Great Win and Another Manny Quit Job…..
After impossibly giving up that lead our guys really showed me something yesterday– They didn’t waste much time either, did they? They steamrolled the bottom of the 7th and re-took the lead in like 2 minutes. Very professional win and a fun game to watch……
The Dodgers really got their money’s worth on that 50 mil they gave Manny, didn’t they? The first year he gets busted for steroids and loses 50 games. This year he happily picked up his player option and proceeded to incur about 12 calf injuries throughout the season. When I first heard he was White-Sox bound I actually thought it might help the Dodgers along the lines of when the Raiders ditched Jamarcus (No)Muscle. But with the McCourt’s divorce case starting TODAY I think that circus will be enough to bury the Dodgers who are pretty much buried as we speak……
We’ve got 31 games left. Is 18-13 doable? I’m not too worried about the WC or the division. Either is fine. And San Diego has to deal with a 10 game road trip in the middle of September just as their young pitching staff is maxing out on their innings pitched for the year. Plus we get ’em for the final 3 of the regular season. With Philly focus and marching toward their usual spot in the post season I think the division is still our best shot at making the post season this year…….
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I still think the Phillies will pass the Braves and win the East. Interesting to see the Cards continue to fade even taking two of three from us.
So I see the Braves and Cards hanging around in a wild card race. We need to bury the Rockies from getting back into any race. We had a shot to get the lead down to 3 games behind the Padres, but as long as we take two of three for the rest of our home series and split the road games, I feel confident we will make the playoffs.
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u really think 18-13 is good enough to make it??! that would meant San Diego does one under .500…I think we’re gonna need to hit that stride that was there post all star break…don’t know if it’s doable, but the gmen always seems to dig down, especially our biggie, biggie O this year! I stll want to know when our pitching is going to look like our pitching;)
If we do win two of three at home and split the road games, we will go exactly 18-13 for the remainder of the year. Giving us 90 wins.
I had us winning 93 in Twin’s pool, so I think we will out perform .500 on the road. We can easily take two in LA and we have always played well in AZ. We need some revenge after this weekend.
good points gh…2 o 3 at home and .500 on the road should do it!! would love to take tonite against the rox…the torture is killing me!
Wish I was as sanguine about the G’ playoff chances. I predicted 90 wins, but was figuring they would take 7 of 9 from the Snakes. They were going to have their hands full with the Rockies, Dodgers and Padres, but Az?
I was relieved they won yesterday, nothing more. This was a game that shouldn’t have been that close.
Kudos to FSanchez, equally deserving of POTG. He’s had 2 huge weeks with the bat and continued to play flawless defense.
Make up your mind, Raymond
I wished I felt as sanguine about their playoff chances. I predicted 90, but was figuring on 7 of 9 against Az. Anyone feel comfortable about the 6 left with them now? And you know no matter what, the Dodgers will be up for spoiling the party.
Yesterday’s game shouldn’t have been that close. They had better fucking pick it up.
Kudos to FSanchez, equally deserving of POTG.
I agree about Atl, who has a knack for coming from behind.
Everything is doable. Pads and Cards in a slide; SD got out pitched by Philly in their own yard, and STL lost series to Pirates and Nats. Should be a great fight to the finish, all 3 divisions and the WC. Pitching will tell, esp on the upcoming road trip. If the Rox have a run left they will have to show it on the road, where they have been awful this year 25-40.
Mike’s 8:23 from last night echoed a thought of mine: after having watched LaRoche this weekend, what do you think of this guy now? He’ll be FA again and maybe feels better about putting up numbers and opportunity to win here. Huff’s season has changed my thoughts about type of LH that can prosper at ATT.
Fuck Manny and all the dreadlock 99 wearing bandwagon asshole fans of his. Pretty interesting to waive this guy (esp if it is for nothing) after making moves to acquire Theriot Lilly Barajas and Posednik to improve your team and your chances…did you catch his one pitch AB yesterday?
Can anyone explain the problem of RED HOT bats and then going STONE COLD. that is the most annoying thing about the Giants right now for me. Also don’t count on the D’backs just rolling over, it showed this weekend, they know they are out of it, and for most teams that are out of it they play looser, and they are just padding their individual stats. The best thing for the Giants would be to be playing against contenders. IMO
Actually, the “18-13” thing was just considering my overall win total pick of 90 that i had before the season started.
