Gearing Up for Krukow’s *Zito Defense*
Kruk’s KNBR Show hits the airwaves in a little less than an hour (usually around 7:30). He’ll be in full Zito-Defense Mode. Here are my guesses for some of the sh!t he’s gonna throw against the wall:
1) Zito was pitching well out of the wind up, it was only when he went into the stretch that he had a problem
2) His WHIP was actually quite good, only giving up 6 hits and 2 walks in 7 innings
3) He only found out he was pitching 90 minutes before the game. We should be honoring his *gamership*, not condemning the results
4) The wind was blowing out
5) The Phillies LU is outstanding, they hit everybody
Well, those are my top 5 guesses. His analysis will probably include these 5 as well as 20-30 more. The real fact is this: Zito is poison to this team. He always puts our guys on their heels by giving up a 4 or 5 spot early on. This deflates the bats and gives the opposing pitcher a ton of free confidence to go after a LU that really needs all the help it can get to begin with…..
I hope Timmy feels better today…….
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Zito should be retired and then hired as a cook for Peter McGowan. He can Zen himself away from the Giants for good.
If you think Timmy was sick now, just wait until Zito hits the kitchen!
Don’t know what all the angst is about. Zito pitching badly is actually a good thing if you want to get rid of him. If he pitches well you’re all in knots worrying they will keep him around for the postseason.
I’ll throw some silver lining out there. Zito pitching game one was actually a good thing because the Phillies were just itching to tear into the G’s for bleeping them last yr. The Phillies get it out of their system, Zits goes away and now we can settle down and enjoy some classic 2-1 fare.
RT is right, if Zito had pitched like last year, pitching just good enough to get him through 2-3 months, then Bochy might have been tempted to use him in the PS. sphincter muscle clench and a shiver down my spine just thinking about it. and yes it gets the revenge factor out of the Phillies system.
Bummer, I only caught the last half of Kruk’s show. Did anyone here his list of excuses that he probably started the show off with?
I didn’t hear any of the show and didn’t read any comments by Zito. So a bit off-topic, did Zito use his standard “I wasn’t focused” excuse again?
kuiper isn’t any better. After zito got lit up last time, both were calling each other “apologists” in a sarcastic dig at those who hate on the guy, during a pregame.
SF cannot afford to just dump the guy, so unless he pitches reasonably well he will never be tradeable. Giving up 14 runs in 10 and two thirds, with 5 HRs in the last two outings makes it hard to see silver lining. Funny thing is, Braves Derek Lowe is almost as bad, and makes near Zito money too. Braves have been trying to dump him last two years also, with no takers.
I think Rowand is much more likely to get dealt somewhere, with SF picking up large part of the remaining salary. He can play anywhere in the OF, and I’m sure is confident he could put up better numbers in a different park/division, true of a lot of hitters .
What I want to see is what happens to Vogs on this trip, who will either go in Philly if Lincecum is not up to it yet, or in Cincy bandbox where it will be mid-90s. Bum likes this weather so it won’t bug him, but I want to see how Vogs holds up in these conditions. This guy is in uncharted waters, and I just have a feeling he could unravel as league starts to figure him out.
I like RoughTrade’s take.
Like many of you, it’s occurred to me we are nearly 2/3 through the season: it’s past time waiting for players to ‘turn it around’ or ‘get it going’. Get the Beltran or Cuddyer trade done, but don’t go for lesser like Carlos Lee. Only then is it worth giving up a Wheeler or somesuch. I don’t buy Baggs’ argument that we need to hold on to Wheeler because we’ll be short on starting pitching in the near-term. I don’t see us letting our 20 year-olds go (Lincecum, Cain, MadBum, but possibly Sanchez), and we can draft anew over the next few years.
You appreciate Boche’s tactical skills when you see others in action: last night Hurdle used his backup catcher to pinch-hit in 11th, so McKenrie had to catch all 18 1/3 innings in Atlanta heat and humidity. Lucky he’s not in the hospital.
