The Doosh-Backs
It’s nice to see the D-backs staying focused and professional through the end of the season. Jeez, what happened to professionalism? These guys are laying down like dogs. I suppose I should be happy about it, these wins go straight in the bank and at this point in the season each one is like gold. I just have no respect for them.
Remember in 2010 when the Cubs took out the Padres near the end of the season? I think they might have swept them or something like that allowing us to still have a chance on the final game of the season.
Now THAT is a team to respect and honor.
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
After the season, Kirk Gibson…..he gone.
So, 49er broadcaster, Ted Robinson had to weigh in on the Rice situation, and prove that he could be as tone-deaf on the issue as the rest of the NFL.
KNBR has suspended Robinson for 2 games, and will be scheduling him for sensitivity training. I don’t know much about Robinson but I’d be willing to bet he’s a Fox News type of guy. One of the Fox News broadcasters got some heat for saying that Rice’s wife “should have taken the stairs.”
You know, you hear something like that, and you just can’t fathom where some people are coming from. I don’t mean to offend any Flappers that are Fox News watchers, but I just don’t get the mindset. And, I guess, they don’t get my mindset either. Such is the division in our culture.
zum, I’ve heard Robinson over the years, including when he was bcasting Giants, and to me, he’s a very vanilla guy. Cerebral, measured, doesn’t like to say stuff that pushes the envelope. Not a Fox type, at least visibly. I’m ambivalent about his style, always have been. Doesn’t push my meter one way or another. He’s a white collar, Stanford type schmoozer that came outta Notre Dame and does tennis broadcasts with McEnroe, for pete’s sake. I didn’t hear what he said, but I read about it this morning. Yeah, some pretty weird stuff, like calling the Janay Palmer’s decision to marry Rice “pathetic” and that she was partly responsible for not speaking up. Huh? That’s uncool, especially after hearing so much on the airwaves the past 10 days about what battered women typically have as a mindset — guilt and fear. You’d think Robinson would have known some of this, but maybe he’s been schmoozing with the swells crowd for way too long to get a clue about what goes on in this world. Ironic that he gets a two game suspension for saying stoopid and hurtful things, and MacDonald keeps playing though he’s been busted for domestic violence. Niners probably couldn’t take any more PR hits, so they had to suspend Robinson. I think it was the right move. One thing Robinson has going for him as a Niner announcer is that he’s not Joe Starkey. Starkey still does Cal football on KGO, he’s awful…
I couldn’t stand Ted Robinson when he called games for the Giants. I still remember being annoyed by the way he enunciated certain words. He had a way of getting overly excited about the most mundane moments of a game…Can’t imagine that football on the radio garners much of an audience anyway. Will anyone actually notice that he is gone?
Yeah, WJoe, no contest if it’s Miller vs. Ted Robinson. He’s not my favorite to be the Niner guy, but he’s known around the Bay Area. Robinson never seemed to stay long with a certain team, because I think he really doesn’t have style people can get a hold of — it’s just competent, and lacks flavor. That’s why he’s a hired gun and shows up bcasting all sorts of different events. One and done stuff. But, for the Niners, I can’t think of anybody else right now who might be better. KNBR’s Fitzgerald is going to pinch hit for him on the Niner bcasts — ugh…
Fitzgerald is the absolute worst. He has no business doing play by play for any professional sport. As much as I dislike Greg Papa, he did a good job doing radio play by play for the Warriors. I was too young to remember hearing Bill King do basketball, but I thought Papa did a fine job.
Agree WJoe. Papa gets maligned for a lot of things, but he was pretty darn good as a basketball announcer. He worked a bit for the Spurs, too. Too bad you never heard King with the Dubs. I never heard Chick Hearn much other than on short sound bytes, so I can’t say Bill was better than Chick. I can say Bill was fantastic as a basketball announcer. I heard him do the Raiders (great) and a bit with the A’s (good). He was best at basketball. What a wordsmith, and able to do that at warp speed calling NBA action. In the non-cable days, he painted a word picture of basketball action that made you feel like you were actually seeing it…
Loved seeing the love for the Talking Heads on the last thread. Great band. Broken up too soon, IMO; but David Byrne wanted to try some other things.
