Tonight is a Very Interesting Match Up….
Last Winter we spent at least half a thread discussing who was going to have the better year, Dirrrrrty or Edwina Jackson. I was firmly entrenched in the “Dirrrrrty Camp” and if you look at their stats it’s obvious that he’s out-pitching Edwina.
7W/6W
109K/97K
3.42 ERA/4.96 ERA
1.27WHIP/1.47WHIP
opponent BA–.215/opponent BA–.268
I still love that AZ gave up their best pitching prospect for him. A dude who is, arguably, having a better year right now, not to mention all the years from here on out. But I digress…..
There’s a MERC story out there saying the Giants are going to be limiting Bumgarner’s innings. No surprise at all, everyone is doing it. Toronto just moved Morrow back a week trying to accomplish the same thing. It’s not even arguable, this is the right move. I just don’t want to see Wellemeyer be the guy who *spells* him. I really don’t care who it it as long as it’s not him. “ABW”……
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We saw the Matt Cain we all want to know and love repeatedly from this day forth! What a flat out outstanding dominating performance with great defense all around.
Uribe may not have the great range, but no one can argue he can throw it. But if you have Torres, Rowand and Nate in the outfield and Travis, Sanchez and Pablo in the infield…that might be the best defense in baseball. Add in Posey and it could be a dominating type of team. The one question mark is Huff and he has played well above average this year at first and left and is not a major liability.
Pitching and defense…those sure win playoff games….I still want an extra bat though!
Head – I agree on your take except no fucking way Rowand is in the SL. Huff has shown continuously that he makes all the routine plays int he OF. I would much rather have his stick in the LU regulary and forsake the difference in D between him and Rowand.
Flav – I agree on the idea to go easy on Bum re: innings. Dennis and I had a bit of a dialogue going on last night on that topic…I know he disagrees. I do think it is the smart move.
Yes, Matty was nails last night. Great game and a kick-ass start to the series.
To keep things rolling, the Giants must take a minimum of 3 of 4. Anything else against this team is a failure.
Orange and Black Forever – GO GIANTS!!!
Yeah I agreee Chi! Rowand had a nice game there last night. But I could see Rowand coming in on the defense replacement side late in games.
But three of four is an absolute must after this win last night. Hopefully the Bucs coem to paly against the Padres and take two themselves. That would put us two out and oh by the way, we lead the Wild Card all by ourselves!
and in regards to the Bumgarner comment, I hear here that the Nationals will likely shut down Strasburg in early September.
We cant do that with the Bum if we are competing for the division. So skipping a couple of turns in August may be the more likely outcome. But I would hesitate using Wellehack. Looks like they could go with a 4 man rotation for parts of August that could give skip the Bum two or three times in the rotation.
The first looks liek August 4 in Colorado. They could skip him and have Timmy start the last game of that key series in Colorado. They could also skip Bum in a start in the last game in Philly in the middle of the month. That would be a tough venue for a rookie in the heat of August. Could be too much for Timmy as well. But Timmy wouldhave normal rest before each of those starts with off days in the schedule.
That would then give the Bum two home starts at the end of the month against Cincy and AZ.
There is also a chance to get him more rest in September, but both off days to keep Timmy on normal rest revolve around Dodger games and we may very well want the Bum shutting those Bastardos up and down.
I agree on looking for spots to rest Bum early, so that he is available down the stretch.
I really like the comments on Posey from Cain, re: his calling the game, and his prep work:
“I was just trusting him and going along,” said Cain, who noted that Posey studied video on hitters from takeoff to landing on the previous night’s flight. “He’s watching to see what guys are hitting. He’s not just trying to figure it out as he goes along.”
Great to see that Gerald is putting in the time to study video of opposing batters (but really, everything I have seen of this kid…I am not surprised in the least). He is the real deal.
Total real deal. His command and confidence behind the palte (when in fact he is a converted shortstop) is amazing. He really could legitimately be the best catcher in the NL next year!
And regarding last night’s game, Torres just continues to get it done in all regards. The HR he hit was a monster, and then he made the great catch at the wall to take away extra bases. I love having this guy at the top of the LU.
Solid win by the G’s, and one I thoroughly expected, which usually gets me disappointed, but paid off this time. Matt Cain showed how dominant he can be when he’s on. Every one of his pitches has nasty, late movement. His biggest issue is consistency and run support. He has a better ERA than Timmy, but with two fewer wins and four more losses. The kid has pitched in tough luck his entire career with nary a peep out of him. Class teammate and class Giant.