Cuts both ways, Ed. So long as some players get hot when it’s necessary (post season, most likely), things’ll be fine. Remember how we felt last year when Pablo never pulled his fat ass out of his slump and Bochy decided to go with Uribe and Renteria on the left side of the IF. Bochy’ll know what he needs, and he’ll know how to use it when the time comes.
News report I just heard has Lincecum going today. Man, if I had doctors to hook up intravenous hydrating tubes and trainers to massage and stretch me out, I think I might be able to tolerate a bad hangover once in a while, and get over it just fine. (And, of course, I have incontrovertible proof that Lincecum received such treatment for his DC hangover yesterday. Irrefutable.) In any event, I’ll bet Lincecum will be motivated if he does go today.
Got a Groupon offer the other day for a couple of custom t-shirts from a well-known Berkeley silk screening shop. I’m thinking about using it to get an orange on black ABZ, with an outlilne image of the Angeleno yogi in mid windup behind the universal circle/slash sign for NO!
gold mine, xoot. How many of those could you sell in the bay area? wonder if security would let you into the park with one on?
maybe having to put on a suit and tie for the WH gig is what did Tim in.
Remember FireSabeanNow from the Splash? Didn’t he print up a bunch of shirts a couple years ago?
Fires a bean said he had the shirts, and he used a picture of one as his blog image for a while. Wonder what name he’s using these days? I’m pretty confident my ABZ shirts would never go out of style (even for the fans of any time lucky enough to pick Zito up off the Giants scrap heap).
btw, I sent BF a picture my kid snapped of me in the fedora. Not a very good picture. BF said I looked like a mobster. I don’t think it made the cut.
fans of any TEAM.
And after last night’s Pit-Atl, game the Braves have to be ramping up the Beltran offer. McCann, without doubt their best hitter, strained an oblique and is going on the DL. They scored 3 runs in the third, and then both teams didn’t score again til braves won it on disputed play in the 19th.
Prado went 0 for 9, avg down to .268, big drop off from what he hit last year. McLouth hit lead off, struck out 3 times and is hitting .230. Heyward is at .222, Uggla .199, the Schafer kid ,240 as back up OF, Alex Gonzalez the SS 0-5 now hitting .225.
On the report about SF having scouts to watch Oakland/Tampa…I watched part of that last night as the A’s pounded Price for 4 runs in 6 innings, in front of announced crowd of 12,000 (looked more like 1200). Upton 0-4, 2 Ks, now batting .227. Other than Zobrist (who homered) and Longoria, who are no doubt untouchable, there’s only Damon, Kotchman and the kid C Jaso. Too bad, because the Rays are more than likely out of it.
At this rate, Matsui will be patrolling LF for thr G-men . . .
I truly think Bubbles will get released after this season. No playoffs. Adios, muchacho.
No way anyone takes him in a trade. He’s beyond worthless.
Zito will be hamstringing them regardless- I’m sure that Dirrty will get his spot back but seeing that there’s no way they’ll cut bait with Zits, they’ll either have to option or release a reliever who is better than Zit or option a position player, further weakening an already horrendo bench..
It’s possible, I guess, that they discover more problems with the foot…that would be best, then they can activate him in September without having to pitch him…
And here’s this morning’s Beltran shit:
“•Giants starter Jonathan Sanchez could go to the Mets as part of a Beltran trade, tweets Sherman.
•Some executives believe Boras is trying to direct Beltran to the Giants, a team that has the money to retain him after the season, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Meanwhile Ken Rosenthal tweets that the Rangers are offering the Mets a greater number of players for Beltran than the Giants, who are offering fewer players but more quality.”
