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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 2, 2018

It was all Dubs at my house last night so I didn’t catch a ton of the game or any new info on Cueto’s elbow. That is obviously of much greater concern than a May loss to the Padres.

I think we all know where this is going. Either he needs TJ surgery or he’s going to try to gingerly pitch through something and neither of those scenarios are gonna work.

It’s really amazing how all the guys who keep getting hurt are the guys critical to our success. Gorkey’s, Jackson, Hundley, etc…those guys walk around without a scratch on them….

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  1. willedav said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:21 am

    Hosmer and Ross so far look like good signings by Pads, F Galvis too. He is an FA after this year btw.
    Cutch hit ball hard most of the night and got Giants first run on board.
    Suarez looks like keeper esp as rotation continues to take hits.

    Beede got hammered in last start, 8 runs 5 earned 3 bombs including first couple guys he faced.
    Shaw is hitting .240 tho Duggar is up to .298 and has couple bombs.

  2. willedav said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:00 am

    Getaway day before first real big Eastern swing. Really interested to see if pitching holds up. And if Giants can win series vs. freaking Pads.

    I like Alvin Gentry a lot and he has his team playing hard. He got good scoring balance out of starting 5 and they finished tough. Kerr is doing great job too with his rotation and got most out of Curry Igs and Looney. good series and no 2 games will be alike.

    • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:30 am

      Gentry is an excellent coach. With Curry’s return, however, the Pels have a tough time competing in the depth department, not to mention they don’t have three frontline scorers, thought Jrue Holliday is pretty damn tough,

  3. James said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:03 am

    Older roster = natural decline in skills + more injuries. A familiar formula.

    • Flavor said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:04 am

      Good call

    • willedav said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:19 am

      sure but look at guys in there now with opportunities—Hanson Slater Suarez Specs. And Williamson (hopefully back soon) gets hurt every year.

      James what do you think about importance of leadoff? Harper, installed there yesterday (39 ml leading walks 8 intentional) said, “You lead off one time in a game, and every other at bat it doesn’t really matter.”
      Giants used to do it with Bobby Bonds even if he struck out 175 times. Thoughts?

      • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:26 am

        I’ve thought about this in the past and the leadoff hitter does (usually) only lead off the one time a game, but I think it’s the order in which your best hitters bat that’s the idea, regardless of whether or not the leadoff guy actually starts an inning. the 2-3-4, etc, guys are always going to follow, so his ability to set the table is always important in that context.

    • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:29 am

      For a sec there I thought you said “old rooster” and I don’t think that guy’s that old. Or maybe he is. Being a Dudger fan naturally ages people.

  4. Irish Kevin said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:25 am

    I said 2 years ago Strickland would never be the Giants closer, and yet they continue to trot him out there!! Stupid!

    • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:28 am

      He’s been pretty effective so far and last night was not a save situation. But I don’t think too many here are enthralled about him being the regular closer, it’s just how things worked out with injuries.

      • blade3colorado said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:40 am

        Agree LJ . . . In fairness to Strickland, he caught Hosmer at a really bad time (ask SanDog who would know). In his last seven games, Hosmer has posted a .409/.581/.545 batting line with nine hits and the bomb off of Strickland. Hosmer is seeing the ball really well – quite reminiscent of Belt. In 22 at bats, he has walked nine times while only striking out four times. Since being inserted to the 2 spot, Hosmer is working deep counts and hitting pitches in to the gaps for extra base hits. In short, I’m not certain anyone could have gotten him out last night, as he’s been dialed in.

      • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:22 am

        Yeah, he smoked the ball three times last night.

  5. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:41 am

    If I remember correctly Cueto had elbow issues when he was with the Reds and didn’t require so maybe there’s hope. The Giants medicos weren’t involved then though so…

  6. unca_chuck said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:10 am

    Gentry’s a great coach. and a lot of the Warriors offense came from him. You have to wonder how the Pelicans would be doing with Boogie Cousins playing.