Andres Torres isn’t that big, but man that guy is strong. He muscled up on that dinger and hit a bomb. He’s the surprise of the year for me.
Keep it up tonight, guys! Sanchy needs to get on track!
Agree, JBat. The team needs Dirty to keep this train a rollin!’ The SPs keep rolling out there with great starts (even Zito could have easily won nigh-before-last with some run support).
Is BW having a monster year or what?
So Flav says that since everyone is doing it (limiting pitchers innings), it’s not even arguable. It’s the right call. Well, shit, if EVERYONE is doing it that must make it right. Unbelievable.
There are numbers on this Dennis…what they indicate is that it is not healthy for the pitcher in question, and affects over all performance. I think what the A’s did last year in using their young guys so much has someting to do with inuries 2010 to Braden and others. Just imo, but I’d tend to go along with keeping a close eye on Bum’s IP.
Very good article in today’s Chron with some parts of a couple of recent interviews with Jon Miller re: his upcoming induction on Sunday.
http://tinyurl.com/24v9eh5
Yeah, Chi, the starters have been stellar since the break. Exactly what the team needs.
Building on the Posey talk, his approach for a young hitter is remarkable. He goes the other way so naturally, and with power, and he uses the whole field. Guys with that kind of approach tend to avoid long slumps. A 15 game hitting streak! It’s amazing how his arrival has energized the whole team.
Actually, I believe it is now at 16. Cepeda had a 17 game streak, and Stretch a 22 game “stretch.” Pretty lofty company. And both were Rookies of the Year, and are HOFers. I know it is way to early to talk of these things (well, except Rookie of the Year), but the kid sure has the goods. I hope he just continues to get better over the years (and there’s nothing to suggest he won’t)…all while rocking the Orange and Black.
You are correct Chi, my bad. I saw the SFGate piece comparing rookie hitting streaks. 2 more games and Buster is second on the all-time G’s list. Pretty cool.
Brandon Morrow is turning out to be a bust. He has a great arm, but erratic command and mediocre secondary pitches. Mariner fans are still steaming that they passed on the guy in their own backyard (Timmy) and picked Morrow. Morrow is one of those guys who thinks he can always overpower hitters. Sorry, kid, that ain’t gonna fly in the Majors.
On a separate, but sad note (local kid – SacTown) Matt Barnes (played with the Kings and Warriors) has signed with the Evil Empire (Lakers). Argh!
Barnes was a good player that one year when they went to the playoffs, but I don’t think he would have fit in very well with this team.
Good for Barnes though. He was a good guy..would have been a nice fit with the Warriors now if they were not so mismanaged…I still cant believe that fucking draft pick! I wonder if Chris Paul for Monta is a doable thought??? They dealt with them for Baron before and Chris Paul playing with Curry is no dumber than Curry playing alongside Monta.
I was bummed when I heard about Barnes going to LA as well. A Del Campo High product if I’m not mistaken. Same school as Dusty B.
You’re right, Dog (Del Campo). Yeah, as JBat mentioned earlier, not sure that he would have fit in with the Warriors, but I am just always bummed when a local kid goes to a hated rival team.
Dirty had a good outing in his last start against the Mutts (ND), and like Zito in his last start…pitched well enough to win. Jackson has allowed at least four runs in each of his last four starts. Hit him early and hit him hard, put up some early runs for Sanchez, and it sounds like a recipe for another los Gigante win.
Brandon Morrow is NOT a bust. He’s taking a little while to figure it out but he’s headed in the right direction. It’s taken a while because the fucking Mariners yanked him around from SP to closer and back again before finally trading him. 119K’s in 107 innings this year tells you all you need to know. Obviously, the M’s would rather have Timmy but it’s not accurate to call Morrow a bust……
DENNY– how about this, find one reputable person in baseball who thinks it’s a good idea to increase a 20 year old’s inning count from the last year by 35% or so……
Oh, and re: monitoring pitch count/innings for young arms, Kennedy, who goes against Bum on Saturday was held to 5 inning and 80+ pitches…for the same reason…trying to protect a young arm.
The thing about Bum is he started the year throwing like shit (I can’t remember was it bad habits, bad training?). That’s why they took a flier on Wellemeyer as insurance. I don’t think that has changed. Personally, I don’t want to see the kid shut down but I also don’t want to see him pull a Salomon Torres come September. So I would be monitoring the shit out of him.