Well the bright side of AZ playing so well against us is that they then have confidence and motivation to kick Friar ass at home. Can we then kick the snot out of the Dodgers?
They could be in full implode mode by next weekend?
Did they waive Lilly? I would grab him in case we need to rest the Bum after his last start and to keep him out of the Padres, Reds or Braces hands.
Lilly may be needed in our rotation next year of they make a move.
waivers mean nothing unless the team that places the player on wants to move him….Lilly has NO chance of getting here that way…
Dodgers dont want to move him? The Giants should claim him regardless if they actually get him to block those others from getting him…
On the cusp of callup time and there are at least two guys not on the 40-man who should get to The Show. Brandon Belt has crushed minorleague pitching in his first year in O.B. He looks to be a 5-tool player and even if ineligible for the post-season, could introject some excitement into the LU. Steve Edlefsen has been well and away the best reliever for Fresno this season.
Couple guys currently stinking up the 40-man at present are Guillermo Mota, who is currently on the DL and should get a DFA and Edgar Renteria who just cannot seem to stay off the DL. Giants might as well cut ties with him as well.
Eugenio Velez and Alex Hinshaw are a couple more guys on the 40-man who do not look like bright lights in the Giants future. I notice where Kevin Pucetas’ status is “Reassigned”. So maybe he’s the PTBNL to K.C. in the Guillen deal. Frankly, i’d like to see Mota DFAed today or tomorrow and Edlefsen brought up even before Runzler. Any event the bullpen saved the team’s ass in August and needs a couple fresh arms.
Belt’s road to the bigs may have hit a snag. Just 1 for 17 w/6 BB, 6 K’s at Fresno.
This has to be one of the most unpredictable Giants team that I’ve seen in sometime. This team could make it to the playoffs and be one and done, or they could make it and win the whole damn thing.
A Mr Toad’s Wild Ride in the making, hold on to your hats.
Let’s not get too crazy Bozo about winning the whole thing…we get to the playoffs, great accomplishment. Fix th epithcing, add the real cleanup guy we need and we make a serious run for a title over the next two years…
GH – We’re making the playoffs, not a doubt in my mind (OK I lied, I do have a few doubts but I’m not thinking about them). How far we go depends on how many cylinders we’re running on at the end.
I do agree, with some critical moves in the off season (some of those are on the team now). We could be looking at a team making a lot of noise over the next few years.
I can’t argue with the POTG. But I jusr as easily could have accepted Cain or Sanchez
Joe Torre was right.”Manny Ramirez will be in the lineup monday no matter what” he never said with whom….Muhahahahahaha
Carl Crawford’s HR last night gave him an even 100 homers and became just the eighth player in baseball history with 100 HR,100 triples,and 400 steals.The other guys in the 400-100-100 club-Ty Cobb,Tris Speaker,Lou Brock,Frankie Frisch,Kenny Lofton,Paul Molitor and Tim Raines.
What’s shocking to me is not seeing Ricky Henderson on that list.Ricky only had 66 career triples in 25 seasons,That’s pretty hard to believe with all that speed.
He liked squeezing triples into doubles to have the opportunity to steal a base. Priorities
Rickey realized it’s easier to steal 3rd than home.
Didn’t see your post, Ted!
Well, you know, great minds and all that…
Call it an “incidental” meeting of the minds.
More like a” Vulcan Mind Meld.”
Just catching the story about who shoudl hit second. I have thought Posey has to be the guy in the 3-hole if he is back to 100%
1) Torres – CF
2) Franchez – 2B
3) Posey – C
4) Burrell – LF
5) Huff – 1B
6) Panda – 3B
7) Uribe – SS
8) Ross – RF
is how we should go…we need a big, big outing from JSanchez tonight! let’s go J.
Against De La Rosa, Ross is 5 for 13, 1 hr; Sanchez 6 /14, 1 hr.
