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The Best Part of the Summer Begins…..

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 16, 2021

The second half of the season is about to kick off and thankfully Daniel has done all the work for me with this comprehensive breakdown of the series vs the Cardinals.

https://cardinal70.substack.com/p/giant-consequences

As I am still on vacation this is greatly appreciated. @c70

I don’t put any stock into the 2 games we just played them. I like our pitching line up (Gausman, Disco and Cueto) and they seem pretty lost in that category with Waino and then the dreaded “undecideds” after that….

Morikawa fires a 64 today to get the Open off to a rocking start! And down at the Old Del Mar…take it away Bing….

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  1. Cardinal70's avatar Cardinal70 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:21 am

    Kim has looked good as of late, though it seems DeSclafani has as well. He is an old friend from his Reds days, of course.

    All that doesn’t matter if you can’t score and that’s usually the Cardinals’ problem.

    Thanks for your assistance!

  2. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:25 am

    Forecast is improving. Chance of rain down to 43% and it appears it will clear later, with chances of mixed showers. Not sure Daniel has a more accurate forecast.

    Hope like hell they get the games in, as I hate the thought of another bullshit 7-inning DHer.

    Giants have 10 left against both bums and friars.

    Bums – six home and four in the latrine.

    Friars – seven home and three in Dago.

    Every game and series is going to be important, but those head-to-head match-ups in division are key.

    Go Giants!

  3. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:48 am

    The Olympics will be happening, I guess.
    “A poll conducted in mid-May revealed that 83% of Japanese citizens did not want the Olympics to go forward in their country. According to the World Health Organization, only 8% of the Japanese population had been fully vaccinated as of the end of June (some sources now put that number at about 17%). As early as May, the Tokyo Medical Practitioners Association, representing the views of about 6,000 Japanese doctors, lobbied unsuccessfully for the Games to be cancelled. All of these pleas have gone ignored; according to the edict of the International Olympic Committee, the show simply must go on.”
    The athletes, coaches, and media are not required to be vaccinated.

  4. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:49 am

    from my trusted weather guy:
    SFG @ STL – Just enough rain early where a late start is possible, but it’s drying out pretty quickly, so no major issues here.

  5. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 9:01 am

    Nice thread from Daniel, including Flav’s response. Giants did drop 2 of 3 at home last time, and we get our 2 worst enemies back in lineup. should be fun, everyone rested up after 4 days off.

  6. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 9:16 am

    2 trades that have been floated out there..
    Giants trade for Joey Gallo to get a power bat in the middle of the order for the stretch run,they trade OF Hunter Bishop, Pitcher Sean Hilgee (Sp) and catcher Ricky Genovês
    Trade 2..The Giants trade for LHP Taylor Rodgers ( Tyler’s twin brother) to help solidify the BP
    for OF prospect Canário and another prospect I forgot his name..
    Thoughts?

    • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on July 16, 2021 at 9:42 am

      I think their priority will be a SP. With Wood being so-so, and Cueto being inconsistent, and the 5th spot being a revolving door, it would strengthen the pen adding another SP.

      • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 9:58 am

        There was also talk about reacquring Tyler Anderson as a backend starter that shouldn’t cost much to get for added depth. I would be all over getting Taylor Rodgers for this bullpen, he’s a quality pitcher and to have him in the same pen with his brother would be cool as they feed off of each other for countine success..

        Gallo only 27 would sure add tremendous power in the middle of the LU and has a cannon for an arm.Move Yaz to center and rotate whatever matchups in LF..

    • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 9:45 am

      The other players in the Rodgers deal would be Gregory Santos and the 13th prospect..

  7. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on July 16, 2021 at 9:47 am

    Thanks to Daniel for his synopsis. Hoping for a different result in Saint Looie, and a series win to kick-off the second half.

  8. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 10:11 am

    We’ve fattened up well on the patsies. We have a much tougher schedule down the stretch to the finish line.

  9. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 10:15 am

    The Giants are not going to trade a potential OF prospect again. Even if they have Gallo under control for 2022.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 10:16 am

      At least I hope not. We are gonna trade for pitching.

