Manager of the Franchise (Only SF Considered)
So who is our MOFO’Sf? I left a few random guys off the poll list. Can you imagine if we did this poll last July? SO get your vote on, and you can only pick one so make it count….
that’s a pretty sweet list of a bunch of guys who make up the history of this glorious franchise. And yet, there can only be one MANAGER OF THE FRANCHISE!
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Magnus, although I voted, I strongly suggest you reset the poll with Leo Durocher in it. What validity can it have without Leo the Lip Durocher? Durocher mentored Mays, nurtured him, and, ahem, was the manager for the last team to win the World Series. WAIT. CORRECTION.That’s Bruce Bochy.
Add Durocher, FW.
OK. You’re bringing out the editor in me. Now I see that the poll itself says SF MOF. So you seem to be addressing the SF years only. But elsewhere, and in the post’s heading, you merely say, Manager of the Franchise, not limiting to SF. Of course, now as I sit here with morning snow melting in the sun, I realize true franchise candidates would have to list John McGraw too.
Sorry I’ve ruined your day before it started. Solution? either add McGraw and Durocher and delete a few others, or add SF to all mentions of “franchise” (but doesn’t “franchise ” typically refer to a team’s entire history?
Go back to sleep.
In the 60’s, the guy I most remember was Herman Franks.
Max.Yeah i always thought Franks was a good manager.Winning career mark.Just couldn’t beat out the Bums. 4 second place finishes in a row,very frustrating.
there. I changed it a bit. “MOFO’Sf” looks better anyway……..
If it’s SF only, there is only one nomineee: the man who won it all. Has to be the Botcher. And yeah, what a comeback by the Head. Do this before Two Trips and he’s 113th…
Tough choice, but I went with the Humm Baby. I’ve said it before that I think Craig and Rosen were crucial players in franchise history. The team was a mess for the better part of 10-15 years before they came on board. We’ve had our lows since then, but never in my opinion, as low as some of the stuff we had to endure in the pre-Roger Craig era.
Personally, I view the New York Giants as a separate franchise—even though it is not.
I’ve heard others (such as Sparky Anderson) rave about what a great manager Alvin Dark was, but he was before my time. Plus, Cepeda hated playing for the guy and I’m not down with anyone who pisses off The Baby Bull. (Although I get the feeling Cha-Cha wasn’t the easiest guy to manage)
Dusty was great, but I never could over the fact that he was an ex-Dodger.
I got no problem seeing Bochy win this. He’s the one who got it done. I’ve spewed a fair amount of negative vitriol over the past 18 months on this blog, but never anything directed at Bruce. You could look it up—I loved the hire and I’ve always liked his style.
Speaking of 113th…it’s the 113th renewal of the Big Game tomorrow. I read where the Cal players instead of taking their normal classes this week confined studies to just Drama 101. They have to hone their skills so to better sell those phony injuries they come up with to stop play. Fakers!
I Voted for Craig also. he turned around a 100 loss season and he got a good team to the WS. Not a great Team but a good one. Those were some exciting times with Will the Thrill!!
My problem with the Hummer is the racially divided clubhouse he seemed to not just tolerate but foment. It was a long time ago so don’t ask for links, if you were a fan then, you should remember some of it yourself. Clark/Leonard was infamous but there was more: Uribe was disrespected in favor of Robby, the clubhouse was a group of ethnically and racially divided cliques…
I voted for “Blockhead” and didn’t even give it a second thought. Bochy put on a goddamn managerial clinic throughout the regular season and only stepped up and raised his game another notch or two in the postseason.
How Bochy won the whole shebang with our shitty lineup and NO Whitey on the roster is a goddamn miracle.
The hummer was an EX DODGER also.
As much fun as the Craig era was, there were some problems, as illuminated by Mike. . . . plus, they never even had a lead in that one WS.
And, Charlie Fox was the 1st manager I remember running the team as a kid, but he ain’t on the list. It wasn’t his fault Dave Kingman lost game 2 of the 1971 playoffs.
So, the MOFY honor goes to the Big head cheese . . .
There were some good seasons with Craig, but the playoff failures, and his over-the-top optimism started to grate. I’m all for optimism, but his eventually ventured into cockiness territory. I remember a Chronicle article where he told the team in Spring Training one season that they were going to win the World Series that year. Why would you tell a team that in Spring Training?