Didn’t the Giants do that with Timmy when he came up?
Clown – don’t recall the specifics, but yes, it was a mechanics thing with Bum. I agree, I really don’t want to see him shut-down…especially the way he is pitching. But, the reality is the kid is only 20 and has a bright future. Why potentially jepordize a guy who could be a key cog for years to come.
His first two years in the minors he threw 131 and 141 ininings. Between Fresno and his call-up, he has thrown around 115. I say err on the side of caution. What the fuck…almost ALL teams do this…there must be a reason…other than pissing DelMar off. 😉
From a piece by Fox Sports (Jon Paul Morosi) on which teams will Buy, Sell, or Hold:
“San Francisco Giants — HOLD
Maybe the Giants already made the two moves they needed — promoting Buster Posey from the minors and trading Bengie Molina for reliever Chris Ray. San Francisco could always use another hitter, so the Corey Hart/David DeJesus rumors will persist. But the team’s strong play in July suggests that GM Brian Sabean might have found the right mix.”
Here’s the full story:
http://tinyurl.com/2fhc7n6
Two things are going to happpen as things stand now: they are going to limit MadBum’s innngs AND Wellemeyer is going to ne the other 5- I’m not big on Todd either but they do not have a better option. First person who says “Pucetas” goes to Room B-and yes, boys, there IS still a Room B. It exists as certainly as doomerosity and dunderheadedness exist and we all know that those abound and give to your life it’s highest idiocy and stoopidity….
Upon hearing the plans with Madison, do you guys like our chances better about making the post-season this year? You don’t have to answer that. I never said it was good idea to increase his innings by 35% or so, but to say he “can’t” or “shouldn’t” is closed-minded thinking (IMO) by the organization. Everyone is different. Let Madison’s performance on the field dictate how much he should be used this year. I hear “limit his innings this year,” that tells me we’re already thinking too much about next year.
It’s opening day at the Spa. I hope my horses aren’t on a furlong limit. 😉
Dennis, you have plenty of competition, but I think I’d give you the nod for Alarmist of the Year. Clubber might have given you a good run but he’s bailed in favor of Soph’s bony protruberances. You’re the King, dude.
Absolutely…well said Twin. But hey, every good blog needs its resident alarmist…and you do a damned fine job, DelMar.
Del Mar opened yesterday to a record crowd of 45k. Would love to be down there for a week. Beautiful place. And collectively some of the most beautiful women on the planet. Some awful nice colts and fillies, too.
Well, outta here fellas (and ladies?)…off to Ferndale and ultimately up the Oregon coast for a few. Will try to get online. Have a great weekend. GO GIANTS!!!
Lincecum had the benfit of college competition whereas Cain has been learning his craft at the Major League level. His stumbles are frustrating to watch but should be expected. His string of excellence earlier this season was just a taste of how good he can be.
When Cain dominates like last night it is easy to forget that he is so young. It is amazing that he is the senior member of the staff when it comes to time in SF.
I think SF is right to monitor and limit Bumgarner’s innings. It isn’t the number of innings that destroys a young arm. It is a significant increase from year to year that ruins them. The kid is still growing into his body. Ease him into the workload and he’ll be at 200+ innings soon enough.
MLBTR has it that David DeJesus is out for anywhere from two to four weeks with a messed-up thumb. Having been burned just last season on damaged goods, Sabean may now be a bit hesitant about pulling the trigger on that one. The good news, though, is that the dude’s price may have just gone down. Right on down i’ve been keener on Willingham than DeJ, but with that injury to the Royal, the Nats are in position to boost the price on Josh.
Saw that Morosi projection on “Hold” for the Giants. Not badly reasoned for an outside observer, but hardly holy writ either. Possibly still nursing himself from all the doctoring, Franchez has turned into a bit of a bust in the 2-hole. Very little production in that critical spot. If the Nats would be up for a package consisting primarily of prospects, not labeled Belt and preferably not labeled Neal either, Sabean should start dealing those farmboy cards. Bullpen and SS help are still on my radar screen, but do not seem quite as pressing after recent performances.