A lot to address:
Stix: Renteria, if deemed healthy, will not be released and very unlikely that Mota will, either. They are both veterans of pennant races. Mota had some poor outings but also the best and most crucial save of the year against the Dodgers. He’s a cool head. There is also no way Edlefson gets the call before Runzler. Edlefson is hardly a lock to be brought up at all, they hardly need him, he’ll more likely just compete for a job in the spring. With Runzler added, you’re probably looking at the relievers you’ll be seeing. Burrell and Velez are probably locks to be up, just for their speed alone.
To all: NONE of us know how they would do if they make the postseason. There is zero template on that, it’s a 100 percent crapshoot so stop pretending you do know.
Eventually the 3 spot will be Panda’s again, as it should be. But for now, if Posey is ready again, it should be what it’s mostly been, with Buster in the two and Fruckie in the 8.
Belt: his slow start in Fresno should not influence the decision,if you can hit in the Eastern league, you can fucking hit in the PCL… most likely guy to get the axe is Pill. He went from non-prosoect to maybe and then back to non-prospect this year.
Franchez is currently producing runs at a 19% clip per PA, to go with his 707 OPS. That’s still not very good for a top of the order hitter. I wouldn’t bank on much continued improvement from him. The current stats are probably an accurate reflection of his usefulness, and his recent performance has simply elevated him from awful to below avg. Maybe he will surprise, but I think he’s better left at the bottom of the order.
In terms of a crapshoot in the playoffs, I think that is relative. If Lincecum and Zito are pitching the way they have, no crapshoot. We will more likely than not lose in the playoffs. One of the two of them will have to be on to pull a playoff series win.
I think we need Posey hitting third if he is healthy so he can drive runs in from that spot. I am not down on Huff and hitting 5th would still be important spot, but a higher on-base guy with power is a better performer at the three hole than hitting second. And Posey of late has a higher OBP and more power than Huff…my opinion.
But I agree with Twin on Panda, he will be back in the 3-hole next year…Posey second and Panda third for September? I could live with that…
if you can hit in the Eastern league, you can fucking hit in the PCL”
No argument with that. I still would like to see him up in Sept.
Max: I was supporting that be up. I just meant that his slow start there should not influence the decision unless his confidence is shaken.
“a higher on-base guy with power is a better performer at the three hole than hitting second.” The couple of line up number crunching analyses I’ve seen do not support this. OTOH, the projected gain of putting the better hitter second is not that significant.
mmm…Bonds or Kent hitting third was not better than either of them hitting second? I dont understand that analysis.
I am not thrilled with Franchez but if Torres is raking and Franchez can get on more with his improved hitting (what nearly .500 in the last week), that then puts a couple of guys on base for Posey to drive in. Huff has just not been consistent in the last 6 weeks as Posey has.
Does someone hitting .500 make sense in the 8-hole ahead of the pitcher? I am not sure it does make sense to keep him down there if he is this hot…
I think with any young guy, it takes time to adjust. He will smash the pitching in the PCL next year. As I said during spring training about Pill…poor man’s JR Phillips…
I see Guzman has been hitting pretty well in Fresno, worth bringing him up as well? I woudl think he would have some trade value for an AL team. KC sucks, why would they not want a potential bat? A package for DeJesus for next year?
Twin,I may have missed your anlaysiis of continuing to start Guillen ahead of Ross in right? Any thoughts?
Don’t see Sanchez dropping to 8th right now.Not why he’s on a torrid hitting streak,you milk it as long as he produces.I see them going with a lineup of: Torres CF,Sanchez,2B Posey C,Huff1B,Burrell LF,Sandoval 3B,Ross RF,Uribe SS, J Sanchez P.
This should make Dennis real happy: For now Bochy says they will activate Dan Runzler and one more pitcher when rosters expand on Wednesday.The club might hold off a few other promotions until Sept 6 as AAA Fresno fights for a playoff spot.
That lineup makes sense Kat…just keep the Gimp out of there…
I would not count on Belt being in the PCL at all next year.Many teams skip AAA for their best hitting prospects. I look to Huff being the left or right fielder and, depending on Panda’s weight and DeRosa’s health, Belt will compete for either the 1B job or an OF spot.
