One Win Away from The Money
82 wins on the season. The next win hits the over on *the Vegas insider* spread— they set it at 82.5 at the start of the season. I have that plus a much larger wager with my A’s buddy that hits once the Giants win their 89th game of the year…..
After 15 straight innings of ineptitude, the Giants finally scored a run. Fontenot wouldn’t be everyone’s POTG but he’s mine with room to spare. Plus I read somewhere once that wide chicks need props, too. 🙂 Anyway, he hit the ball hard all night with nothing to show for it. Finally, where so many others had failed he delivered against a tough pitch to hit, muscling it into right field. Obviously, most of the team was critical to this win including Cain, the bullpen and Sandoval for making contact on a night that he looked like he wasn’t going to come within a foot of hitting the ball. He deserves credit for doing what he had to do in that situation. I still have no idea WTF he was doing in that first at bat with the bases loaded……….
This is going to be a very tough game to win tonight. I’m no Lilly fan but he’s a lefty who doesn’t walk too many guys– that’s the death combo to toss at our offense. Pray that Dirrrrty finds his stuff and just hope for another scratched out victory. 2-1 or so………
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Where’s my credit? I leave the TV on Kruk and Kuiper, we never score those runs!!
Good day to you Mr. Flav! 🙂
Plus my official prediction is we score 45 runs off Lilly…go Giants!
Yeah but who was that douchebag with Marissa Miller?
Wilson is having one hell of a year. I remember reading one of those Bleacher Report articles before the season and the writer was bitching about BW’s supposed inconsistency and that he didn’t have confidence in him. Screw that. He’s lights out dominant right now.
What is the Giants record, 44 saves by Shooter?
48
Thanks Ted. BW has a shot at the record, though I’d rather see him not get it because the Giants start winning games more handily.
50 might get him one Cy Young vote . . .
48 got Beck zero.
Some guy on the Bleacher report posted this
The Andre Ethier home run was just the second earned run allowed by Brian Wilson in 20.0 innings since August 1.
Brian Wilson recorded his 43rd save…this number ranks 1st in the National League, and is tied for 1st in the majors with Rafael Soriano….Wilson now stands just five saves away from Rod Beck’s SF record of 48 saves in a single season. He has nine 4+ out saves this year, an indication of his stamina as a closer
No Closer should ever win the Cy Young. IMO
Not even Gange????
Sanchez has been a revelation, imo. Two years ago the league hit .257 off him, now it’s down to .208. He has improved his WHIP every year, K’s more and BBs less, and throwing more innings . Last 3 starts: 20 IP 1 ER, only 9 hits given up. His ERA since AS break is half a run better than before. I don’t think there is any question about him “finding it.”
See who Torre trots out there on getaway day, but the LH guys are the more dangerous ones to me, esp after watching Ethier yank one off Wilson last night the other way. Loney just has a beautiful swing, tough RBI guy. Keep the RHs in the yard and Sanchez should be OK.
Winning with the LU he had last night, Bochy can get the other RH guys in tonite, like Rent, FS, Burrell and probably Guillen too. Great times for the unlikely heroes, to come through in crucial games. Who steps up tonite?
If Cainer is a horse, so is Wilson for all those 4 & 5 out saves.
MY POTG was Bochy. I was beside myslef when he sent Ishi to bat for Cain in the 7th with no one on and one out. With the way the Giants were hitting Babs, I didn’t think they would score that inning and Cain would have been out after dominating the bums with only 90 pitches thrown. Man, was I wrong. A ballsy decision that proved to be the right one. Props to Cain, Ishsi, and little Mike, but for me, Boch won that game.
I’m still waiting for Cody Ross to show a reason he should be in the mix…..last 4 starts 1 for 14, one BB 4 Ks. Sf numbers are just abysmal: 35 ABs 6 hits, 1 double, 4 BBs 13 Ks. I dunno. Those numbers could get you Garkoed.