Also some talk that they’re trying for Cuddyer but Twinkies undecided on what to do…
Just listened to the Krukow podcast—he wasn’t TOO over the top trotting out excuses, but he did throw some shit at the wall—tough to go on short notice, kept the ball down much better than the start in SD, throw out the first inning and he did alright etc. Plus he hammered the point about the small ballpark + fly ball pitcher is a bad combo.
No way JSanchez is going to the Mets unless Reyes is in the deal and agrees to a longer term deal. Sanchez for Cuddyer is a more realistic scenario.
But dealing Sanchez now and suffering with Zito is playing with fire and that is not Sabean’s modus operandi…
The Horse gets the nod tonight per Baggs and Schulman. I guess Timmy still has the flu.
“Have a little brandy — that’ll help sweat it out.”
Yeah, I heard conflicting reports on tonight’s starter as I drove across town. Radio djs don’t know shit, I guess. I would bet on Baggs and Schulman.
Dirrty for Beltran? Fuck that. They’ll take Wheeler and like it.
The speculation was from a NY Post writer, don’t shoot the messenger, boyz…I doubt they get Dirty or Wheeler..
And ESPN now says it’s Giants or Rangers…
Where would he play? Here are the numbers for the current starting 3, since the AS break.
Nate .233 BA .233 OBP .535 OPS
Ross .121 BA .225 OBP .467 OPS
Torres .286 BA .348 OBP .753 OPS
Ross and Nate have both taken a dump, but I’d think they’d hang with Nate longer. Torres hasn’t approached his 2010 but he’s the only tolerable lead off hitter and he has played well since the break. Plus he and Nate are probably the best CF/RF defensive tandem in the league…
Chisox may be in teardown mode once again as Jerry Reinsdorf seems to be getting the financial jitters. Major trade just went down with Toronto. Wonder if Sabean isn’t burning up the phone lines to Chi-town to ascertain what kinda package would be needed to land Carlos Quentin. It appears he is available. Before Zito’s two latest melts, a straight swap of Sanchez for Quentin may have made sense. Now i could see Wheeler going in such a trade. Might take a B prospect or two boot money. Rowand would do okay on the southside. Maybe something like Rowand, Verdugo, Gillaspie would get the job done.
Second thought. As per Rowand going to Chicago, Giants would have to pick up the remainder of his salary for this season as well as that of Quentin.
I don’t think they have any interest in anyone except Beltran. If that fell through, they’d look for Cuddyer, maybe others. But Quentin is not in the picture at all unless other deals fell through…
The latest:
“•Beltran is not going to the Rangers, tweets Rosenthal. The Giants are his presumed frontrunner. He says the Mets had asked about Giants prospects Zack Wheeler and Gary Brown. They won’t get Wheeler, but Rosenthal says “we’ll see” on Brown.”
I just took a look at sfgate’s front page. Now you know the chron has a billion photos of Alex Smith following through after throwing a pass. Yet they had to use one that makes him look like a guy who throws like a girl.
Excuse me, but I throw better than Alex Smith and I’d play for far cheaper.
J.P. Morosi just tweeted that the Giants are willing to include Brown in a Beltran deal.
Brown or Wheeler? Hell, I think I’d rather keep Brown and ship Zach.
Yahoo’s Tim Brown says Beltran is a done deal, with logistics being worked out now.
Per MLBtraderumors
•Beltran is not going to the Rangers, tweets Rosenthal. The Giants are his presumed frontrunner. He says the Mets had asked about Giants prospects Zack Wheeler and Gary Brown. They won’t get Wheeler, but Rosenthal says “we’ll see” on Brown.
•Giants starter Jonathan Sanchez could go to the Mets as part of a Beltran trade, tweets Sherman.
Chuck, I am having a hard time posting on your Ninerland, telling me not login when I am. anyway this is for Dennis
Report: Smith back for $5M
Biggest contract ever for a QB who throws like a girl..
Kevin, when you log on, do NOT check the “stay logged in” box. Chuck has that same message atop his blog warning posters. Jesus H. Christ. You’re almost as bad as A*** S****. Almost.