Sorry Flav, I watched the guy the entire time he was in Seattle, and he is not a pitcher he’s a thrower. When his “going in the right direction” starts turning into wins, lemme know. Yeah, the M’s didn’t handle him all that well, but the fact remains, until he develops secondary pitches and better command he’ll always be a thrower. Strikeouts per IP are all you need to know about a pitcher? Wow. Somebody better tell Greg Maddux. I think Morrow’s 14-18 career record and 49 BB in those 107 IP is more indicative of his career so far. I wish him well, because he’s a nice kid.
And the M’s would rather have Lincecum? Lol! They blew it big time and went for the thrower and ignored the star pitcher who grew up across Lake Washington and dominated at the UW. They may never live it down.
And please don’t be afraid to use my name when replying to me. John or JBat.
Bumgarner is too much of a treasure to expend heedlessly in pursuit of, what, homefield advantage in the playoffs? My thought is that he should maybe be limited to 5 innings against the Snakes tomorrow, saving him a bit for a critical road trip looming in early August with a pair in Roxville and then four in Hotlanta. I have no idea if the team’s brass sees it that way, but i like the idea of Madison getting short-inning starts and then a Wellemeyer or Martinez coming in as a filler.
Nice jacket that Torres is sporting as POTG.
That’s some heavy disco.
Limiting Bum to under 200i is cool. He could still get another 10 starts.
** Cain went from 158 innings as a 19yr old to 190 at 20 ( 46 of those at the ML level).
I saw that DeJesus injury last night. I think he’s off the table.
Pretty elite company for Buster Posey:
With 21 RBI’s since July 1,Gerald “Jesus” Buster Posey is the fourth Giants rookie to drive in more then 20 runs in one calendar month since the team moved to San Francisco,following Orlando Cepeda (23 in May 1958) Willie McCovey(22 in Aug 1959) and Jim Ray Hart(24 in July 1964)
I don’t mind the G’s protecting Bumgarner to a certain extent. 200 innings is still a lot.
Some teams look at pitchers differently on rookie pitchers though.The Tigers went all in when it came to Rookie pitcher Justin Verlander,he made 30 starts and 186 innings in 2006.The Reds are letting Mike Leake pitch as well 18 starts 114 innings,with no signs of cutting him back.
I won’t push this too much but I seem to recall a lot of Hanes wringing over MadBum last year and this Spring. And need I remind you just who ( once again) told you all to chill out on it… yes, me… when will you fucks ever learn? Anyway: limiting him now will help insure you don’t have be freaking again about an 87 MPH fastball come September. Boys, Bumgarner is an absolute fucking stud and in his mental make up he’s light years ahead of even Timmy at a comparable time. They are absolutely right to protect him.
JBat– if you don’t think a +1.0 per inning strike out rate is a sign of something good this conversation is over. Calling him a bust is idiotic. Interesting that you see “Wins” as the indicator of pitching success. Who do you think is a better pitcher, Felix Hernandez or Brandon Lyon? Felix has got one more win than Lyon. Next…..
I didn’t call him a bust, I said he’s turning into one. He’s a fifth overall pick for crying out loud. What has he done to justify that high of a pick? Of course that strikeout rate is a sign of something good, but you said it’s all you need to know about a pitcher. I disagree with that. Baseball history is littered with big arms that didn’t do shit.
And Felix’s numbers are better than Morrow’s across the board, and he was 19-5 last year! And he’s 65-47 for his career. Felix’s talent is so far above that of Morrow it’s not even a valid comparison. And Brandon Lyon? 😀 😀 One more win this year, 31 fewer for his career. Next…
Like I said, I wish him well and I hope he proves me wrong.
I meant to type Lyon has one less win this year.
They’ll protect MadBum, as they did with Tim his first season, but the question is, how much? I’ve heard Sabean and baer talk about MadBum as a workhorse like Cain. I think it will be a wait and see not only how many innings he has, but also how stressful his outings are.
Great game last night for Cain, Torres and Buster. Did you guys hear Krukow this morning though??? No Buster in the LU tonight. Uribe also sits.
Dirt, I think Cain has the most time as an SF Giant, on the entire TEAM, if I’m correct on that. He’s one of the team leaders, in his own quiet way. The respect the other players have for him is HUGE. He’s the cover story in one of the recent issues of the Giants magazine sold at the ballpark.
” Did you guys hear Krukow this morning though??? No Buster in the LU tonight. Uribe also sits.” OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! This is AWFUL! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!
Rest is a good thing. They gave Huff the day off, and he came back and responded with a huge stolen base that got the Arizona series off to a good start
All I said was that they’re not playing. Didn’t say I was against it, but since we’re talking about resting players, I thought it was relevant to the conversation. Sorry if this bothers you Twin. Maybe you should post your email address and we can email our posts to you for approval beforehand.
