraphs, Baseball Reference, and other Giants in-depth analysis . . . or, come here, where I get stuff like you and other Flappers post immediately during the game and afterwards. Tip my hat to Flav for having this place. Also, thank you for what you said about Dennis last night Flav. I actually liked the guy most of the time, but the racist BS was too much. Drinking or drugging is NO excuse either, as it only lifts the fake facade and real feelings and emotions emerge.

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:36 am

        Thanks Blade. I agree about this place. Smart and knowledgeable baseball fans from whom I’ve learned a great deal over the years. Flav is the man. There’s no better Giants blog out there.

        BTW, your current situation is kind of a more modern version of what I went through during my years in the army, in the early 80’s When I was stationed in Germany, my only connection to following the Giants was by waiting for and reading box scores and brief recaps in the Stars & Stripes newspaper, and those were usually about 2 days behind back then. Talk about jonesing for baseball. Not quite the same, but your comment made me think of those times.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:57 am

        With the World Wide Web, it isn’t too bad now, except for the 14 hour time difference. Consequently, I will be on here much less on April 16th when I arrive in Saigon. The games usually start at around breakfast time, so it makes it difficult to watch that or anything else, as I am full throttle into my day. I have the same problem with the stock market, i.e., the market usually opens at around 8:30pm (daylight savings time) or 9:30pm. In short, it’s my beddie time and ALL day trading is out. Usually, the only thing I can do is a swing trade (1-3 week trade) and just hope the DC moron doesn’t screw me up. Dude is a nightmare for the stock market recently, as I have had numerous $5-10k or even worse daily losses since this clown has started trade war/tariff threats. Anywho, the market fundamentals are excellent (at least for the stuff I am holding) and if he doesn’t Tweet, than the technical indicators are positive as well.

  21. theroooster's avatar theroooster said, on April 10, 2018 at 10:57 am

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:09 am

      Two questions. Who’s Chris Creamer, and who’s the blue-haired guy? He looks like Max Headroom.

  22. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:08 am

    I think photo ball day ended the cool giveaways when fans pelted the field with balls after a bad call. Comiskey I think?

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:42 am

      Best giveaway I ever got at the Stick was when Marc Hill popped me in the mouth with a baseball he was tossing into the crowd during BP. We were standing down the right field line and he was flipping balls up to the fans. I wasn’t looking and got a fat lip for my troubles (I got the ball and some autographs too; he was very apologetic). Had to be about 1976 or so.

      Of course, at some point my mom decided I didn’t need that ball any more (or a stack of bout 25 vinyl albums I had. Rock ‘n’ roll is the devil’s work, you know) and tossed it. Not much you can do when you’re living 9,000 miles away.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 12:10 pm

        As I indicated on here before, my mom did that with my comic book, Sports Illustrated, Mad Magazine, etc., collections. All were circa 1960-1970 editions. Just the comic books alone (including the first 100 Spiderman comics) were worth a fortune . . . and I remind her of the enhanced retirement she would have had if she had not tossed them. lulz

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 12:23 pm

        Ouch, those Spidey books. Would’ve been nice to have those.

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 1:50 pm

        Yeah, I lost 3 shoe boxes of baseball cards from ~1968 to 1976 to the momster. She threw away everything that wasn’t nailed down.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:47 am

      Wasn’t that Disco Demolition Night?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night

      The great Bill Veeck!

  23. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:13 am

    I took some nephews and nieces to a real bat day at an A’s game in the mid-1990s.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:16 am

      The A’s were trying so hard to get people there, they really had the best giveaways for a while. Plus, kids could run around the bases after games.

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:44 am

        Yeah, now you damn near get patted down just to get in.

  24. sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:19 am

    I still have one of those green A’s give-away bats at my house—Joe Rudi signature.
    I had a Claudell Washington one too, but that one disappeared over the years.
    I also had a Giants one with Chris Speier’s name on it, which was cool as I also had a Speier glove. My neighbor cracked the bat trying to do a Tito Fuentes-like bat flip with it in the middle of the street. I can picture him right now. Still pisses me off.
    The A’s bats being green was really cool though. Charlie O had some great ideas.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 11:44 am

      Claudell, I remember that guy. Good hitter. Spier was my idol when I was a kid. Mr. Shortstop.