  10. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 10:21 am

    Go Collin!! Gotta love those Cal guys.

  11. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 10:22 am

    Having one Rogers in the bullpen is probably more than most of us can handle. 😀

  12. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 16, 2021 at 11:11 am

    No clue what Giants will do.
    But, ZMan will do something that makes sense.
    They drafted pitchers, no OFers in the top rounds, so I don’t see them trading any top tier OF prospects in the system …

  13. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 16, 2021 at 11:43 am

    disappointing afternoon with no wind. Watching these guys play a defenseless course is boring.

    • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 11:52 am

      Yeah I was hoping for Caddy Shack conditions wind,rain, and some lighting bolts!
      Good enough for the priest who was having the round of his life till he dropped dead..

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:16 pm

      “Rat-fuck!!!” He didn’t die though. He got hammered in the bar and disavowed the Lord.

  14. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 11:48 am

    Yeah I doubt that Z would trade any outfield prospects but will go for reinforcements for the pen are a back end starter.I’m hoping Webb finds his mojo, his last 3 inning gig has me excited again that he can be dependable..

  15. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:13 pm

    2 Ls to Cards Giants pen gave up multiple runs in late innings, culprits being Brebbia and Sherfy that negated comeback efforts. They also kept walking guys ahead of gruesome twosome–don’t let others beat you.

    I’d love to get Bryant and maybe Hendricks along with him away from Cubs. This would be a guy you don’t have to platoon in OF, and makes guys like Dickerson and Slater irrelevant. Not so worried about over 30 guys anymore either given what’s gone on for SF this season.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:17 pm

      And Tauchman and possibly Duggar. There. I said it.

      • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:32 pm

        Oooh the Wrath of Flavor will come upon you Chuck, like it did to me if you rip the GraveDuggar…

      • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:43 pm

        Hope is Ramos takes over CF soon enough. Til then, one or both of them have to play CF and be D replacement in corner for Dickerson or Ruf in platooney ball. I just want more guys good enough you can play every day and not platoon. 2b and LF 2 weakest spots in lineup.

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:50 pm

        And Limp Dickerson…

  16. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:15 pm

    “Giants manager Gabe Kapler will put Curt Casali behind the dish to start the second half of San Francisco’s 2021 campaign in St. Louis. Posey, still battling the bone bruise he suffered from a Daulton Varsho foul tip, will start the road trip on the bench.
    Kapler joined the Murph & Mac show Friday morning and gave an update on the plan going forward for Posey.
    “(The plan is) to check in with him on a daily basis. He’s really close,” Kapler said. “It’s just one of those things where you don’t want to put him out there too early. Both for his long-term health, and also for what’s best for the Giants. We want him very comfortable back behind the dish catching.””

  17. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:16 pm

    Pen guys are too flakey to try and evaluate an inning at a time. Still in on Iglesias from Angels but hoping for SP that give you solid 5. Wonder if Braves might part with Smyly who did OK here last year.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:18 pm

      Yeah, I thought we’d put up a little more fight to keep Slymy. Webb is the key though. As of now. He seems close to putting shit together, but he has been close for a while now.

  18. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 1:46 pm

    Wonder if the Twins would deal SP Jose Barrios?
    He has a team friendly contract at 6.2 mil and won’t be a F/A till 2023
    This is a player that with that contract and control Zman could be interested in..

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 16, 2021 at 2:13 pm

      doubt anyone gives up a pitcher like that unless it’s for a massive haul

  19. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 2:14 pm

    Leprino wins first race of Del Mar meet, ridden by Abel Cedillo for trainer Steve Miyadi. pays $12.80.
    Santa Anita announcer Frank Mirahmadi calling races at Monmouth, love that guy. Hot Rod Charlie races there tomorrow.