1977-78 they did an outdoor free concert in SF. Trying remember where …SFSU? Maybe someone else was there. Bryne doing Pscho Killer …he sort of looked like one then. 😉
Saw ’em twice free in Sproul Plaza at UCB then. Have never paid to see them since, not even for the movie 🙂
Was too young to catch them live, but I did see David Byrne when I first moved to Austin in 1997 (in fact it was my first concert there). To this day it ranks as one my top 5 concert moments. One of the most intense live performers I have ever seen. He changed clothes about every fifth song, as he would be drenched in sweat. What was amazing was how quickly he could change clothes and it never affected the pace of the show.
Ah, that was it! Thanks!
The D-Backs stunk up the joint in L.A., and now they’re doing the same in S.F., so at least they’re equal-opportunity screw-ups.
I remember that 2010 season the Giants lost 2 of 3 at home in mid-Sept. to the Brewers, who were slightly less worse than the Cubs. The Giants salvaged the series finale mainly because Jose Guillen made his one and only major contribution in his brief stay with the Giants. That’s always been a fascinating part of September baseball for me, when contending teams actually get pushed from a sub-.500 team. I expect the Padres won’t be quite as generous as the D-Backs. Let’s hope the Cubs are the same vs. the Bums.
No, the worst screw-ups — and why I loathe them — are the Rockies. It goes all the way back to 1993. They needed to win ONE muthafecking game, ONE GAME, to help us out, and they did not. Prove my memory wrong. Same in 2003 or 2004.
Rocks play 6 against LA in the next two weeks. I’m figuring they’ll lay down like dogs again, and I’m hoping the Cubs atone for the famous suspended rain delay game and take 3 of 4 from LA back at Wrigley…
Prefer they just beat LA head to head in these 6 games and not rely on other crap teams.
Either way, they will probably need to take at least 4 of the 6.
Bingo. If Gyros split or worse in the 6 v. LA, the division’s probably gone.
Whatever. Focus one game at a time, that way the WC berth is the worst outcome…
Presuming a win today and a split with the 6 games against LA, they’d need to pick up 2 games in the other 10 to tie.Not out of the question at all. We would then host the tie breaker by having a 10-9 head-to-head advantage..
LA has 6 left with SF, 6 left with the Rocks, and 4 with Cubs at Wrigley. LA so far this season has handled the Rocks well.
Of the 10 with Rocks and Cubs, I can easily see LA taking 7 (5 of 6 from Rocks, split with Cubs). If SF and LA split, that gives LA 10 more wins, and they end up finishing 10-6 and at 93W. Giants would need to win 13 of next 17 (13-4) to get to 93 and tie. That’s a tall order.
If Cubs could take 3 of 4 from LA, and Giants 4 of 6, that allows for LA to still take 5 of 6 from the bad Rocks, and LA would finish 8-8, and at 91Ws. Giants would “only” need to go 11-6 in remaining games to get to 91 and tie…
Pawlie mentioned last night that Jacob deGrom has been out there as a ROY candidate. He’s in NYC, so he’s got a leg up on it already. If he doesn’t make it, he can always get into painting — he sounds like an old Dutch Master. If the Mets have an up and coming catcher named, say, Chick Vermeer, that’d be a helluva battery…
. . . or Markus Rembrandt, a pitcher who paints the corners
http://tinyurl.com/luvm4np
I don’t know if it factors in, Snarkk, but I can tell you that New York is really not that much of a baseball town anymore in my opinion. Much of that is due to a big change in the ethnic makeup of the city in the past 20 years, ridiculous ticket prices at the 2 new stadiums, the old fans dying off or moving away, kids gravitating to other sports, the perennial crappiness of the Mets, and so on.
Well, you know better than I, Loo, about what’s happening there in the Big Snapple.
