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Bum Garnered It

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 30, 2014

There’s a lot of chatter about the word “dynasty” going on right now and I honestly don’t get it or care about it. To me, a dynasty is 1 team of most all the same players who win at least 3 championships over a short period of time. And that isn’t what’s going on. Each of these 3 were gifted to us by different men in different ways. Having a few of the same players on this team who were on the last team or the team before that doesn’t make it a dynasty. To me. But feel free to debate the definition of the word. I’ll be busy raising a third flag in my soul and these absolutely fly forever. That’s not just some bullshit I say because it sounds good. It’s what’s up.

Besides the obvious contributions of one man, I still don’t understand how any of this happened. I’m just so thankful that it happened. When stuff like this happens, even if you’re a cynical, negative person, you start to realize that anything, truly, is possible.

I’m not going to the parade, I’m headed east on a 2 day vacation. Breeders Cup on Sat. World Series win last night. Still can’t type that without shaking my head and smiling…..

The biggest problem I have going right now is finding room on that > side of the blog for another World Series ring picture. Somehow, I’ll make space. 🙂 🙂 🙂

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for those of you who don’t listen to KNBR–a long time ago, some dude wrote a Bumgarner haiku. He read it and had some background drums beating, it’s pretty funny. Anyway, here it is sans music

“Your expanding pants

Now accommodating balls

Big as tractor wheels”

Well said.

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and finally….

dudes

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  1. Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on October 30, 2014 at 6:21 am

    Champions of the World!!!

    Have a safe and sane Off season, Flappers.

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:04 am

      John – there were a number who stuck with them thick and thin…and you probably more so than others. I never gave up on this team either…it has been a magic year. I am so glad to have shared it with the best group of any sport’s fans in the universe. Flap Universe, that is!

  2. Nipper's avatar Nipper said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:03 am

    Damn! This is one unique season. Did anyone see this coming in June and July? I sure didn’t.

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:13 am

      Only Bozo.

  3. wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:10 am

    Well I remember them saying the A’s were a dynasty in the late 80’s, yet they only won one World Series during that time. I have to think we are baseballs first dynasty since the Yankees of the late 90’s-2000. Which was one of baseballs great dynasty’s of all time.

  4. wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:22 am

    I really enjoyed some of the MLB network interviews with the players. Kevin Millar who played college ball down the road at Lamar University was ribbing Bumgarner about his country ways. I am sure they will replay it all day, if you missed it.

    • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:58 am

      Miller was hilarious talking about guns and hunting

      • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:04 am

        Millar that is…Damn you spell check

  5. willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:25 am

    Each team has been so different I don’t see how the definition of dynasty (like big red machine say) can qualify. But this one, talk about *warts and all*, was unbelievable. And half a dozen of them could be gone by ST.

    After all the basking is done (which will be months for me) Sabes has a lot of questions to answer about next year, most of which we have debated here for weeks/months on end.

    LF (Morse Blanco Ishi???), 3b (what is the first offer to Sandoval), SPs (Petit in or out, Peavey), pen (Romo as FA), where Lincecum fits in plans—those are just the larger ones, no pun intended. Posey moving around I don’t see, yet.

    I saw a new stat on IF defense about Panik on cbs site during game—he had highest pct. of DPs completed where he was either pivot or started it of all 2b in league, something like 80% of chances converted.

    I have a feeling the guy from Cards blog saw this coming.

    And before you guys storm James’ house, remember he said months ago that SF was likely one SP short, and very recently that the P is most important guy on the field.

    Been fun and most enjoyable reading everyone here through all the ups and downs.

  6. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:51 am

    2010…2012…2014 World Series Champions!!!! They own the 2000’s, they are a Dynasty!!!
    Quote from Bum’s dad Kevin: “He would steal a steak from the Devil’s Plate”
    Awesome!!!

  7. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:03 am

    I got a pretty good hangover going and wife vacuuming killing my head. I agree that I don’t get or care about the dynasty argument. We are celebrating what the F-HEAD Dodgers never achieved…so who cares?

    Call us what I did after 2012, the team of the decade. Good enough for me….oddly as my son and I were watching that game wind down, I thought to myself for the first time that I was sad to see this coming to an end. I wanted another game tonight. After 2010 and 2012 (maybe because they were so easy to win) I was just happy for the championship and could wait for spring training. This was the lesser of our 3 championship teams but I don’t want it to end…

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:01 am

      I disagree on it being the lesser of the three. They all are distinctly different, and all are very special in their own ways. I have said this multiple times on previous threads…to me, the group epitomizes TEAM more than the others. I love each and every one of them for different reasons, but for some reason…I wanted (needed) this one more than the previous two…and no, I cannot explain why.

