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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 18, 2019

After The Yankees snagged Encarnacion they should have become Z’s prime trade target for a blockbuster involving Smith and Bum. Seriously, it makes too much sense. They are loaded with bats but have massive holes in their pitching staff. Shore that up, coast to a World Series title……

Watching LA lose to the worst team in the NL West might be more satisfying than beating them in a September race. LA’s got no heart, man. Never had it, never will. They could add 50 Bellinger’s to the team. Won’t matter. Tin fucking men, every last one of them…..

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  1. gianthead said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:28 am

    36 hours in So Cal and one satisfying Giants victory…let’s take another series and get Bochy to 2000 is the rallying cry.. and get Frazier and Andujar…cant the Yanks use Belt’s glove and left-handed bat???

    • Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:48 am

      there’s no place for Belt. They already had to send Frazier down because of Encarnacion and Stanton and Judge are nearly back. I know they don’t play first base but there’s just no room for Belt and his chippy OPS in that line up of men.

      • gianthead said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:30 am

        Them adding Encarnacion really does not make a lot of baseball sense. Adding a gold glove capable 1b with a starter and reliever makes way more sense. We could take Gardner back in the deal that would open a roster spot for them and we could just waive the bastard…

  2. Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:55 am

    Bum and Smith (as a set up guy) just makes too much sense for NY. How can they not trip over themselves to pay up for that????

    • willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:17 am

      mm just playing along—so who do you want back? Supposedly they have minor league arms. Otherwise aren’t most of their best young IF hitters already up given all the injuries?

      • Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:26 am

        Obviously start with Frazier and then add to that. I don’t spend much time ranking minor Leaguers that Z’s job

      • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:33 am

        As sketchy as Frazier has become, the word is they supposedly won’t part with him for a rental (Bum).
        Don’t think the Yanks are a match for us anymore. Belt would’ve fit them nicely at one time, but probably not now. And even if 3B Andujar was healthy, he is blocked by Longoria’s $ 50 million…

    • gianthead said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:32 am

      Getting Andujar who we could move to first, especially if they do the Belt move I am suggesting, along with Frazier would be a grand slam deal…Andujar does not have a future at third for the yanks either.

  3. djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:38 am

    Dodgers pre-game warmup routine:

  4. Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:55 am

    I still think Bum and Smith have to go together to get the most value. Smith is literally solid gold, he shines upon any of the shade that age is throwing Bum’s way….

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:03 am

      Would you take back less in prospects if you could dump all or part of a bad contract as part of any deal?

      • willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:16 am

        such as? I’d hesitate to go that route. Giants can waive dang near anyone and absorb the hit. They need as best quality coming back as possible, imo. I’d hope ownership would give the OK to what you suggest though.

    • willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:13 am

      Think you narrow the market that way but might force a team to come up with better class of multiple prospects. Lotta teams would be in on Smith, bum less so, especially since both would be rentals. Again, wonder what Brewers think after seeing him this weekend. They and Phils seem obvious choices for rotation upgrades. Braves have to like Smith a lot seems like their only weakness after watching them play here.

      After last night, any NL contender watching Smith wipe out Dodgers in 9th has to be on the phone to Z.

  5. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:17 am

    The Giants moved to within 7.5 games of the Wild Card. When they do these trades, the Giants’ brass needs to really explain to Giants fans the bigger picture.

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:27 am

      Unfortunately they’d pretty much have to leapfrog the rest of the league.
      It would dwarf 1951…

    • Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:27 am

      Come on, that’s absurd. They have no chance of sniffing the wild card this year with the presently constructed team. Last place in the NL West, guaranteed. Take that to the bank and don’t get duped by a few wins, it’s 162 game season, the worst teams still win 62

      • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:08 am

        We get that; but there are a lot of fans who don’t automatically get it. Those fans are all over social media pleading for the Giants not to trade Bum and Smith.

  6. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:22 am

    3 of 4 would be oh so sweet this week. They had 40,000 last night in Dogtown? The rivalry is alive with the fans anyway.