The racial stuff really exploded at exactly the worst time. Right before the start of the ’89 World Series. It became the national story about the Giants that week- the Clark/Leonard hostility. Suddenly Will Clark was in the middle of a media nightmare, when he should have just been focused on the upcoming Series.
I think it’s pretty much consensus thinking that Craig’s evangelical fervor about the split-fingered pitch led to a lot of sore-armed Giants pitchers.
There was a surprising reference to that in the playoffs this season. I can’t remember which broadcaster said it, in what series, but he was talking about how everyone with the Giants calls Lincecum’s split-fingered pitch a change-up, because the phrase “split-fingered” is still a sore spot in the Giants organization because of the Craig years. Anybody else remember one of the broadcasters saying that? I was surprised to hear one of the national broadcasters have that kind of insight about Giants history.
Yeah, i remember that. It was a pretty big deal near the end of Craig’s tenure . . . The A’s staff was breaking down around the same time with overuse
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1217310.html
As I recall, that pissant Lowell Cohn did a lot of the “fomenting.”
Yeah, definitely not something a Giants fan wants to be reading right before the start of the ’89 World Series, in a newspaper feature called “World Series Notebook.”
In the Washington Post, no less.
yeah. ugly. I remember a Lowell Cohn column in the early 80s doldrum period, when there wasn’t much to write about on either side of the Bay. Cohn dreamed up a “vanilla/chocolate” comparison of the Giants/A’s for the Chron’s Sporting Green one day. Accordiing to Cohn, the Giants were all white and vanilla (Cohn even managed to call Chili Davis white-like), while the A’s were mainly black and hip. I forget how he dealt with the managers. But the entire exercise was craven race-baiting. I hated the little fucker from that day on, and he continued to meet my expectations. I’m glad the paper he writes for these days doesn’t get distributed south of Marin County.
Don’t miss this, BF!
http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?EAN=9780594036104&
Classic Zumie!
Thx zumie, I’ll get right on that!
In hindsight, Roger Craig did have some pretty major holes in his managerial style and in his clubhouse management. But he was a breath of fresh air when he arrived and he did give us ’87 and ’89
Yeah, I don’t mean to sound so negative about Craig. He had a big part in turning the organization around after so many tough years.
Just a reminder (but I think we all know already), Belt is playing in the Arizona Fall League championship game tomorrow. I think it’s going to be broadcast on MLB network. I have no idea what time.
I’m for the Humm Baby. Because it sucked just before he showed up. I was at the 100th loss game. I went to something like 25-30 games that year and saw ONE win. L
I just read yesterday’s comments. Twin good luck with the tests. I had a CT scan on the liver yesterday (I’m sure they shot more than that). While drinking the CAT scan cocktail that they provided, I realized a few life style changes may be in order for me. I was also thinking about that the clownette and I are tying the knot this weekend (since we already live together this will be more of a marital status change than a life change). Life is always in a state of flux, like last years team and line-ups. One thing that will never be changed is the 2010 Giants are World Champions. This can never be taken away by anybody or anything.
I vote for BRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCEEEEEEEE. The greatest manager ever in my books.
Poor Jimmy Davenport. Loved the guy as a player, but that 62-100 season . . . ouch. . . . Craig was canned in the 1st week IIRC . . .
And their OF was Gladden, Chili Dog, and Hac man . . . Hard to think they did that bad.
I bet Will Clark, Chris Brown, and Hac-Man were all pricks who were hard to manage. Kevin Mitchell LOVED Craig and Humm Baby got some amazing play out of him that no-one else could. Did he fry a few arms with the split finger? Yes, but he also took a bunch of stiffs and turned them into a pennant-winning staff.
Plus he put a stop to all of the bitching about Candlestick and playing in SF that had become commonplace. If Craig and Rosen don’t dramatically change the culture surrounding the Giants, Barry never later signs here. If Barry never signs here, ATT never gets built (should be called “Barry Bonds Park.” ) If there is no ATT, we ain’t celebrating a championship and probably don’t even have a team in town.
Good points, Dawg. Craig and Rosen should both be honored with the Croix de Candlestick, First Class, with Swords and Diamonds for knitting that sow’s ear into a silk purse. Of course, some of the players did help.
I had to go with Bruce Bochy. Easy. He is, after all, the Lord of the Ring.