I liked last night’s LU, but for all the speed, the OF went 0 for 11…if these guys can’t get on first, then Bochy has no way to play small ball. I wish SF had younger and more athletic players, but….other than Torres there isn’t much speed to go around, and I don’t think it is all fair to criticize Bochy for not playing the game that way. He doesn’t have that type of team, esp after adding in Posey, Burrell, Guillen, and a nearly full season from FS. The way he does it has worked to the tune of 18 games over .500.
I’m sure tonite’s starting LU, even without Panda, is going to be full water buffalo mode. Huff really might be “the best athlete” out there.
No Closer should ever win the Cy Young. IMO
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Generally, I would agree with you. But if there were no “exceptional” starters and there *was* and “exceptional” closer, like the year Eckersley won it, I wouldn’t gripe too vehemently. Although, I still don’t think Eckersley should have gotten the MVP. I don’t think a pitcher should ever win the MVP unless they make centerfielders eligible for the CY.
Didn’t Hershieser win MVP?
Panda needs to sit a few days. He’s hitting something like .198 now with RISP. He finally got that grounder last night to knock in the run, cool. But, his previous two ABs with RISP were abysmal. That first inning AB with bags loaded may have been his worst AB of the year, and that’s saying something. With bags loaded, how can you swing at a first pitch POS 6 inches outside in the dirt? That’s just a fuckin dumbass approach, especially given the magnitude of these games where every run counts. Agree with BF, likely another cardiac game tonite with Lilly going. And Ross, after a first good game or two, is looking like siyonara during the offseason. His swing is too long, he’s a sucker for low sliders….
You can’t judge a hitter by RISP. It’s an interesting but useless stat because it relies on a situation the hitter didn’t create. You could have a .234 hitter with a .500 RISP. Go ahead and criticize Panda’s .263 BA but RISP is a weak arguement
WTF does that mean? So with your logic, with two .263 overall BA hitters, one with .300 RISP and one with Panda RISP below .200 are virtually identical? Baloney…
Ross made a very good play in CF, at a crucial moment, last night. Torres would’ve made it, too. Rowand? Possible, not probable. Velez, Ford, Schierhose? Well, even a blind pig . . .
Flav: I think these guys will handle Lilly. Depends on Bochy’s selections for the LU, of course. Who hits him? Guesses are Renteria and, of course, Posey. Maybe also one of the quiet guys.
For lefties, Lilly and Sanchez are opposites in one dimension: Walks. Drrrrty leads the league in BBs given up while Lilly is a total miser. Why does Jonathan have a lower ERA? His BAA is something like .208, second in the league to Mat Latos of the Dagos with something like a .197 ~ adjusted upwards to that level recently by SF. Matt the Horse is sixth in the league in that category as well as in WHIP. Except for August, Timmy has also been essentially unhittable.
Hoping we do not have to wait seven agonizing innings for the Giants to score first tonight. At least they are not facing Kershaw or Billingsley. The team has hit Lilly moderately well over the years, but the personnel has changed in many ways.
Pablo has about three offseason needs: Laser eye surgery; a strict diet and workout regimen and a sports hypnotist. Imagine the lead the team would have right now had Sandoval been Kung Fu Panda like he was last season and for part of a season in ’08.
Giants win 4-1.
A lot things can cause vision problems and Lasik(R) surgery only cures a few of them, I believe.
Without good vision, a ballplayer can’t be a hitter. When Babe Ruth went to the movies, he could see separately each individual image projected onto the screen. When Ted Williams was at the plate, he could see each individual stitch on the ball spinning toward him. When Barry Bonds opens his eyes these days, he can see the writing on the wall 400 feet away (“no CTown for you”). Either you got it or you don’t. (Well, unless they come up with a miraculous procedure. I guess it’s possible that in five years we’ll be hearing about various ballplayers scheduled to have “Pablo Sandoval surgery” in the off season . . . .)