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:02 am

        I agree Chi. This is the most remarkable of the three because they seemed to do it with less and in the most amazing of ways. Winning game 7 on the road after getting smoked in game 6? Wow. The Royals were a talented and game opponent, but in the end the collective will of the 2014 San Francisco Giants was too much for them to overcome.

        Waking up the morning after the Giants win the World Series is a great feeling.

  8. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:04 am

    I don’t know about the dynasty talk but one could make a reasonable argument for it. Posey, Sandoval, Bumgarner, Lincecum, Lopez, Romo, Casilla, Affeldt were there for all three. Pence, Belt, Crawford, Blanco and Vogelsong were there for two of three. Honorable mention for Ishikawa whose HR in the NLCS is even bigger now in my opinion. I’m probably leaving someone out but in the modern game that is a pretty solid core staying together and winning.

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:58 am

      Well, it is all subjective and personal, and I really don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone else thinks. Three In Five – in my book it is a fucking Dynasty.

      Bask on boys…

  9. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:09 am

    With Panik’s play at second, Blanco booting the ball and Perez recovering to hold Gordon at third and of course Bumgarner taking over for the lack of starting pitching the Giants overcame all of their supposed deficiencies last night (SP, 2b, LF, CF). What an amazing game. I still can’t believe it.

    Championship Blood.

  10. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:12 am

    Among the many things I still can’t grasp is that Gordon wasn’t rounding third when Perez mishandled the ball by the wall…

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:21 am

      Looked like the coach had his hands up. I wondered too when Perez fumbled it if Gordon had a shot.

    • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:22 am

      Loo, did you see Gordon slightly stumble going around 2nd? Once he did, he started to slow up. I can’t believe all the chatter, especially from Nats fans here, that he should have been sent. He would have been out by 10 feet…

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:35 am

        Many articles I’ve read have said it was more like 15-20 feet. Also, look at the play Crawdad made – he short hopped the relay. Quite frankly, that play is as critical and as good (considering what was at stake) as the Panik play in my opinion.

      • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:56 am

        Agree Steve on that play being as pivotal as the Panik-MudBug DP.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:08 am

      When Perez booted the ball at the wall I thought Gordon was going all the way. That would’ve been crushing, akin to 2002 Game 6. All I can think of is that with 2 outs the 3rd base coach didn’t want to risk making the 3rd out at home with a good hitter up next. Man that was a harrowing moment.

  11. wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:18 am

    I posted this last night but it may have gotten lost in the scrum. FOX really stepped up their game with the many great camera angles. No way in hell does that miraculous Panik to Crawford double play get overturned if not for that incredible slow mo shot of the ball hitting Belts glove just before the runners foot hits the bag. That was the turning point of the game, IMO.

    • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:23 am

      It was almost like the air came out of the Royals with that correct call. Then was fully expired when Bum came walking out of the bullpen…

    • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:24 am

      Agree with you, Joe. I found some of the stuff, like the distance run for a ball in the outfield, to be sort of lame but those slow mo shots are pretty good. They also came up with some good trivia there putting Bumgarner in the company of the all time greats. If they could figure out someone better than Erin Andrews and Ken Rosenthal they’d have a pretty good deal going.

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:55 am

      Absolutely agree. The camera work was off the charts. Kudos to Fox. But I believe on that particular challenge, didn’t the runner slide head first, and the shot was of the ball hitting Belt’s glove right before the fingers of the runner? Regardless…truly a pivotal spot in the game. Wow!

  12. willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:24 am

    On cbs site saw an interesting stat on Panik–he was tops in league for pct. of chances for DP converted where he was either pivot or started it, something like 80%. Hopefully he and Craw rival Thompson and Uribe.
    Toss in Belt and Sandoval (hope he stays but that’s separate issue) and IF D is very good.

  13. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:28 am

    “It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World”
    21ip 9 hits 1 run 1 walk 17 K’s
    MAD-NIFICENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:34 am

    Posted something on this earlier but went into spam or somewhere. Dynasty, no–each team has its own heroes, going back to Uribe Rent Torres Ross who have come and gone. solid core, sure, but how long it stays in place, I dunno.

    Sabes will have plenty of work to do once basking is over, about issues we’ve all discussed here for months:

    LF–Morse Ishi Perez Blanco or bring in replacements
    3b–what do you offer Sandoval, and what if he’s gone?
    SPs–Peavey Petit in or out of rotation? Go after a pricey FA/trade for one?
    Pen–Romo as FA what to do with Lincecum
    Posey–I don’t see him moving yet, but how do you plan around it?