Magnus, thanks for tolerating my earlier pedantry, but you have to admit: an MOF for the total history would be a good discussion, too — though few of us, myself included, would know enough history, ‘cept for Twin and Carstie.
Sitting at B&N. USA Today has a sports of the year special mag out. They are so STUPID. No Giant on the cover. Turn to page 66 for MLB overview. Leads with…pause. Ready? Strasburg. Well, you all know I don’t have to prove my Stras bona fides, but WTF, did they write this in July? Pure crap. Eejits. Morons. FWs.
Too funny. Whenever my son sees the Taco Bell commercial with Girardi and Rivera, he says, why isn’t that Bochy and Weezy?
If ever there were guys made stricly for commercial, it’s these guys.
I’m going to be a pussy about this.
First, I’ll also have to admit, I had to Google Altobelli and Dark.
I lean towards Bochy obviously and twin, zum, chuck, flav et. al. made a lot of good points about the Craig era. But Dog, stix, ewisco, Kevin, Flav (again?), et.al. reminded me of my less cynical childhood and early adulthood.
Everyone bashes Candlestick but I went to more games over there than ATT so despite the years of failure, there was something special about that place. Especially the bleachers in left field (during the Craig era).
So in the end, I have to vote for…
Charlie Fox. Because he mentored Dave Kingman. Who would be welcome in Room B any day of the year (after all, someone has to catch the rats and mail them off)
Heh heh heh . . I had Fox at 9:06.
Yes you did, chuck. That’s what influenced me but I forgot to give you credit. Sorry
Teddy, we hung out in the left field bleachers as well. were you there that night somone hit the girl in the dodger shirt and layed her nose sideways. the place went bananas.
ewisco, nope I can’t be sure I specifically saw that. Saw a lot of rowdy shit though so I might have. That was a fun place in the day
Wow, this is some kind of trip down memory lane with the Craig stuff. I had forgotten that the Leonard-Clark flap (!) came right before the Series. And good point by Sandawg, Craig would not tolerate anyone pissin’ and moanin’ about the ‘Stick. That ’89 season was one crazy ride.
Being from Jersey, I went with Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce, of course. Interesting that two of the choices, Altobelli and Dark, went on to win WS titles elsewhere (O’s and A’s)
I have to say that I am a baseball park fan, I think every stadium is a thing of beauty!! I want to be one of those guys who go to every ball park. I would love to follow the Giants on thier road trip someday. Candlestick was my first ball park and I loved it there.
The stick before they enclosed it was a horror. The wind howling down the RF line was just terrible. Many a McCovey HR was lost to that wind tunnel.
Bozo– good luck with all that. I was never interested in marriage. Still don’t know what the big deal is about it. I guess it just never was for me.
Our little Bozo’s going to make a dishonest woman out of a little Bozette.
Congratulations
Sounds like a ploy for a Mrs. Claus flash drive 😉
It’s weird Flav. Neither one of us thought we’d get married and now we’re both doing it for the second time. So we’ve been there, done that and gotten the tee shirt. I guess this time we get the bumper sticker.
You know I gave up my place on Pot Hill (17th and Texas, not a bad walk to the ball park), Quit my band of 23 years, took an early buyout from work AND gave up my Charter Member Club level seats (section 212 row B) to move 3,000 mile away for her. Might as well make it legal and have a party to boot.
Cheers you guys.
Congratulations. Any chance the soon to be Mrs. Clown switches the “I do, Bozo” with a “Fuck you, Bozo!” 😀
Already in the rotation Den as well as up your ass (we’ve shortened it to U-ya)
It looks like expanded playoff teams are a forgone conclusion for ’12. The two WC teams in each league square off in a what, best 2 outta three I guess? Why stop there. Make it a one-gamer and truly bastardize the game of baseball.
I AM SO INCENSED ABOUT THIS (almost as much as extending tax cuts for robber barons and hedge fund managers) I’M THINKING OF WRITING A HANDWRITTEN NOTE TO SELIG.
1. Bozo and Clownette. Many happy returns. Which is what they say at the bottle redemption place, too.
2. Kevin, when I was in 5th or 6th grade during free time I’d draw (like an architect) baseball stadiums (stadia, for snobs). As noted here, I’ve been to 19 or 20, starting w/ Yankee Stadium, 1958, Whitey Ford vs. Billy Pierce. I’ve considered a whirlwind tour of all ballparks with my own Distaff Side, but something in me wonders if I’d just be the main character in “About Schmidt,” though that is a non sequitur.