I think with the three great players you mentioned, they had extraordinary vision and were extraordinary players. I doubt that many of all the great players in the history of baseball has such spectacular vision.
So it is not a question of having it or not to be a good if not great player. Panda does not need to be Bonds, Williams or Babe Ruth.
His problem besides the obvious eye issues, is that the entire league now has a book on him and they must all be sharing it. Throw him break balls down and in and he will swing, throw sliders away and he will swing. Throw fastballs chin high, he will swing. How often do they get ahead of him on the first pitch (looks like he is seeing a lot of fastballs on first pitch so pitchers can get ahead of him and he is always late catching up to them) and tyhen begin to throw the unhittable junk??? He needs to take pitch one unless it is dowwn the plate and then lay off the rest of the pitches till he gets back to a hitters count and start getting on base.
But I think it is going to take a lot of off-season work he should have put in last year for the full winter instead of going back to play in Venezuela…
It is time this off-season to adjust to the book the pitchers have on him and fix the eyesight or he will be finished. He again does not need to see every stitch spinning on a ball, but better vision and more patience should lead him to looking more like 2009 than 2010.
Didn’t Hershieser win MVP?
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Kevin, I just looked it up. No but he did come in 6th when he won his CY. Who was 5th? Will Clark (Kirk Gibson won that year 1988). Hershieser also came in 16th for MVP in 1985
Leave Pablo alone. I hate fans. Even worse for the online ones. I wish I could bitch slap them when they get arrogant.
Nipper bitch slap an arrogant blogger? That’s a hoot. Pipe down, Sonny boy and grab yourself a cold one.
Uh oh
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/09/16/sports/s104120D55.DTL&tsp=1
Glad he’s changed his ways. Previously he only attacked cats…
you talk shit about Kevin Mitchell, you probably deserve to get a dbeat down!
Can the Internet Hitting Coach crap, children…
Ross is actually one of the more likely of the acquistions to be back. Burrell and Guillen are bats only, picked up for that reason only. Neither are ballplayers. If Belt is all they think he is, next year’s OF is Ross/Torres/Huff or Belt, with Belt or Huff at first. If Neal can knock Ross to the pine, all the better..
Next time someone calls Pablo my “boy”, I’ll remind you of some of your picks for his May BA after his great April. He’s your ‘boy” as much as mine, fuckwaddos…
Well your “boy” might be pulling splinters the next few days. 3 of the next 4 are vs lefties. We know he’s not starting tonight, does he get the nod in the others? I don’t think so. Look for Raymond Burr to be presiding from the bench.
I already told you he’d sit against most lefties the rest of the way. Denny called for HIS boy to hit .349. You dumbass cocksucker..
Good chance we’ll see Aaron tonight, 8 for 22 against Lilly. Fruckie Sanchez should be in as well, Uribe and Renteria on the left side of the infield. Huff is just 3 for 27 so Posey at first, Vern and Vera’s lad behind the dish is possible. OF is a toughie. I’ll guess Rowand due to those numbers, Ross, Burrell. Guillen for Ross if his neck is OK.
“Look for Raymond Burr to be presiding from the bench.” Gee, the rare three-fer! A gay, fatso, and handicapped slur all in one!
Is that like a hat trick?
You forgot to mention that he’s dead, too. Bit of a handicap…
The Real Panda will be back, no doubt in my mind. I think the same as you Twin, I think Ross is the likely starter in right or left…
Which is the “real” Panda? Last season where nobody knew him, or this season, where everybody knows his weaknesses and he hasn’t adjusted?…
For Denny, that’s the good part, Snarkkles..
That didn’t go where it was supposed to. Fat handicapped faggot dead-good news for the Denny…
Sure didn’t sound like Guillen’s neck was going to be OK.
That’s why I said “if”, Chucklefuck.
This is LaRuss’a last stand starting tonight. I expect 3 of 4 from the Pads..