  20. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 2:44 pm

  21. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 2:45 pm

    Also this from Crowley:

    The Giants recalled Logan Webb, reinstated Mike Tauchman from the IL, selected the contract of RHP Jay Jackson, optioned Jason Vosler and transferred Evan Longoria to the 60-day IL, meaning he won’t be able to return until after the trade deadline.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 16, 2021 at 3:09 pm

      stretched to 65 pitches, we’ll see how that translates to innings

      • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 3:19 pm

        The Longo news is concerning, he got hurt June 5, so that’s going to be a lot longer than the 4-6 weeks originally reported.

  22. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on July 16, 2021 at 2:51 pm

    fucking great

  23. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 3:11 pm

    Well, at least he’s not hurt. No idea what that means though.

  24. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 16, 2021 at 3:18 pm

    When this season is done, I’d like to know the total number of 40 and 25 man roster moves made by the Giants. It will likely be a record for the Giants. The number of guys going in/out/up/down is like two escalators continually moving in each direction…

  25. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 3:22 pm

    Ahh, Gasman’s wife is close to delivering her baby and there were complications. Hope all is well.

  26. chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on July 16, 2021 at 3:32 pm

    1. LaMonte Wade Jr (L) 1B
    2. M. Yastrzemski (L) RF
    3. Wilmer Flores (R) 3B
    4. Alex Dickerson (L) LF
    5. B. Crawford (L) SS
    6. Donovan Solano (R) 2B
    7. Steven Duggar (L) CF
    8. Curt Casali (R) C
    9. Logan Webb (R) P

  27. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    Man I want to see Logan Webb, but to start the 2nd half?
    Yo yo Vosler gets hosed again for 2Socks, oh those stupid options will follow him all season..
    ? How many options can a player have to go down with during a season?

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:41 pm

      My understanding is that one option relates to one season. A player on the 40 man with an option can be yo yo’d up and down as many times as management wants for that one option year. When the season is done, that year’s option expires. So, if a guy is new to the 40 man in 2021, and he was drafted a couple of years ago by the Gyros, he typically would have 3 option years to start as he first gets onto the 40 man. So, in 2021, ZMan can yank him up and down from SF to Sac as much as he wants, and the player will still be in Option year 1. At the end of the 2021 season, the player will now have 2 options left, covering him for the next two seasons if he’s on the 40 man at the start of those seasons (meaning he has a major league deal). Here’s a link with a pretty good explanation…

      https://www.purplerow.com/2014/3/18/5520036/options-baseball-explanation-mlb

      • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:56 pm

        Thanks Snarkk&WillieD I think I get it but it does get confusing.
        Geez I’m beginning to wonder if I have many options left to post here anymore?

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:58 pm

        Be careful, if you keep ripping Duggar, BF might DFA you… 😉

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:42 pm

      Per season Kat. Giants can do that all year to him.

  28. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:39 pm

    Damn!
    Almost climbed out of the grave…

  29. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    BABIP gods continue revenge on GD. Best contact Giants have made so far.

  30. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    That a boy Yaz!! A Bomb to get us started!

  31. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:04 pm

    Yaz bomb!

  32. James's avatar James said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:06 pm

    Wainwright could pitch another 10 years with the robo ump, dropping that curveball all around the edges of the strike zone.

  33. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:10 pm

    So basically any player with 5 years experience can’t be sent down like Tauchman for fear of losing him on waivers.But they can still send GraveDuggar,Dubon and all new call ups back down all year? Got it..

  34. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:16 pm

    Arenado gets on base and always seems to score anyway.

  35. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    0.33 Wainwright why waste pitches trying to get Bader out who could of burned them. Guessing Snarkk feels the same way, should of just put him on from the start..

  36. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    LaMonster!!!

  37. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    Wade 3-run bomb!

  38. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm

    Boom! Way to pick other 2 up!

  39. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    Wade !!! 3 run Bomb oh hell yes!!!
    Getting it done with 2 outs after it looked like Wainwright would get out of the inning..

  40. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    Nice hustle double by Dick…

  41. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:09 pm

    Now a nice catch by Dick..

  42. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:10 pm

    Bader is my new Enrique Hernandez..

  43. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    Brebbia deserved better…

    • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:16 pm

      Lot of cheap hits for the Cardinals the pitchers didn’t deserve to give up

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:22 pm

      yes. Wade Jr. almost threw away the force out to Crawford too. Nice stop but that could have been disaster.

