Timmy’s Hair and the MAIN reason he’s Been Losing Lately……
I’ve had to do a lot of driving this week, I’ve been catching more of the Idiot and Mac show than usual in the mornings. One of them is gone for the week, not sure which one. Anyway, the remaining idiot has spent a lot of time this week saying he’s getting a TON of emails from fans that are upset about Timmy’s hair and identifying that as his main problem. I know we give him grief about his hair but does anyone here think it’s contributing to his recent streak of mediocrity?
Personally, I don’t think that has anything to do with it and can’t believe there are fans out there who think his hair has become his downfall. But Mac (or Murph) has been talking about it all week. Obsessing on it, really…….
Timmy’s got bigger fish to fry than how often he visits his hair stylist. Tomorrow’s pitcher is Barry Enright. Besides pitching very effectively this year (he’s a “6 inning guy” with a nice ERA of 2.73) he’s also the guy who was 2 for 2 against Tim on July 25th. I hope he’s devised a plan to somehow get Babe Ruth out……
Here’s why Tim has had problems recently: The fact is, Tim isn’t pitching THAT badly. He’s often pitching good enough to give his team a chance to win. But his starts have become a distraction and it’s affecting the focus of the team. That’s why they aren’t hitting in his starts. Everyone is watching the radar gun instead of focusing on their job. I’m expecting the same thing to happen tomorrow–Tim pitches ok but still loses to an inferior pitcher who appears better than he is against our unfocused group. The same thing used to happen to Zito starts a few years ago. I know it seems like I’m giving Tim a free pass here, but I’m not. I’m just raising the possibility that other things are contributing to his recent string of losses. Loose teams who play tight behind you, a tightness YOU brought on with your less-than-CyYoung performances, are not known for being very productive offenses. Once everyone stops looking at the radar gun (including Tim) and once he gets better location with all his pitches, THAT’S when he’s going to come out of this and start winning games again. His fastball is gone, at least for the rest of this year and at least as we once knew it to be when he first came up. Everyone needs to accept that and just start playing good, focused baseball again……
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I heard some of the callers to Mychael Urban last night. Unbelievable how awful a lot of them were. Some had trouble even framing a coherent thought. One guy called in steaming angry about Sandoval’s error in the ninth, wanting to blame the whole loss on Sandoval. Urban patiently explained to the guy that Sandoval had 4 hits, and was one of the reasons the Giants were able to make a comeback; and that, in fact, the Giants team had committed 5 errors in the game, so some other guys had contributed to the loss, too. You could literally hear the air go out of the caller’s balloon. The guy said: “Uh……yeah…..that’s true…..” Wow, it never occurred to the caller to think deeper about the game than an elementary school kid would.
I tell ya- whatever we think about each other on the Flap- everyone here is Einstein compared to the callers on KNBR.
And the thing about Tim, I believe, is that those callers on KNBR want to punish Tim, like a parent taking away a kid’s IPOD, for misbehaving.
Tim, until you pitch better, you can’t have rock-star hair.
I could be wrong, zum, but most on the Flap don’t even seem to be type that would even *consider* calling a KNBR host. Sure, I listen when I’m driving but and I love the Giants broadcasts but other than Tom Tolbert, they all work my nerves.
You’re on to something there Flav. It’s hard to get a handle on, though. There’s a psychological distraction, mos def. Maybe winning back to back Cy Youngs so early in your career (and life) is too much on the old melon. Same with Zito for a while. Face it, Zito had one real good career year but overall, he’s never been an “Ace”. His Cy Young brought him an ongoing rep in Oakland that he never really lived up to. And he knew it better than any of us. Not till he signed that huge contract with the Giants and it distracted him did the kids finally point out the emporer had no clothes. Now he’s back to his old semi-competent self, which is all he ever really was, and Lincecum will come around as well. But Lincecum *is* an ace and will be again
And twin,
I just read
what you said
on the other thread
Walnut Creek? Too funny. Sad, really
If yogi soab turns out to be soph I think we can relax. Chances are anyone that crazy would have self-protective facets of personality that periodically turn the whole mess into the authorities for 72 hour observation and sedation. He’d be a sort of self contained asylum of several, essentially harmless to everyone but himself.