I think starting Posey at first is the way to go as well..I had suggested they do that during Sanchez’ last start to give Huff an off day. Was that the game against Richard in San Diego?
Uribe and Renteria looks right as well…
I am discourgaed by these dumb asses in St. Louis. They have flopped big time..Pujols has done little for 6 weeks…I have him on two fantasy teams, thank for very little Mr. Pujols. They are fading in their race when we need themm to stay in contention. It is certianly make or break this weekend for them, but I am not confident they will take three of four from the Padres.
Not only do the Cards have these four against the Padres, they finish with 4 against the Rockies. If the Cards are out of the race that week, Rockies will go in there looking for blood….we need to use this Brewers series to get into first and stay there…
Dennis why are you so mean? Soph is not going to like that!
GH, buddy of mine has Wainwright on his fantasy team, and the guy has been killing him with like 4 losses in the last month. Carpenter was ahead 2-1 last night going into 7th, gave up 4 runs at home and loses to Cubs. The kid Garcia got pounded last time out and Lohse is the shits. I don’t think we can expect much help from STL….not to mention, Rox get LA (who have scored something like 21 runs in last 10 games) next, tho they are on the road.
One last thought on burriss and Ford…I think bochy is trying to make this as positive an experience for them as possible, surrounded by vets in a pennant race, and cut down on chances they make a Jose Cruz Jr. type mistake that costs SF dearly. I think he felt badly for Ford when he got called out on the SB attempt late in the game last week. Unless it’s “garbage time” I don’t think they get in there much.
As always, Willie is a beacon of light in a dense forest…
The most amazing stat they showed last night wasn’t even Sandoval’s .198 BA RISP,it was that he has zero-ZERO HR’s with RISP. How is that possible?
Because he swings at crap pitches. So, even when the pitcher is under stress with RISP, they don’t come close to giving in to him, they can still throw crap from pitch 1 to get him out. The only risk they have is not a walk, but a wild pitch…
You’re easily amazed,Kat….
I’m going to help you again: RISP is a random, near meaningless stat. Over a career nearly all hitters end up with their RISP almost right where their regular BA is. Move on, you fucks only use it selectively anyway. If it were as important as you assholes make it now, you’d all have wanted Winn back.
Snarkklefuck is perpetuating the myth that no one knew Panda last year. Pitchers adjusted several times, he adjusted back. They are not pitching him any differently, he’s simply missing pitches he hit last year. No doubt he needs to get in better shape, mentally as well as physically. That’s all it is.
To summarize; I’ve insulted gays, fat people, the handicapped, the dead and Nipper today.
In short, I’ve insulted Nipper.
Not that there’s anything wrong, uh, wait a minute . . .
You should have stuck with Orson Welles. That’s just fat and dead
ZITO BASHING ALERT:
You know, it’s a sad thing. Truly.
I’m reading the Sporting Green today and there’s a section after the game summary called Giants Beat. Today it was about how the pitchers have all started exercising their arms more between starts, especially the long toss. Bumgarner is quoted about it, Lincecum’s opinions are cited and then a new paragraph starts:
Barry Zito has been a big advocate of long toss. He throws from….
And while I’m reading these words, my brain is simultaniously thinking “Oh Jesus, who gives a fuck?”
Like I said. Sad, really.
Johnny Sain was the greatest pitching coach who ever lived. He believed in pitchers throwing, not running. He never held a job because of his position on pitchers running, the managers hated it. Anyway, he was a long toss advocate, any kind of throwing, really. The pitch count issue today wouldn’t exist if we didn’t have midget, LL, and HS coaches teaching the kids breaking balls too early. That’s the issue more than mere pitch counts. Strasburg was 100% Tommy John bound, surprised it wasn’t even earlier… a kid who can throw 95+ needs three pitches: 4 seam. 2 Seam. Change. Period. He can add the breaker when his heater slows down and he grows up…
Who had Renteria leading off in the office pool?