If you’re trying to fill in for Snarkk, GH, good job. Bochy provided the analysis of why he’s using Guillen. Why the fuck are you calling me out, fuckwad? I didn’t endorse the motherfucking acquisition in the first place. Eat it.
Bochy has already indicated that Guillen will probably sit tonight, so don’t act like Sophrodamus, Kat.
I don’t know where they will hit Sanchez for sure but they had their outburst when the Fruckmeister was in the 8. And who hits in the 8 is NOT just who’s hitting worst. It’s a matter of style as well. The runtfuck is fine in the 8.
And who hits in the 8 is NOT just who’s hitting worst.
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Correct. Who’s hitting worst is sitting
Sanchez went through a tough stretch there, but there’s a good chance he wasn’t fully healthy. He looks healthy now, is a former batting champ and is a natural #2 hitter. Until he cools off that’s where he’ll be. Posey most likely will hit 3 tonight if he’s healthy.
I was at the game yesterday and was shocked to see Cain come out in the 7th with a 5-2 lead, after striking out his last batter faced, while he only had 108 pitches. With the bullpen being so chewed up over the past week, did anyone else find this to be a bad move when Cain can easily throw 120+? Arizona had to be happy to see him out and showed it by quickly scoring 4. Has anyone heard if Bochy addressed this?
Being a former batting champ is not relevant now. We’ll see, he could leave him in the 2 but he’s .265 there, over .480 in the 8. And Buster is .325 in the 2. Unlike you guys, I wouldn’t call Bochy a moron if decides differently, but there realy is zero reason to bat Fruckie anywhere but 8 if Posey is good to go.
The reason I bring up the batting champ thing is because he’s proven he can do hit for a high avereage and didn’t just somehow forget how to do it. He’s a stereotypical #2 guy and that’s what they signed him to be. With as hot as he’s been, I’d be surprised if he’s not in that slot today, but as long as he contributes to a Giants win, I don’t give a shit where he bats.
Bochy has intimated he prefers that the little shit hit in 2. He’ll hit in the 2.
The team must decide whether they are trying to win the division or the wildcard, and adjust the lineup accordingly.
Adjust the lineup accordingly to the wildcard or division? You’ve completely lost me Loo
One of your best ever, Loo.
Isn’t the object to win as many games as possible, regardless of the WC or Division? Don’t see how you adjust for that?
Teams look to the last start, 3bag. He threw 120+ in that one. If you were shocked he pulled him, you shouldn’t have been. And of course, Lopez actually got the easy DP grounder, it just eked through. There is no controversy among baseball people on that.
I know he threw 125 in his last start, but he also had an extra day of rest. Seems like he would have been a lot fresher than the overused bullpen.
Twin, why are you always in a negative mood??? I simply asked for your take on things with Guillen because maybe I find your analysis interesting…at least I pretend to. But you automatically take it as I am trying to take a dig at you.
You don’t need think we are all out to get you. do you not think it is a mistake playing him when he is not physically 100%?
Not a pointed question.
What is Guillen’s OFERA?
Rossini’s The Barber of Seville
I thought it would be Tommy.
Take up your pitch count bitch with MLB, Bochy actually is among the managers who use his starters the longest, as the numbers clearly show. As I said, there is no controversy, it was the right move. Lopez made the pitch to get out of it, an 8 hopper found a hole. Move on…
As to Guillen, I’d guess Bochy would cite his .372 BA. I believe Bruce said the strategy was to try for runs early and sub for defense late. As far as his injury, he fucking had it when they acquired him. Again, they’ve decided his bat atones for it. Real fucking tough to show it doesn’t, actually. If you have something beyond blather and blarney, put it up…
One thing is for certain,this is a team that could never be accused of complacency.Lot’s of HOT and COLD,Lot’s of nail biters.First great pitching,but no hitting,then an offensive juggernaut with shaky pitching.The team’s Bipolar.
Hell, 108 pitches is nothing to sneeze at, especially with that stressful 1st inning, but with Drew ( who had hr’d earlier) due up with a runner on and just 1 out, Lopez is a smart move. Get the dp and close it out with Affeldt/Romo Wilson.