  25. theroooster's avatar theroooster said, on April 10, 2018 at 12:03 pm

    I have an old Louisville Slugger, used to be my Dad’s, from the 40’s or 50’s. Took it up the park with my daughter last summer and was hitting her ground balls with it. Some old guy walked up and was watching us for a while. When we took a break, he asked to check out my bat. He took a look, and said something like, “Nice bat, I’ll give you $60.00 bucks for it.” I just told him, “Nah, then how will I be able to hit my kid grounders”? I have no idea how much the thing is worth.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 12:26 pm

      Maybe not all that much, if it was signed perhaps, but a cool piece of history nonetheless. Check fleabay for pricing.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 2:04 pm

      I have a Dale Murphy bat that may or may not be a game-used bat. It was (still is) cracked. I found it at the Stick with a Giants duffel bag with a pro style (back then) 7-5/8 hat with the grey under-brim in it. 32 oz, 34″. No id on the hat or the bag. This was around 1978. We were waiting around to find someone after a game, and the place was nearly empty when we found it. The hat is long gone, the bag fell apart after using it for 15 years but I still have the bat.

      • sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 2:56 pm

        Love that story. The hat was a Giants hat I assume?

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 4:06 pm

        Yeah.

  26. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    Duggar has started off AAA hitting .188, 3 for 16 1 double 2 BBs 6 Ks. Like the others Slater Mac Shaw I’d give them some time to get more comfortable playing every day. Hopefully one of them gets rolling and either Gorks or Blanco are put on waivers and some PT opens up in LF and CF.

    Duggar (LH remember) has to show he can at least hit and get on base vs. AAA pitching and not K so much before he’d get added to ML club. He’s a speed guy who would benefit the team if he can make contact and get on base. If all he can do is run and catch a baseball, no.

  27. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on April 10, 2018 at 12:33 pm

    with a game to go this is insane……

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 1:07 pm

      mm just me but I think the teams with athletic bigs—Denver Twolves NO—would give them most problems, defending the rim and rebounding. Anything to do with OKC will be a war.

  28. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on April 10, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    The one thing I liked about the A’s was when Charlie Finley had that rabbit with the basket pop up fro underground off to the side of home plate with game balls in it that the ump reloaded from.That was cool 😎 back in the late 60’s early 70’s.

  29. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    I’m looking forward to seeing what we have in Beede. Hopefully he’s got his control issues under, well, control. lol

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 2:12 pm

      I think control issues are only the tip of the iceberg with him. Per Baseball America, Beede’s velocity dipped in 2017, as the plus fastball he previously pitched with became an average to above-average pitch, sitting 91-93 mph and touching 95. Beede mixes in two average secondary offerings in a cutter and curveball and has a below-average changeup, but he doesn’t land them consistently, as you pointed out LJ.

      Couple the aforementioned, with pitching at Arizona (altitude/hitters park) and it doesn’t look good for him. Unfortunately, the schedule and injuries to Madbum and Smarg means he has to pitch, as there are no other options. If he lasts 5 innings and gives up 3 runs, that will be outstanding in my opinion. As it sits now, he doesn’t miss many bats and this potentially can set back his confidence. Mrs. Beede will have to be especially nice to him after (or before?) this start.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 2:35 pm

        Home game tonight. Maybe the ballpark will help him.

  30. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 2:40 pm

    My bad. Thanks Zum.

  31. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    We don’t seem to be doing too good of a job of drafting starting pitchers of late. I thought Beede was supposed to be hot stuff coming out of college. Right now, a couple of Zack Godley-caliber starters sounds pretty good. I really hope David Bell can get the farm turned around, because there’s pretty much a dearth of talent across all the positions.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 3:30 pm

      The Pirates are 8-2 so far without McCutchen. That’s kind of funny.

  32. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    All those baseball cards and comic books are only worth so much now BECAUSE so many moms threw them away. They created the scarcity and the value now.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 3:39 pm

      Kind of ironic, isn’t it. 🙂

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 4:16 pm

      Speaking of cards, Ohtani’s allegedly sold for $6,725 at auction yesterday. His stock is rising.

  33. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    Weirdest thing happened the other day. I was walking up Montgomery St on my way to work (around 8:00 am) )and there a a large mound of baseball cards sitting on the sidewalk. Maybe 250? They were clean and not trashed in any way. Just sitting on the sidewalk in a pile. They looked like 80s-90s from the quick glance I gave them. I had a meeting that I was about to be late for so I figured I’d come back in an hour. When I got back they were all gone.

  34. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Mets are off to a ripping start and up early on the Marlins tonight. I believe they swept the Nats in DC this weekend.

  35. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    “Giants’ Johnny Cueto: Unlikely to start Wednesday
    By RotoWire Staff 6m ago • 1 min read
    UPDATE 6m ago

    Cueto injured his ankle during a workout over the weekend and isn’t expected to pitch Wednesday against the Diamondbacks, Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle reports.
    The team hasn’t determined if Cueto’s injury will require a stint on the disabled list, but more information should be available after he goes through a workout with one of the Giants’ trainers. Regardless of whether or not Cueto lands on the DL, he isn’t expected to make his scheduled start Wednesday. In his place, the Giants will likely send Andrew Suarez to the mound.”

