Thank you, Tampa Bay…….
Isn’t it amazing what one swing can do? If Pat swings through that pitch instead of blasting it into the bleachers, we would be sitting around bemoaning our crap offense trying to figure out how a first place team could get shut out seemingly every single game. And yet….One swing. Glory. Destiny…………
I never get tired of enjoying Tampa Bay paying for all of this…..
Ah, how cruel irony is. Zitman on the bump today. We win today and we basically knock Colorado out of the picture since they would be 5.5 back with 8 to play. How do you fight the inevitability of Zito’s Law? You get to bat against Jason Hammel. The Rockies are stuck today, having to throw “dead arm” Hammel out there. If we win today that gives us 4 wins on the trip and I don’t see how we don’t steamroll this division with Cain going tomorrow and 6 to finish the season at home…..
“fucking juiced ball bullshit”– read his lips near the end of the clip..
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
Lincecum rubbing the ball down, noticing a it doesn’t feel right. “f– juiced ball b—t”. This needs to get play, and major sports news outlets need to pick it up and talk it up:
This is either some awesome pitching gamesmanship, or it is the beginning of the end for those unbelievable September numbers for the Rockies at Coors.
No more post season roster or shuffling the rotation BS! Or if we do this and somebody else does that….SF is in control, so finish strong and talk about that shit later. Last couple times we have actually taken over first, we haven’t stayed there long. So nice to see Lincecum not allow Rox anything (Cargo and Tulo 0-6 with one ball out of the IF all night), and the Earl Weaver strategy paying off again.
An old Mexican dicho says, “When you are in the saddle, ride well.” Maneja bien, Gigantes!
Thank you very much.
Lincecum straight up slapped around a potent line-up last night. With Colorado’s hitters discombobulated and demoralized I can see Zito getting the W today.
I think that the Giants should take a page from the 86 Mets book. In the Houston playoff series, there was a question out there of Mike Scott, who had been lights out that season, doctoring the ball.
So against Scott in that series, every good pitch that Scott threw, the Mets would have the ump check the ball. I dunno if Scott was cheating, but the Mets got into the Astro’s heads. It was a hard fought series, and I think that a little psych edge made a difference.
Giants pitchers should ostentatiously feel up every ball, and throw back every one that feels funny, and even some that don’t, and put some anger behind it, like Lincecum did. Get the psych advantage, every bit helps at this point.
Terrific clip. I missed that entirely. Must have been pacing the room.
Lol. I know that feeling.
A fanhouse article is getting some play at the over this issue. The internet works on click throughs, the more attention articles get, the more the major media outlets will want to get a piece of the action.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/25/did-tim-lincecum-get-a-juiced-ball-at-coors-field/
The splits are certainly suspicious: “Their (Rockies) OPS at home is .872 and on the road it’s .663. Rockies opponents have a .729 OPS in Colorado and .716 in other parks.”
That difference could be attributable to Rockies team being “built” for the park, Rockies’ hitters and pitchers knowing the park and being more comfortable there. It could also be that the Rocks like the little edge that they get from being in control of the balls coming out of the humidor.
Whatever the case may be, every Giants pitcher should carefully inspect every ball thrown out to them.
If Timmy feels a ball and thinks it’s a non-humidor juicer, I believe him. Bud the Car Salesman should get off his ass and put an independent party in charge of this humidor process. The umpires union is always looking for more work, they could have an extra one in charge of that, or rotate them in/out each homestand or series to assure independence. It could be done with a minimum of fuss and cost, and take away all doubt. IF the Rockies have been jimmyjackin around with this, and we won’t ever know unless somebody inside squeals, it would be a HUGE deal….
This issue has the potential to be very corrosive to the integrity of the game. After all, you have a team that has made some fairly improbable runs at just the right times. If Colorado has been doing this (and it still is a big IF, IMO), then at least one season has had the postseason seriously impacted by it. You can bet that the owners will want to do one thing, and one thing only: find a way to make sure that there is not even a whiff that the integrity of the game is perceived as compromised. That will mean trying to keep a lid on it for now and the forseeable future, and dealing with it in the offseason procedurally in such a way as to remove all doubt that no shenanigans are possible.
Which, from a Giants perspective, is a good outcome.