It’s entirely possible. Thanks, xoot, I feel safer from if not less annoyed by…him/her/them
Flav, I don’t really think all the hitters (or fielders, when they are on defense), are tracking the radar gun when Timmy’s pitching. They are focused on their defense. Recent events notwithstanding, this team isn’t murderer’s row. I mean, it’s not like this only happens to Timmy. It’s happened to Snatchez, Cain, and Zito numerous times THIS season. I guess we’re just not used to Tim giving up as much as he has.
It’s hard to say if he’d cough up a lead a la Sanchez the other day because he hasn’t GOTTEN a lead to cough up. He went 4 strong innings last start, but got no help from the O.
As far as the callers go, they ARE 5th graders, for the most part. You can’t fault their vociferousness in how they get their points across, no matter how lame or misguided they are. I was explaining the same thing to my son yesterday. He was pissed about the Sanodoval error as well as I was, but I explained to him that Panda is usually pretty sure handed, and his bat had a lot to do with the comeback. It’s easy to get caught up in the emotion, but a game, like a season, is filled with plays, and games, that slip away.
4 strong innings before the wheels fell off, I should say.
Wow. I admit to being stunned when I logged on to SFGate this morning and saw that the Giants had nearly staged one of the most amazing wins ever. Last I had seen, they were down 10-5 late and I figured it was over. What a bittersweet game, though. Great comeback and something to take positives away from, but damn. Tough way to lose it.
BF, of course Lincecum’s hair is the reason he stinks right now. Don’t you remember the story of Samson? This is Samson is reverse.
J/K
I agree with what you wrote to a certain extent. I think his command is the biggest issue, as it is with most pitchers who struggle. But to say he isn’t pitching that badly is off, I think. Given how high the bar is set for him, both by his record and numbers and by fan’s expectations, and how far he’s tumbled lately, I think he is pitching badly. The drop-off is troubling. All pitchers go through periods of mediocrity, but he seems lost to me right now. Given where he was, that’s more than a little shocking.
I think Roy Oswalt had some good points. I think Tim has fallen in love with his changeup and throws it too much. He needs to get back to establishing the heater early and more often. I also think he’s going to have to reassess his off-season regimen and commit more to getting stronger and improving his fitness. So far, I thknk he has relied solely on his natural talent. He keeps doing that, he’ll keep fading down the stretch.
Whether or not his velocity is completely necessary to his success, I find it disconcerting that he’s lost this much off his FB.
SF SP numbers are still pretty damn good, just not as good in Tim’s case as what we ( or him for that matter) are used to. He’s admitted to struggling with his mechanics, something he hasn’t done all that much of since taking over a rotation spot. You can trot the cliches of baseball being a humbling game or a game of adjustments, but ultimately it’s up to him to figure it out. His fastball is fine, imo, but command of it is not. Even if his fastball has less velocity or movement, it’s up to him to keep it out of a guy’s happy zone.
Roy Halladay twice in consecutive innings last night gave up a run after Phillies had tied the game and lost 3-2 to the Astros, at home. Wainwright has lost twice in a row, and STL just lost again to the freaking Pirates, worst team in baseball. Cliff Lee has struggled with Texas. Stuff happens to the best.
The big thing is, he’s NOT getting pounded into the dust. He’s getting dinked and dunked a lot of the time. He’s losing velocity early in games. He wasn’t doing that even in July. Which means he loses faith in the fastball. He isn’t striking guys out like he was earlier. Guys sit on the change and put it in play. Some of this is baseball. Guys find holes.
