Trades
I think most of us understand that Sabes won’t be pulling the trigger on any trades this week. That’s actually fine with me, he’s not very good at them—unless you want to go back 14 years or whatever. There might have been 2 or three since then, too…….
Trade proposals, generated by fans, are one of the easiest ways to get me to go ballistic. The common fan has half the trade proposal down pat: he is goddamn crystal clear on who he wants to ACQUIRE. He wants Hanley. He wants Reyes. He wants Mauer—guys he’s seen featured on ESPN sound bites. Now comes the hard part–who does he give up? Hmmmmm. Er…..Ummmmm. A sticking point. “I don’t want to give up anyone good,” Common Fan #1 thinks to himself. See, this is when the trade proposal fantasies usually start to break down. Quickly, Common Fan #1 defaults to listing off about 5 AAAA guys on the roster as the chum used to secure this *blockbuster deal*. For our purposes, that would be listing off as many Bowker Gang guys as possible—whether they’re still in the organization or not…….
Tip #1: Just because you think the player is valuable doesn’t mean anyone else does. You may remember John Bowker hitting 2 home runs in his first week at the Bigs but no one else does. And even if they do, they don’t give a shit about this. They care about his body of work since. Not pretty.
Tip #2: you’ve got to give up something to get something. There has to be REAL value in your part of the offer. The trick to a good trade is to finding MORE value in what you acquire than what your trading partner thought they had. But NO ONE is interested in securing any of our *Bowker Gang* guys for anything that we or the rest of the world would perceive as valuable—no matter how many of them you try to throw in—-4. 5. 6. Lots of Bowker Gang guys doesn’t sweeten the deal at all. If the Reno Aces team plane goes down killing everyone inside, you might get Kevin Towers to look at a package for all our Bowker Gang players—just don’t expect Justin Upton to be the guy we get in return……
Tip #3: Look at something other than the back of a player’s baseball card. Anyone can see what a player has done. Projecting what they might do in the future, based off underlying Sabermetric figures, is how to go about securing a sound trade haul. There’s obvious risk involved with this but this is the best way to go about hitting the big score on a trade—whether you just get lucky or whether you saw something in a player that no one else did, that’s the way to go about tipping a trade in your favor……
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
My favorite arm chair GM is sophthesilliest (or is that sophSyphilis?) from the splash. The dude must have a payroll of 500 mil. But, I do respect his wisdom like this one from yesterday, “Our window of opportunity to repeat is not long.”. Yup, we only have this year to repeat.
Or this one, “Crawford is still out there….as is a big trade if we are aggressive about seeking it. If not, expect trades at mid-year.”
That is one fucking wise dude.
That’s when I always think that Soph is Nipper. That same sort of bland, weird, almost third-person existence on the blog, like he’s appointed himself the narrator. “Meanwhile, back at the ranch….”
You’re foolishly misinformed. You only make yourself foolish and stupid with false accusations. Stick to the facts, guy. Don’t get arrogant with me. You are not that smart yourself, fool.
Nipper, the next time you say anything interesting about baseball will be the first time.
Anyway I don’t make false accusations. If you don’t like my posts, again fair enough, don’t read them.
The biggest mistake Blog GMs make, however, is not understanding that good young players under control for more than a year or two DO NOT GET TRADED. I don’t want to hear about the exceptions,of course there are a few, but the rule stands. Those first six years are golden for the team- they’re paying waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay under market value. If a Braun is traded, it’s in year 5 or 6, not 2 or 3…
Yeah I sure get tired of the rants on the Splash, “the Giants still need a bat”!. Crap the guys they suggest, well the opposing GM starts the conversation with “Cain, Timmy, Jonathan, Madison. So why even open that conversation!! They are ridiculous over on the Splash.
If you don’t value the Splash, that’s fair enough. Still why read something you don’t find anything of value?
I don’t read all of the Splash. I have several posters on “Ignore” over there, including you. There are a few folks worth reading over there. I don’t have to read some idiot like Soph to know what he’s going to post. It’s the same repetitious junk over and over. No improvement, no change.
No improvement, and no change- Who else does that sound like, Nipper?
I ask myself the very same question when it comes to the Niners. Why do I continue to read, watch, follow and choose to interact and spend my time participating with blog forums in something that doesn’t have any value? I disappoint myself.