    I don’t buy that fully, James. In the case of Pence, and now Crawford, their decline has been precipitous. Mac (under) the knife is 27 and he can’t avoid the DL . . . Panik is 27, Oshit is 29. Shit happens, and in the case of Mac, shit happens every day.

    • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:21 am

      That much better. As with most teams facing the Dubs, they can’t match the firepower.

  7. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:20 am

    Just win another fucking series, especially against dago, please….

  8. Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:29 am

    Mac’s injury this time was a freakish affair, easily preventable if the Giants ever get off their duffs and remove the mounds. Hopefully is won’t be indicative of the rest of his season.

  9. alleykat69 said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:40 am

    Then theirs Boch drawl about Cueto: Weeelll we think he wasn’t right his arm was dangling some,but he wanted the ball so I kept running him out there..

  10. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:41 am

    If already discussed, shoot me. 😉

    Bum cleared to throw (flat ground).

    Fresh Prince to join team tomorrow (originally slated as today).

    If my math is right, Mac is eleigible to come back on the 5th.

  11. Irish Kevin said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:59 am

    Damn the Giants just can’t catch a break with their pitching staff. Hopefully as the season wears on these injuries will become less and less. They really are playing well all things considered.

  12. alleykat69 said, on May 2, 2018 at 10:42 am

    The Giants with their share of old guys with mileage on him are alike like old cars they breakdown a lot, once in awhile you need to get a new smell car and some fresh young players.Overall their hanging in there though with smoke&mirrors..

  13. Flavor said, on May 2, 2018 at 11:10 am

  14. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 11:39 am

    1. Gorkys Hernandez (R) LF
    2. Andrew McCutchen (R) RF
    3. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
    4. Nick Hundley (R) C
    5. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    6. Austin Jackson (R) CF
    7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    8. Kelby Tomlinson (R) 2B
    9. Derek Holland (S) P

  15. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 11:43 am

    Will Smith is back, Slater to Sac.

    • chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 12:23 pm

      The news I shared earlier that Smith would be back tomorrow came from the Giants site. Whatever…glad to have him back. Will be interesting to see how he does after being off for so long.

  16. Flavor said, on May 2, 2018 at 11:49 am

    • zumiee said, on May 2, 2018 at 11:58 am

      Perhaps Baer got the OK from ownership to release Pence if need be.

  17. Flavor said, on May 2, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    He’s done. Nobody flies to visit this dude and gets good news.

    • Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 12:47 pm

      Yep.

  18. alleykat69 said, on May 2, 2018 at 12:27 pm

    Cueto’s no dummy( not trusting are crack medical staff) he’s getting 2nd&3rd opinions on his elbow.Going to see the top dog DrAndrews who goes back to Sandy Koufax days.
    Sure like to have that guys bankroll..

  19. unca_chuck said, on May 2, 2018 at 12:52 pm

    Pop over? Right. Just popping over to see the doc about this malignant tumor in my head.

    John, Mac has been injured in all manner of ways. the mound just being the latest. At least he didn’t sleep on his eye wrong.

  20. alleykat69 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    Chris Brown rimshot🥁

    • chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:39 pm

      Chris “I got a hangnail Brown…LMAO…

  21. alleykat69 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    Giants medical staff equipment 🛠🔪🔧🗡🔩⛏🔨🗜🕯🔦💉⚰️

  22. gianthead said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    I missed the news on Cueto. Any updates?

    I managed to stay awake for the entire Dubs game…but 5 hours sleep later ready for Sharks!!!

    I still have not seen Suarez throw live but looks like his upside is way above Blach and Stratton…

    • gianthead said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:34 pm

      Seeing the link on Dr. Andrews…we and he are f’d. What is Bum’s return schedule?? Maybe we have a silver lining emerging with Suarez…

      • chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:40 pm

        I think potentially next month. He was just cleared to throw…

      • gianthead said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:53 pm

        Cool…thanks Chi

  23. xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    That was a smart defensive play and craw still has a cannon

  24. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    Craw has a cannon, but needs to start hitting. .189 ugh….

    • xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:49 pm

      There you go, Chi!