    In the meantime, enjoyed reading posts here, all season. Bask on!

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:50 am

      To each their own WillieD. And you are consistently one of the best here with your posts…but to me…this is a fucking Dynasty.

      Bask on, brother…

    • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:58 am

      LF– With Pagan coming back I say try to keep the Morse, Ishi, Perez, Blanco group
      3b–what do you offer Sandoval? 5@$100M
      SPs– I’m in the no Peavy camp.
      Pen– Romo had some little publicized issues with SFPD recently. I think he’s gone. Lincecum gets a shot at the 5 spot
      Posey– Susac gives him a true day off every 5th or Belt is part of a deal for SP?

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:03 am

        Hadn’t heard about the Romo thing. Yeah, there’s been apparently some stuff going on in his personal life the last coupla years that’s not optimal. Sounds like he let some fame get to him. And, that dustup with Dunston that got hushed up, whatever it was about. That doesn’t go over well with the Giants. I think Romo is gone…

  15. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:35 am

    From an article on the interwebs:

    How great was he? In their four wins, the Giants needed 108 outs. Bumgarner recorded 63 of them. He gave up only a single run the whole series.

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:09 am

      Thx. Just couple days ago you said something about P being most important guy on the field as I recall.
      Doubt Royals or anyone else who faced Bum would argue that.

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:11 am

      He should have and could have scored.
      God intervened.

  17. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:43 am

    from Daniel at the Cards blog–
    Daniel Shoptaw
    8:33 PM (12 hours ago)

    to me
    Craig,
    Congrats on yet another World Series title! (I mean, I’m sorry this means you won’t make the playoffs next year, what with that pattern and all, but still…. 😉 ) It was a heck of a run and Bumgarner has proven his worth time and time again. Pass my congratulations on to the rest of the community and enjoy it!

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:48 am

      That is so cool. Thanks for sharing that Flav, and thanks too to Daniel. He is an absolute class act. I really cherished the whole thing you and he had going on during the Giant-Card series.

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:03 am

      Had a feeling this guy could have told KC fans what was coming.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:41 am

      Daniel, you’re a good sport. The world needs more like you. Good luck to the Cards next season.

  18. Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:46 am

    As I mentioned on the previous thread, I am sorry I was not on with you all during the game. My computer had the blue screen of death and Gail dropped it at the shop yesterday. I am so wound up last night…I couldn’t even take texts, etc. and finally answered a call from my daughter.

    But as I said, I was thinking about FU and was with you all in heart, mind, and soul.

    I am still an absolute mess this morning…everything seems sureal.

    We have a room booked on Market for tonight, and will be pretty much right where we were for the 2012 parade.

    What an unreal season…unreal post season, and unreal World Series.

    As the Heart and Soul of our team the Revererd Pence said: “We have the motherfucking Champion Blood!”

  19. Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:52 am

    I see Flappers talking about the potential moves for next year, etc. And of course, the most important one is Pablo. I was in the camp earlier this year that said “let him walk.” Well, I have recanted on that. Pay the Man. The Giants will. Sandoval will be back next year. Book it.

  20. Irish Kevin's avatar Irish Kevin said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:08 am

    Well that was an adrenaline rush!! Panik made it exciting and Blanco made it scary. It was definitely a 4 drink night. 4 shots of Jameson helped a lttle after Blanco’s gaff! whew!! too emotional to make decisions on most of the players. But yeah Pablo gets signed first and formost.

  21. Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:09 am

    The other thing I mentioned on the previous thread was that as I was coming home yesterday, I stopped at the mail box, and the Giant flag that I ordered weeks ago finally was delivered. An omen? Bet your sweet ass it was. And that motherfucker will be flying LOUD AND PROUD on Market Street tomorrow!

    Country STRONG!

  22. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:13 am

    Yeah. I think they keep Panda now. And James, you beat me to it. I was gonna post that Deadspin article.

    Seeing where the ball was, and where Gordon was, it was a fairly iffy proposition to send Gordon. The throw would have likely beat him to the plate by a couple seconds, but anything could have happened.

    As far as Romo goes, my daughter was somewhere near the altercation regarding Romo and the possibility he was hitting his girlfriend a few days ago while out partying in the City. The cops were called, and they apparently settled it w/o any arrests. A ‘misunderstanding.’