LOL, Hey I resemble that remark!!
Looks like including Brown sealed the deal.
Neukom and his partners aren’t averse to spending the money they’re raking in. I’ll have another $10 IPA to celebrate that fact. I also have the feeling we’ll see some Burrell/Ross/Guillen-like moves from Sabean in the days ahead.
KNBR just announced beltran is “done deal” for Giants.
I can’t blame Sabean for trying. He went out and got OUTSIDE help like I’ve been saying all along. They were not winning in the postseason with this current lineup and you guys know it. Your “pollyism” just wouldn’t allow for you to admit it. Well, time to embrace the new Giant and start the goddamn playoffs. I’m sick and tired of the regular season. How many more days until Game 1 of the NLDS? Wake me then. Go Giants!
Now they’re saying Brown PLUS two more players. It ain’t go to the WS or bust, it’s win it, period.
But you said they needed it because they’d be traiing the DBacks on Memorial Day, July 4, AS Break, Labor Day.. you didn’t call shit, Doomer..What Sabean said is what I said: the deal was with an eye to the postseason. Take the Ledger aand back to bed for you..
Denny and some others did come around late to what I said in March- this team is taking the division. After I see how he’s going to be used I’ll give you a breakdown on what to expect. Remember though- it’s World Series or bust when a deal like this is made.
Come around? I’ve been waiting for Game 1 of the NLDS since March. Nice try. I even admitted to saying that shit about the Snakes just to ruffle your feathers.
After you see how he’ll be used you’ll give us the breakdown? That’s mighty NO Whitey of you.
Hey, now Olney says it Wheeler instead of Brown. I hope so. That’s what I want.
I would not get Beltran, I’ve said it before. The guy’s legs are suspect, who knows how he’ll do in cool weather constantly at ATT. I’d get Bourn or somebody similar, and pay less of a prospect price. And, if I’m the opposition, I just pitch around Beltran. A slugger on a bad lineup means he’ll get pitched around, ala Bonds. Is he better than not getting him? Depends on the price paid…
Buster Olney tweet: The Giants are expected to give up pitcher Zach Wheeler as the centerpiece of the Beltran trade.
Wheeler and…? Sabean’s selling the farm and going for broke again this year. I love it. Go Brian!
Now Room B celebrates Sabean for doing what he was crucified for doing before…
Who’s in Room B on this one? Sabean came around to what I’ve been saying all along. This offense wasn’t good enough to win in the playoffs. Looks like you and others were a little slow on the uptake on this one. Here’s your mop.
Sorry, punko- you said they wern’t making the playoffs period- none of this bullshit that you said it to annoy. One person on this blog has maintained from day one that they were winning the division and that any trades would be with an eye to the postseason- that’s me,.
But it hardly matters now, because it can never be proven either way. What’s important is what they gave up and for what return. As I’ve said-it’s now simple: win the WS..
Room B goes “Duh?”
BS. Go back to my Opening Day predictions if you want. You’re just upset that Sabean took my view of the situation and got OUTSIDE help like I’ve been preaching for since Adam. What was your bright idea? Oh yeah, let’s wait for Miggy to turn it around. Funny, that’s your same stance with the Niners. Let’s wait for A*** S**** to turn it around. At least your consistent in your “boobness.”
Wheeler instead of Brown would make me feel better. It’s all about me.
knbr reports that is indeed the case … wheeler goes, sanchez & brown not part of the deal.
Kevin, like Dennis said, when you log in, uncheck the Stay Signed In box. This allows you to post.
Shit, I should get off that crap-ass blogspot.
BLEEP!
Looking like Wheeler is the one to go. Will he be another Alderson?
If it’s Wheeler, and not much else, that’s good. Wheeler is 2 years away, he’s no sure thing. They need to hang onto position prospects. The odd FA pitcher for #4 or #5 can be brought in to supplement the Tim/Cain/Bum triumverate, and wherever Dirrty is at in his career gestation. As far as starter projections go, Zito should be treated as nonexistent…
Remember when we got franchez? Initial reports had bowker as the centerpiece.
