The Torture Keeps on Coming and A Word About the Blog
That was a crazy-ass 9th inning, wasn’t it? It felt like the 7th game of the World Series seeing Dirrrrty warm up and eventually enter the game as a reliever. He didn’t seem to comfortable with the role. Then “All Arms and Elbows” (Ray) comes in and as soon as I can say “WTF is going on” he gets out of it and saves the game. Nice.
This season has been great as far as renewing my dislike for the Dodgers. It’s been a while since I felt this way. It’s almost approach “hate” again. I don’t think it’s because both teams are finally competitive again (though that helps). It’s their players. Ethier, Kemp and Loney just walk around looking like they truly think they’re better than everyone else—Garvey and Cey used to do that, too. And I don’t know what it is about Casey Blake– it’s not the *Wilson thing*, I actually thought that was marginally humorous. Maybe it’s his name and his beard. It’s definitely the way he looks, though. There’s always Padilla and his greased out look to laugh at. Anyway, hate for this team has made a comeback within me. Feels good, actually…..
To the blog: I’ve been burnt out on the blog as I think you can tell from yesterday’s post. I tried to give it away but my *guy* couldn’t take it on at this point in his life. And I couldn’t bring myself to disband it at this point or just let it go like a rudderless ghost ship (which is what some friends of mine told me to do with it)…..
So here’s the deal. I started the blog as a sort of *anything goes* thing. That mentality has run it’s course. I’ve let lots of, as CALSTIM calls them, “bitch fights” go on longer than I should have. Ironically, those don’t bother me. It’s the cascade of emails I get complaining about them that has worn on me……
So, starting today (well, maybe not today since I’ll be at the game) I’m cracking down on the bitch fights. If they go back and forth for more than 4 or 5 exchanges I’m sending all involved parties, regardless of who started it or the level of intensity, to one of the *penalty boxes* that you see to the right of the page. I’l make it clear in the thread when someone (or multiple posters) are being sent there. You participation in this is non-negotiable. You HAVE to remain on the sidelines for as long as the box says you are to stay there. If you get sent there and don’t respect the call by me, your referee, you are immediately banned from the site. There’s obviously going to be a level of subjectivity here that will bug some people. For instance, which box will you go to? Probably the 30 min box for the first one but depending on the level of intensity it could be the 1 day box. Second infraction will definitely be the 1 day box. I’ll take into consideration your attempts to bail on the bitch fights, should you attempt to bail on them. There will also be a hierarchy involved (for instance, if someone brand new shows up and start in on a blog vet I’m not going to give the new guy any rope, he’ll be outta here). But the flip side to that is I am no longer going to tolerate the vets attacking a new blogger just because they are new or spend half a thread accusing someone of being someone else– that could also earn you some time in the box. And regardless of who starts the “bitch fight”, because think about it, with all the history in the archives you could point to any random post in the past of where it ultimately *started*, I’m just going to send both bloggers to do time. End of story, moving on……
I’m also going to start deleting a lot more stuff in hopes of decreasing the possibility of a *bitch fight* breaking out…..
I want to give EDddakkkeeerrr (sorry, I can never remember how to spell his handle) the credit for this idea. While it’s more work for me, something I wanted to avoid, it’s also something that I find intriguing and anything I can do to kick-start my interest in managing this place I’m going to do….
To summarize: Lots more is going to get deleted and you’re taking a time out when I give you one. I don’t mind it if you guys bark at each other– just keep it somewhat civil and if you can’t do that end it in a few exchanges. I won’t have you do *time* if you can abide by those two simple rules. And here’s another option that my 7 year old daughter has recently learned: ignore people that are teasing you……
I know this might feel a little “child like” but these new rules are non-negotiable. These changes have nothing to do with you, they are all for *me*. This is what I’m doing to renew my interest in managing this zoo. You don’t like it you are certainly free to go somewhere else, I will salute your exit…….
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
Sounds good for now Flav, but what are you going to do next year when we’re in 2nd grade?
As I said Loo, I imagine this feels a little child-like but it’s nothing more childish that the bitch fights that break out here constantly. And I will happily salute anyone who’s not down with this as they make way for a new beginning in a Yahoo Giants Chat Room……
You got to do what you have to do.
Too bad it is going to take even more effort on your part. Doubt if that will kick-start your increased morale, but maybe it will. We all hope so.