  23. sfsarge's avatar sfsarge said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:15 am

    What a night! What a season! Champion blood! Have fun at the parade to any who will be in attendance. I dare not brave that madness again…. I also was in the adios Pablo camp. But there’s no way they don’t bring him back. I think it’s time for Peavy to go. It seems really apparent that Susac is going to need a lot more time behind the plate. Buster looked beat up. He’s probably injured and I wouldn’t be surprised if all those blows to the head are starting to take their toll. Anyway, we have months to dissect the hot stove stuff. Time for basking!!

  24. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:22 am

    I’m basking my ass off on this one. Normally, I have the blood pressure and pulse of an 18 year old. However, this morning (your evening), almost put me in ICU with a stroke or heart attack. I’m too exhausted to think about next season’s moves and machinations. However, you guys knock yourself out discussing it . . . I’ll stay in bask mode for a few days longer until I recover.

    🙂

  25. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:24 am

    most of you guys remember my dad setting the sun on the season a few months ago. Here’s the email I got today:
    Dad
    To Me Today at 9:08 AM
    THE TIDE IS IN!!!!!!
    THE GODDAMN SUN HAS RISEN!!!

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:44 pm

      Hah! Awesome. Bobby Bowden strikes again!

  26. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:24 am

    Peavy’s a goner. Wish they could buy out Hudson who looks shot. Cain should be good to go next year.
    Need Timmy to pull a 2012 Zito miracle. Might as well see what Petit can do in the rotation. Sign Vogey for peanuts as a long reliever and emergency starter.

  27. James's avatar James said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:47 am

    Surprised Mickey Lolich has gotten no attention, AFAICT.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1968_WS.shtml

    Bring back the 4 man rotation!

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:43 am

      there was a guy on cbs site that brought his name up in regards to Bum as best ever.
      Outdueled Gibson in STL for game 7 W (his third), pretty impressive.

  28. wswins's avatar wswins said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:19 am

    You play for the name on the front of the shirt, not the back. The San Francisco Giants have won 3 of the last 5 WS…Call it what you will.

    Can we at least wait on our rosterbation tendencies ’till after this one has their parade?

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:39 am

      Good idea.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      Absolutely, on both counts.

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:27 am

      Great stuff, Mac!

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:38 am

      Thanks, Mac, it’s bask-mania! Very cool!

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      Bad ass…thanks for the share, Mac.

  30. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Good column on where the Giants “dynasty” ranks in MLB history . . .

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/100058596/baseball-dynasties-ranking-giants-yankees?partnerId=ed-8774202-658620023

  31. Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:41 am

    I will say this one final thing on Pablo. Here is what I see as the absolute best way to handle his situation.

    You draw up a contract that is identical to Pence’s (with the exception of the no trade clause). Then you have Pence take the contract to Pablo and have him say “Pablo. Here is a contract exactly like mine. 5 years. 90 mil. Take this and let’s go do it again, and again, and…

    Seriously, how could Pablo turn that down (rhetorical question)…

    Now I promise I am in full BASK MODE. Cannot wait to get into The City tonight.

    Stronger Together.
    Giant Together.
    Flapping Together.

    • stickman's avatar stickman said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:55 am

      Neat concept Chi: Videogenic moments there. Hope the Brass are reading your post. It could just work.

  32. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:44 am

    check out the pic I just inserted into the main thread.

  33. Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:48 am

    That’s a great pic. Bum and Posey look like kids.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:54 am

      i think the top pic was from a regional tournament when they were in high school. Might have been a little later, though

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:59 am

        San Jose Giants.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:05 am

        right. Just noticed that.

  34. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:04 am

    I tried posting a bunch of links to newspaper front pages, but the “comment is awaiting moderation.” Anyway, this was one of my favorites:

    http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=list&tfp_id=CA_MB

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:05 am

      sorry, links are tough to get posted sometimes

      • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:07 am

        Yeah, I probably posted too many of ’em. Got a little carried away 🙂

    • wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:48 pm

      Quite possibly one of the greatest baseball shots ever.

  35. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:06 am

    Not sure why our society seems to have a need to put labels on things to validate them or take them down. Giants won it all 3 out of 5 years. Dynasty? Sure, why not? Define it however you want. Call it any other name, or no other name — it smells as sweet…

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:12 am

      There’s a strong media need for “narrative.” The need for story arc that explains everything. It happens in politics, too. The problem with it is that narrative tends to over-simplify things.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:13 am

        But having said that; I’m calling it a DYNASTY!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  36. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:07 am

    So many ways to dissect things, that’s one of the things that makes the sport so great….I just read a thing that talked about the Aoki flair down the leftfield line that Perez caught. Incredible defensive placement. And the Giants seemed to excel on infield shifts more-so than most teams, or that’s the way it seemed anyway. So kudos to the Giants scouting and coaching.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:15 am

      Good call. I heard this morning that apparently it was Roberto Kelly that waived Perez further over towards the LF line before that slap liner, so Perez was in perfect position to grab it. Plus, Ishi probably doesn’t get to it…

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:23 pm

      Yeah, for a team that was supposed to be defensively inferior to the Royals, the Giants sure did make a lot of plays. The Panik play has to be one of the best in WS history, and Perez’ catch, combined with the excellent defensive placement, was huge as well. With Belt, Panik, Panda and Crawfish, the Giants have one hell of a defensive infield, as good as any, I say. Just rock solid the entire postseason, when it counts the most.

    • wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:52 pm

      Seems like there were a ton of plays last night and in this series where the defensive alignment was spot on. There was another hard line drive early in the game in which Perez barely had to move his feet. They had the shift on (can’t remember who the hitter was) and the ball was hit directly at Panda who was in perfect position. Amazing what these guys can learn from scouting reports these days.

  37. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:19 am

    The SF Chronicle is already selling t-shirts of today’s front-page. No marketing opportunity missed. 🙂
    http://sfchronicle.myshopify.com/products/sf-chronicle-giants-world-series-front-page-t-shirt

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:24 am

      In that photo you can see the emotion of both players, and especially Posey. As if Posey is saying “Thanks, man. You totally picked me up in this Series.” Hey, that’s what it’s all about . Some of us call it chemistry, others might call it something else. The Giants have a way of picking each other up. It means a lot, and it carries over from season to season. I really believe that part of it started back with Cain, and how he never threw his teammates under the bus when he was getting “cained” so much back in the ’06-’09 period. He set the tone. The teammates have each other’s backs. Of course, their baseball talent is a huge part, too. But the Dodgers have talent, and don’t win squat. Chemistry matters. 🙂

      • stickman's avatar stickman said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:57 am

        Good point on Cain, Zooms.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:24 pm

      Haha. MLB didn’t waste any time either. I was ordering my WS paraphernalia five minutes after the Series ended. That’s how long it took them to get it up.

  38. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:28 am

    Panda may get more money elsewhere, and who among us would turn down an extra $30 million or whatever it might be from the RSox over what the Giants will offer? But, I think for his career it might be a mistake to move now. Unlikely he will be so loved by his new fanbase, and he might not like getting skewered for his foibles during the season. Because the fanbase loves it some Panda, this is a major franchise decision for Baer and the unknown billionaires in the teak-paneled Committee Room. Paying Timmeh so much for doing not a lot won’t be lost on Panda and his agents…

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:31 am

      I’ve been so impressed with his arm. Seems like he never makes a bad throw to first.

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:25 pm

        Very underrated part of his game. Powerful and accurate.

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      He has said a number of times that he wants to stay in SF, so I can certainly see him taking less to stay here. I think it is no-brainer. The dude WILl get signed by the Giants. Said it earlier and I will say it again. BOOK IT.

  39. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Is Harbaugh going to be driving in the parade?…

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:38 am

      Would love to see a car or float in the parade just for members of the Bowker Gang.
      It’s a time to celebrate all SF Giants from good times and bad.
      And please find Jim Ray Hart already!

  40. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:36 am

    I’m going link-crazy today, but I could read stuff like this all day. The first is from the NY Times and the reporter’s visit to MadBum’s father in NC, with the epic quote that AlleyKat had earlier. The second is an outstanding story from a North Jersey paper.

    http://tinyurl.com/nnc3egv

    http://tinyurl.com/ln7v5el

  41. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:36 am

    Fortunately for him and everybody else in Giants land, it didn’t happen.
    But if that Blanco miscue had led to losing the World Series, wow. Just wow.
    Now, it just adds to the Bumgarner lore for the ages, he just shrugged it off and got the next batter to end it…

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:39 am

      It would’ve made Merkle’s boner look like a minor erection…

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:46 am

        Loo, you brought your A-game all season.

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:48 am

        And after the season. 🙂

      • Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on October 30, 2014 at 11:59 am

        Outstanding.

      • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:27 pm

        ROFL

      • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:28 pm

        You are the best Loo. I hope like hell that some day we can tip a few brews together…

      • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 5:39 pm

        Thanks for putting up with my nonsense. And I want to apologize again to Paulinasia and Blade for one of my dopier remarks the other day. Maybe one day some more of the east coast gang and the west coast gang will meet up. For now, I hope to at least see Mac & Pawlie at Finnerty’s on Trophy Day. Like everyone else here I really appreciate the tremendous amount of work that Flavor puts into running this place. It sure has been lucky for our San Francisco Giants. This is the longest thing I ever wrote.