My POV from the WCoast is that out here we get NYC centric sports forced down our gullet constantly from national media sources, from Yanks and Mets to the two NFL teams — so why not a ROY? Seriously, who out here but NY expats give an S about the Jets, but we get showered with Jets crap from the national media as if that team is really important. And, that’s when they don’t play the Raiders. I could give an S about how many picks Eli Manning throws. To a lesser degree the RSox and Pats, but same thing. Hard to avoid it out here, if you pay attention to sports media much. The Jetergasm stuff played way over the top of the Dodger v. Giants division race…
*BProspectus Postseason (based on their playoff percentages) :
*NL WC- Giants def. Pittsburgh, NLDS- Wash. def. Giants ,NLDS- Dodgers def. Cards, NLCS- Wash def. LA
*AL WC- KC def. Oakland, ALDS Angels def. KC, Balt def. Detroit, ALCS- Angels def. Balt
* World Series- Angels def. Washington
Today’s LU:
1. Angel Pagan (S) CF
2. Joe Panik (L) 2B
3. Buster Posey (R) C
4. Pablo Sandoval (S) 3B
5. Hunter Pence (R) RF
6. Gregor Blanco (L) LF
7. Travis Ishikawa (L) 1B
8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
9. Jake Peavy (R) P
Those scenarios look very plausible. Angels are looking like a damn juggernaut. I’d love the Giants to get another crack at ’em in the WS. However, a great series IMO would be not Angels, but Orioles vs. Nats. I lived in the DC burbs a few years in the 90s. I can tell you the DC / Balt metro would friggin blow up over that…
The killer P’s…
Caltrain headed north looking for a swwwweeep.
Sweep ’em out, dirt!…
Viel Spaß!…
Auf geht’s Giants!
Yeah, silly me is posting to the previous thread . . .
Emphatic yes on Talking Heads. Saw the Stop Making Sense tour at the Greek, and it was one of the best shows I’ve seen. He opened the show with an acoustic guitar, and a boom box playing a drum beat and played Psycho Killer. Killer indeed.
Cool thing was, they took a break in the middle of the show and Chris Harrison and Tina Weymouth did 45 minutes of the Tom Tom club. Or maybe that was the show the year before, when David Byrne had his 12 piece band, including Adrian Belew. They all kind of blur together.
As far as Ted Robinson goes, I hated him as a Giants announcer, and I didn’t really think much either way of him as a football guy. He’s just OK. I miss Starkey and Plummer. Or even Eric Davis.
But really, can you be more tone-deaf to all the talk around domestic violence, Ted? Blaming the victim and calling their life pathetic is not going to fly very far, eh?
I don’t miss Starkey. At all. You can listen to him on Cal games, Chuck, and get a fix of his “what, me call down, distance, time and score?” announcing style. Disjointed is an understatement.
1. “and it’s a fumble! — No., wait a minute, they might have blown the play dead — but, did the ball come out? — aaaaaand they’re calling it — NO, it IS a fumble — but, wait, now they’re getting a replay ruling…”.
2. “and, our score is 33-17 middle of the third quarter” WHO’s winning, Joe?
3. “Goff throws it downfield… and it’s, it’s — there’s a tussle — CAUGHT!. Tregs made a great leaping catch on that ball! Oh, NO. That’s, that’s right, that’s Lawler. Great catch by Lawler, Tregs is on the sideline with cramps. So the Bears get a great catch of 36 yards to move downfield… uh, check that, it’s a 26 yard gain”…
4. “So, 10 minutes left here in the 3rd quarter, Bears down by 3, on their own 36. Mike, if they don’t convert this 3rd and 7, it could spell real trouble for them”…
Never listened to his Cal work, short of “the band IS ON THE FIELD!!!” but I alays thought his 49ers stuff was pretty spot-on. I had the same problem back then with Lon Simmons. I know, sacrilege, but he’d wander off on a tangent and you’d hear the crowd reacting to shit he wasn’t bothering to talk about.
How dare you diss Lon! 😉
No, I agree. Football wasn’t Lon’s best sport. That was a great call on the Steve Young run vs. Vikes, though.
I’d take Lon over Starkey, but not by much. Agree with you on Plummer. He was good, and wasn’t afraid to call out players on screw ups or bad effort. Typical linebacker mentality. Too bad he said some over the top sex stuff on tape — and that was that. Eric Davis was fine. This new guy Ryan, I dunno. Too soon to tell…
Belt getting his concussion evaluation today, and hopes to resume baseball activities tomorrow.
Ted was a protégé of my Dad and I knew Ted fairly well, and his wife hosted a dinner party for her company, at my Napa restaurant. I think that he’s a very good “jack of all trades” announcer, competent in all, exceptional in none. I think he’s been best in his tennis coverage.