Lincecum knew he was on camera as well.
Beautiful
Somehow I think he was focusing on the task at hand and not whether the camera would see him mouth those words.
I just hope the Giants keep winning for our Dennis sake. With a possible Niners loss in KC Dennis needs all the help he can get.
Truer words have never been spoken, my friend. I need all the help I can get.
If the Niners lose tomorrow, do me a favor, and Send Help Now!
Niners win tomorrow.
Leave it to ol Dusty to mess up a bullpen decision. Somehow he got famous for that back in the day. Last night the Dagos had the bases juiced against the Reds and Miguel Tejada was due to bat. Ol Dusty figured that his man warming up in the bullpen, a Cuban defector name of Chapman might throw a wild pitch or walk in a run, so he stayed with the reliever he had on the mound and lost that 3-2 lead, and ultimately the ballgame as Tejada singled in a pair.
After that, Baker pulled the reliever and brought in Aroldis Chapman, who, in the course of striking out Tony Gwynn Jr. with a new ML record 105 mph fastball amidst his pitch sequence.
Only good thing to come out of that victory by the Pesky Pads is that Cincinnati, as well as Atlanta earlier in the evening, now both trail the Giants by a game. If things stay as they are, Philadelphia will face San Diego as the presumptive WC, while the Giants would host the Reds. Reds beat the Dagos tonight and its a whole nother arrangement.
Formula is simple. Giants need to keep winning. Zito-Hammel matchup looks mildly favorable for the Giants. Cain-DeLaRosa pairing looks a bit better. Can we dream sweep in Denver? Why the hell not! Staff ERA is now at 3.28, bettering that of the Friars by three percentage points.
Last night’s formula of dinking up Chacin’s pitch count by guys like Franchez worked out very nicely when he walked patient Posey to open the 7th and then threw that fat slider to Pat the bat. Tonight’s formula is to knock the stuffing outta Hammel before Zito even realizes he has a huge lead.
I nearly always agree with Willie but fuck that- I’ll discuss what I please. Bochy better be starting to think about it and if he can, the fucking couch potatoes can. That’s why getting DarrenMotherfuckingFord an AB is not priority. And we’re not talking Scott McClain – if the kid is any good he’ll have hundreds of ABs. For the NLDS ten pitchers is plenty, I’ll take a look at the prospective roster again later today. Close your eyes if you don’t like it..
Masset has been a reliable reliever for them, Dusty didn’t fuck up anything. Chapman was up to face AG.. a Flapper managed pen would have two guys with 100+ appearances, 5 with 20 each.
Sounds like a plan to me, have Bochy implement it post-haste. 100 for Wheezy, and 100 for LOOGY.
Flapper-managed pen sponsored to you by–Dr. James Andrews.
IMO, Tim was just saying fuck the Juiced ball bullsit, I am striking this clown out!! That was what was on his mind!!
Naw. He rubbed the hell out of that ball before he decided it was too dry. His concentration was just off the charts last night. He looks so much fucking better in his original windup and stretch, holding the ball down low.
Timmy’s the Greatest.I love the way he called out that fucking BS juiced ball on TV for everyone to see.I rewatched that inning and it’s so weird cause before this happened, the Rockies ball boy gives the umpire a whole new set of baseballs to use…and then this happens.
I didn’t buy the juiced ball theory since it would involve too bang people. But it’s interesting that tim seemed so matter of fact about it
I gave it some thought and I think they’ll pitch MadBum Wednesday as scheduled, his last regular season start. They’ll lleave him off the NLDS roster and add him for the NLCS if they get there. It’s settled. I”ll give you the roster later.
Go right ahead. Just remember on thing; if for some reason we don’t make it, it’s YOUR motherfucking fault.
So a 15 YO ball punk is going to keep quiet about it? Flavor is right. No fucking way. And Tim was just fucking with them.
This conspiracy would involve a bunch of ballboys who would have to keep quiet— no fucking way that works without a slip up at sone point
Agree Xoot,Once he starting rubbing up the ball,he could tell it was not only drier but lighter too.Really sucks what happened that inning considering Tim had a perfect game going into it.
Off topic but funny.
