2012 Starting Staff Earning a Place in History?

Posted in Uncategorized by dirtnrocksnomo on July 18, 2012

With his performance last night Zito notched his 8th win. With Vogelsong going today and Bumgarner and Cain pacing the staff it got me to thinking that the Giants could have multiple ten game winners in 2012. Now, I know that in this age of stats, sabermetrics and fantasy league rosterbation the W is not what it used to be what with all the other fancy new measurements and what not. Still at the end of the day a W is a W and accumulating wins gets your club to the post season. Doing an exhaustive search of the inter webs I found that a staff of multiple 10 game winners isn’t something that happens too often. Free agency, league expansion, the decline in popularity of the sport driving the better athletes to different sports are just some of the reasons. Here are the numbers so far for this years staff.

2012 SF Giants: Bumgarner (11-5, 3.15), Cain (10-3, 2.56), Zito (8-6, 3.75), Vogelsong (7-4,2.36), Lincecum (double double animal style)

While not complete, 2012 is shaping up as quite a year of pitching by the bay. Take a look at the list below. It is littered with famous names and flashes in the pan, teams that won it all and teams that didn’t but the starting pitchers won a lot of games for their teams. From just a win/loss record where do you think individuals starters of the 2012 staff will finish? Where do you think this SF Giants staff needs to end up at the year to be included in the discussion?

1988 Mets: David Cone (20-3, 2.22), Dwight Gooden (18-9, 3.19), Ron Darling (17-9, 3.25), Sid Fernandez (12-10, 3.03), Bob Ojeda (10-13, 2.88)
2003 A’s: Barry Zito (14-12, 3.30), Tim Hudson (16-7, 2.70), Ted Lilly (12-10, 4.34), Mark Mulder (15-9, 3.13)
2002 Braves: Tom Glavine (18-11, 2.96), Greg Maddux (16-6, 2.62), Kevin Millwood (18-8, 3.24), Damian Moss (12-6, 3.42)
1929 A’s: Lefty Grove (20-6, 2.82), George Earnshaw (24-8, 2.82), Rube Walberg (18-11, 3.59), Jack Quinn (11-9, 3.97)
1954 Braves: Warren Spahn (21-12, 3.14), Lew Burdette (15-14, 2.76), Gene Conley (14-9, 2.96), Chet Nichols (9-11, 4.41), Jim Wilson (8-2, 3.52)
1972 A’s: Ken Holtzman (19-11, 2.51), Catfish Hunter (21-7, 2.04), Blue Moon Odom (15-6, 2.50), Vida Blue (6-10, 2.80), Dave Hamilton (6-6, 2.93)
1964 White Sox: Gary Peters (20-8, 2.50), Juan Pizarro (19-9, 2.56), Joe Horlen (13-9, 1.88), John Buzhardt (10-8, 2.98)
1927 Yankees: Waite Hoyt (22-7, 2.63), Urban Shocker (18-6, 2.84), Herb Pennock (19-8, 3.00), Dutch Ruether (13-6, 3.38), George Pipgras (10-3, 4.11)
1954 Cleveland Indians: Early Wynn (23-11, 2.73), Mike Garcia (19-8, 2.64), Bob Lemon (23-7, 2.72), Art Houtteman(15-7, 3.35), Bob Feller (13-3, 3.09)
1954 New York Giants: Johnny Antonelli (21-7, 2.30), Ruben Gomez (17-9, 2.88), Sal Maglie (14-6, 3.26), Don Liddle(9-4, 3.06), Jim Hearn (8-8, 4.15)
1966 Los Angeles dodgers: Sandy Koufax (27-9, 1.73), Don Drysdale (13-16, 3.42), Claude Osteen (17-14, 2.85), Don Sutton (12-12, 2.99)
1993 Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux (20-10, 2.36), Tom Glavine (22-6, 3.20),Steve Avery (18-6, 2.94), John Smoltz (15-11, 3.62)
1986 New York Mets: Ron Darling (15-6, 2.81), Dwight Gooden (17-6, 2.84), Sid Fernandez (16-6, 3.52), Bob Ojeda(18-5, 2.57), Rick Aguilera (10-7, 3.88)
1971 Baltimore Orioles: Mike Cueller (20-9, 3.08), Pat Dobson (20-8, 2.90), Jim Palmer (20-9, 2.68), Dave McNally(21-5, 2.68)
1998 Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux (18-9, 2.22), Tom Glavine (20-6, 2.47), Denny Neagle (16-11, 3.55), Kevin Millwood (17-8, 4.08), John Smoltz (17-3, 2.90)