Well alrighty BF, I’m good with it. The whole penalty box thing made me think of this
from Cool Hand Luke:
“Carr: Them clothes got laundry numbers on them. You remember your number and always wear the ones that has your number. Any man forgets his number spends a night in the box. These here spoons you keep with you. Any man loses his spoon spends a night in the box. There’s no playing grab-ass or fighting in the building. You got a grudge against another man, you fight him Saturday afternoon. Any man playing grab-ass or fighting in the building spends a night in the box. First bell’s at five minutes of eight when you will get in your bunk. Last bell is at eight. Any man not in his bunk at eight spends the night in the box. There is no smoking in the prone position in bed. To smoke you must have both legs over the side of your bunk. Any man caught smoking in the prone position in bed… spends a night in the box. You get two sheets. Every Saturday, you put the clean sheet on the top… the top sheet on the bottom… and the bottom sheet you turn in to the laundry boy. Any man turns in the wrong sheet spends a night in the box. No one’ll sit in the bunks with dirty pants on. Any man with dirty pants on sitting on the bunks spends a night in the box. Any man don’t bring back his empty pop bottle spends a night in the box. Any man loud talking spends a night in the box. You got questions, you come to me. I’m Carr, the floor walker. I’m responsible for order in here. Any man don’t keep order spends a night in…
Luke: …the box. ”
Go Zits, Go Giants.
Clown . . . good one. I wish I had instituted these rules when I was married.
One of my favorite movies.
Mine too. “Shaking that tree, boss. Shaking that tree.” The famous line at the end, delivered by Strother Martin, is oft misquoted. As Ralph Keyes points out in his superbly researched “The Quote Verifier,” the line is: “What we’ve got here is [pause] failure to communicate.” “Our memories understandably add an ‘a,’ ” notes Keyes. I can’t recommend the book highly enough (it’s in paperback). It is so researched, one would think it would end BITCH FIGHTS.
I never get that quote wrong, pawlie.
Bitch
I gotta go to da bafroom
Flav, your new rules are going to be interesting. Oddly, the threat of closing down the joint yesterday seemed to calm things down on their own. But…probably a temporary situation. Seems like more work then you originally intended. But it’s hard to resist suggestions when they’re done with a limey accent (BITCH FIGHT!!)
What a fucking game last night. I envy youse whats going to today’s game. I hope it’s cold and foggy and misty at the park whilst I watch in my warm and cozy one room apartment (BITCH FIGHT!)
Of course, that’s just one room away from homelessness.
Wasn’t able to see the game last night but I can see Timmy hit Blake twice. How did that play with the Dodgers? Is there cause to expect more in retaliation? Or was it all just incidental contact?
I’ve taken part in plenty of bitch fights. I’m held to the same stardards. If I don’t stop after a few back and forths I’ll send my own ass to the box
BF – nice to see the heat cranked up on your hatred for the Dodgers. Now…if they can find a way to keep Lasorda out of our stands regardless of cause, all the better.
Timmy is going to get a rep as Dodger beat down artisit….nothing wrong with that. Keep firing away.
Can you send Brain Sabean to the box if he doesn’t pull off a deal please?
Dodgers eerily close to getting both Lily and Theriot. I know that ain’t much, but it’s something. Heard this morning that 29 of Bautista’s 31 HRs have been to left. Those stoopid Chevron Cars could use some company. Adrianza + a Bowker Gang member could get it done. Just Do it!
It sounds good to me, BF. Glad to see the blog is sticking around. Now, if only Zits can show up with his A game today…
The Pads and Bums are wheeling and dealing, time to come to the party. Molina was an ‘addition by subtraction’. If thats going to be the philosophy, then Zambrano just said he would accept a trade so perfect opportunity to move Rowand. That opens up the ability to trade Dirty for that big bat they need (and anyone saying they don’t based on one month of hitting productivity hasn’t been watching the other months).
Friars look to get Ryan Ludwick soon. Jesus H. Christ. Do something!
DMD – what are the odds Sabean actually pulls off a RELEVANT trade? They have 3.5 hours.
Would rather have Dunn or W’ham than Bautista, he came out of relative obscurity and began hitting homeruns 2nd half last year. He was never a ‘power guy’ in AZ so a little curious where he suddenly found his stroke? Unless he’s gone all Torres on them.
It might actually be easier to get a deal done AFTER the trading deadline when players must clear waivers first. Huff was a waiver trade to Detroit last year. Other teams are not likely to make a waiver claim to block a trade when it means adding salary. The overall price of trading pieces goes down as a result.
Unless Sabean can get the right deal, there’s no hurry.