  44. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    The Brebbia Aisle is closed for a cleanup..

    • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:17 pm

      Garcia nice job cleaning up the mess, though Loo is right.

  45. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    GD just can’t hit off speed pitches, teams are learning not to throw him fastballs in the zone.

    • James's avatar James said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:28 pm

      The ball he nearly hit out in his first AB was a curveball.

      • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:37 pm

        James I bet if you find a stat on what he’s done all year on curves, splits, sliders anything off speed it’s not going to be a good stat..

  46. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    YA2!!!!

  47. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:32 pm

    Another Yaz bomb!

  48. willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:32 pm

    Yeah love to see him break out in second half!
    Man Giants sure ruined Nats. They’ve given up 19 to Pads in 7 innings and made 3 errors.

  49. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:34 pm

    Yaz with a busting opening 2nd HR!!
    Break did him well that’s for sure..

  50. xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    I like the way the Giants have come roaring out of the break.
    Brebbia’s extreme attempt to compensate for Wade’s bad throw to 1B impressed me. His pitching was fine. I have a good feeling about him going forward.

    • djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:41 pm

      Card broadcasters like him, but they seem to like everyone the Giants have picked up.
      In ASG interview, Craw identified Brebbia as big clubhouse clown…

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:05 pm

        a good sense of humor will help get him through this snakebit season

  51. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:40 pm

    Last time Yaz had a 2 HR game vs. Cards?

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS196710050.shtml

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:51 pm

      Ha thx. love these. Lonborg almost no hit Cards.
      fun fact: Julian Javier and Jose Tartabull both had kids play mlb too.

    • djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:55 pm

      Had it…

  52. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    Giants can’t get the bottom of order out.

  53. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:56 pm

    Who the hell is this?

    • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:58 pm

      Gausman’s replacement, but don’t worry he has plenty of options!

    • xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:06 pm

      a tall hard throwing Romo, maybe

  54. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:56 pm

    Gonna give the kid a shot, have too Leone was throwing more junk up there then Eddie Harris in Major League and his uniform was drenched.. Go get em Jay!!

  55. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:59 pm

    Jay with the K!

  56. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:59 pm

    How about that Kid!! Beautiful pitch had Bader frozen!!

  57. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 7:59 pm

    The Cards are doing what we do. 35 pitches, but no runs. Damn

  58. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:04 pm

    Hate to say it to Daniel but Sell Sell Sell the Cards are toast, to far back in their division and the W/C spot..

  59. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:06 pm

    Yanks also looking DOA…

  60. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    Oh fuck, now Craw’s hurt.

  61. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:09 pm

    Oh boy.

  62. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:10 pm

    Doesn’t look serious…

  63. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    We’re supposed to be getting healthier not hurter.

  64. xoot's avatar xoot said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:13 pm

    Crawford out after running to 1B. The strict regimen this year is amazing. Any twinge, any issue, come out. Don’t make it worse. Make it better. Cueto’s hand cut across his throat early in the year when he felt a problem showed the program. And it looks like everyone’s bought in. Don’t fuck with an injury. New school.

  65. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:14 pm

    Fouts must have a few TDs tonight.

  66. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:19 pm

    John Hadl was damn good, too…

  67. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:23 pm

    The new guy got out Goldy and Arenado!

  68. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:27 pm

    Leadoff double by the new first baseman.

  69. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:39 pm

    Props to Mr.Options Jay Jackson pitched real well kid!
    Unfortunately when Gausman comes back you’ll have to go back to the summer heat in Sac..

  70. djloo27's avatar djloo27 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:40 pm

  71. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:40 pm

    Ballgame!

  72. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:40 pm

    Giants Win Again!
    Nice start to the 2nd half!!

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:40 pm

  73. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:41 pm

    Ballgame!

  74. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    MadBum made first start since June 2, 6 IP 2 H 1 ER 6 Ks vs. Cubbies.

  75. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:52 pm

    I’m just amazed everytime this team hits the field every game, they can do know wrong..


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