  7. Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:28 am

    Loo I’d absolutely take less prospects in exchange for ditching $$$. We need to do both (add prospects and ditch payroll). Btw, wtf is ellsbury’s deal? Is he just a huge pussy? Who’s hurt for 3+ years besides a guy who doesn’t want to play?

  8. Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:38 am

    Macdog gift card went in mail this morning, congrats

  9. sandog said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:15 am

    Fuck ditching $$$, I’m wilth Willie, we need to max the prospect return. I think one of the reasons we don’t eat these awful contracts is that we don’t have anyone to step in for these guys.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:43 am

      That isn’t the point. You and me could man Crawfish and Melonhead’s roles, and the difference would be negligible. But the impact on future moves would be huge if they were gone.

      If they can get out from ANY one of these deals, they are doing what they need to do. If they can dump two this year, all the better. But there are 7 deals that are hideous, and Cueto’s (maybe Belt) is the only one that could potentially be worth holding on to.

      • sandog said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:36 am

        I hear you, but our biggest issue IMO is a total lack of talent so I’m all for maximizing the return in hopes of hitting on some legit prospects.

  10. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:17 am

    Wins are awesome, but it makes for a trickier PR situation with the trades. The Giants have won 5 of their last 6. And ticket sales probably are probably on the uptick. There are a lot of the so-called casual fans who aren’t going to be digging the trades. Zaidi will need to have his PR skills on high alert. And getting the ownership group fully onboard is s thing, too.

    • Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:52 am

      I get that you can’t ditch everyone. But it seems pretty obvious to me that even a casual fan can see this team is awful and needs to be improved. The only way to do that is to trade Bum and Smith and maybe another guy or two. This isn’t rocket science and Z shouldn’t have to explain that to anyone. It’s clear as day.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 3:22 pm

        No, they don’t. Most casual fans are idiots. Me included. Most casual fans want to keep Bummie, Crawfish, Posey, Smargle and the rest and hope for the best for the next 3 years. Made the mistake of wading into the Kruk & Kuip (or is it Krukow & Kuiper) f’book page, and the site is loaded with starry-eyed optimists who go from ‘it’s early and we can still win’ to ‘stay the course, it’ll all work out’ to ‘I just love anyone in a Giants uni ‘

  11. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:01 am

    As far as the WC goes, we may be only 7.5 out, but we’d need to jump 9 teams to be in it. IF the team can get over .500 near the deadline, it would be interesting to see what they do.

    Would they consider buying? Even with their limited resources? Say they go on a 15-5 run, Crawfish and Longo stop fanning like the Gypsy Rose Lee, Cueto is set to return, and the pen holds on, they’d be 46-44. Which would put us in the neighborhood of 4 out if someone doesn’t go on a roll.

    But if they are wallowing around 5-8 under .500, then fuck it.

    Farhan is simply laying in wait. The closer to the deadline we get, the more obvious our fate will be. As we have seen, when the pitching is solid, the team actually wins some. If we blow the pooch, then sell. The closer to July 31 we get, the more desperate someone will be for the services of Bummie and Smith. Esp. Smith. Closers are a fickle group, and Smith is barrelling the wave this year.

  12. dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:59 am

    Strong showing from Beede yesterday. Do you think Allie let him stay overnight at the L.A. condo?

    • willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 11:31 am

      lulz. Looked it up hubby is making $555,000 thou this year. Isn’t arb eligible til 2022.
      Cue rousing chorus of “Stand by Your Man”

  13. willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 11:06 am

    Giants could trade waive or DFA almost anyone and the $$$ isn’t the problem. If they didn’t care much about the return, Panik Posey Smardz Belt Melancon yada yada could all be gone tomorrow and it would be even easier if SF agreed to pay part of the salary back like Seattle did with Encarnacion. The replacement guys they use now like Austin Solano Yaz Vogt aren’t making anything. Saving money is not the issue.