IS it conditioning? Or lack thereof? Could be. HE says it’s mechanics, but he’s usually got his fastball to start games. He’s been pitching in hot weather his last few starts. He’s notoriously a cool-weather guy. He’s in a bit of a slump. To say the hitters are getting tight because they are waiting for the shoe to fall is possible, but it soulds like bullshit to me. I thinkit has more to do with him tiring. Long season, dog days, hot weather, fading stuff.
It turns out the Cards are having problems with sub .500 teams. Their are 12-2 against winning teams and 9-13 against the bottom feeders.
Phillies lost to 2 former teammates Myers and Happ.
Re STL; That’s post All Star break..
“Hitting is contagious”. The old adage was repeated by one of the Giants yesterday or the day before and i’ve previously employed the saw a couple times this season. Off day today. Point is, these guys are still playing at home and they are facing a kid pitcher for the Snakes tomorrow night. Look what they did to the Reds’ kid pitchers, including a couple pretty good ones. So if the off-day doesn’t snap the string, this crew should get to Enright too. That happens and Timmy could be a bit sloppy and the Gigantes end up winning 11 to 7.
Needless to say, i wanna see Timmy get it back. Oswalt is probably right about the conditioning thing. Command, control, deception and painting the corners made a pretty good living for that feller who was pitching for the Cubbies in the NLCS some years back and happened to load the bases and served one up to Will Clark. Guy by the name of Maddox. Timmy doesn’t get it back together this season, maybe he should think of hiring ol Greg as his personal training coach.
Should the magic happen and Timmy throws at least a decent game tomorrow night, it’s my intention to go over there to the Splash and post the following message: “Timmy reverts to form”.
Chuck…vociferousness?
If it ain’t a word, it SHOULD be . . .
Oh, it’s a word.
I checked
I would like to see the Giants start the outfield as Torres, Ross, Burrell.
He started the season looking like a 2 time Cy winner ( with long hair). The problems began in his 9th start.
Conditioning does seem like a factor now and maybe he’s mentally fatigued as well. You never used to see him get visibly frustrated or angry.
Don’t forget Timmy should have at least 3 more wins due to the Giants throwing them away earlier this season. The other day on CSNBA, I saw that Timmy was playing long, very long toss with Zitoid. Pretty much from the 3rd base line to right center warning track. Word was he had gotten away from that, which he used to do all the time. According to the pitching guru Urban interviewed a few days ago, that’s the key to keeping arm strength and getting mileage up on the fastball — long toss well over 180 feet. The dude consults with a few MLB clubs, so he’s apparently not a charlatan. He argued that even a month of regular long toss now would add back 2-3 mph on Timmy’s fastball and increase stamina in the latter innings. If we see some improvement Friday night, Giants should hire they guy…
Kevin, we saw that Tues against the lefty.
He had 6 days off between starts last time and pitched okay for 4 innings…he has another 6 days this time…we’ll see what happens…
Only because he is who he is, it’s 50/50 he pitches well…if his name wasn’t Lincy, based on his last 4 starts, I’d give him less of a chance…
Max, yeah, and I liked watching Ross go from 1st to home on Pablo’s double yesterday!!
Statements like “Lincecum needs a haircut” reveal more about the commenter than anything. Dude is a grown man. He wants to sport the Dirt Head more power to him.
So much of the game at the pro level is mental and Lincecum has been rattled. His confidence is shaken. Probably for the first time ever. Conditioning is likely a part of it too. I think he’ll get a second wind as the weather cools down.
Let Timmy Smoke!
The way Timmy’s been going, he’d be better off gettin the other squad to smoke before he takes the mound. That would surely put a few mph back onto his fastball…
So far, so good in Philly: 3-0 ‘Stros.
Denny yells at him to cut the fucking hair ( in jest, I think) and I echoed it once, in jest for sure. But it’s not the worst idea. Not because he looks like a hippy or something like that, or that he doesn’t have the right to wear his hair as he chooses. No, it’s because he looks like a wet sack of shit when he starts to sweat, which is like 3 pitches in. At least fucking tie it. The weight of his wet hair probably takes 5 MPH of the heater.