That’s a valid point about Drew having homered earlier, but I still would have taken my chances with Cain since the BP has been expected to do so much lately, and will continue to be asked to do the same until our other four starters can get out of the 5th inning. Even if Cain gave up another Drew HR, it’s still a one run Giants lead.
Why the fuck should I take anything up with MLB? I was just wondering if anyone else on this blog was yelling at Boch to leave Cain in and if anyone in the media asked him afterward why he didn’t.
How can you claim it was the right move when the D-bags scored 4 after Boch took out Cain? “Lopez actually got the easy DP grounder, it just eked through.” If it just eked through, it wasn’t an “easy DP.” Nor was La Roche’s 2 RBI double.
As I’ve pointed out before, the second guesser always has the edge in these situations because we know that the move didn’t work out and we will never know what the alternative would have wrought. A top amateur second guesser uses that advantage, because it works in Room B debate.. however, as Room A mainstay Max points out, it was actually the EZ-Kall Rite Move…
As with most Room B’ers, Bag confuses whether the move was the correct one at the time and whether the result was ideal. Stupid, akin to saying that Posey should not have hit in so and so situation because he ended up making an out. As to the ground ball thing, Lopez can’t guide the motherfucking ball. He made the pitch and a bleeder got through. Blaming the pitcher there is Room C bullshit. Now, as I said, move on. They won the game in large part to several other decisions that DID get good results.
I thought it was the wrong move and the result wasn’t ideal. So that makes it stupid? WTF kind of logic is that?
And I’m not questioning Bochy’s other decisions. I’m happy as hell we won the game. Lopez could have just as easily given up a gapper double to the fence as getting the DP, but neither happened. You saying it was the right move has no more validity than me saying it was wrong. In fact it has less, since the d-backs scored 4 and took the lead.
If I hadn’t been screaming from my seat to leave him in at the time he was pulled, it would be considered second guessing now. In this case, it was first guessing…I guess.
And wasn’t just 1 HR earlier against Cain, it was 3 total in 27 at bats and a much higher average against RHers, .333 against Cain. There was no fucking controversy because it wasn’t a controversial decision.
It was controversial because he had been pitching well and the BP was chewed up. Glad they won the game, but I would’ve liked to seen them win with Boch saving the reliveres for the two games against Col until the roster expands. Maybe Cain gives up 6, instead of the BP giving up the 4 and they don’t come back. I don’t know and neither do you. What we do know is that our pen is spent and tonight’s starter’s last outing was horrific even with a big lead. Hope Ditrty can get through 6.
Teabagger….er, I mean 3bagger. I was at the game yesterday too. Cain was coming on strong in the later innings. I thought he should have been left in and that Bochy over managed that inning a bit. I liked the defensive moves though and the BP match ups enabled that. Getting the W was what was important.
Torres sure was flying on that Sanchez double, huh?
Great win.
I agree in full…except for the t-bagger comment. I’d rather take much harsher slander than to be lumped in with that pathetic group of nimrods.
Lineup tonight:
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Burrell LF
Posey C
Ross RF
Sandoval 3B
Uribe SS
J Sanchez P
I can’t help you, Bagger. Easy to claim you objected at the time. Bullshit. Again, if you say a decision is right or wrong based on the result, there at least 27 fucking mistakes every game. If Bochy had brought in a guy who could be expected to fail, you’d have a case.But you actually have the fucking gall to say that Lopez could “just as easily” given up a double as the grounder.That’s total rot, pal. LHers were 12 for 80 against him with ZERO doubles, a .150 average. Drew had hammered Cain. It wasn’t just the right call, it was the ONLY call.
No, like Reno just said, I wasn’t the only one that AT THE TIME thought it was a bad call BEFORE the result. Call bullshit if you’d like, but you can ask all of VB305 what I was screaming. The d-backs scored 4, took the lead and depleted our already worn bullpen…but you of course are right…it was the right and ONLY call. Some logic there.
Is ThreeBee really another of the TeaBaggers here? Please tell me that isn’t true.
We have teabaggers here? Any birthers as well?
They will have to answer that themselves, I won’t name names. But there are at least 2.