  36. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    The D-Backs manager is serving a one-game suspension tonight for his altercation with Molina.
    Molina is appealing his suspension.

  37. xoot's avatar xoot said, on April 10, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    I saw a note that Beede’s wife won’t be in the park tonight because she’s on set filming some crap in AZ. Good. May her absurd career burgeon and keep her away from China Basin cameras and mics.

    I thought Longoria’s two doubles vs. Kershaw the other day looked good. He then looked pretty weak again last night.

  38. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    Pavlovic:
    “Samardzija felt good during rehab start yesterday, will make one more for San Jose Giants this weekend. Also, there’s nothing new on Melancon. No timetable for him to even play catch.
    4:52 PM – Apr 10, 2018”

    26 people are talking about this

  39. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on April 10, 2018 at 6:22 pm

    Johnny Cueto goes on the 10 day DL
    Steven Okert recalled.. The hits just keep on coming 3 mainstays from the rotation now on the DL🤕

  40. xoot's avatar xoot said, on April 10, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    the beat writers tweets have been wild as they’ve tried to keep up with the pitching staff shuffle today. Baggarly has the day off, though. Pavlovic’s not bad.

  41. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    Beede rapped on the pregame show.
    Yeah. He did.

  42. James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 6:54 pm

    Ok, after Belt’s betrayal last night, a little research was in order. Some of what I found didn’t match my expectations and perceptions. The basic question I asked: “Is Belt better off hacking at the high pitch or laying off?” First, a few prelims.

    In 7 years, Belt has struck out looking 199 times, or about once every 6 games. The chart shows that most of the takes have been on the outside part of the plate:

    http://tinyurl.com/yb9jhj6z

    That really high, outlier pitch? That’s the Jansen fastball he was called out on the other night. Over his career, he’s been called out looking 6 times in the 9th inning or later, so we were really privileged to see it happen on consecutive nights.

    Belt has seen 439 up in the zone pitches w/ 2 strikes on him over his career. Of those, he’s taken 115 up in the zone for a called ball:

    http://tinyurl.com/y8y2k9gb

    He’s been called out on strikes 36 times:

    http://tinyurl.com/y9jcgzyo

    Looking not bad for Brandon’s patient approach so far. Here are some things I didn’t expect. On a 3-2 count:

    12 times ball 4 on a 3-2 count
    http://tinyurl.com/y8wnvbqx

    19 times strike 3 on a 3-2 count
    http://tinyurl.com/y7qymplt

    Although the vast majority of high pitches taken in a two strike count are called balls, when ball four is at stake, the umps favor the pitcher. That is a data point Belt might want to keep in mind.

    Here’s the other surprise for me. Belt is actually pretty good at fouling off high pitches:

    Foul Balls 139
    http://tinyurl.com/y9ohgvp9

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:04 pm

      “when ball four is at stake, the umps favor the pitcher.”
      It’s in the ump’s self-interest to shorten the game, so I wonder about subconscious tendencies in umps. Things that are not even done consciously.

    • xoot's avatar xoot said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:06 pm

      So much depends
      upon

      a Belt at
      bat

      frozen by heat
      on

      the black
      again

      • James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:16 pm

        Except many times it’s not on the black or in the strike zone. One lesson: Belt would love robo umps.

      • James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:19 pm

        But nicely done!

  43. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:01 pm

    Seems whenever the Gyros face an oppo starter just up from AAA or AA for his first ever MLB start, the dude totally flummoxes them.
    Can Beede do that to the Snakes tonite? …

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:27 pm

      No.

    • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:28 pm

      So much for that,

  44. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:22 pm

    wow stop walking guys batting in front of Golds, pls.

  45. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    Yikes. This guy is BP city.

  46. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    I missed the top of the 1st . . . From the comments here and the score, I guess it wasn’t pretty.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:39 pm

      No. Poor command, a couple of mediocre two-strike pitches, 2-run double by Pollock.

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:48 pm

      LJ is spot on. When he misses they aren’t close enough to draw swing and when he throws strikes very hittable.
      Got a gift call on the one K to Avila. Even Kuip said ball was a foot outside.

  47. James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    Belt would like Robo umps everywhere.

  48. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    James jinxed him with that earlier analysis. 🙂

  49. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:39 pm

    5 in a row. That’s impressive even for Belt.

  50. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:44 pm

    Pitchers just aren’t making mistakes to the Giants and the few they do make are fouled off or waved at, or just taken. This is unbelievable. This lineup just looks impotent.

  51. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    Pfffttt . . . Cueto out now. Sheesh. Giants are a fucking MASH unit.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:51 pm

      He hurt his ankle working out? WTF.