“Don’t forget Timmy should have at least 3 more wins..” His W/L record is perfectly reflective of his ERA. He doesn’t “derserve” any more wins.
You’re conveniently forgetting the 3 games the pen lost for him earlier in the season when he left while ahead. He didn’t “deserve” to lose those games. Why the animus towards him? He carried the staff spear the prior two seasons. He’s suckage lately, but doesn’t deserve Zito style disdain…
5-1 Houston now in the 8th. Still wanna place that bet on a baseball game?
Once they got Utley and Howard back, who didn’t think the Phils were going to roll? Meanwhile, Houston looses Berkman and Oswalt and sweeps them in their house, holding them to 7 runs in 4 games. Bizarre.
Michael: Those games Timmy shouldda won were at a time when his ERA was much, much lower than at present. Sure, ERA and wins may have roughed out somewhat recently, but if the current LU had been behind him before the Break he’d probably have 15 victories by now.
Snarkk: If Timmy would stick to sativa and induce the other team to puff on indica, he’d be all full of energy and on top of his game while the opposition would be looking for the nearest couch.
It’s still bullshit.. He hardly “deserves” 15 fucking wins. You can make a much better case for Sanchez deserving more wins and even Mr. Choke, Zitman,.
Tim’s run support is 4.85 RPG, he doesn’t “deserve” any more than he has. Why all the excuses for him? It appears he simply slacked on off season conditioning and mentally can’t handle struggling (yet). Fuck him: tie back the locks, bow the shoulders, and boy up for your team…
Houston sweeps.
stix…who gives a flying rats ass what lincy did before…it’s what he does from here on out …
Actually, I think the weight of Lincecum’s sweat-wet hair is an essential part of his mechanics. Tinker with that pendulum and his balance will be fucked; the two-seam fastball will go everywhere but near the strike zone and the change up will spin in tamely over the plate as fat and flat as a BP “FB.”
You may hear this echoed by Kruk tonight. It is on par with the keeping the chest up analysis that “explained” Lincecum’s success over the first few innings his last start.
Well, duh! The weight of the hair assists him when he tilts his head back; that weighted tilt in turn helps keep the chest up, which means that the shoulders are square as he begins to pull the ball up out of the invisible bucket of highspeed tonic on the ground behind him. I saw it all on a SI video two years ago. . . . .
As per my previous posts i’m all with Timmy improving his conditioning. As for deserving wins, sure, some of the other starters would have done a whole lot better earlier on with better support too. Tie down the hair for the game? Sure, it might help. Hell, as far as i’m concerned he could hire a personal stylist to braid it and loop it around his head. Of course if he did that, he might have to borrow one of Bochy’s caps.
Anyone feel like harassing BarryForever now and again, he posts here as WBB:
http://mikesciosciastragicillness.com
and, btw: wasn’t it that pillar of shit Mychael Urban who leaked the alleged story about unspecified members of the Giants’ training staff allegedly ratting Lincecum out for alleged lack of training in the off season? That’s a helluva basis for gathering a goddamned scalping party together. Disgraceful.
Actually,the 8+ ERA over 4 starts is reason enough for the scalping party.
Let’s talk about the Ztman instead. Be honest: is there one person in the world who watched or listened to the game who didn’t know it was lost as soon as the Zitmeister entered? Don’t lie. I prayed, to no avail. I hate God at times like that. Shouldn’t he favor a team that has Travis on it?
If we really want to dump a starter, he’d be first on my list. Wouldn’t it be great if we could talk KC into the deal for DeJesus (as soon as our season ends) and instead of prospects they get ZWuss? Wonder how his shit would go over in middle america? And just like the Gamer, I’d pay anyone interested. Hell, the dodgers paid the ChiSox $10 mil to take Juan Pierre, and the RedSox were going to give the Rangers about that much to take Lowell.
Well, yeah. I was just hoping he’d only give up one, and that the boys would get 2 . . .