Hot Stove Tracker, good site to keep tabs on what real GMs are doing..
http://tinyurl.com/29v3a8c
sure is more succinct than the overgrown mlbtr
So you’re saying Rowand for Ramirez or Reyes isn’t going to happen? What if we throw in Schierholtz and Ishikawa? To bad Velez was allowed to walk. Throw him in and the deal is sealed.
Mets are reported zeroing in on Ronny Paulino. Don’t know if the Giants, who possessed his services for less than 24 hours last year, had any interest, but now the point grows moot. One of the better backup catchers out there, i would think.
I’ve never caught Singletary’s “show” on KNBR before, until this morning. Man, is he a jerk like that every time? All he gave was short, hostile answers to their softball questions. Totally defiant the whole way. Granted, it’s not a fun part of the job to have to do regular media sessions, but he could at least show some professional courtesy and class. I actually felt sorry for the morning show guys. Not fun to deal with that every week.
Zum, today was actually one of his better weekly KNBR interviews. He was far more hostile and evasive earlier in the year. And he came on late this morning, probably by choice, not accident. They cut this one short, even after a late start. Not only is he a clueless HC, he’s become a terrible face of the organization. Since Day 1 he has come across as if the media and Niner fans are to be tolerated, nothing more. The Channel 5 interview was the pinnacle of embarassment to the organization. Nolan was positively Mooch-like compared to this dude. If he were 8-4, well, whatever. Not acceptable at 4-8. Good riddance soon enough…
Believe it or not, that was one of the coach’s more congenial appearances on the morning show. The terse and mostly curt answers are the norm. You never expect to gleam many insights from a show such like that, but he could at least have the common courtesy to show some decorum with his answers and attitude. He’s nothing but a major disappointment on and off the field.
The Alderson for Freddy Sanchez trade was excellent. And Nipper’s post describing the game he attended at the Stick when Phil Nastu pitched was one of the best posts of the year. Might have been over on the old blog, with the pinups and stuff.
Trading Sandoval comes up a lot after his poor second year, Here’s the deal: he shows up in shape this spring, you’ve t traded a potential batting champ.Hope you got Cy Young…
He shows up weighing 300, you might be able to move him for a third year anorexic…
THAT’S how it works.
El Presidente vs. Paulino (2010)
ABs 126 vs. 316
BA .238 vs. .259
Slg .397 vs. .354
OBP .299 vs. .311
OPS .645 vs. .665
SOs 35 (28%) vs. 51 (16%)
Looks like the main difference offensively is contact, which we already knew is the bugaboo with Whiteside. Dunno how they compare defensively. I’d pick the guy who strikes out only about 1/2 as much as the other guy….
Sorry, Whiteside 2010 OPS at .696. .645 is career…
Of course those are the only two reserve catchers available.
Bring back Bengie. Let’s see Boch pinch run HIM for Posey…
I have not read back other comments yet, but I just saw that Mercury story stating Sabean/ownership is willing to go to $120 million on payroll..that is so nice to hear.
I dont think they will actually do that this year and instead keep it close to $110 mill (maybe they will then have trade flexibility during the year), but when we start thinking of keeping Timmy and Cain long-term and then is 3-4 years having to lock up Jesus and the Bum, will pray that ownership will keep up the spirit of having a payroll in the upper third in baseball. That is how we will stay competitive, but not throwing it away on the Jayson Werth”s of the world. No more Aaron Rowand contracts either for non-SF homegrown free agents…
What are people’s thoughts trying to get the Cards ex-SS Ryan in a minor trade and letting him in and compete with Fontenot for the backup SS job instead of trading for Bartlett???
I went over to the Splash last week for the first time since the World Series and I was absolutely flabbergastted at the idiocy over there…..as if the last season did not happen.
I think I posted that I will never utter a criticism of Sabean and Bochy again and they should give each 10-year deals…someone was whining about Burrell getting $1 million..what a bunch of jack asses…
GH, I saw that too. Once all the arb eligible players are taken care of I think they anticipate being close to $120M this year.
“What are people’s thoughts trying to get the Cards ex-SS Ryan in a minor trade and letting him in and compete with Fontenot for the backup SS job instead of trading for Bartlett???” Looks like Bartlett is goingt to Baltimore.
Ryan: .289 .244 .292 .223
Hell, 2011 is his “up” year… go fer it
The Nats might be the dumbest run franchise in the history of baseball. Now it sounds like they are in the Mix for Lee, willing to offer a 7th year. Here’s the deal: a team like the Nats CANNOT be wrong with a even one mega signing. If they sign Lee, they will be locked up with TWO guys who are STARTING their deals in their early 30’s. The odds that one or both of them avoid significant injury and/or performance decline are impossibly high. And they will have no money to fix the gigantic holes created by these blunders. Totally stupid…
Seeing as Sabean did much the same in 07 and 08 with Zito and Rowand, and won it all 2 years later, maybe that’s the blueprint they are following . . .