Renteria SS, F Sanchez 2B, Huff 1B, Posey C, Burrell LF, Uribe 3B, Guillen RF, Rowand CF, J. Sanchez P.
Buffalo guys won’t you come out tonight
Come out tonight, come out tonight
Buffalo guys won’t you come out tonight
Aaaaaaand, play outfield for the Giants
LQTM
Looks good but I’m surprised to see Huff. I guess Guillen’s neck disc thingy is better, though
Are you kidding me. Rent a wreck leading off, that is as bad as Rowand!!
Mike, totally agree, if kids weren’t taught to pitch junk at such an early age there arms wouldn’t be falling off at age 25!!
I’ve seen Zito’s long-toss workout a couple of times, before games. He can throw perfect strikes from the CF wall to the catcher in the bullpen. Too bad he can’s pitch from therem during games. 12-6 FBs would be hard to hit. Like slow pitch softball to the Nth degree. Like V-2 rockets diving onto London, tracing gravity’s rainbows.
You’re one of them book-readin’ fellas.
“Fellers.” Back in the holler I come from it’s “fellers.”
I sure hope Vern and Vera didn’t make the long trip from New Albany, MS to see their “boy” Whitey play.
Maybe Bochy is saving Eli for that crucial late inning pinch hitting appearance.
Who am I to question the managerial strategy of one Bruce Douglas Bochy. It just dawned on me, Alex Smith’s middle name is Douglas as well. I sure hope Bochy doesn’t have Jimmy Raye trying to communicate to him what plays to run. But if he did, that’d go a long ways to ‘splainin’ things to Ricky. Lucy!
I’m making the call- the slowest lineup ever in major league history. Watch them go for 10 runs now to blow people’s minds.
Someone sure likes daytime TV. Perry Mason and I Love Lucy for example. As for the Giants, Bochy is doing a fine job.
How did Bill Gates get to be Player of the Game?
He swings a mean bat!
Swing? If Gates could even LIFT Torres’ bat, I’d be surprised.
Flippin’ like a pancake, poppin’ like a cork,
Fleegle, Bingo, Drooper and Snork
Rent leading off? This may be the slowest lineup since the elephants loaded into the Ark…
Check that, the ship’s manifest and log say the sloths really held up the on-loading, herded by Noah Molina….
It’s got nothing to do with who’s leading off— all are guys are pretty much the same- different shades of slow. If we don’t take some walks and/or hit a bomb or two we are fucked. A singles hitting LU with a bunch of station 2 station guys rarely scores many runs
Slow line up but at least Rent will have much better ABs than Rowand, he’s not an auto out
Note to the morons who dismiss the loss of Torres because he had a poor August: it’s a huge loss. They’re fighting LA for 4th without him. Huff had a crap August, you want him down, too?
Hey I posted that it was a devastating loss the day it happened
So why the defensive post?
I think most folks thought it was a devastating loss. But I did hear and read other folks saying “Well, he was in a slump anyway”. Probably the same people who’s panties are in a bunch with today’s lieneup. Whistling a Henry Mancini famous mascot tune
Because, actually, as I think about it I can’t think of even one post here that gave torres shit about his poor month. In fact, everyone thought it was a huge loss. U must be talking about your splash friends
Actually, YOU said it.
If Rowand, Ross, Velez, now Rent leading off isn’t proof enough…
After his first AB, Eugenio did work the count, though. Renteria is usually good for that. Fact is, Torres is the only lead off hitter they have, and one of the most valuable players in the game..