  42. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Coincidentally, I’m heading into San Francisco today; my wife and I are going to the Patty Griffin concert at the Fillmore. I won’t be at the parade tomorrow, but I’ll soak in some of the pre-parade vibe today.

  43. stickman's avatar stickman said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    Are baseball fans superstitious much? Early in the series i opened up the B-section of the 9-5 NY Times and on the front sports page there’s a big write-up on the great season the KC Royals were having. Some years back i may have read it and promptly put the sheets into the firestarter burn box. No way, Jose. Superstitious, dontcha know. Left it right there on the dining table, occasionally covering parts of it with other chunks of newspaper, but never entirely. It’s still there this afternoon and maybe this evening i will finally read it.

    Another superstition throughout the season is that when on the computer following Yahoo slightly delayed game coverage, i switch over to “Mail” whenever the other team is at bat. My one big shot during the day to catch up on the long litany of e.m.’s. Guess that one worked. Did not even tune in for the bottom of the 9th last night even with Bumgarner on the mound.

    Yesterday afternoon, heading home from the laundromat with a load of freshened jeans, heavy shirts and sweats (winter comes early up these parts) the tapedeck on Pa’s old 91 F-150 happened to have my “Queen ” tape running. Sure enough. Get about 3 miles from home and “We are the Champions, Champions of the WORLD.” Took that as a sign.

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:31 pm

      I’m not superstitious in any other area of my life, but when it comes to baseball I can’t help myself. What I’m wearing, even if I’m watching the game sometimes (you know, the ‘things always start to go wrong when I start watching’ schtick). I don’t know why, but it’s real.

      • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:30 pm

        LJ – I am the same way…baseball only. If the Giants lose, then I will wear a different lid, change my earring, etc. And if they win…giddy up and keep it going. And I only do this shit with Giants baseball. It is strange even to me.

  44. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    I wonder if Wotus is going to get any run as a manager candidate this offseason.
    I don’t understand why a team would not want to hire as manager a bench coach that has worked with Bochy as right hand man and just won 3 WS titles in 5 years…

    • wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      Not to mention guys like Tidrow, Evans and Barr. Evans seems like the most likely of the three to be a goner but I have been thinking that for years. It just goes to show that ownership takes damn good care of their front office.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:21 pm

        I think Evans will hang around for the eventual Sabes ride into the sunset. Evans will take over. Giants are into smooth transitions. It seems to work…

    • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm

      Wotus is 0-5 in interviews so far. Or something like that. Hard to believe. I guess Decker would take his spot if he moved on but I hope he doesn’t as I thinkthe cohesion of the coaching staff is a big part of the club’s success.

    • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      Great comment Snarkk…If you are the Rays, who would you rather have?

  45. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on October 30, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    Well, as much shit as I’ve given Bud Selig over the years, I have to give him props for the new playoff play-in format. Which I hated. Til now!!!

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      LMAO Charlie. I agree…was sitting there talking with my daughter last night and we were all saying the same thing…fucking hated it…until this year!

  46. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    I a leader)have been in the Panda camp all year and was trying to argue they should have offered the 5 year deal in the $75 mill range when he was scuffling. I am convinced now that after his incredible post-season he won’t be coming back. I am predicting the Red Sox just watched what he did (my favorite moment yesterday was in the pre – game seeing Panda go up to each teammate and giving words of support or encouragement or whatever he was trying to tell them – that is a leader) as a player and leader and they will go 7-8 year deal and upwards of $110 mill.

    I love my Panda, but with the bad contracts still on payroll, Panda is not the type of player you can rationally argue will get over $110 mill as a Giant.

    I would not be surprised to see an effort by the the Giants to land Cespedes if Panda ends up in Boston. Peavy is the guy that I would bring back because I think he is an innings Eater and I like his vet intensity. Voggy after his poor NL and WS I think is done as a Giant. I would like to see if they can talk Phil Hughes into a sensible 3 year deal to be the #3 pitcher and then we have a solid Bum – Cain – Hughes anchor to the rotation for the next 3 years. Cespedes only makes $10 mill next year and then they can decide if he is worth extending. Good bye to Mr. Morse in that scenario…

    • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:11 pm

      The other thing I missed last night was Posey just burying his head into Bum’s chest. ..He was completely spent. He is going to need much more time at first and I still think he starts taking grounders at third this off-season….