Last night the Flap was down for a while. So I went on the Splash where they post constantly about who was kicked off, how many times and who should be kicked off. So, for the first time in months, I decided to post there. Sarcastically, I said how I was kicked off the Flap, where *real* Giants fans and plugged the Flap…oneflapdown77.com. I went back this morning looking forward to all the troll, fuckwa…oh…I’m not allowed to say that…basically, I wanted to see what all the dickheads had to say about my post.
It was deleted.
There are a hundred ways they could manipulate the status of the balls between the time they go into the humidor to the time they go to the ump’s bag. Some could spend less time than others in the humidor, etc., etc. One other possibility is that they humidor doesn’t affect all baseballs equally, for whatever reasons, and the differences are sometimes obvious. No matter what, however, mlb needs to be in charge of the fucking thing.
Go Tree, kill Jesus!
Tree 34 Jesus 20
There must be a magic keyword to gt someone else’s post deleted. I made a post that said, quote “Try to control yourself”. That’s it exactly. Deleted as inappropriate.
I read that. I thought it was funny as hell. That was deleted? Fuck
JBat said, on September 25, 2010 at 10:07 am
Somehow I think he was focusing on the task at hand and not whether the camera would see him mouth those words.
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You forget. They’re in the entertainment business. Lincecum *knows* he’s in close up on the mound. If he didn’t care or didn’t want the public to know, unless he was an idiot, which he isn’t, he wouldn’t have said it. He wanted it made public. He would have just asked for a new ball otherwise.
Yeah, they’re “athletes”. But they’re in show business as well.
I’d heard Tim has a great sense of humor. Pretty good actor maybe as well.
That was a fucking DeNiro moment. Seriously. Think about it.
Man, what an ugly field at Notre Dame. It’s not pleasant to look at. Why do that to a football field?
You talking to me………….
…I’m the only one here…
Giants complained to MLB and the protocol has been changed effective tonight.
Excellent.
Fucking Lincecum.
More than an ace. More than a Cy Young winner.
A groundbreaker!!!!
A great actor!!!!
And…..
a fine little dancer
“It’s taboo for the Giants’ coaching staff to begin openly discussing a 25-man playoff roster this early….
http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_16169406
Baggs, Dennis, and I agree…
It would be taboo for Michael also…
Taboo? Taboo?
Let’s watch MONDO BOLERO-Narrated by Boris Karloff
It is taboo for the *team* to OPENLY discuss it, you fucking idiot. Baggs doesn’t agree with you on shit, fuckwad.
Your buddy, FuckPee just agreed with you that talking about it wasn’t a “jinx.” Must be comforting to know that FuckPee thinks right along with you. We all know what a great baseball mind that FuckPee is, must make you one as well.
Chew on that, you FuckPee fuckwad.
I don’t look, nor need “his” or yours on anything….if they feel it a jinx, so should you….the senior fuckwad of all fuckwads!
If talking about it jinxed it, it’s been jinxed a few thousand times already,you fucking morons. Typical, two of the Tea Baggers.
Vote Joey Votto for MVP.
But listen, I really appreciate the thought. I’m sure that’s what Baggs meant:
” Bochy says he and twinfan will not be discussing their postseason plans yet”..
Well, dat’s mighty bigya yous
There quite a few ways those balls could be put into play with out a whole X-Files episode to detail it. I don’t buy it though. Xoot makes a good point about a different affect on some of the balls. Didn’t Affeldt play for Colorado at some point? Maybe someone could ask his take on it.
The Giants don’t need to worry about that shit though. The starting pitching has been lights out and will overcome all of the BS gamesmanship in CO. Works some counts, take some BB, produce some runs and everything will fall into place.
Lovely. But besides the point. Affeldt would never say a word.
EVER!!
And work some counts…?
Fucking soph logic
You’re a good hitter..or you’re a bad hitter.
Same bullshit as RISP.
You’re a good hitter..or you’re a bad hitter
So, nobody can ask because Affeldt may or may not answer?
BB has been a real challenge for this club all season. If it was so simple there would probably be some better OBP on this club. Whatever Ted with your bullshit soph logic blast. Fuck off. Did I mispell some words or something?
How bout ROY?
Heyward 1-5, 3 k’s. today, 0-4 last night.