3. You guys (it’s gender free, Ferret Head) crack me up.
4. WASTWC. *
* We are still the World Champs.
Always appreciate the word “distaff” used outside of horse racing. You’re a pro’s pro.
Bochy! All the way!
Nipper’s been hooked on Bochy since Day 1. He even finds his radio show to be riveting entertainment.
Now that’s devotion.
Apropos of nothing, the Ashkon Don;t Stop Believin’ video is up to 1.9 million hits . . .
Diggin’ on that for no particular reason . . .
Oh and I’m glad I don’t have a memory for some of the stuff you guys remember from the past. Stay in the present and you’ll feel a lot better.
that’s what I effing texted to a Yankees fan in Texas. I said, “We are World Champs.” He came back with something like, “27 for us, 3 for you” [it’s 6 for us]. I came back with, “Live in the present.”
Illinois and Northwestern will be playing their game tomorrow at Wrigley Field. Get a load of this: they’re just gonna play in one direction. Officials determined the east end zone was too close to the ivy wall. All drives will head west towards home plate. It’s already bad enough that both schools will have to share the same (only) sideline. Now it’s gonna look like one entire long overtime game.
Who was the clown (no offense to our Bozo) that came up with that bright idea?
They shoulda just made it an 80 yard field . . .
yeah, but the past holds some nice memories!!
Pawlie, well I have been to the old San Diego stadium
Stood outside of Angels stadium, it was winter. So I need to visit a few more before I get too old and become a home body!!
Shit, don’t know why I bother. Thought I’d go to the Splash just to see what’s up, and OSF is complaining about the fact that Sabean will sleep through the offesason and not somehow deal rowand.
Just had to ream him. Oh well. Headed for the delete bin . . .
ha ha ha
Yup. It was deleted
Was it the “chowderhead” that crossed the line?
God forbid you called him that while on the planet Uranus. You’d be banned for life.
Roger Craig was my first manager – I didn’t really start following the Giants until ’86, when I finished college. So, all of the drama aside, I had to go with the him! I hope I never forget all that Bochy did in this WS, but my heart belongs to the Humm Baby!
Twinnie – good luck on the tests. You know I’m always pulling for you.
Thanks, Nipper.
Memories?
Criminy, when I was 7 years old, me and my sister were sent to Chicago for a month in the summer. Yes. Brutal. The highlight for me was a trip to Wrigley with my Uncle Chuck (yes, the inspiration for my moniker), and his 2 sons. We were 15 rows up from 1st base. Ernie Banks was right there, Billy Williams in RF, Santo at 3rd. . . . . Saw Juan Marichal beat Fergie Jenkins.
I’d been to a few games at the Stick by then, but that is one of my earliest baseball memories . . .
Funny, I’ve only been to 3 ballparks my entire life and 2 of them are here in San Francisco. The only other ballpark I went to was the Hubert Humphrey Metrodome when I was visiting my dad back in the ’90’s.
Oh wait. That’s not true. I forgot I’ve been to Oakland a couple times.
Easy to forget.
Won’t have results until Monday. I haven’t been too concerned about anything other than the brain mets and seizure… The11-29 MRI is the biggie… I got anything else, I’ll have a swim..
You’ve all heard of my Yankee Stadium adventure… suffice to say: quite the time of my life. All other ballparks were, well, minor…
Oh dear . . .
ferrethead’s Nipper?
Now I’m really confused
I’ve noticed that TF has called FH Nipper on more than a few occasions. I thought it was some kind of inside joke. I’m confused as hell myself. Does that mean I’ve been running the “stay thirsty” gag with a girl? I dunno. Nipper will always remain the most interesting man in the world in mind anyway.
Jose Casilla, Edlefsen and Clayton Tanner added to the 40-man. Waldis Joaquin let go.
http://tinyurl.com/2dzhaje
By the end of the season, Nipper was posting “woo-hoo” on the Splash and within one minute, Ferret posted exactly same here. That’s not a coincidence I believe in… being married to Nipper is not my Private Idaho, either…
Woo hoo is pretty innocuous. And I thnk that was a staple of Ferret before Nip used it. . .