  52. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    #38…didn’t that belong to the Moon boy, Minton?

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:53 pm

      And Wilson.

  53. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    DP a respite from the walks.

  54. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    3-2 on the pitcher after 2 balls nowhere near the plate. and he walks him!
    To say he isn’t sharp is gross understatement.

  55. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    It’s just Groundhog Day for poor Longo every game. Rollover grounder to third.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:58 pm

      Known as “doing a Rowand.”

  56. sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    So, right now our rotation consists of Stratton, Blach, Holland, Beede, and Suarez. Unbelievable.

  57. PaulinAsia Banh Bao's avatar PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    Obviously still very early in the season, but…. the Longoria acquisition is making me think of Edgardo Alfonso. It’s quite possible the Giants have been Alfonso’ed…..

  58. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:09 pm

    Dude has no idea where the ball is going.

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:24 pm

      Exactly. He goes from a foot outside to a foot inside. clueless
      AZ probably lucky he’s only hit 1 guy so far.

  59. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    Nice! Confidence booster.

  60. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    Six strikeouts thru 3 innings last night. Seven tonight. Futility, thy name is Giants.

  61. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    74 pitches and he’s recorded 10 outs…at that rate he’d need couple hundred to get through 9.

  62. sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    Great trivia question from the DBacks feed|
    Who was the last Giants rookie starting pitcher to win his major league debut?

    • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:31 pm

      Blach?

      • sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:36 pm

        Nope. Clue #1: White Russian

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:38 pm

        Dr. Zhivago?…

      • sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:44 pm

        Not bad Snarkk. Clue #2: happened in 2009.

  63. Irish Kevin's avatar Irish Kevin said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    Hopefully this is just welcome to the bigs jitters, cause he is all over the place with his pitches. I don’t think he even knows where they are going, Buster is definitely getting a work out tonight

  64. James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    Corbin now with two walks this game. Longoria, Pence, Jackson, and Cutch with one on the season.

  65. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:33 pm

    Beede probably done after just 4 frames; 85 or so pitches.
    Well, a plus, he didn’t really get hammered. Too wild for that.
    5 BBs, one hit batter. Averaging 1 1/4 walks per inning…

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:36 pm

      Nice 2.0 WHIP…

  66. willedav's avatar willedav said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    Suarez cannot be a decent prospect and be anywhere near as not ready for primetime as this guy.
    But he’s dodged enough bullets to keep the game close.

  67. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    Giants need to trot Beede out to the mound one more inning. Four wont cut it. Our bullpen is getting taxed early on. Coupled with the 14 inning game we had recently and the 10 inning game we had the next day, this will eventually wear our bullpen out. If I am Bochy, I delay Moronta one more inning.

  68. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    How many more years on this Longoria deal?…

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:41 pm

      He still has five years and $87 million to go on the six-year extension he signed all the way back in 2012.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:44 pm

      Four more years after this one.

      • sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:46 pm

        Thankfully, Arroyo is in the minors. Could you imagine if he was raking in the bigs right now?

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:45 pm

      Arroyo hitting .211 with an OPS of .549 and 0 HRs in 5 games so far with the AAA Durham Bulls…

  69. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    Panik and Posey our offense. Everyone else barely has a pulse.

  70. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    How is that not an error on Descalso?

    • James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:42 pm

      It was two out thunder.

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:48 pm

        Pretty generous scoring, not that I mind Posey getting the hit.

  71. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    Seriously, the Giants replace 3 of 8 starting positions from last season, they still can’t hit…

  72. sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    Alright, alright, maybe it wasnt such a great trivia question. Last Giant pitcher to win his major league debut.
    CLues are White Russian, 2009, and Jeff Bridges.
    Anybody got anything?

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:52 pm

      Ryan Sadowski. They said it on the Giants broadcast.

      • sandog's avatar sandog said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:53 pm

        Yes. The Big Sadowski! I heard it on the Dbax feed.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:57 pm

        He was 2-4 that season, and that was it for him in the bigs.

      • James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 9:03 pm

        Sounds a little more Polish than Russian to me. He was no Ray Sadecki.

  73. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:51 pm

    The mustache farm commercial is never not disturbing.

    • James's avatar James said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:57 pm

      It manages to be unpleasant, unfunny, memorable, and ineffective all at once. What is the product?

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:58 pm

        Great question. I have no idea.

  74. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    Oooohhhhh. Fuck More pills. More pain. More suckage at the plate.

    When Kruk said 2 out thunder with the fucking base hit i nearly puked.

    Fuck. We have what, 22 K’s in the last 2 games?

  75. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on April 10, 2018 at 8:54 pm

    Wow.


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