Good point DadddyO. Giants won’t have a problem adding salary, but they are not willing to give up a SP or top prospects.
‘Unless Sabean can get the right deal, there’s no hurry’ – I think that is an excerpt from page 3 of The Giants Way. You’ll find similar quotations throughout the bookin the sections dealing with roster philosophy and game management strategies.
Now we’re asking the Snakes about Kelly Johnson. Nice knowing ya Mole Man.
Mole Man?
Playful nickname for Freddy Sanchez.
Snakes rejected Joe Martinez + for Johnson. That’s a shocker. We should have added a metal detector.
ither way, Sabean will probably be cirticized. Last yr everyone was screaming for him to make a deal, then screaming that he gave up too much in Barnes and ALderson.
Lots of rumors floating with just a few hours to go….dodgers trying to deal Manny…
Kelly Johnson to the Giants maybe flipping him to Toronto?
Seems like a good plan to me. Being civil to others seems like a decent idea. Name calling and insults should not be overdone. It’s like cooking, if something is overdone it ain’t good.
What do you know about cooking? I’d bet my bottom dollar your place is full of empty take-out cartons and well, empties. Next beer is on me Nipper if Sabean gets us an arm or a bat. If he gets us nothing, I’m cutting us both off.
Just great the freaking Padres just acquired Ryan Ludwick.Stop kicking tires Sabean and get something DUNN.
Time for sabean to make his job-saving trade. If we miss the playoffs after all but the Giants re-tool he should finally be gone.
After last nite I have to admit we need a lefty in the BP.
Would love to see Pickle’s fantasy regarding Rowand and sanchez come to pass. Rowand is just too valuable to sit on the bench. he can help some teams in a small east coast park. Cubs would be pefect. I still say a SS is a primary need. Uribe could rotate between 3rd, SS and 2nd. All four should be rested for the rest of the year.
From Baggs:
Juan Uribe out a couple days with a tight hammy. No word on Brian Wilson yet.
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
RF Huff
1B Posey
LF Burrell
3B Sandoval
SS Renteria
C Whiteside
P Zito
Bring me the head of Kelly Johnson, Scott Downs and Jose Bautista. I’m feeling greedy.
Get a SS!!!!! Both Renteria and Uribe fighting injuries all year.Renteria on DL twice with hammy and groin,Uribe hammy and elbow and other nagging injuries all year.Can’t expect to finish the season with both of them healthy.Drew or Brignac now Sabean,WTF.
Actually, considering that they are on my fantasy team and doing NOTHING, I think it’s great if the Pads or Dodgers pick up Theriot or Ludwick. I can’t imagine that the players can overcome the jinx of playing for Ferretball! Bwa ha ha!!!
Well, Kat, one SS/2B is off the list: According to Jim Bowden (XM Radio), Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot have been traded to the Dodgers. Now they’re trying to unload Manny. Don’t even think about it Brian.
Come on, do you guys really want sabean trading again? After last July? Fuck that. I’m glad he’s stuck right now,our future will be better off for it— both long and short term
Dammit i forgot to record the game. We’re gonna be in sect 101 row 12. That next to the brick wall, lots of foul balls go there. I want to catch me one of those bad boys and I want it to be recorded
Can one of u guys do me a favor and look back to where nasty’s son said they’d be today? I forgot to check. Missed the 1030 train too so as u can see I’m fuckin on it this morning
Ryan Theriot and Miquel Tejada? We should be rejoicing, those guys fucking suck.
Ted Lilly is decent, and it’s going to take more than 1 decent starter to turn the Dodgers around. He’d be a nice AAA starter for the Giants.
Well, whatever. You’ll never see me in your “penalty box” because I never start these “bitch fights”. If your rule keeps the usual suspects from starting them, there won’t be problems. I’m not naming names and I will no longer address posters by name so anyone coming after me WILL go to the box. Right? Good..
Last night a poster had a problem with my suggestion that Wilson Ramos was too much for Matt Capps. Without going into detail, it’s THAT kind of thinking that we can pray Sabean doesn’t have or we’ll be giving up Bumgarner for a rental.