Someone once posted that the Kid could grow his hair until he looked like Cousin Itt as long he pitched well enough, yadda yadda. I didn’t like it a year ago, and agree it’s a bad look. I did the same thing at his age, and it looked much worse on me, and looked down on anyone who told me it did. In the famous words of Hamilton Berger, “Irrelevant and immaterial.”
I’ve always wondered: how did they manage to get Cousin Itt’s voice to sound like that, so long ago? Also, wasn’t there an episode where Gomez starts talking in the same “dialect” and they have a conversation back and forth?
I think it’s: “Irrelevant, incompetent and immaterial, your honor!”
Speed up the tape . . .
Speaking of hair, my nickname in HS was Cousin itt.
Think Slash of Guns n Roses.
“reason enough for the scapling party”
Didn’t the Henry Fonda character say that in Fort Apache?
Say it ain’t so, Pawlie!!!
http://tinyurl.com/2a6c6jf
Sign him up. If he can hit the opposing player on the leg from the stands, he’s got way better control than Zito…
Twin, I hear you about the Zitster. Here I am lucky enough to get home in time to see this epic comeback and out comes Z. I knew it was over too.
Lincecum deserves more Ws? What kind of shit is that? Your record is what it is.
After two Cys, in my book, Lincecum gets a longer rope than the rest of the starters when it comes to trending down the second half. And, I don’t mean hemp. I don’t get all the sudden dumping on a guy that was the ace for two years running. If he slacked off on conditioning, well fine, buck up and fix it. But, Bumgarner gets more heat for that since he hadn’t proved jack as he entered ST. If Timmy sucks starting next season, then it’s time for the heavy scrutiny and smart ass hair remarks…
Since when do the most talented and successful get more slack when they fail? That’s utter bullshit. The additional scrutiny and criticism is part of the package.
Since forever…
Gee, how about most of the vets Bochy put out there his 1st 2 years?
Yer daring me to metion someone, Mike . . .
Maybe Lincecum’s muscles and tendons are shot, like wax in the mythical wings that got too close to the sun. If so, and if his plummet is unstoppable, I can think of better things to say about him, before he hits the sea, than “doesn’t that girly hair look stupid flying in the wind.” You know, things like: wow, wish his FB still had that velocity.
Never.
Yeah, those big contracts awarded from past success always lead to reduced expectations, less scrutiny… unbelievable take.
Lincecum is the best pitcher in MLB for two years running, star of the organization, performs his ass off, then hits some speed bumps, he’s suddenly a bum worthy of contempt. Alex Smith sucks ever since he’s been with the Niner’s, yet he’s just a poor widdle victim of coicumstance…
Yeah, Zito didn’t get scrutinized very much after signing with the Giants. The expectations weren’t high at all!!
snarkk…the one who usually hammers the neg, “sticking up” for Lincy….that’s somethin…
The “heavy scrutiny” for him began in earnest on Aug 15 against the Pads, where at home, he had the chance to put us 1 1/2 back. He Stunk. The start before, he stunk against the Cubs at Home. The start after, he stunk against the Cards…
Besides, he’s been under “heavy scrutiny” for at least the last 2 CY years.
Rowand, Rent, Garko, DeRosa. And that’s just on the Giants. They’re *all* being trashed for “trending down”
I left out Sandoval, though he’s made a terrific comeback since the AS break. Offensively at least
If you’re comparing Giants performance history of Rohand to Tim, that’s “just a bit outside”…
I think someone needs to define “scrutiny”
Maybe Lincecum’s post start recovery time is affected by the lack of bong loads…..just sayin’.
I doubt he’s “lacking” bong loads. He just doesn’t carry it around in his car any more. So that’s not it.
Maybe he should switch to a vaporizor.