  25. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    At least McC’s BA is moving in the right direction. Couple days ago he was at .200 and slipping into Mendoza territory. BA is up to .222 now. I have never followed him closely, but a lot of guys say he is historically a slow starter.

  26. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:47 pm

    Come on Craw…time to make it hurt….

  27. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:49 pm

    Craw finally!

  28. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 1:58 pm

    They should have got more than two out of that 1/2 inning. Yes, Mac. Good to see Craw get a hit and drive in a couple of runs.

    • Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:01 pm

      Could have had more in bottom 1st, too.

  29. xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    Any word on radio or TV about Cutchs hbp injury?

  30. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    Fuck! Hundley is on fire! BOOM!

  31. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    Hundley homer!

  32. xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    Helluva cleanup hitter we have today! Wtf. I’ll take it

  33. Flavor said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    Shit Cutch got hit? He’s out? All I can see is boxscore

    • xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:16 pm

      I’m sitting in view box above home (yeah, yet again) and the sound was not good

      • Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:19 pm

        I haven’t heard anything yet from K&K.

      • xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:24 pm

        Cutch went to 1b afterward and got stranded, and he refused to go to the dugout. He essentially ordered specs to bring his glove and hat to him on the field. So he played RF that half, but bochy pulled him after that

  34. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    From Amy G on Cutch: Left elbow contusion, X-rays negative.

  35. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Betts and Encarnacion hit 3 HRs today. That’s three times this week, and it’s only Wednesday.

  36. Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    Hundley is going fucking nuts. Up to .333. We have got to contact that idiot at the McCovey Chronicles. And Craw too, one day after I wrote him of.

  37. Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    GH, I wouldn’t lump Stratton in with Blach. Outside of one start a day after his kid was born, he’s been brilliant. Think of Suarez as his left handed doppelganger, smooth, balanced, throws strikes with command, good breaking pitch, 91-93 mph on the heater. I like both of these guys. Blach is way more erratic to me.

  38. Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    First appearance for the LOOGY, yeah? I’m going old school, following the game via box score.

  39. chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    Fresh Prince gettin’ it done!

  40. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:10 pm

  41. snarkk said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:14 pm

    Cueto, if he goes for a TJ, just more evidence against expensive LT deals with starters. Hope it isn’t that, but sounds bad if Andrews name is in the wind. Hunks why has turne into a hitter after that article ripping him. He’s ripping the ball compared to Posey. Is Posey worn out already?…

    • snarkk said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:14 pm

      Hundley …

      • chipower9 said, on May 2, 2018 at 4:18 pm

        Hundley has been hitting the ball hard all year. Opening day he went 0-fer, but crushed the ball…

  42. zumiee said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    Cueto has been an enigma in his career. He got injured very early in that 2012 playoff series vs. the Giants and was never a factor for the Reds in that series.
    He struggled with KC, but did have a brilliant World Series game vs. the Mets.
    His career with the Giants has been a mixed bag of brilliant, and injuries.
    And maybe all the shimmying isn’t really good for a pitcher’s arm anyway? Just wondering.

  43. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    2nd HR lost to AT&T this series for Belt?

    • xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 6:00 pm

      sorry, I responded below.

  44. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    A series win over the Pads!

    • xoot said, on May 2, 2018 at 4:06 pm

      I don’t think so that was classic LD

  45. alleykat69 said, on May 2, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    Why is this DJ Snelten on the team at all?
    He’s a dork, with a good chance of double TJ surgery candidate with that ridiculous delivery he has.And he couldn’t even finish one lousy inning of mop up duty up 9-3 before Boch had to go get em..

  46. unca_chuck said, on May 2, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    He’s cannon fodder until we get some of these injuries-on-parade guys back.

  47. Irish Kevin said, on May 2, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    Negative on x-ray on McCutchen elbow, good news maybe just a bruise.

  48. zumiee said, on May 2, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    Big road-trip starting!

  49. blade3colorado said, on May 2, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    We’ve won 9 one run games and that’s an amazing stat, when you consider that we’ve won a total of 16 games thus far this season. However, our runs scored difference is negative 14. Only the Padres, Marlins, and Reds are worse in the NL. The Sherpas also have -14, but they’re scoring way more runs than we are (obviously due to playing in Colorado).