I’d wager that Lee’s agent is floating the rumor of the Nats going all in with the hope of getting 7 yrs from the Yankees.
Sucks to be a Nats fan. At least they have Strausberg.
Insane to give a 33 yr old pitcher 6 yrs, let alone 7.
The nata are gambling big time but if worth stays healthy and is a star for at least the first 3 seasons they can then trade his ass because they have Bryce harper
teams typically don’t trade for mid-30 year old players in the middle of 120 million+ contracts….
The Giants and the Nats are in two totally different financial situations. The Giants can fuck up a couple big signings and still compete. The Yankees can fuck up ten of them and it doesn’t phase them in the slightest. The Nats? They can’t fuck up even one of them, much less two of them……
I guess Bochy is pretty happy about getting to manage Hanley Ramirez, Ryan Howard, Pujols, Ryan Braun etc… this year.
What? I’m not talking trades (although I think we could get all of those guys for Rowand, Zito, Nate and Ishi), no no, Mr. Bochy gets to be the first SF Giant manager ever to manage the All-Star game.
Although, if Sabean does his job all those guys will be Giants at the break.
Bozo, Bruce would be the 4th Giants mgr to manage the NL All Stars.
Alvin Dark, Humm baby and Dusty
Damn Rough, you’re right (went to the WS you stupid Bozo, not won it).
Oh well, he will be managing a team that some folks think we should be the Giants this year.
Oops, I guess Dusty technically was a Cub
Well, he earned it as a Giant
Heard Brandon Belt got married over the weekend.Just hope it doesn’t have the initial ST affect it did on Bumgarner.
All these guys alwasys marry the same girl. There’s a factory near Topeka.
Oooh. They come with a wirless control!
Pretty cool. In my experience, wives can’t be controlled…
Hey Twin, where did you get a photo of my first wife?
Elizabeth Edwards R.i.P.
And John, rot in Hell…
Couldn’t agree more Twin/Ted, What a douchebag John Edwards was.
A real class lady Elizabeth Edwards was.R.I.P.
My sentiments exactly
Yeah these politicos that preach their self righteous shit (Edwards. Newt etc..) and leave a sick spouse, well, one hopes there is a special hell for these assholes. I don’t care what their party/politics are, a Uber fuckwadian is still nothing more than a fuckwad.
Comcast Sports Net (Bay Area)…Is doing something really cool starting on Dec 9th.The network will begin rebroadcasting 6 key playoff and W/S games,and replace the original TV audio feed(idiots) of McCarver,Buck,Stockton etc(Thank God!!,their really is a Santa) with Mike Krukow,Duane Kuiper,Jon Miller and Dave Flemming.
Set your DVR’s
Here’s the schedule (All Pacific time)
Dec 9th at 8:00 PM-NLDS Gm 1
Tim Lincecum strikes out 14 Braves
Dec 11th at 7:00 PM-NLCS GM 4
Juan Uribe hits walk-off sac fly to beat the Phillies
Dec 15th at 7:00 PM- NLCS GM 6
Uribe hits go ahead HR in 8th.Giants win NL Pennant
Dec 17th at 7:00 PM-World Series GM 1
Freddy Sanchez,Giants Rip Cliff Lee and Rangers
Dec 23- at 7:30 PM W/S GM 4
Madison (The Undertaker)Bumgarner shovels 8 shut out innings and buries the Rangers
Dec 24 at 8:00 PM-W/S GM 5
Edgar(MVP) Renteria with the crushing 3 run HR,Timmy out dueling Lee again,and Fear the Beard closing out Giants first World Series Title since 1954.
And on Christmas Day at 3:30 PM Comcast Sports Net Bay Area will replay the Giants Ticker-Tape Parade down Market Street and the City Hall Celebration.Awesome way to cap off your Christmas Holiday with your 2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPION SAN FRANCICO GIANTS!!!!!!!
dang! wish I could DVR it, but I’m with Time Warner, and 3,300 miles away. Does anyone know if the Magic Inside Season Highlights DVD coming out today features the good Guys’ announcers?
No. It’s produced by MLB so it has the usual gang of idiots. Interviews with some of them and the players, though
Go old school.