It’s clear what’s being talked about, Looie. The notion that past success breeds or should breed less *expectation* or less *scrutiny* or less *criticism* is laughable. And coming from Snarkkles, hypocritical beyond all belief. Yeah, I recall last year very well:
Snarkk:”come on guys, Renteria is a former All-Star, a Gold Glover, he’s had a lot of success in the league. Let’s not get upset about him trending down a little”…
Funny. That’s *exactly* what *I* posted over here once (though I didn’t use the term trending down) about Renteria. But I don’t remember if it was this year or last year. And out of morbid curiosity, I checked out that blog twin provided to see what barryforever posted for a team he actually liked. I read about 4 of his posts. It was weird reading attempts at actual constructive comments. But bottom line? Still boring
What’s the topic du jour, Timmy’s hair? I’m not one to tell another grown man how he should wear his hair. If Tim likes it long, he should wear it long. None of my business.
I’m not one to tell another grown man how he should wear his hair.
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Me neither. Considering I don’t have any
Go get a goddamn haircut! You look like a skinny-dippy hippie.
Ah, I feel much better now. Carry on.
You have nowhere to go, Snarkklefuck. “*Giants’* performance history” . Note the new weasel word.
I’m perfectly fine where I am. Lincecum doesn’t deserve the ripping he’s getting here. He’s earned some slack to falter and figure it out, more than anybody else on the squad. Rohand, Rent — they were FA mercenaries that haven’t performed from day 1. They had no slack to burn, except the size of their contracts…
As long as Eddie Murphy isn’t seen hanging around the yard Lincecum should be safe.
Nice USA Today article about Torres and Buster:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/giants/2010-08-25-san-francisco-giants-buster-posey-andres-torres_N.htm
Nobody really gives a flying ratfuck if Timmy wants to look like a malnourished transvestite hooker. Win 5 games between now and October 1 and no one gives a shit about his hair, his bong, or his bony ass. Just win.
Was that wife #3?
Say the same thing about Alex Smith’s last 5 years of nothing but excuses….
Ditto.
My ditto was intended for TF’s comments about Timmy. I didn’t see Snarkk’s Alex Smith’s remark.
A twofer.
a malnourished transvestite hooker.
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Uhm…ew?
Yeah, definitely count me in with those that despaired when Zito was being brought in yesterday. He has rarely done well in big spotlight moments for the Giants.
Everybody Giant fan was a doomer when Bochy called in Zito…
But who *should* they have brought in? Sanchez they couldn’t. That leaves Lincecum or Cain. Maybe as twin suggested, Vern and Vera’s loving son?
Cody Ross pitched for the Marlins last year.
How’d that work out for them?
I’m assuming not well.
Is there any difference between incessantly ragging on Rowand and constantly bitching about Zito? Seems a little contradiction there.
Contradiction? Huh?
No contradiction, except for the parties doing the ragging and bitching…
Well, at least Zito has made some adjustments and actually improved his performance.
Yes. From awful to mediocre.
You’re too kind with the mediocre, Ted. I had Zitshit at mind-numbingly dull and disjointed.
Huh?
Usually folks say Lincecum has been dis-jointed
(rimshot)
Well, a pitcher can single-handedly lose a game at a given moment. The other 8 guys can be practically helpless during a bad pitching performance.
I’m heading out to watch the Grizzlies tonight in Sacramento. A friend of mine just called with tickets. So glad that Belt just got the callup! Even better, Sosa’s on the mound tonight. Anybody else I should keep an eye on?
I read that Belt hit a home run in his second AB for the Grizzlies. I like this kid more and more. With September callups coming, I can’t wait to see what he can do in the bigs.
From Baggs postgame notes that posted at 2pm today…
Brandon Belt hit a home run in his second Triple-A at-bat last night. I don’t know if he’ll be another Mel Ott, but Belt’s special season continues.
The Giants had planned to make Belt a September call-up. I think that is still in the works, but the lack of 40-man space is more of an issue now that the Giants have acquired Jose Guillen and Cody Ross.
Don’t forget, the Giants also must find a way to get Dontrelle Willis on the 40-man roster, if they deem him ready to contribute in some capacity.