Why the 3 question marks after you said it?
ThWas wondering if anyone else heard this. We’ve all been raving about Buster’s bat. The Giants had 7 hits last night. 4 were by Posey and Uribe. Thought it might be interesting to discuss them being rested tonight when they accounted for more than half of last night’s offense.
I think it was the 3 question marks
Oops. Sorry zum. I’m a very slow typist
Whiteside is only getting one game a week now- so he gets Dirty. If Buster played, Travis would sit again. Against the RHer Jackson, Ishikawa is the choice. This is EZ shit. The only beef is really with Sabes- the better hitting Holm should be backing up Posey.
“Did you guys hear Krukow this morning though???” You may be an idiot, but I’m not. It’s fucking obvious you have a problem with it. Don’t start with the LU bashing, nimrod. You’re 0 for 3 over the last 3 days, dropping out of contention.
Sorry GOD.
Not lineup bashing. Just stating the facts. Learn to read.
“Two things are going to happpen as things stand now: they are going to limit MadBum’s innngs AND Wellemeyer is going to ne the other 5.”
One more thing has just happened: our chances of making the post-season have just taken a hit. How much? Can’t say. But it’s definitely a hit. If you think that having Wellemeyer eat some of Madison’s innings this year doesn’t hurt our chances of making the playoffs… I have no doubt, stone-cold lock, back up the truck, bet the farm horse for you in the 3rd at Saratoga.
Zum, I think you’re right about Cain regarding time and respect. When you think of it in those terms the turnover on the club is amazing.
Better than Bumgarner on the DL come Septermber, DelWad. Get in the van with 3Bag.
When Bengie was delt, and Whitey caught Timmy, didn’t agree with that move saying that Buster should catch everyday other than Sanchez. I still believe that.
What Cain did last night was fantastic. The Snakes have only been shutout at home one other team this season. I don’t expect that to happen again tonight. That said, the Giants are going to need to hit. Not that others can’t, but the two guys with the most hits last night will be coming off the bench.
Whiteside, AS I SAID, is only catching once a week. Generally he gets Dirty. What idiots NEVER get is the proactive benefit of resting a guy. Buster is not going to and should NOT play everyday. If you can’t get THAT, get OUT. And one would think that being so dead fucking wrong three days straight would make a fuckwad think before starting in yet again.
And three straight days of you misquoting me.
So we get this straight, Rowand should start, right?
Start what…his car? With Jackson throwing tonight the outfield should be Huff, Torres, Shierholtz.
I have never “quoted” you dilwad, so I can’t MISquote you.
You are unfuckingbelievable.
Can I quote you on that?
I’m done with it before Flavoro bans me for abusing an idiot. Absolutely typical of a biased and illogical mind to say Uribe and Posey should be in there because of last night and conspicuously not mention Rowand.
“You are unfuckingbelievable.” Damn straight I am: to the “unbrained”.
I never said that Posey and Uribe should be in there tonight. Just tried to start up conversation since they were accounted for more than half of last night’s offense and it’s unlikely to get another shutout. In fact, I even said that Whiteside should catch Sanchez. Get it straight.
“Let’s get Wellemeyer more innings this second half. That’s the answer for our playoff push.”
Unbelievable. Pussification personified. Did we trade for Oswalt yet?
Patton?
TresBaggeros: Start up a conversation somewhere else. You did NOT say in the first post that Posey should catch Sanchez. You want me to “quote” THAT for you? You’re being a sneaky little shit with this oh just trying to chat BS. Spit out what you wanna say THEN we’ll discuss it. Give us your LU.
It’s actually kind of funny how doomeristic Giants fans are. Maybe it’s all because of Mike Murphy being with the club so long. You see- Murphy’s Law! What can go wrong WILL go wrong! Let’s think of things to worry about!
I see- we all misread the three question marks. Can’t we all see that??? Bochy knows what he’s doing??? You graduated from college??? She agreed to go out with you???
Well, if they do just use Wells at home, where he’s been very good, shouldn’t hurt them at all. Dennis, I think you’re missing the point. A stronger Bum down the stretch increases their chances of making the playoffs.
Plus this is funny in a Freudian slip kind of way:
“I was just staining the fact that Buster won’t be in the lineup”
As soon as I saw that mistake, I knew I’d regret it.