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Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:41 pm

clutch triple. He wasn’t gonna get denied there. Would be nice to see that type of attitude from Belt once in a while……
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:42 pm

There ya go. . .
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm

They’re doing us a favor walking Crawfish.
Macdog said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm

Is this the first intentional walk for Crawford without the pitcher on deck?
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Chippahhhhh!!!
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

That wa Orel Saxian
Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

outstanding.
If they go on to win, it was won by Arias’ clutch hit and hustle…..
- twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:50 pm
  
  And outstanding relief pitching.I haven’t seen anyone not hustle, BTW.
  - Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm
    
    me neither. I wasn’t saying others weren’t. But I haven’t seen anyone run the way Arias did on that hit that could easily have been a textbook double.
  - twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    
    I loved it.
Bozo said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm

Chipper wants to go home.
blade3colorado said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:46 pm

The old man’s farewell tour is not going well tonight. Hahaha!
- Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:53 pm
  
  back around ’93/’94 my girlfriend was out with her sista’s in The City doing a girls night out thing. They ended up meeting some Braves at a bar who had gone out after a game. Chipper, and again this is according to Noel I wasn’t there, “followed me to the bathroom and when I came out tried to make out with me.” She denied him and he kept trying. Nothing happened, the whole encounter lasted like a minute. And I KNOW this is how it went down, Noel was a firey ass chick of Panamanian decent. She took less than no shit.
  Anyway, I’ve always LQTM when I see ol’ Chipper playing ball…
  - blade3colorado said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:07 pm
    
    Reminds me of when I was in Spain in 1977 (I was 22). I’m in this hotel bar, talking up this nice looking blond, and about to “seal the deal” on going up to her room . . . Anyway, I have to drain the vein and when I get back from the restroom, a pro tennis player – I found out later from her that he was playing in a local USTA tour event – has already moved from his table to where I was sitting at the bar, trying to make time with her. What an asshole . . . Fortunately, I didn’t have to do anything, because she was less than impressed with his pro tennis tour credentials. No idea who this fuck was. Anywho, a half hour later, the baloney poney got relieved and everyone was happy. 🙂
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:47 pm

Busting out the Flare pen!
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:49 pm

Farfignugen
Macdog said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:49 pm

The ex-Brave gittin’ ‘er done again.
DJLoo said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:50 pm

Scheherezade
twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 8:57 pm

Christian has a way of swatting at those flyballs that’s a little unsettling.
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

Oh boy . . . I liked it better when Casilla wasn’t channelling Weezy
Macdog said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

Ah, shit.
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

Fuck this
Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

ouch. Skull fuck me right now. Unreal.
Bozo said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

Now we’re fucked.
Alleykat said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:00 pm

Jesus Fucking Casilla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:02 pm

Well, shit. I agree, no way they thought he’d he’d take it out to left.
unca_chuck said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:02 pm

Whatever has been said about Casilla is getting a little more on point. 5 out of his last 8 blown.
Bozo said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:02 pm

What the fuck were we doing with our Closer in there with a save situation.
Nipper said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm

BLEEP!
IH1978 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm

Casilla, you fuck. At least walk over to the Braves dugout and give McCann a reach-around
Alleykat said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm

God im having a Armando Benitez flashback.They might be looking for a closer now with his.5th blown save in his last 8 chances.
- demp28 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:30 pm
  
  Casilla IS Benitez
Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm

That play by Whiteside was hilarious. Did he get some inside info on that before the pitch was thrown? It was like 2 feet away from McCann, he coulda been thrown out by 7 feet if he didn’t go *all in* on that immediately……
Belt is getting good at not swinging at pitches which, right now, I will take from him…..
- tedspe said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm
  
  Yang
IH1978 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:16 pm

About all Belt can do now, sadly, is walk. As great as Arias triple was, his last AB was equal in putridity.
- twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm
  
  Getitng his eye back is a good sign.
tedspe said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:17 pm

SCHWING!!!
Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:17 pm

Crawford’s Kirk Gibson moment?
Bozo said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:18 pm

Mud bugging it
blade3colorado said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:18 pm

Crawdad comes through in a big, big way.
Alleykat said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm

Holy Shit,What a time for your 2nd.HR of the Season Brandon!!!
twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm

What a blast. Last time I saw a guy do that after getting whacked was Randy Winn and I think it was a game winner.
blade3colorado said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm

Season can’t come to an end soon enough for Ol’ Chipper.
Nipper said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:20 pm

Holy BLEEP!
Alleykat said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm

Chipper’s farewell tour should just end tonight!
- Nipper said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:24 pm
  
  Bye, bye….
Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm

this is a fantastic game……
Nipper said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm

Blanco !
tedspe said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm

Another…SCHWING!!!
Flavor said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm

and Casilla’s gonna get a well deserved win. LQTM……
Ratsy said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:23 pm

Don’t think you want Durbin pitching to lefties
Alleykat said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:24 pm

Bingo Blanco!!! Some wild shit happening in the.Peach State tonight.
manny said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:24 pm

Fucking explosion in Atlanta!!!
ewisco said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:24 pm

i came in to check if the blog was on fire after the casilla outing and boom! came back in to check who had belt, whitey and crawford as the winning runs and boom. not sure if i should go back and watch the tv.
Bozo said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:27 pm

You West Coasters please get us a win. This is one tired Clown on this side of the States and can’t avoid that pillow any longer.
tedspe said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm

What’s the opposite of SCHWING?
Fuck. It’s Chipper Jones. Give it to him. Add to his HofF stats. Fuck it
Alleykat said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Of course a leadoff HR for Chipper,this game is incredible.
twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:34 pm

I think Melky started celebrating early.
ewisco said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:38 pm

that was pretty exciting. i think i’m starting to officially worry about casilla.
- zumie said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:40 pm
  
  We have a closer problem.
  - zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm
    
    And Romo’s not the answer at the closer, either. I didn’t like his body language in the dugout after he was taken out. He looked like a sweaty, defeated mess.
  - zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm
    
    I shouldn’t say “taken out.” I just meant when the inning was over.
Salty said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm

Penny acquisition might become big …I’d give the big fella a shot at closing.
- zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm
  
  It’s something for them to think about. Affeldt’s not the answer. His stuff is inconsistent.
  - twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    
    Maybe, but outside of Romo, Jeremy has been their best reliever. I’d still stick with Casilla. He’s had some rough blown saves.
- twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:46 pm
  
  I wouldn’t bail on Casilla yet. Fun game. GNight.
  - zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:47 pm
    
    I didn’t have as much fun with it. I’m tired of watching that guy mess up games.
  - twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:55 pm
    
    Casilla pitched McCann the way they wanted to. He hadn’t hit a HR the other way all year. Anyway, i thought it was a fun game.
Macdog said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm

No Posey, no Pablo and no Pagan in extra innings. So of course the Giants score 8 runs, including a pair of 3-run bombs by Crawford and Blanco, both of whom didn’t even start the game. That is one remarkable win.
zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:46 pm

The talking point is forever gone that we don’t miss Wilson.
- twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:50 pm
  
  We’ll see about that.
  - twinfan1 said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:59 pm
    
    We lead the league in team saves (33) and tied for second in save percentage ( before tonight).
  - zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm
    
    That’s an over-rated statistic because the goal is to win as many games as possible by 4 or more runs. The goal is not to have to win by close scores. Saves are important, I’m just saying a low-scoring team like the Giants will always be near the top of the list of team saves.
ewisco said, on July 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm

‘night lads.
zumiee said, on July 18, 2012 at 10:09 pm

It’s a great win for the Giants, no doubt about it; but I don’t think Bochy is sleeping happy tonight. He knows he has a major problem at closer.
snarkk said, on July 18, 2012 at 11:08 pm

I saw none of this game, but sure looks from highlights like a headbanger late. Calling Houston Street?…
snarkk said, on July 19, 2012 at 12:00 am

Anybody that blows a save should not get the win if the team, as it did tonight, comes back afterwards to take the game. Casilla getting a win tonight is a joke…
Nipper said, on July 19, 2012 at 12:53 am

Day Baseball Today!
eddacker said, on July 19, 2012 at 4:09 am

A re-watch was in order. Melky with the single HR, Santiago with the tying HR in the 10th for the blown save, then the win as pitcher of record during the top of the 11th where 2 Giants stepped up. Mudbug/Shark
SWEEET! Rymes with SWEEP
Cheers for the hitting and go Bumgarner
willedav said, on July 19, 2012 at 7:29 am

half the teams in the NL have serious closer issues: dodgers, cards, mets, brewers, marlins, bax, cubs, rox at least for starters. They’ve made changes from originals and/or had many problems closing games. A’s are on their third of the year, and even boston and yanks (after Mo went down) have had significant issues.
Sabes has already said romo can’t hold up physically to the challenge, and outside of casilla there isn’t anyone else that has his stuff. Each of the last two blown saves have come after he got two outs–and McCann is an allstar who barely poked one out opposite field. Yes, casilla is not locating pitches where he needs to, but I don’t want to see anyone else in there. Street isn’t gonna fool any more guys than casilla either imo.