Wow, looks like he went 1 for 3 with 2 BB and 3 R. The guy is a machine. .600 OBP and 1.333 SLG after one game! I hadn’t been paying attention to the Grizzlies much and didn’t realize Jackson Williams had been called up. It’ll be cool to get a look at him.
swick, I admire your enthusiasm, no kidding, and I have high hopes and an enormous amount of optimism for Belt as well.
But citing stats for one minor league game as evidience of future greatness looks a little silly
You know it has to be enthusiasm that causes anyone to sit in the 95 degree Sacto sun for three hours, right? What really sucks is that I hadn’t planned on going to the game, so I’m wearing the nerd clothes I have on at work and it’ll be extra hot as a result. Fuck it, I just want to see Belt blast one! He started strong in Richmond and I bet he starts strong in Fresno.
I think his tongue was somewhere near his cheek, Ted . . .
Oh, and I totally know it’s ridiculous to read too much into one game. I’m not serious about that…
The Giants are the Wild Card leader again at the moment. Is baseball some crazy stuff, or what.
“Is baseball some crazy stuff, or what.”
—Johnny Carson, 1973
SD is also getting crushed by the d-bags.
Shit, the less WE play the better we get! ! !
Let’s play none ! ! !
How about one major league game, Ted? Everyone knows about McCovey.
I think a guy named Ted Cox started out 6-6 for the Bosox back in the 70’s.
Didn’t have much of a career…
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say the G’s have a good weekend against Ari…Who you all rooting for SD v PHI….?
That’s a really tough one. I think that STL might be the team to beat in the WC race. An SD sweep hurts the Giants in the division and a PHI sweep hurts the Giants in the wild card race, unless they’re winning, of course. Either way, I’m pulling for a split.
Anybody know the story behind Willis’s line in Fresno? 1 IP, 0 H, 1 BB, 1 R, 1 ER. I’m trying to imagine how that’s possible…
OSF is the official scorer?
Walk, steal, ground-out, sac fly.
Thanks Chuck. It escaped me that runs can be scored while outs are made. Kind of dumb on my part…
And Chuck’s scenario is made even more credible as there was also a hit batter so it could have been a fielder’s choice as well
hope Ari is doin all their scoring tonight…
Actually Cody Ross was impressive in his 1 inning of work against the Phils last year.He threw 19 pitches,12 of which were strikes to retire the side.He gave up a single to Werth, then retired Howard,Ibanez,and Feliz on fly balls.Not to shabby facing the meat of the order.He had a sizzling 84 mph fastball and also threw change ups and sliders in his arsenal of deception.(grin)
Does Bochy know this?
“hope Ari is doin all their scoring tonight…”
Hope we can continue to hit. Az sends out a couple of good looking young pitchers in Enright and Hudson. Both have thrown very well in Aug and this will be the first the G’s have seen of them.
Just because they’re good looking doesn’t mean they can…oh…never mind
SportDude, Kristen, and Kevin have added their picks.
At the time i too questioned the choice Bochy made of sending in Zito. My choice would have been Cain. One inning of serious stuff would not have taken much outta Matt the Horse. He had pitched more recently, by one game, than the Zitsmeister, but would have been less apt to put the runners on base for Votto.
A few days back i commented on the drop to the 11 man staff when Ross was picked up. My hope was that the starters could go long enough in home games, that 6 relievers would suffice till 9-1. But then who could have predicted the heatwave on the Bay, or that Bochy burned a couple of the relievers before that 8th inning rally changed the entire game.
But baseball is baseball and crazy shit happens. Some crazy shit i would like to see continue is the awakening of the team’s bats. Franchez and Sandoval stay hot and it will only take one or two more hitters to come through among Torres, Posey, Huff and Uribe, maybe even Burrell and Ross and the Giants cruise through the Snakes and Rox like shit through a goose. Of course a bit of positive mound presence, particularly from a couple of Cy starters, would help.
Four of six for the rest of the home-stand. I could live with that. Greed gets ahold of me and i’d want more.