    You have to maximize return and start to adequately replace the dead weight of underperforming players to improve product on the field within couple years. Or those mid week night games will start to look like the Stick in down years and fans will just drift away, not just the casual ones either.

    • Bozo said, on June 18, 2019 at 2:11 pm

      i think Seattle did a great job in dumping salaries this year. they took on lesser contracts with Bruce and Encarnacion (shedding Santana and Cano) with the idea they could move those guys at the break. I would hope that SF looks at Seattle’s way for a rebuild and not the San Diego, drag it out for years and years type plan.

      • sandog said, on June 18, 2019 at 3:01 pm

        That Cano trade was a masterful move by Seattle. They Longoria’d the Mets big time on that one.

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 18, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    I was hoping Panik could sustain his early season slightly better than mediocre performance and maybe generate some interest but he’s returned to form and still sucks. Smith is the guy they have to get max value for before he sustains another injury. I get waiting to drive the market up but getting deals done now isn’t the worst idea.

  15. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    Belt is 4 for 56 lifetime vs. Kershaw, with 29 Ks. Wow.

  16. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    Of the current top AL contenders eyeing post-season, Yanks and Twins could probably use a top playoff pitcher and might be looking ahead and thinking they’d be playing LA in the Series. I’m kinda tired of seeing the Dodgers lose in the World Series, but if they get there again this year, it would be sweet to see MadBum on the AL champ and shutting down the Dogs…

  17. djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:32 pm

    1. Donovan Solano (R) 2B
    2. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    3. Tyler Austin (R) LF
    4. Buster Posey (R) C
    5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
    6. Kevin Pillar (R) RF
    7. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    8. Steven Duggar (L) CF
    9. Shaun Anderson (R) P

  18. djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    Unbelievable fact of the day:
    Mark Grudzielanek had more career hits than Tony Oliva…

  19. djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    Why is it taking so long to come up with a politically correct name to replace “Old-Timer’s Day”?

    • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:43 pm

      Is any team besides the Yankees still doing these events?

      • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:48 pm

        Don’t know, Zum, but the Yankee version has become so tiresome – even to Yankee fans.
        How many times can you welcome back Hector Lopez?

      • unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:34 pm

        Too funny!

  20. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    I think Twins could be the destination for Bum and maybe Smith as well.
    They have a nice selection of players in their minor leagues, here’s a few top prospects
    Royce Green SS
    Trevor Larnach OF
    Alex Kirilloff OF
    Jose Miranda SS/3B
    Brusdar Gralerrl RHP
    Brett Rooker 1B

  21. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:12 pm

    Bum vs. the Dodgers in the World Series would be an epic TV moment.

    • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:19 pm

      Although, of course, I’d much prefer the Dodgers not make it that far.

      • Flavor said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:21 pm

        it’s fine. They always fucking lose.

  22. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    Snarkk’s favorite thing, the Giants are playing with 24 players tonight; Sandoval is unavailable but not on the Injured List.

  23. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    Not a good start for Thor HR,single, double 2 runs.
    Wonder if the Dogpile knows the signs?

  24. Bozo said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    Extended BP for LA right now.

  25. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    Krukow really loves the cruel nicknames given to Giants players based on their looks.
    Reuter is Woody from Toy Story. Mike LaCoss was Buffy from Family Affair. Darrell Evans was Howdy Doody.
    Hey, the Giants in those days couldn’t win jack, but they knew how to give a cruel nickname.

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:07 pm

      And of course our leader, Penitentiary Face…

  26. Macdog said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    Pillar tries a bunt with two outs — what was the point of that? Especially with Crawford, who probably has 2 career hits off Kershaw, on deck.

    • willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:38 pm

      Miller said Craw is 6-45 off Op I think. In other words almost as bad as Belt. Can’t hit the breaking ball in dirt nor the high fastball…just like Belt.

  27. willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    grudging respect for Opie who is toying with Giants tonite. They get maybe one pitch to hit each AB, max. He gets ahead and everything is down in zone either in or out just off a corner. Or a fastball at high end of zone/ above it. This is what you can do 89 fastball if you have full command of that and breaking pitches.