FH is not nipper. She’s no one other than herself. Nipper, I can’t speak for. The thing I like about this blog is I can keep track of who’s who with the sweet back end info that wordpress affords me. Don’t worry my fellow flappers, I only use that info to ban and destroy those who attempt to poison this place. But a word to the trolls: if you are coming here to shit disturb, think again. I’m not some fucking sfgate.com employee bound to job ethics and shit. I’ll do whatever I want to and whatever I have to with your personal information to protect the sanctity of this blog….
Good, there’s nothing worse than trolls. If only the Splash mods would take them out.
Whatever. Doesn’t matter.
Roger Craig would have been the easy choice a year ago, but Bochy brought the title Giants fans have waited years & years for. He galvanized that team with great game calling & great people management that are reserved for the so-called great managers. He became one of those this year (even though it looks like he always was.) Championships change perception. Bochy is on parallel with Tom Coughlin of the football Giants who was thought to be not quite good enough before he won the SB. Next year, when the Giants return to the playoffs, Bochy will get that MOTY that he should have gotten this year. This feels almost weird, probably like how Red Sox fans felt before they became assholes.
Nah. They were always assholes
Yeah, maybe they were – but over here they were the anti-Yankees when it counted. Anything anti-Yankees still holds some weight with me but I’ve begun to like the Sox less & less every year.
ha ha ha
Speaking of SFGate, even chuck’s benign post got deleted
Where’s the love?
In Walnut Creek?
Never got a chance to see what got Chuck deleted. There’s definitely a secret to getting a post deleted….
I’ve played around with it, no sure fire way yet. I’ve gotten myself deleted for “Hi”… and not. So I dunno. I’m pretty much Grampa Jack now, sooooo nice to all. Stoopid meds…
I just dogged OSF for whining about Sabean ‘sleeping’ through the preseason, and not dealing Rowand.
All you need to do to get someone deleted is hit ‘report abuse’.
No questions asked, they delete.
Well, you called him an idiot and/or chowderhead so I can kind of see it but they also deleted your post about buying your daughter a Posey jersey.
Why you miserable animal
I said, really? The team is basking in the glow of teh 2010 world championship, and yer whining about Rowand?
Told him he wasn’t a fan . . .
My last banishment from the Splash was due to a very graphic description of Clubber’s affliction: wet brain. In severe cases it is quite literally that: the brain matter is scoopable, Dairy Queen. Poor Clubber, Chocobrain…
Twin,
Wishing you the best [period]
Got your EMail, Paul. Sent one back..
Boise St.’s blue field is unwatchable. They want their program to be taken more seriously, and yet they keep that gimmicky blue football field. It drives some viewers away. It’s hideous. It’s actually kind of surprising the NCAA lets them get away with it. It’s definitely part of the homefield advantage. The visiting team probably has a heck of a time getting used to visual nightmare of that field.
you guys should check out Pawlie’s latest installment of his trip to see Game 1 of the WS. He’s up to Part 4. It’s a great read…….
http://www.thelaughorist.blogspot.com
Already read it . . .
Good stuff . . .
danke
No love at all for Dark, Alou, Altobelli… surprised me to see that Joe had a winning record as a manager. He’s most often in the conversation when discussing the dumbest to win a WS… don’t know about that,he did have some communication issues.. “Duh” caliber… probably one of those guys who you mutter about as you leave the room shirtless.
fondness for Alto merely because he was the mgr in ’78 when I more or less faked being a reporter in Pitts. I think Altobelli, a Rochester, NY guy — like Johnny Antonelli — threw out the first ball this year at opening day for Triple AAA Syracuse. Woooohooo, and I ain’t Nipper of FH.
make that: “Nipper or FH”
Say, I do not follow hockey and never even heard of Pat Burns until 7 minutes ago, but I was very impressed w/ his life story. Just learned it. Terrific obit at the LA Times site. Being a former newspaper guy, I confess to a morbid fascination with obits [we always accented the first syllable]. Weird stuff. Like the NY Times has ’em ready to go for famous people. Well, so does AP, I imagine. I’ve mentioned this on my blog, but one of the strangest I ran across was Jeff Willick. 2000. Read it, never forgot it. Stanford guy. 40. A physicist. Cosmologist. Origins of the universe stuff. Sitting at Starbucks and gets killed by a car crashing through the window. Go figure. [Story might be well known to y’all West Coast, Stanford-area folks.]