VCR it, baby!!!
too bad but I may get it anyway; think my wife is getting me the complete boxed set of all WS games…not bad for watching on a snowy night; like now: 1.5 ft on the ground and more on the way
It’s produced by some outfit called Shout Factory.
Do u think Freddy sanchez could ever get a surgical procedure done in a timely manner: out until middle of ST, same shoulder as last yr
oh no, are you kidding? Oh well, I’m ok w/ playing time for Fontenot…still thinking of one inning in Game 5 when Freddy put on a hypercaffeinated cllnic on defense. I love his enthusiasm. Speaking of Gm 5, one of my bookmarks is set for MLB scores, so when go to MLB, the Games 5 line score pops up. Sweet!
Agreed. I don’t get it. He and/or the medicos wait a month to do the surgery? We heard it was injured during the early playoffs, right? So, no surprise at the surgery. At least it wasn’t his throwing arm, which also was hurt in the playoffs, but not good news that it seems a recurring issue with the left shoiulder. Looks like Fontenot will be at 2nd early next season, and Franchez will probably be out pretty much through May again. Thank Keereist this guy only has one year left on the deal, he’s a walking othopedic ward….
On the plus side, it gave you something to gripe about.
Well, the Skankees and Jeter finally settled on 3 years $51 mil
If I’m vocationally associated with college football, I don’t retire until I’ve won the esteemed “Beef O’Brady Bowl”……..
That contract for Jeter is too funny. As I said, if I was Sabean I make a single offer to Jeter: 1 year, 3 million. That’s what he is worth. What the Yankees pay for someone is no indication of someone’s street value……..
anybody think Konerko is leaving the Chisox? If so, to where?
He’s probably staying Pawlie (from everything I have read). White Sox are all in (not “blowing up” the team) insofar as retaining their players, e.g., ESPN Chicago is reporting that White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf will do anything he can to re-sign Konerko.
Also, Adam Dunn and A.J. Pierzynski deferred money on their recently signed deals to help the Sox keep the door open for Konerko’s return.
Also, if he does go and has a preference, it probably is Arizona, where he lives full time when not playing.
I love the Tony Gwynn Jr signing by the Dodgers— between A-Gone getting traded away and Colleti going *big* with the Gwynn signing, we are tightening our hold on this division just by all the other teams fucking up……
G’s are fine at 2nd if Sanchez can’t make the bell…Fontenot, DeRosa and even Burriss, who is better suited there. But it doesn’t sound as bad as last yr.
“think my wife is getting me the complete boxed set of all WS games”
Sounds like you married well, Pawlie.
Anyone else stoked now that Lou Amundson is back?
I heard a Cashman interview on NYC’s top sports station today. At one point, talking about the Yanks’ offseason, he said something about how we’ll be doing all we can “to wrest the World Series from the San Francisco Giants.” Man, did that sound sweet, coming from the GM of the mighty Yankees!
did you catch the pic of Cashman rapelling down a 350-foot building in my hometown — and Bobby Valentine hometown — of Stamford, CT? cuh-razy.
Bring em on!
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That pic of the Topeka bride was perfect.
It’s comforting to know the young guys are settling down and won’t be running around chasing skirt till 3am.
Amundson is back!+++?!?!?!?!! Finally, all the pieces of our season are falling RIGHT into place!
I would die for a NY/Giants WS. Pawlie, I will come out there for a game and visit you if that goes down. Of course, there will be no knothole. I’ll stare at the concrete exterior for a spell, then go catch the game at a nearby bar. Underwhelming, to say the least….
I’d still come out West — and would’ve this year if we were playing the Skanks. I had a chance at box seats in Texas and refused, saving my money for SF. That’s me. An Outsider Looking In…..which I believe is the title of anew memoir by the author Garry Wills. But, yeah, Magnus, bring ’em on. If I’m not mistaken, about 15 years ago there was a sports bar in Manhattan called the Polo Grounds. Now, that’d be the place to be!
Anyone spending any extra time tonight wondering about the picture I’m using for tomorrow’s pitcher/catcher countdown? 🙂
uh-oh
I graduated from HS in 1969, in NCalif. We saw it all. I look forward to your take.
An understated approach:
http://tinyurl.com/2564llg
Killer quote from Jeter….”I have alot of years left to play in productive baseball.I don’t look at the end of my career when I’m in the middle of it.” (first two rows of spread fed scribes dropped dead with that one)
Yea I like derosa healthy at 2nd if Freddy can’t go by opening day