His comments about Janay Rice surprised me but I haven’t seen Ted for 15 years or so. Some people become more narrow minded as they age and heavy involvement in the jock world is hardly conducive to a broad minded view of “real life”. My recollection of his wife, Mary, is that he is in deeeeep shit on the home front.
I was very surprised at what he said on this topic. He’s usually very measured, very vanilla, almost boring. IMO not only has he been caught up in the jock world, he’s spent too much time with the high brow tennis crowd and the wine sipping Silicon Valley / Stanford swells (did Stanfoo games for years, is plugged into that orbit) — I’m giving him that excuse as what generated that very dumb, very ignorant and cliché statement. If he’s a neanderthal under that smooth exterior, I’d be very surprised…
I got banned?
Weird – I was just trying to post some tame comments and it kept blocking them
Block-A-Doodle-Do
Football radio announcers don’t seem to get much recognition in general. It’s such a TV sport.
Marty Glickman was very respected here way back when.
All the potential scenarios are ok, but Giants just need to win series. Of the six left against the bums, I think the Giants realistically need to take 5 of 6 to have a shot at the division. 4 of 6 with some help from the Sherpas and Cubbies might do it. Any way you slice it, it is going to be interesting. Enjoy the game, Micah, and get us a win brother!
There’s certainly a range of “blame the victim,” and it sounded to me like Robinson publicly expressed a natural incredulity at her choices, when a more studied, circumspect response was called for. I get the cycle of abusive relationships as well as anyone else who has been exposed to the right articles, TV movies etc. and given a moments’ thought to the complexity of his or her own attachments; I am also still going to wonder, why the fuck would she stick with someone who is capable of treating her like that. Can’t help it.
Money. Lots and lots of money.
Could it be the threat of death?
Well said, James. You scratch your head, but it’s hard to put yourself in somebody else’s shoes. I’ve got two daughters, and I would come unglued if some Dbag hit one of mine like that. I just don’t get how someone in the public eye and as experienced as Robinson can call the victim in this situation “pathetic” for anything she did or didn’t do. I’ve used that word here, but in this kind of thing where a woman’s been beaten down like a dog? He needed to take a week or two off for that…
I think you’re right.”Sad” is a defensible choice of words, “pathetic” was what did him in.
Think Nicole Simpson ever got smacked around?
The filter is malfunctioning – I’m not using cuss words and it’s blocking all my material.
Hey, twin – good to see ya here.
It’s Flav’s new Dodger fan filter . . .
You got through, so it’s not blocking ALL your material…
One man’s opinion about 1:50 into it…
Are MLB players not into domestic violence — or is MLB just better at covering that stuff up?
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/7/28/5936835/ray-rice-chuck-knoblauch-minnesota-twins-mlb-domestic-abuse-violence
Ted said it in a way that was insensitive and not very smart. IMO both Rice and Tamay(?) need help. Him for his violent ways. Her, because if he does not get help she is more than likely going to take a beating again. I only hope she gets help before it is too late. She needs to understand that spousal abuse doesn’t go away with a “I am sorry honey, never again, I love you so lets get married.”
The DBax are in full play the kids mode–remember, they are playing without Golds and GM dumped off Parra and Prado. Those are 3 pretty solid players and best they had, and Golds was hitting .300. Gibson is a doof and his pitching staff mostly sucks, but a lot of guys are out there playing for jobs/auditioning for someone else.
They aren’t laying down, they are just over matched.
I’ve said before Rox have a better core of young position players even without tulo and cargo, and a couple of their pitchers aren’t bad either if you could get them out of the launching pad they play in.
Pads have some pitching too and the kid Gyorko is trying to rebound from nightmare soph jinx year. But otherwise, their offense is just weak and mostly very young; they dumped off vets Headley and Street to the AL.
Bottom line, I don’t think any of these teams with a lot of young guys are tanking it, just still learning, which often happens the hard way.
Good points. With their big players out, it was just imponderable how the Giants did not get fat off the Rockies, like LA has done so far. The more I read about the Rocks (meaning a little, not nothing), the more I’m beginning to believe blade — his thesis is that the altitude is a big factor in causing the injuries to that team…
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/94066276/dodgers-giants-rivalry-matches-up-with-any
Going to be good.
It will be a September to Remember. I hope the memories are the fondest for Giant fans!