    The Giants are certainly making it interesting in the early going a la the first law of the universe: You can never have too much duct tape. However, every .500 team in MLB has a plus runs scored differential . . . except for us and the aforementioned Rockies.

    • Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 6:36 pm

      A couple of 15 run outliers contributing heavily to that. Take those away and things look a lot better.

  50. Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    I just watched the replay and it was great to see Will Smith get back in there. He looked good to me, good velo and breaking ball and finally a Giants pitcher made Hosmer look bad. He was pumped up too. Gives me hope that we won’t have to see Oshit any more this year. Smith will be a nice addition to the pen.

  51. Lurker John said, on May 2, 2018 at 6:37 pm

    Hundley is as locked in as any Giants hitter so far this year. He smoked the ball four times today and easily could’ve had three homers.

  52. djloo27 said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    DeGrom getting MRI on elbow. Met fans shuddering like us with Cueto…

  53. djloo27 said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    “Next man up” has become an overused and annoying cliche that I hear constantly the last year or two…

    • sandog said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:31 pm

      I’m watching a recording of that Met’s game now. (I love their announcers) DeGrom was dominant and then he didn’t come out for the 5th inning. Feels more serious than Cueto, but I could be dead wrong.
      I still have a hard time telling Hernandez and Darling apart. To me, their voices are very similar.

      • djloo27 said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:35 pm

        Their announcers are excellent. He hurt his elbow swinging the bat in the previous inning.
        If he’s done, they’re done. Same could be true for our team…

      • sandog said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:48 pm

        The Jerry Blevins Socks Day commercial is also outstanding IMHO….

  54. Flavor said, on May 2, 2018 at 7:39 pm

  55. blade3colorado said, on May 2, 2018 at 8:58 pm

    In my opinion, it’s the kiss of death for Cueto’s season if he is visiting Andrews. No one (as Flav alluded to) goes to see this dude without expecting the worst case scenario to happen. Panik, Bum, and Melanoma all expected back in 6 weeks, maybe more.

    It’s encouraging that Jackson and Crawford, both of whom really struggled, have looked better. Each had a two-run hit Wednesday. I read where Schulman wrote this:

    “As the Giants move deeper into May, with Bumgarner and Cueto gone, they will need the offense to remain consistent while the remaining pitchers step up their games, all while avoiding the woe-are-we trap when they hit an inevitable skid.”

    and Holland said this:

    “Even the guys who are hurt, make them feel like they’re part of the team. Don’t let them walk around feeling like they’re a ghost,” Holland said after his first Giants win. “We’ve got to keep everybody on a positive mindset. Keep plugging away despite what’s going on.”

    Both are spot on or as Loo said, “next man up.” lulz 🙂

  56. Macdog said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    Ryu also injured tonight. SportsNetLA reporter said it was a left groin strain, although this might be the same woman who made the “2 more games here – 3 if you count the doubleheader” comment.

  57. snarkk said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Next man up = Where the F is that dude, what’s his name, from AAA…

  58. James said, on May 2, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    Some late responses . . . WillieD, several times I’ve posted a link to a now over 10 year old analysis that basically demonstrates through a statistical model that you could pick your line up out of a hat, and over the course of 162 games, a team could expect only a marginal improvement in run production over an “optimal” order (which has your best hitter batting second, your second best at clean up etc. The number 3 position is the least important among the top hitters in the line up.)

    Chuck, I was thinking of Cueto, Melancon, and Smarge (who may still be in spring training!) They’ve had bad luck with younger players and the risk of relying on older pitchers with a lot of games/innings is also looking shaky at the moment. This compounds the decline in performance from the 30+ players, with Belt excepted, at least for now.

    And WillieD again, Stratton, Suarez, and Williamson are all promising, and their potential would have me feeling very hopeful for the rest of 2018, if 2 of the starting pitchers weren’t so questionable. Of course, if all three step up big time, they may still help keep SF afloat, no matter what happens to Cueto and Smarge.


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