  28. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    Shit!

  29. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    Wow. It gets worse.

  30. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:51 pm

    Juice-ball era, and the Giants have warning track power.

  31. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:51 pm

    Austin warning track limits..

  32. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    Thought Austin got that one. This means of course that LA scores.

  33. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:56 pm

    You get the feeling these days the Dodgers could take a random guy off the street, put him in the lineup, and he’d get two hits.

  34. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    And why does Boch start both Belt& Crawford lefties who suck against Opie?

  35. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    And why is Bochy leaving Anderson in to get shredded?

  36. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    That’s some bad baseball right there.,

  37. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    It’s just lazy managing. Bochy is coasting through this season, getting the $6 million. He’s not stressed out about all this.

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:04 pm

      Glad you said it…

  38. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    There’s always this . . .

    • djloo27 said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:06 pm

      Bochy can relate to the lyrics…

      Living is easy with eyes closed
      Misunderstanding all you see
      It’s getting hard to be someone
      But it all works out
      It doesn’t matter much to me

  39. zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    Anderson should have been pulled when he walked Muncy to lead off the inning. It was still a 2-run game at the time, but whatever.

  40. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:06 pm

    Oh boy. Dutch oven fire . . .

  41. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    Krukow..Every run is magnified when you don’t score a run..
    Geez is that suppose to be a news flash, they haven’t scored runs all year..

  42. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    The obligatory fan by Mata Hari Crawfish.

  43. snarkk said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    zum, you’re a big Beatles fan.
    If you haven’t seen it, check out youtube.
    search for Carpool Karaoke McCartney.
    It’s about a 23 min episode. For Beatleheads, it is a great great vid. 42+ million hits.
    Some are reduced to tears of joy, or of remembrance of younger days, watching it.
    Seriously…

    • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:22 pm

      I’ve seen it; I agree it’s great!

  44. willedav said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    sorry don’t get the “coasting” knock. Giants have won 6 out of 9 and have winning record this month. so did he just decide to take tonite off? Did the Giants just win on autopilot?
    with sando out and Solano in for Panik, what other RH should have been in the LU? And who again had the hardest hit ball all night—Austin, who is in the LU, almost drove one out and has 2 nice grabs in LF too.

    • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:34 pm

      I would have pinch hit for Anderson with two outs in the 5th, and lifted him with only 2 runs given up. Then for sure when he walked Muncy. Anderson was at 90+ pitches.

    • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:36 pm

      It’s become moot, of course, with the bullpen pitching like garbage.

  45. sandog said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    Catching up on the blog.
    “Austin Warning Track Limits” was gold Kat.
    And I dig that Mark G/Tony Oliva Fun Fact. I knew Grudz could rake and had a nice career, but I wouldn’t have guessed that.

  46. Macdog said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:31 pm

    Gott nothing.

  47. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    Might as well scorch the earth on this one.

    • sandog said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:36 pm

      Well…….there you have it.

  48. unca_chuck said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    And there you go . . .

  49. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    And remember that Grand Slam tommorow on KNBR for a chance to win a trip to Disneyland!!

  50. snarkk said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:48 pm

    Doghairs have roughly double the number of HRs of the Giants.
    Double. That’s just insane…

    • sandog said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:56 pm

      They have double the talent we do too. And that might be understating it.

      • alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:00 pm

        For sure Sandog,that’s not a understatement at all!

  51. alleykat69 said, on June 18, 2019 at 9:50 pm

    Good spot bringing in Melancon down 9-0 !

  52. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:28 pm

    I haven’t looked at a Giants box score in ages. From this game, the highest BA is .262 and it’s Solano. Yikes. LA has 6 players with higher BAs in the lineup. ……

  53. snarkk said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:35 pm

    MLB Rule 2.00.
    9-0 is the deemed score in a forfeit…

    • zumiee said, on June 18, 2019 at 10:47 pm

      Yes, the Giants could have stayed home and had the same score.


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