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm

        Posey’s offensive power outage the last part of the season and in the playoffs prove the Giants have to have a Plan B for him. He’s good at catching, but it’s provably bad for his hitting. The guy’s swing looked like it was late, so he made up for it by swinging early sometimes, and rolling over to the left side. We didn’t see much power to RF, which is when he’s on. They’ve got to figure this out. He’s getting too much paycheck to disappear offensively late every season…

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:19 pm

      Once several teams offer you around $100M, does it really matter to the decision whether there’s an extra $5M or $10M? Is every player a mercenary like Greinke, so you just go to whichever team offers a dollar more than the other? If the Giants offer $100M and the RSox offer $130M, I guess for Pablo that RSox offer will be hard to turn down. It would be for me. At some point though, where are you going to play your best, what conditions are the best for your sanity, and growth as a person and a player? If he leaves, I’ll be sad to see it. But, the Giants will move on, they’ll be OK, and so will we as fans…

      • gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:38 pm

        Not sure the Giants would go $100 mill

    • Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      GH..
      Heard rumors that Peavy wants to hook up with his buddy Jon Lester and play for the Chicago Cubs, once the Cubs finalize a deal for manager Joe Maddon.
      So which I say ” Good Riddance” and forget ever winning a championship in Chicago.LOL 100+ years and never to the show will continue!

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      I think you are dead wrong G-Head. I have no idea what the money or length of contract will be, but Pablo will be a Giant next year. I will say it now for the third time on this thread. BOOK IT.

  47. gianthead's avatar gianthead said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    The other person I feel good for is Peavy’s kid…man he would have had a lifetime of grief if they failed to win…

  48. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Cute story that Bum and Mrs. Bum have been living with the Hudsons because Bum’s lease ran out at the end of the season. But. First, why would Bum not have his lease go through the playoffs “just in case”? Second, he can’t extend the lease for a month or two? Kinda weird…

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:19 pm

      You’d be lucky to try and work out a 3 month extension. Most places would force you to take 6.

      • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:31 pm

        He probably had his agent handle it. He tried for a 9 month lease but got talked into 6 months at twice the market rate.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 3:07 pm

        Nice one, dirt…

      • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:24 pm

        Tremendous!

  49. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Predictable ESPN. Giants just win WS. But, nary a peep about them in the offseason “issues”.
    As expected, there must be a Jeter reference; just a blurb about Panda in #9
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11779913/mlb-top-10-offseason-storylines

  50. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    No credit for the BBOTD? She hasn’t budged in 3 months…

    • Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:37 pm

      Well, if you look, the last 4 or 5 commens were mine. I checked back regularly to make sure she was still there. Now that girl is right in my fucking wheel house (literally and figuratively).

  51. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Flavor,

    I just listened (watched?) that clip in the lead of the previous thread.

    Classic.

    I know exactly how that is man. I couldn’t even watch the first few innings last night. I carved pumpkins with my daughter while the TV was on mute. I would check every 2 mins but just couldn’t sit in front of it.

  52. wilcojoe's avatar wilcojoe said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    I don’t have the ability to post it now, but that video of the Chevy sales VP presenting MadBum the truck is absolutely hilarious. I felt so bad for the guy and I hope this doesn’t affect his job. Watch the video and look at Selig’s reaction. Let’s just say he doesn’t hide his embarrassment well…Love the guys line about “it has technology and stuff.”

  53. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on October 30, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    It was pretty awesome watching Selig (former car dealer) sit through that. That dude was terrible.

  54. Irish Kevin's avatar Irish Kevin said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    The Line on the Giants before the season started

    The Giants, a 20-1 longshot when 2014 odds were first posted a year ago

  55. Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    What a wondrous season it has been FU.

    I want to thank Flav again for keeping this site around. I have met some awesome friends via this blog, and there are a number of you that I still hope to meet. Anyway…life, and baseball season is so much better with The Flap. It is truly hard to imagine life without it…and I don’t even want to. Thank you again, Craig! You are THE MAN!

  56. Chipower9's avatar Chipower9 said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    Catch you MoFos on the flip-side. I am heading out to find a flag pole for my new Giant flag, and then my daughter and I are heading to The City around 7. Got a room the W…basically 3rd and Market. Will be out on the street with all the other winos around 6 tomorrow morning to celebrate THREE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIPS IN FIVE YEARS!

    We Have the Motherfucking Champion Blood!

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:47 pm

      Nice Chi. Bring your umbrella. Rep the FU to everyone up there! Lqtm

    • Lurker John's avatar Lurker John said, on October 30, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      Have fun, Chi!