Pagan with the leadoff two bagger!…
Rooster–try using a different email addy. If that doesn’t work, email me. bigflavor77@gmail.com
Part of what I base my “he gone” about Gibson is that La Russa is probably going to want to wipe the slate clean, and bring in someone of his own choosing. I don’t follow D-Backs local media, but nationally, there seems to be a deafening silence from La Russa about Gibson.
It would be weird how it could give a slight appearance of revenge for the ’88 W.S. homerun. That’s probably the last thing on La Russa’s mind, though, in this case.
Or is it? La Russa is pretty weird.
Yeah, Gibby is gone. LaRussa will bring in somebody he knows, somebody he can control. Or, hell, he might just manage himself. How many ARF fundraisers can you attend before the barking gets to you?…
Score first, and win!
The Pollock kid that just doubled was the guy they wanted to play CF after they traded away Adam Eaton to chisox for their closer, Addison Reed. Eaton has had a fine season, Reed is very ordinary, and Pollock got hurt and missed a lot of time. The other young OF having a good season is Peralta, who is also hurt right now.
I remember when Giants were beating the Rocks one their guys was tweeting on cbs site about how last 3 guys in the order were just off the SkySox AAA team.
Oh man, I know it’s their job, but I can’t listen to this BS.
Peavy so far has struck out almost every out recorded.
Hope pitch count doesn’t get him. gotta run to work, catch up later.
Hope Bud isn’t still droning on much longer.
Way to work out of that minor jam! Great to get that out and have the pitcher leading off next inning.
A’s go down again. 1-0 to Sale and the ChiSox.
Talk about a friggin free fall — holy smokes…
Giants go after this guy?
Looks like he could get in a little better shape…
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/94205800/cuban-slugger-tomas-moves-closer-to-mlb-eligibility
What the hell…always worth a look. I am looking forward to seeing Carbonell in the fall league games I will see early next month.
How the mighty have fallen. The Splash used to be non-stop A’s trolls dogging every misstep by the Giants.
They have gone the way of the dodo . . .
Fuck yeah. A pitcher’s best friend…the ol’ double play!
injury delay?
Two out RBI…hell yes!
Can Bud just get the fuck lost. Just go away…forever ya dickwad.
Oracle should be the next Commissioner.
He’d piss a lot of people off, but he’d do what’s right for baseball and the fans.
I’d do it, too.
But, I’d just piss a lot of people off…
LMAO. Michael has my vote. Maybe you can be vice commissioner, Tom.
Yes, we need a commissioner of vice. Tom’s the man . . .
Don’t follow my vices, folks. Unless you want to lose your gallbladder.
Hey, maybe I didn’t need it anyway… 😉
Maybe they don’t piss test for that job.
Some new developments in the story of “how Puig got to the Dodgers.” It would make an interesting episode of a detective show or something.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/yasiel-puig-cuba-smuggling-florida-mexico-gilberto-suarez-charged-091114
Adding on. Way to go Perez. Nice poke…
Pedal to the Metal!
Bring on the bumbinos from la la land…
Man, like I said, I forget to tape the game and they win. I remember, they lose.
Here’s to my shitty memory
Lose the “tape” this weekend, OK?…
Strickland gives a new element out of the pen…he can be on the playoff roster right?
Good point.
He came up Sept 1, right? Need to be on the 25 man as of end Aug 31 to automatically qualify. So, he’s not on it, not automatic for playoffs. But, if somebody on the 25 were “injured” at the time playoff rosters are submitted, Strickland could replace them for the playoffs. So, if Strickland looks like a major player in the Pen, somebody on the 25 might suddenly get “injured”…
Spose that “injury” might happen to Mr speed limit in some jurisdictions? Maybe a pulled tendon in his pinkie or something like that.
Boy, Casilla gets it done, but sure doesn’t inspire huge confidence…
Sweep complete! Bring on the Bums.
Dirt got the sweep mojo going.
Way to go, Dirt!…
Everyone knows about the Marichal-Spahn marathon in ’63, but you might’ve heard K & K mention this one during the game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CIN/CIN196709010.shtml
Ol’ Bud on the radio talked about how he was THERE at the ‘Stick for that 16-inning game…
16 shutout innings for Perry! Yikes. And a solid performance by San Luis Obispo High grad Mel Queen. Both of my brothers graduated from SLO High.