My hopeful post about a rowand revival in the midst of the torres injury was nothing more than praying for an ironic miracle. And he could step up, we’ll see. But it IS truly tough to look at how slow this LU is top to bottom.z
The line up, aside from Torres, has been slow all fucking year. It’s not much different. Lilly is susceptible to the long ball and he has 4 guys in the LU who have taken him deep, Rent and Uribe twice each… Smart…
Torres at least gives you a different look. losing him is like losing 12.5 % of our speed and it really probably is more than that since we have no speed other than him. I’m fine with rent leading off, I just dint really think it matters where the guys in this LU hit
It’s just demoralizing to see Rowand step in there to start the game knowing it’ll be a strike out or weak grounder. It’ll never happen but leading off Ford would energize everyone, and he could beat out a weak grounder
leading off Ford would energize everyone
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Well, we have no idea that’s true. What if he keeps striking out looking or swinging at balls in the dirt or whatever? Ford leading off is no gurantee he’ll ever even *touch* a base. That doesn’t do anything for “energizing” folks and at least Rowand’s got a history with Lilly
The game’s on NBC 3 outta San Jose…
We certainly know that Rowand energizes no one.
fans probably not….team mates? you know nothing
Rowand is not leading off. Find something relevant to bitch about.
Rowand gets look after look but Ross gets a couple of rays of daylight and straight to the bench. I’m not saying he should lead off but give the dude a few more ABs. Ah, well. Whatever.
Dirty is going to give it to the dodgers tonight. Right in the brown eye.
Go Giants!
Michael…Fontenot and even Burrell are better bets to return than Ross.
You should be sick of being wrong. I did forget about Fontenot. They”ll try to get Huff, Fontenot, and Ross back. They’ll low ball Pat, not offer Guillen.
thanks for the laugh about me being wrong….let alone often….we both know better.
Pujols finally did something…
I think Fotenot and Burrell will be back as well but only as occasional starters.
But Ross has been a proven decent commodity in the NL. He is arb eligible but he won’t cost us as much with the year he had…guaranteed he will be back and likely starting.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Cody Rasmus in a Giants uniform.
They’ll try to off Fruckie, Fontenot is better and they can platoon him with Burriss..
Also with Ross and his friendship with Uggla, I think there may be a chance to work a deal for him.
Freddy Sanchez would look great in a Marlin uniform…
I seem to remember the Giants being energized when they inserted an inexperienced, speedy OF named Rajai Davis into the lineup back in 2007. They were so energized that they went 3-12 in his first 15 games….
Twin and I with similar thoughts…who would have thunk it…Cards are opening this up…
and they’re wrong…
Are you going to lie about this one after you’re wrong again?
Hey computer wizz…go back thru these archives and prove your point regarding what you accuse me of sating about garko…until then…shat up
So we’re gonna start the Uggla nonsense again? Forget it. Giants have about 7 second baseman, and no SS. Han’s the man!
Everyone forgets DeRosa and his $ 6 mil…
not everyone Loo…
Yeah, Davis ruined that great ’07 team
is this fucking game not in directv?
The game’s on KTVu
If you’re watching KTVU, you’re getting a rerun of “Friends.” Rachel still looks hot.
We hit three “tatters” tonight. Who you say will do that Dennis? Well, if I must reveal names. I’ll go with Huff, Burrell and Guillen.
BEAT LA!
I keep trying to forget about DeRosa..
But Loo, I premised Uggla in getting rid of Franchez…who has looked better than Uggla hitting at ATT the last two years?
Fuck Hanley Ramirez…I don’t want to sign any player for more than two years ever again. Ramirez’ head and ego will rival Bonds and with less talent…fuck him. The shit he pulled in Florida and his recent performance at ATT where he only cares boeut himself is the last player I want on my team.
What has signing Holliday, Bay, etc. done for these teams?
Can we take a Mulligan? Son of a bitch. We’re really gonna need those three “tatters” that I promised.
Not the Start Sanchez needed.With no help by Uribe.
Uggla can also play first..DeRosa can play second and left as needed and Huff, Torres, Ross start in the OF.
I would still like Rasmus and let him beat Ross as a starter…Burrell and Fontenot will be each less than $2 mill signings…