On the other side we now have the usual confederacy of dunces saying a deal MUST be made but don’t give up anybody good. I will be quite happy if he can get that bat and/or reliever but the price being asked by bottom feeders is ridiculous. As I TOLD you they would be, Bumgarner and Posey are already, in effect, acquisitions for the stretch drive- we would have had to have given up one of them to get the clods some here think they HAVE to get. Here’s the deal: although the Giants’ farm is, by all experts opinions, far better than years[past, it’s still a small group of elite guys. And guess what, Brignac boys-THOSE are the players everybody wants. As to Zambrano/Rowand: Cubs aren’t buyers OR swappers. They don’t WANT bad contract for bad contract. If you really want Zamboner, you’ll have to give up: yep, one from the same list I just talked about. To close: Sabean RIGHTFULLY is not willing to deal off key pieces to the Giants’ future for questionable shoert term help. If he can pull offa Burriss/Bautista dea we should all bow to the presence of greatness, otherwise the team indeed can gon the postseason as is. If no deal for an OF bat goes down, I expect we’ll see Belt or Neal within the week and D-Train within 2.
You can’t bag on Sabean for the Alderson trade, we got the better end of that deal for sure. The Garko special? I actually liked it at the time but the guy couldn’t hit without the juice and it was a minimal risk move.
With every other team making moves, it is incumbent on Sabean to make a move if nothing else to show they are serious tot he team and to the fans. The mere fact we are standing pat is disturbing and this whole ‘protect the farm’ argument is ridiculous. What % of players actually amount to something more than just a mere commodity on the roster? The farm is a great tool for trade times like this – use it. For every player you catch lightning in a bottle with Bum and Timmy, there are 50 that are supposed MLB caliber guys that don’t amount to squat.
Sabes has another hour, make it happen…
Making a move just to make a move is how guys like Ryan Garko end up taking away starts from a better player (Ishikawa).
A poster (me) doesn’t think Wilson Ramos is on the same level as Wieters/Posey/Samtana and was blocked by Joe Mauer. I also believe Capps still has an arbitration year, thus making the “Bum for a rental” comparison invalid on many levels.
I’d be happy if Sabean didn’t make a trade. The Dodgers and the Padres didn’t get better. With improvement from Pablo and the bullpen getting healthy, I truly believe we are the best team in the NL west.
No. Anyone that addresses u will not be automatically going to the box. I think u need to read it again….teams are overpaying for shitty players right now. Stay out of it sabes….
And I agree, ramos is not in same ballpark as wieters/posey/santana… Pg you post to twin is about to get zApped. You’re fucking looking for trouble go talk to someone that doesn’t hate you
Flav….Nasty and his entourage will be in Section 104 Row 2&3 today anticipating a cold one!
“go talk to someone that doesn’t hate you”
I’ve actually heard that kne before.
Zambrano and Rowand contracts are NOT equivalent in terms of dollars and sense. Zambrano makes $19mil and Rowand is at $12 mil. That’s $14mil over the next two seasons.
Thx alley. That’s twice his son has promoted me to buy all nasty’s idiot friends a beer (or2). Fuck that but I’ll scout em out
Someone record the game, I am catching a foul ball today. Section 101 row 12. I’ve got. An old , back giants tee shirt on and shorts. In 6’6 u won’t be able to miss me. I’m giving the ball immediately to my buddy kid so wait for props from k/k
I said “anyone coming after me “.AFTER ME, not just addressing me. I see you might be getting that. I do NOT want you know who addressing me. I’ll contact you privately about this person…
As to Ramos, agree or disagree, that IS the pernt of a blog. But he IS considered one of the very best catching prospects in baseball. Put it in any order you like if that’s a BFD. The POINT: Capps has had ONE year as good as Wilson,one year that may be the worst closer year of the century aside from Lidge’s Meltdown for the Millenium. And he’s worth a TOP prospect? No. Period. Twins do NOT have a good record with their dealings since Ryan left.
Isn’t that the price paid for closers though? Jays are asking a lot for Downs. Aardsma has a high price. Capps has been effective and the Twins had a need and they filled it. They might even get a draft pick out of the deal. If he implodes and blows saves left and right, bad deal. Time will tell.
Black shirt not back shirt. I was gonna go suns out guns out wife beater shirt but the weathers not coooerating
You sure it’s not the “guns out” that are not cooperating?
No the safety’s off the guns these days, Dennis. Been obliterating the gym lately.
Ludwick and Tejada, two guys not known for their defense, move to pitcher friendly parks. Does anyone actually think this is good for the Padres?
Ted Lilly is decent. Ryan Theriot and Scitt Podsednik are not. Plain and simple. Did the Dodgers get so much better we need to overspend for two months of Adam Dunn or risk a recession of Jose Bautista? I vote for a reliever, if anything, and no one that costs anyone on the big league squad.