Maybe Flavor was right that Sabean can’t do a deal like this right- he’s now given up one of the players he would NEVER include—- plus two more. What could have forced his hand is the post AS numbers for both Ross and Nate. And Pablo to a lesser extent.
Sabean is not afraid to make moves. Hitters are needed.
Priceless POTD from Macdog.
Thanx Pawlie. It really was a humongous letdown, like going to a Broadway show expecting to see Denzel Washington and getting Pauly Shore instead.
At least my daughter had a great time. And it’s a thrill seeing an inside-the-park HR, the second time I’ve seen the Phils get one vs. the Giants. The first came in 2000 at the Vet when a young Bobby Abreu tore around the bases to beat the Giants 2-1 in the bottom of the 10th, an incredibly exciting finish even if the Giants lost.
I’m a bit surprised Sabean blinked and will give up Wheeler. So be it. How soon can Beltran make it to Philly?
Wheeler i could live with more than Brown or Surkamp. Sure hoping the other two are more B- types than anything else. Seems like most of the other teams pretty much dropped out along the way except for Cleveland, which was evidently unacceptable to Beltran and presumably Boras.
The presence of Beltran does put a lot of pressure on him but greatly relieves it for Pablo and Huff, in particular. Nate and Torres may also be uplifted. The entire lineup goes from deeply suspect to suspiciously deep, with at least one outfielder who could go in a trade for a passable catcher. This is probably not the end of the trading, as others have pointed out, but now the big question is what the hell to do with Zito.
Y’all catch what some are calling the worst call ever in the bottom of the 19th, PIT vs. ATL? Pathetic. Ump must’ve wanted to go home real bad.
Watched it last night with the husband. Bad way to end the game, as I wanted to see an outfielder come in to pitch. I mean, HORRIBLE way to end a game. The only relief was that the annoying little girl shouting LET’S GO PITTSBURGH finally got to go home.
Caught the replay a while ago, it’s even better hearing the reactions from both teams’ announcers. The best part was seeing Proctor stumble and fall just barely out of the batter’s box. Had the proper call been made, the Bucs would’ve had an easy double play.
Now that we have 26 OFers, who’s going? Burrell sure looks to be released. Ross to be traded for a catcher . . . ?
They can just leave him on the DL until September( Pat).
Bourne, BTW, has had OPS the last 3 years of .588. .738, .686.This year he’s .763, likely a career year. Thank God they didn’t go that way…
Chuck:I don’t see Ross going. Fact is, all 3 OFers are suspect right now. Initially. we should see Beltran/Torres/Nate mostly, but no configuration is a lock. Belt could even work his way in.
Latest info on the deal is that it’s a straight-up for Wheeler, according to Scott Sherman of the NY Post via MLBTR. That sounds far more reasonable a swap than Wheeler-+ . Bit of a gamble for the Mets as Zack is 2-3 years away from ML probability. Giants give up a first-rounder, but IMHO Surkamp is more of a sure bet and could get the call as soon as a September cuppa coffee ~ that is, unless Drrrrty can’t revert to form and the team gets desperate, with the only other possible option being an unnamable guy who should go DFA.
Apparently, because of Beltran’s no trade clause, he cannot join the Giants till 24 hours after the deal is finalized. So unless that happens within the next four hours, he may only play one game vs Philly or simply await the team in Cincinnati. Meanwhile, Philly is offering a pretty hefty package including a couple blue chippers for Hunter Pence. That can happen when you are deep in upper level prospects.
Or, as likely, Bourn is playing into his prime at just 28.