Was checking out Willie Mc winning in 59.
Was unanimous winner with only 182 ab’s.
Very weak field I guess.
1951 voting included 2 guys I’ve never heard of.
Mays…18
p,Chet Nichols? 4
p,Clem Labine? 2
You remember Clem, Loo?
Labine is a Brooklyn Dodger legend as is anybody on the ’55 team it would seem, but I never saw him play. My earliest baseball memories are from 1963. Anyway Vada Pinson had the best “rookie” season in ’59, but was barely ineligible due to his limited action in ’58.
There might be something to it, from Shea:
“The Rockies can no longer monitor the entire process of using humidor balls, the San Francisco Chronicle learned. In the ninth year of the humidor era, Major League Baseball took a big step today in overseeing the process.
Starting tonight, the umpires will have more say in keeping their eyes on balls transported from the humidor to the Rockies’ dugout to the umpires’ ball pouch to the pitcher’s hand.
The Giants filed a complaint late last night with MLB, and MLB acted.
“We did get a complaint from the Giants,” MLB spokesman Pat Courtney said. “There’s going to be a change to the protocal. From the point balls come out of the humidor to the umpires’ room and into the dugout, there will be visual inspected at all times.”
Regarding the Giants’ complaint, Courtney said, “They said there was a concern about the procedings, so we changed them.”
Fucking Rockies!!
But you know? If the Giants had that edge?
Fuck. They’d use it too
I don’t buy that and I don’t buy that it’s just SOP if it’s shown balls are juiced only for them. That would go well beyond anything before, and could mean forfeitures. It would be a huge scandal, not a minor one.
As long as it isn’t Cuzzi.
Dirt,Yeah Jeremy pitched for the Rockies in 2006-2007.And he did say he can tell a difference between a ball stored in a humidor and a ball not.He said,the humidor”Keeps the leather from getting stiff and slippery and helps you get a better grip,and you throw a better breaking ball.”
Without the humidor,a ball used at Coors Field would tend to be harder,lighter and drier,a hitter’s dream.
Remind me never to put a vagina in a humidor…
Humidorgate?
Torres CF, Sanchez 2B, Huff 1B, Posey C, Burrell LF, Guillen RF, Uribe SS, Fontenot 3B, Zito P
Denver has an annual 67% relative humidity versus 69% in Reno. That surprises me. I travel to Denver with work and it always feels more humid there. The probably get more anual rainfall.
Cool, I got POTD!
yeah, Lincecum just had a perfect game ruined and he decided to fuck with the Rockies’ heads. Genius.
If he really thught it was irregular, it would have been presented to MLB,you ignorant asshole. This would not be a minor flap, Rockies would face HUGE sanctions, posibly involving forfeitures.
So your meltdown tonight started with this non sequitur? What a fuckin ass wipe you are. Get control of your meds.
Michael nails it. If the allegations are true, and can be proven true, it is a monster of a scandal. My money is on MLB locking down procedures, and putting the word out that any public statements by players or managers is verboten. The controversy will be made to go away.
And if the Rockies enormous home field advantage goes away along with it, we will have our answer. It would be interesting to mark this date as a dividing line and two or three years from now, look at the home/away splits for the Rocks and their visitors, to see if there is a change centered on the change in procedures.
Red’s baseball: torture.
All chapman has to do us throw gas there’s no fucking way the pads hitters can hit his pitches with those shadows on the field. And he’s throwing off speed shit and a bunch of fastballs out of the zone. Fuck this guy
How the fuck did that just happen? Scott Rolen, may you rot in hell. Fuck you and your mother.
I hate the San Diego motherfucking Padres with every ounce of my being.
Obviously, you jinxed the Reds with your Votto post, you ignorant birther fuck..
Go work on our post-season [no jinx, God willing] roster, you “If FuckPee says so, I must be right” cause he’s also an uneducated, slow-witted boob.
What’a a birther?
A traitor to the USA.
A birther is someone who doesn’t believe that anyone born Black should ever get to be President. So the birther makes up lies about where the Black President was born, even when there’s 100% evidence that the Black President was born in the U.S.
…both of you are clueless fools.