I’m hanging out in the band room waiting for Back to School night to begin at my school in about 20 minutes. Band director has had the new Phish album playing while I hang out here. I know nothing about them, but many of the songs sound good to me.
Peavy with 6 wins? That sounded ludicrous a month or so ago.
Howdja like that new Snakeskin hatband the Gigantes are wearing? Third best record in the NL and climbing. Wonder how nervous they are down in LaLaLand right about now. Some awfully fine pitching lately and those runs vs so-so pitching just keep piling up. Bums starters will be something else. Their defense is sputtering, though. Could be quite the series.
In a brewpub watching the pirates beating Phils 4 – 0 in the 8th. I want no part of the Bucs in a WC game…
Belt has been cleared for all baseball activities…
we’ll see. I think there is something very wrong with his brain. I hope he doesn’t push it. But if he’s truly back to baseline then he would be a great addition….
I’ve been skeptical about the handling of this from when he had to led from the field after he was hit by Marco’s throw. Then after he returned from the 7-day DL. he experienced more symptoms which a team doctor said were not concussion related. It was on the road and I don’t remember the team. One thing they did do right was to not rely on that. But the expert he has seen is a sports doctor,. He’s said to be an expert on concussions but I do not understand why a neurologist was not the doctor who was consulted with. I asked Pav about it and he said that he didn’t know of any other doctor that Belt had seen after the symptoms that he has been kept out for.
At any rate, and I don’t want to minimize how much he “might” help, I just don’t see that after this long and also having the broken thumb, that the risk in playing him this year outweighs any reward. Let him have the winter to rest and work out as long he stays symptom free.
Snarrk, I take it you we’re cleared for all drinking activities? 😉
Man, I hope my gall bladder doesn’t mind the daily margarita I’ve been throwing down recently. The damn stretch drive is taking it’s toll.
I’m taking it EZ. Home now.
One very low alcohol English bitter, slow and flavorful.
I have a short glass of wine every other night w/dinner. So far, so good. I forgot who had his GB out — WilcoJoe? He had some problems like a seagull after eating fatty foods. I’ve avoided really fatty stuff, and so far, I’m not feeling like a bird. Eating less, too. Keeping off the 13-14 pounds I dropped and maybe taking off 5 more is a goal…
Good to hear.
I had my gall bladder taken out about 30 years ago. It was the result of an automobile accident, however. I had driven off Highway 9 near Boulder Creek and before I flew out the window my gall bladder was partially crushed when my chest hit the steering wheel. I’m only going into the gory details because the doctor I saw ( I actually walked around for a few days before it all hit me ) totally discounted the accident and declared that I had hepatitis c . He had decided that I was a druggie because of my long beard. I KNEW that it was from the crash so I left the hospital after he decided to quarantine me. Went to Phoenix to see my Mom’s doctor. He made the correct diagnosis and my gall bladder was removed two days later. It had partially wrapped around my spine.. the doctor I first saw is still practicing at age 75.
DJLoo, your recall is astounding…how did you connect to that scene from the Pope of Greenwich village (12.07)
I knew it would be a good day at the yard when Pence threw his bat and hit the ball and then the ball bounced off of the bag at 2nd. Then they played VanHalen and I had no doubt that a sweep was imminent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w-NshzYK9y0
I’m getting a copyright for the “Killer P’s”…..
Re Strickland..Someone on the Angels got “mysteriously hurt” and that allowed K rod to get on the Angels 02 team. He was a difference maker..
Re relievers… Cordier had 16 pitches of 100+ in his debut with the Giants, and is 5th for the whole season in most pitches at 100+ I’m really hoping he is a late blommer abd gets his control better enough to make an impact
That Stanton video is brutal to watch. How is it that when a guy gets injured that bad there isn’t an ambulance ready to take him out? They carted his ass out on a freaking golf cart……
I logged on here to specifically comment on that Mickey Mouse cart they wheeled him out on. It was surreal seeing him wedged into that tiny thing like an old roll of carpet. Totally bizarre.
Awful to watch
Re Tomorrow..A must win with MadBum on the hill and Kershaw waiting on Sunday…
Gyros now scoring at season avg 4.19 rpg, that’s tied for 4th in the NL…