Beltran is a RFer. Interesting to see whether he gets placed in ATT in LF or RF, the RF there obviously would be a challenge to him for a while. I’d put him in LF…
BTW, ‘Bourne” was last seen trying to avoid more wet working for his secret US agency…
Agreed, keep Nate in RF and play Carlos in LF. CF now becomes a Torres/Cody platoon. Gamer gets to take more swings in the underground batting cage…
So who goes down/DFA’D/DL’d to make room for Carlos? Belt might be hangin out at the Fresno Motel 6 again shortly…
If they’re smart, they’ll makeup another phony-baloney injury for the Gamer and put him on the DL. Honestly, I don’t know why other teams wouldn’t be up in arms when a rival blatantly “pulls a fast one.” If I were the Giants and this shit was being done by another team, I’d be calling the League Office for an investigation. Dirrrty didn’t have any arm problems.
Lots of tweets flying around. Now it’s just Wheeler. I’m fine with that, I think I even suggested this from the beginning of these rumors. I also said I thought it was a little too much to pay but that I’d still pay it. No fucking WAY should they get anything else. If Brown gets thrown in too I’ll be devastated……
I would think Hall would be getting DFA’D at some point. Does he have to come off the DL first?
Well this is excellent news. Best hitting outfielder we’ve had since Bonds. With all his bucks left to spend,
maybe Sabean will find a way to creatively dispose of Rowand by paying much of his contract and getting the catcher they need…
Yeah, I misspelled the mole’s name- whatever,he isn’t coming here, thank goodness. Already gave the likely initial configuration- Beltran/Torres/Nate l-to R. I also posted the likely platoon in center a couple days ago. But I hardly rule the Gamer out entirely- there is no OFer whose job is safe- Torres the safest, because he’s still a good lead off hitter,great OFer, and is playing best of the group. Don’t see Belt going down- Mudbug or Burriss. And don’t forget they’ll have to do something with Hall and/or DeRosa soon.
Admit it, you don’t like Crawford. You’d rather see Miggy at short. “here’s your sign…”
The team knows it can’t afford his bat. Actually, I’ve posted that Fontenot/Kepp is my preference, although the biggest upgrade they could have done was Cuddyer for second base and move Kepp to SS. It would have been a far greater upgrade at a lesser cost. ( presuming he was available) . But I can live with Beltran pending who else they gave up. There are actually some reports that they gave up Wheeler AND Brown. Hope not.
I think with the add of Beltran and hopefully a new C they could afford to hide the Mudbug’s poor bat in the lineup. He’s head and shoulders so much better defensively than anyone else we put at SS. I know the pickings are slim for a upgrade at C, but I hope you’re not eating dinner when they announce the Game 1 lineup for the NLDS…”batting eighth and catching for the Giants, #22, Eli Whiteside. I’ll choke myself…
Beltran in LF creates a Cody/Nate platoon in RF? Or is Ross now the late inning LF Nate used to be? So long as he continues to hit, Nate’s gotta play.
He’s NOT hitting, but I’m sure they’ll give him a bit longer. It’s pretty amazing, the grip of the cult. He’s at .233 with .233 OBP, .535 OPS since the break. But everybody thinks he’s hitting. A total hoot.
wtf? Nate’s OPS is .839 for July, in 20 games. Also, he has pulled his stats way up for the 2nd and 3rd time he bats in a game. As I posted earlier in the season, those numbers were abysmal. Not bad at all, now. So — he has been hitting. Has he been tapering off since the break? Maybe. If that continues, then we’ll be able to say he stopped hitting. Nothing cultish about it.
And if you want to narrowly focus on the recent past, Crawford, Ross, Sandoval and Fontenot have been worse at the plate than Nate the Neanderthal. That reminds me — dumb idea to force Nate to play LF. His territory is RF. His neanderthal brain comprehends the threats and opportunities out there. In LF, he’ll be confused for months.
Maybe Huff suffers a thong injury . . .