Dennis and fellow birther WSW ( Fathead is the 3rd) think that a blog poster commenting is the same as the manager. These may be the dumbest assholes on the Internet.
probably worse…fans are the biggest frontrunners in the world…wonder how many g fans fucked the vibe at 5/0 bot 7
A champagne sipping Mays was culprit #1, wswin….
I did hear that Loo…!
What were your exact words the other day? “Politics are a no-no here. Especially your politics, Denny.”
I’d advise Barney Frank to adhere to his own stipulations, and then to shut the fuck up.
Its my contest rule, Dennis. I’m not in the contest..
Men like Dennis never took liberty overseas. They knew that ten bucks would get them offed.. seriously. Of course, “men” like Dennis never served.
Years ago it was pretty well known that the Minneapolis Lakers played around with their home rims. They were 10 feet high at the front rim, but an inch or two lower at the back rim. This created a sort of artificial cup for the hook shots that George Mikan like to bank in. Some teams would also use tighter nets to slow down an opponents fast break after a basket or looser ones to aid their own. Do you understand?
Thank you. I honestly did not know that. As long as you’re educating me, would someone please tell me what the Tea Party is? Is it an actual political party like Democrat, etc. Started hearing it a lot the last year or so. And why the fuck is everyone beginning sentences with the word “typically” all of a sudden?
So.. my guess on position players for the NLDS:
Posey
Huff
Sanchez
Uribe
Sandoval
Burrell
Torres
Guillen
Whiteside
Ishikawa
Fontenot
Renteria
Schierholtz
Rowand
(Velez, if they go 10 pitchers.) What do you think, Dennis?
I’m sure that’s correct, Twin. Kind of amazing that Eli was on the ML roster from start to finish this year (I think). No minors or DL that I can recall.
Here’s a scary thought. TYPICALLY your Game 3 pitcher starts Game 7. You get where I’m going with this?
We’ll discuss the pitching staff for the postseason ( at length) later this weekend.
Knock yourself out , my man. I just think it’s putting the cart before the horse is all.
Many years ago I was helping a buddy coach LL softball game, and last inning comfortably ahead ace pitcher on the hill, I started zipping up the gear in the dugout….which was ordered to come to an immediate halt until the last out was duly recorded.
There are occasionally times I agree with FP (and Debra Saunders even), who as often as his mouth moves is bound to be right once in a while. As the saying goes, even paranoids have enemies.
If I was in the motherfucking dugout, I wouldn’t discuss it.
I dunno, I got bigger and more important decisions for tonight; I’m making tacos, green or red sauce?
Green. More…envious. Red?…too emotional
Anyone who seriously thinks that talking it about on a blog is the same fucking thing as Bochy talking about it.. you’d have been the fucks burning “Witches” at Salem..
Matthew Hopkins, white courtesy phone, Matthew Hopkins…
Moly shit!!!
how ‘ bout that
Fruckie goes oppo? Fire the ball boy, his grabbed from the wrong bag on that one.
Mole had some juice on that one.
Take cover in dead center…
Hammels has nothing.
…less than
Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand…
Best movie ever Loo – that’s a cool hand.
On second thought, 94, 95 ain’t too shabby. 😉
I think they’ll put up 7 tonight…
That might be more than either your Chiefs or my Niners can muster tomorrow.
Beware of Mighty Melvin…
“Of course, “men” like Dennis never served.”
Now you’re questioning my manhood? You sound just like Soph when she’s disparaging Alex Smith. You’ve finally arrived, my friend. You’ve finally arrived.
Guillen ‘s D just cost us the third out.
How does Guillen not get an error on that? Or did he? Rocky announcers don’t tell you. HP ump sucks…
Of course I question your manhood. You are a traitor.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit taking Vicodin.
If this was a playoff game, I would get Bumgarner up right now…
If this was a playoff game, Sanchez, the third starter, might be struggling early and, I think, we definitely would want Bumgarner ready in the BP warming up. I’m not sure where Zito woudl be. Fourth starter, I guess.
No, Zito is responsible. And Buster was positioned incorrectly.
I don’t think Zito is going too long tonite anyway; looks like he’s pitching scared again. Just like ATT, getting to a bloop on the RF line is a pretty tough play. Only Torres probably catches that one. But tulo should not have scored.
Yungo!!!