And I addressed it, from the fuckjng train in on. It’s a two way street, you talk about their posts they can talk about yours. That’s fair. I zapped him today because it’s the first day of the new blog and he heads right to you. Fuck that. Pickled gringo, there are lots of people to talk too today, go make a new “friend”
Cal I agree with u, go get a reliever. The hitters are going for more dough than we have to spend. Brandon league would work
Agreed. Disaee with your stance on suns out guns out. It’s not “suns out, guns out (temperature permitting)”.
I suspect you’ll do the right thing.
It’s a God given right to propose silly baseball trades. But make an effort to understand that it entails more than “I like that guy”.
Guy you might still see: LaRoche.
I don’t like that guy.
Not after he spurned us last winter. No way
Your welcome Flav….Shit with Nastu’s pitching record,which is horrible,he should be buying you a beer just by giving him blog recognition.BTW if you get a chance ask Phil who he got his one and only hit off in 25 AB’s.
That old saying that you have to give up something to get something is valid. My question, who are you willing to give up? I’m not asking for who you would get, just who would be your bait/player you would put out there. We know Burris and Ironhead Joe have already been dangled. Probably Ishi (I’d hate that, for some reason I really like that kid). So who would you trade?
Flat, thumbs up on the new rules. Does anyone knos if Can Kelly Johnson play short?
I will be chilling by the pool with XM on the game since we get no TV till the shock of a Sunday night game.
People will pan Bochy for this, but Henry Schulmans last three tweets quoting Boch are absolutely spot on.
Urban said we’re NOT getting Downs or Johnson. I dunno. *I* think the Friars got better. Ryan Ludwick improves their lineup. Shit, someone off of Flavor’s softball team would improve their lineup. Friars, Dodgers, Phillies, Cards (Westbrook) all have improved IMO. Call back the Snakes and say “pretty please” this time when mentioning “Iron Head” Joe. Call back the Jays and add the “cherry on top” for Downs. Please.
Kelly cannot play ss… Bozo. Exactly. There’s no one out there this deadline that I have any interest in giving up anything good for…
Posednik is not DECENT? He’s a little more than that, Cal. But as I posted when they got him: can he pitch? Lilly can, a bit, but none of these moves are enough to justify the notion from the usual clan that Sabean MUST DEAL to keep pace. Absurd. You deal if it can make you ENOUGH better in the weak area to compensate for the weakening of another area. This is not commonly understood by Room B. It’s not JUST about JSanchez. It then becomes about Bumgarner and his inning limitation, Todd Wellemeyer and his overall suckitude, and Zitman and whether he’s REALLY trustworthy.
Brandon league is available for much less than downs. I’d totally take dotel for the 8th inn for one year and he’d cost nothing…
Posednik wouldve been a nice addition. I didn’t bother to check on the value he brought the royals. But that’s s good measure. Who is equivalent to what the dogs gave up?
You’d all take LaRoche in a fucking heatbeat if he didn’t cost one of the untouchables. Don’t be ridiculous, you don’t want him because he turned down the first date? One kiss and you’re back in. Too funny.
No I Meant that I don’t think sabean will go after him. Pride thing. And he IS the type of guy who would let that get in the way.
From Henry:
‘Just heard Corey Hart to Giants might be resurrected at the last minute. J. Bautista/Kelly Johnson/S. Downs also in play.”
too funny…Read “J Sanchez getting hugs in the dugout…Giants do something?”
Well it IS San Francisco. Don’t read too much into that 🙂
Yanks just acquired Kerry Wood. I guess they were a little light in the “soon to land on the DL dept.”
Heard Andre Either won’t be in the LU.Left for the birth of his child.
I hope the kid grows up resent his father and become a Giants fan to spite him!
to resent
Dodgers got Lilly from the Cubbies.
For Blake DeWitt . . .
Also got Theriot, Chuck.
Martinez for Javier Lopez?
I sure the hell hope they didn’t trade Dirty. That’ll make “The Todd” our #4 (when they limit Bum) and Joe our #5. BFE wasn’t too far off when calling Wellemeyer our “#2 starter.”
Joe isn’t even on our team anymore.
Ludwick to the Pads . . .
jcrasnick: If Giants do anything by deadline, it’ll be low-key. Heard chances are “5-10 percent” they’ll add impact bat. Prices too steep.
Anyone sad to see Martinez go?
Joe pitched 2 days ago, Cal.
CSN is reporting the Giants traded RHP Joe Martinez to the Pirates for LHP Javier Lopez.