Jim Ray Hart’s #16 is available…
Here’s Baggs’ guess on the OF:
“My best guess at playing time, should this happen: Beltran in right field, with Nate Schierholtz platooning with Cody Ross in left. Center field remains an Andres Torres/Aaron Rowand platoon, but now there will be fewer starts for Rowand in left against right-handers.”
Here, again, are the numbers for the OFers since the break:
Nate .233 BA .233 OBP .535 OPS
Ross .121 BA .225 OBP .467 OPS
Torres .286 BA .348 OBP .753 OPS
And in their limited time:
Gamer .278 BA .278 OBP .944 OPS ( 18 AB)
Belt .333 BA .385 OBP 1.051 OPS (12 AB)
So the numbers say…Belt/Gamer/Beltran. That has NONE chance of happening. Fuck the numbers!
Why since the break? Use the entire month of July.
Or use the last seven days. That’s an eye opener.
The last 7 days doesn’t help with the notion that Nate is hitting. Fact is, if the current regulars, Torres is hitting best, followed by Nate, and Ross, hardly different from since the break. But big fucking deal- I’ve already pointed out that none of their jobs are secure. Beltran will be in there every day, and initially Torres and Nate wil get the next most time. Bet Bucktooth Billy’s dental work on that.
It’s amazing to me that anyone would trip on this trade. Wheeler might have been our 5th starter in 2013. We now have a much better chance to win the 2011 world series. Today is a day to celebrate!
Crack open a brew!
Even though he’s our MVP, I wouldn’t be totally averse to seeing Ross/Torres/Beltran with Nate relegated to the bench. Hey, look, we’re talking about Nate fucking Shitholtz here. We know who he really is. Late PHing duty and defensive sub is his thing. So what our MVP is a bench player. We’re the World fucking Champs.
The ponies like it.
Nate against righties in right and Ross against lefties in right. Beltran’s knees wont hold up playing RF at ATT. He will be the LF come playoff time. Torres against righties, Rowand against some lefties in center….
Rowand CF, Fontenot SS, Sandoval 3B, Huff1B, Keppinger 2B, Ross LF, Schierholtz RF, Whiteside C, Cain P
I’ll refrain from lineup bashing for today given the great news of p/u Beltran. But I’ll let ya in on a little secret, I’m not happy.
Then chalk this up in the win column
Beltran will become the Giants leader in runs, hits, doubles, triples, home runs, RBIs, walks and OPS.
Nah, we didn’t need any outside help.
You really are worse than your trannie friend Soph, The same shit repeated endlessly. Beltran would be the Brave leader in doubles, RBI, OBP, OPS, second in runs,… he’d fucking better be our best, Whether he’s worth what they gave up is a long fucking way from settled.
If I heard correctly, the Mets are paying $ 4 million of Beltran’s remaining $ 6 million…
That would make sense if’n in as they’re getting Wheeler
the question is can he continue those numbers at AT&T. Don’t forget it took Huff awhile last year to get over the fact that he felt like he crushed the ball and it didn’t go out.
Does it make any diffreence that Huff was more of an ALer as opposed to Beltran who’s more of an NLer?
Career he is .310 BA .375 OBP .858 OPS ZERO HR in 87 AB here. Again, in 87 at bats he has never homered at our park. He’s been a doubles hitter, with 11.
Thanks
He should have some idea of what to expect
Projected over a full season:
75 doubles
0 homers
OK…
What is the minimum you expect from the team now that the “big bat” is finally here? Or are you cool with anything because Sabean tried?
Keep in mind that virtually all agreed that the team was making the playoffs anyway. So would you be OK with one and out ?
Obviously we ALL want a fucking repeat. But I’m OK with whatever happens. Sabean acknowledged our deficiency and got the best bat available to upgrade the club. No one knows WTF will happen. Like I said yesterday, Beltran can continue to produce and smoke ’em in the postseason but the pitching could go to pot. Not his fault. If Sabean would have done nothing and we go one and out I’d be pissed. He’s trying. That’s all I ask from my GM. He’s trying. Let’s hope it works out…
What a lying pile of smoking dung. Even you now acknowledge they were in the playoffs anyway. Now you claim you’d be cool with the same one and out you said they’d do without him?