The problem with pitchers these days starts in little league and carries through the minors. This whole culture of limiting pitches is what Dennis refers to the ‘pussification of America’. I concur. Were Nolan Ryan/Christy Mathewson ever limited? And, they went with 3/4 man rotations.
Problem started with over-zealous little league coaches doing anything to win and ruining arms in the process. At the same time, not taking care of the added burden through exercise, etc. So to ‘correct’ the problem they started employing pitch counts and now we’re witnessing pitchers who would have pitchers/players before the 70’s turning in their graves and rolling their eyes since they are as fragile as china. I understand it, but think it’s ridiculous we’ve gotten to this point to have to worry about a SP throwing 200 IP, at ANY point in their career.
What good is having a strong Bumgarner for the stretch if when replacing him now causes those game to be moot? A game won in July/August count the same as one won in September. They just *seem* more important. All add up the same in the final standings.
Replacing Bumgarner with Wellemeyer. I wonder what the WAR is on that stroke of genius?
Which comes down my primary complaint is how this team/roster is managed. If they knew they were going to be limiting him before the season began, and now they don’t have any options (unless of course Willis is the answer), why are always so fucking ‘reactive’ instead of ‘proactive’. Pisses me off to no end. Better get another damn starter then and beef up the lineup because standing pat = almost no chance of playing in Oct.
Hey, if there is more pussy out there I am all for it.
I don’t agree, PG. A lot of guys have flamed out because of over-use over the years in baseball. Plus baseball was quite different in the Mathewson era. For one thing, balls weren’t thrown out for getting dirty and scuffed. And the spitball was a legal pitch until the early ’20s. Batters didn’t wear helmets in those days, and weren’t required until much later. Brushback pitches were very scary. And the pitching mound was 6 inches higher. And basically just about all the batters were hackers. Batters didn’t work the count like so many hitters do now. Games were quick. Often just 2 hours long.
Ummm….okay. Completely off point of my point but that’s okay….I guess. It’s simple physiology – work the muscle, get stronger and last longer (hah – unlike what your momma told you!). Baby it and guess what, you’ll have blown out arms. And since not all arms are created equal, some will blow out sooner than others, but it’s not like players these days are pitching more IP or having longer careers. They’re having SHORTER ones.
PG, that is a goos analogy. To continue with that line of thinking. Too much too fast results in injury. It should be a gradual build up of strenght.
The pussification of this blog started when Gringo was allowed in.
And you fucks are arguing an issue that hasn’t even arisen yet. STFU until you AT LEAST see what really does go down.
Mommy says we *might* have liver and onions next month. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
And say what you want to about batters today, but they’re bigger and stronger than in the old days. Most of the batters Mathewson faced looked like David Eckstein.
Speaking of Mathewson, here’s a few factoids about him. His nickname was “Big 6,” but no one knew why that was his nickname. And they still don’t. It’s a mystery.
He got gassed during WWI, and died a few years after the war from damaged lungs. He was in his mid 30s.
He also was one of the people who helped expose the Black Sox scandal of 1919.
He won a World Series with the Giants in 1905.
As the numbers CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCABLY show, Bochy is one of the managers who pays LEAST attention to pitch counts. The beef, if there really was one, is not with him, fucklewads. This is just one of those “when men were men” pieces of fluff. There’s no gripe with the Giants here, boyz. Load up your UZIs and take it up with liberal society, your REAL beef.
PickledGringo is advocating the Mike Marshall school of pitching.
There’s this myth that all the pitchers threw a zillion innings in the old days, and were none the worse for wear. Certainly some pitchers were able to do it, but there were a LOT of guys who became rag-arms after a few years, and were out of baseball pretty quickly. Read some baseball history. But that’s too much work. It’s just much easier believing false myths that “support” a false conclusion.
I thunk you’ve spoked about this learnin’ thang before, commie…
Shit, just pitch Wellie at home, Bummie on the road.
Wellie is 3-1 – 2.97 in the friendly confines . . .
0-4 – 9.67 on the road . . .
Chuck, I agree. Some combination of splitting home vs away games and skipping the occasional #5 start is the best solution.
Plus, as someone else mentioned, there are off-days in August and September that can be used to skip a starting pitcher when necessary. 3 off-days in Aug., and 4 off-days in Sept.
Zum, good stuff regarding BB history. I’d be interested to hear some titles you recommend.