Second guessing is part of a fan’s right, no argument with that. But if decisions are to be based on the ultimate outcome and since we DON’T know how it fucking works out if he leaves Cain in, I actually have to go with the Bagger’s logic and say that since they won it was the right call. You can’t argue otherwise without destroying your initial argument.. or you’d have to claim some Sophendolt powers and show what what have happened if he’d left Matt in..
It was a move that didn’t cost the game, but I still don’t think it was the best move for winning it and for the BP tonight/tomorrow.
I meant Tea Bagger in its original definition. You know, like a tray for your nutz…..lol.
Sorry, 3bagger. I couldn’t resist man. That one has been marinating for a while.
Yeah, saw that one coming…Oh shit, I think I just opened myelf up for another one.
If I were you I’d…no. Too easy
I like the lineup, as long as Franchez has quality ABs. I like Ross over Guillen. Ross gives us more speed in the lineup, and I just like his energy level. Now that he’s a Giant, I won’t call him Popeye.
I haven’t been to a Sunday afternoon game in a while but the crowd was sure passive. Especially that first inning. Place was like a fucking morgue.
It was a beautiful day at the yard and a back and forth battle. Cain did his part. Bochy played the match ups and came out ahead. SF got the W and that is all that matters to me.
It was dog day, so the bleachers were filled by fans paying more attention to the dogs than the snakes. Sundays never have the intensity of a Friday though.
OK: it’s fair to say you disagree with Bochy’s decision but it can’t be supported that he didn’t have sound logic and numbers to justify the move. That’s where my beef with many here arises. He brought in a guy who had dominated LHers to face a red hot LHER who had hit Cain VERY well, including an earlier HR. If there was any pitching decision I disagree with, it would be Casilla in any late inning situation with a lead.
I’m cool with that.
Don’t worry, you won’t be tossed from my contest for disagreeing 😉
It’s difficult to be definitive about turning points or most significant plays, but up to now I’d rate Cain’s getting out of the first as one of the 5 or 6 biggies this year.
If nothing else, for the fans, it relieved us of saying “Oh shit. Not again”
Although, I think I *did* say “Oh shit. Not again”
After witnessing Zito’s clusterfuck the day before, I was on the ledge.
No doubt about that Twin. Cain really manned up. The whole crowd was going doomer.
Regarding the POG pic. Is that Bee Wheezy’s man cave? If so, there is some wierd shit going down in there….
“The whole crowd was going doomer.”
I was almost there as well, Dirt. I warned Zeke that donut stealing was not a wise choice for him yesterday.
Fantasy League conundrum when you have two players on your team opposing each other . . . Should I be happy that Robinson Cano hit a homerun or pissed off that Trevor Cahill gave up the jack? I think I’ll walk my dog and think about that one . . .
Well….considering you started Cahill against the Yankee lineup, I’d probably be more pissed about that decision.
Fu . . . nevermind, you’re not worth it.
Get to any games this year, Twin? This past weekend were my first and probably only two of the year. I’ll have to check the Aces schedule and see if I can get a look at Belt.
Thunderstorms about 20 miles west of here and coming on heavy. Will be off the net shortly. Wishing the best for the team tonight. Maybe i’ll catch a bit of the late action ~ maybe not.
Why don’t you ask Gilligan and the Skipper to lend you their radio?
I’m with James on FS. His recent hot streak raised his OPS to .700, which is suckitude for a vet making $6mil, esp for “a guy who has won a batting title.” His OB is very low and he doesn’t run well…not great qualities for a 2-guy. He has made the plays at 2B, but he is basically the old Ishi argument—how many guys that don’t hit can the team afford? Classic 8-guy, good field no hit.
It’s not that you forget how to hit like that. Pitchers adjust and figure how best to get you out. The title was the exception to his other seasons, and the last couple haven’t been very good.
dbacks tie it up.
Reynolds goes yard 4-2 now.
How the hell we gonna score off of DLR tonight? His numbers vs us are video game stoopid.
Bloop, bloop, blast. Repeat.
WTF is that little shit throwing that ball? Idiot.
Krukow: ” Just Freddy Sanchez’s third error all year.”
Yeah, they all occurred in the last 30 secs.
Great throw and tag by the chubster.