Classic, Flav
Joe looks about 175 himself.
ha ha
Pawlie, I like “Nipper of FH”
It’s like…Robin of Locksley, Hunchback of Notre Dame, Lord of Wars, Son of Frankenstein, Son of Dracula, The Comedy of (wait for it) Terrors (look it up)
“Of” is a magnificent word.
I just think this is funny—two pussies complaining about who “put their hands” on who. If anything, each was nothing more than a graze and I still don’t think this ump ever touched Weaver……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl-4FSRYagc
Fucking hilarious. I totally forgot Earl Weaver was played by an uncensored Louie from the Sweet Shop (Bernard Gorcey).
The Bowery Boys are eternal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDhvZU4pi7k&feature=related
Call him a racist. Call him a moron. God knows I’ve called him a complete idiot right here on the Flap whilst he tried to negotiate how to open a bottle of sparkling wine.
But this motherfucker had the sweetest swing I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.
Hell, when he swang (is that a word?) and missed, it was still pretty
The only negative thing about Clark’s game, IMO, was that he almost won a batting title. After that, he seemed to turn into Tony Gwynn on us. He hit 35 homers early in his career, but after flirting with a batting title, he started going for average more, and pitchers started to get him out on the warning track more. We needed more homers from him, and could have sacrificed some batting average, especially in that ’93 season.
You forget, he was batting 7th or 8th when he went career long and he was still a newbie. He was one of those guys opposing pitchers hadn’t figured out yet.
Once they knew he could hit for average and still have some pop, that’s when they put him 3rd.
I even recall when they signed Bonds, they mentioned that Clark still had a higher HR season than Bonds ever had.
True at that time.
My…how things changed
Sweetest swing this side of the Splendid Splinter.
Boise up 37-0, of course throws long for another touchdown, in the grand tradition of running up the score in college football.
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And by the way, I may be the only one in the nation who does NOT like the touchdown scored by the junior high team that faked everyone out into thinking it was a deadball situation. If I was the opposing team, I’d take my team off the field and say to the refs “If that touchdown counts, we’re out of here.” The coach of the team that scored must be proud. He taught his team how to be good cheaters. Nixon would approve.
No zum, you’re not the only one who does not like that fake touchdown.
You’re just the only one who gives half a shit
😉
What bugged me was seeing it several times on different news shows, with the newscasters always praising it with such enthusiasm. No thought given at all to the ethics being taught to the junior high kids. All the baloney about fair competition goes out the window.
True dat my friend
I guess it bugged me because I’ve coached some youth sports. I always took the “character building” aspects of the thing seriously. I can’t fathom the coach being proud of scoring a touchdown that way.
Well, they did still lose so there’s some justice…
Ah, I didn’t know that. Cool.
ha ha ha
perfect
You know? That’s one of the problems with this modern communication fuckalooza.
I just wrote “ha ha ha perfect” to twin’s post but it looks like I wrote it to zum’s post.
Which makes me look like an asshole. Not the first time, mind you but…
zum…my comment was to twin’s post…not yours. Sorry.
No problem. I figured you were responding to TF.
I don’t know if the Giants delayed Bumgarner’s call-up to the majors by one game because of the tantrum at Fresno. Joe Martinez lost that start against Baltimore. But I like to think the Giants wanted to send a message to Bumgarner, and they were willing to do the tough thing of starting Martinez that game instead. The Giants showed great integrity there, AND won the World Series. The best of both worlds.
That junior high coach cheated AND lost the game anyway. The worst of both worlds.
On the plus side for Fresno St., yeah they lost 51-0, but that was probably a pretty good payday for their sports program, with their share of the gate receipts and it being an ESPN broadcast. In the grand tradition of college sports “blood money.” Although, it is a team in their league, so not as bad as let’s say….that time that UOP went to Nebraska. And didn’t San Jose St. have a game like that this year? They went to Oklahoma or some other top-ranked team.
I looked it up. San Jose St. started their season by going to Alabama, and losing 48-3. A good payday for the San Jose St. program, and an easy win for Alabama, a win/win situation in the world of college football.
By the way.
Mr. Flav. What the fuck is this…
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