Look, if you’re out, I’ll send you what you need for the Ledger.
WTF!
I’ve saved that hilarious lie- You’ll contradict that bullshit 2 dozen times before even the regular season ends…
“That’s all I ask from my GM. He’s trying. Let’s hope it works out…”
To quote you, “stop distorting and misrepresenting my comments.” WTF don’t you understand? I’ve been crying all along this team needed outside help to win in the postseason. We got it. Sabean realized that as well and addressed the problem. I’m happy. You and everyone else should be as well. If everything else on your club remains equal, this move significantly increases our chances of repeating. What’s not to like? I think you’re still upset that Miggy isn’t going to reach your prediction of .270/15/70. It’s OK, TF. Somebody had to clean the Room B latrine.
I don’t dislike the move- but I’m not so fucking stupid as to claim that it no longer matters how they fare. Brian tried…
OK, so Carlos probably plays about 55 more gms this year. That’s ~ 220 plate app. Guesses for his numbers as a Giant? I’m feeling like the “crazy eights” card game for Carlos… .888/8/28 I’ll take that for the rest of the year…
The stable is rocking!
This is a good trade, Nipper. Crack open a cheap cold one and celebrate. I’ll even let you put in on my tab.
Have you seen my bar tab lately? It’d make Norm Peterson blush.
Oh, I bailed on Miggy a long time ago- I’m not like your kind. Fact is you modified your call- originally they weren’t even making the playoff without outside help. Sabean has acknowledged what *I* contended from the beginning- the move is with an eye to the postseason- and his statements make it clear-they’d better fucking advance. Zero credt for a “nice try”,
But anyway, get off it. You make a few dozen contradictory calls every year.
Ron Darling on Met pre-game:
“The Giants are sick of watching Aubrey Huff ground out to 2nd three times a game.”
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He said the Giants, not Giant fans…
Who gives a fuck what Darling says? Huff has actually hit pretty well since his break.
Well, apparently Beltran is now the every day right fielder according to Boch. Doesn’t it seem obvious the team would be better with him in left and nate in right?
Maybe I misheard, but it seems that Beltran refused to play LF. Good start on that team chemistry..
Too bad he didn’t wanna catch
Where did you mishear that?…
The Bipper said Beltran wanted RF.
Said Beltran was the “big dog” so he gets what he wants.,
Now that the Giants actually have a power bat, the LU takes greater importance…Where will he bat? How often will he get pitched around? Who bats after him?
Mets are 6th in NL in team OPS. Giants 15/16. Beltran will get pitched around more in SF for sure, regardless of who is in front/back of him…
Put it on Nate to show his worth- Panda/Beltran/Shierholtz 3-4-5
I thought Panda was moving to cleanup . . .
as in Beltran/Panda/Schierholtz 3-4-5.
They wouldn’t pitch around Beltran for long with that LU
Beltran has seen RF, right? Really? He nixed LF?
A plus coming in for Beltran is that he obviously wanted to come to SF, he has a full no trade clause, so he could have nixed it. He’ll probably end up next year with the Phils or Yanks for some big dollars. The guy is 34, I wouldn’t be giving him much length in a contract. Meanwhile, I hope he doesn’t lose his touch with the bat over here; ATT can play with your mind….
I gave his numbers here. Except for HRs ( zero in 80+ AB), pretty good.
I wouldnt trust anyone but Panda to bat after Beltran.
I don’t like it either. Keep Panda third and Beltran goes cleanup.
And Cody Ross needs to get fucking plunked for all his bat tosses. Not to mention his bat toss vs the Horse. Fuck him, too.
That’s not what Joe said,
BLEEP HIM!