  57. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    Sitting in a school parking lot waiting for my daughter’s volleyball practice to end. Listening to radio, I just laughed out loud at something Ray Ratto said. I can’t stand Ratto. Jesus, I am drunk on happiness right now

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      Ratto writes his crap on CSNBA. I look at it sometimes just to see if there are any comments. Usually not. Once in a while, when there’s no comments, I’ll make a post like: “Anybody here?”…

  58. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    Chi, looks like I’m going to the parade.
    Not sure where or when, I’ll send you an email…

  59. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago Miami Beach, FL
    had 2 wild-card format been there in ’09, SF may have begun dynasty in ’09. SF was 88-74 (same as ’14), woulda been 2nd WC.

  60. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    this is the best month the Flap has had (in terms of hits, and we still have 1 day to go in Oct) since May 2012 when we had 41,628….

  61. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    Bum is cashing in already on his fame via the underwear biz…
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2014/10/30/cheeky-jockey-unveils-madbum-underwear-saluting-world-series-mvp-madison-bumgarner/

  62. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    Loo got it started a few months ago and some of us poo poo’d it (not me). Anyone currently AGAINST tearing up MadBum’s absurd contract and giving him something more commensurate with what he’s worth right now? He made 3.7 mil this year and he’s making a whopping 6.7 mil next year.
    #freemadbumsbankaccount

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      I just read the details of Bum’s contract. Shit, this is ridiculous. I might have to do a thread on it tomorrow to make it right…

      • SanDawg's avatar SanDawg said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:02 pm

        Its gonna turn into a national media shitstorm if they don’t make this right ASAFP. Tack on two more years at 20 mil per. I’ve been with Loo on this from jump street—-and its been more than a few months.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:07 pm

        Why would the Giants have an incentive to add onto his deal? Bum could slip off a parade bus tomorrow and break his left elbow falling onto Chi. He exchanged the possibility of being either injured and done or filthy rich as a free agent — for the guaranteed certainty, regardless of what he does, of being very rich. If he’s PO’d, he should be PO’d at his agent. I heard Huff tell the FM sports station that Bum asked Huff if he should sign the deal, and Huff told him no way, he was getting underpaid if his performance rocked like he thought it might. Bum signed it anyway. At least that’s what Huff said, for what that’s worth…

  63. pawliekokonuts's avatar pawliekokonuts said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:12 pm

    Q. Was there a reasonable chance of Gordon scoring if he was sent by the Royals’ third-base coach?

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:22 pm

      Absolutely. DId you see how far out in LF Crawford was?
      He had a better chance of scoring than Matty Alou in ’62….

    • paulinasia's avatar paulinasia said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:37 pm

      There was obviously *a chance*, but not sure how reasonable. I’m sure someone with scientific modeling software could run the numbers and create a graphic that would show different scenarios, but at that moment in time, the coach had to make a decision. I think he made the right one, likely based on a) Crawford’s arm strength and accuracy, which the coach had already witnessed, and b) Gordon looked completely gassed. Off the top of my head, I’d say that 95% of the time, Giants make that relay and tag perfectly fine, and Gordon would’ve been out by plenty. They could’ve chanced the other 5%, and wow, wouldn’t that have been amazing for them if it worked out. Personally, this coach is, afterall, human, and it possibly crossed his mind in an instant that if he sent Gordon and he was indeed out by a mile, he’d have to live with the wrath of Royals nation for the entire off-season. We’ll never know what would’ve happened.

      Honestly, it’s a good thing the World Series has the maximum 7 games. Those two teams probably could’ve played another 20 games and neither team would’ve had a 2-game margin of victory. It was just time for the Giants to end it and claim their place in history.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:56 pm

      he had zero chance. It was proven with the link James posted earlier. Absolutely no chance. L-Cain couldn’t have scored.

  64. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    New post on my blog . . .https://aroundtheworldwithblade.wordpress.com/2014/10/29/need-to-chill-out-then-head-to-luang-prabang-laos/#more-5876

    Go Giants! Wait! The season is over? OMG. What will we do with ourselves???? 🙂

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      I think I have an idea what you’re doing.
      And, it ain’t reading old box scores…
      😉

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:53 pm

        Umm, you would be correct 99% of the time . . . Except right now, it is morning in Ho Chi Minh city and I am about to do the 3 S’s. No further explanation necessary.

  65. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 30, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    You know it’s really their 3rd championship in 4 years calendar-wise…

  66. paulinasia's avatar paulinasia said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    Love that pic of *young* MadBum and Posey. In just 5 years, Boyz-2-Men, huh. In MadBum’s case, Superman….

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 30, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      I can’t stop looking at it.

  67. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 30, 2014 at 9:07 pm

    In a way, this was the most satisfying WS win of the three.
    IMO the Royals were the best team of the 3 AL opponents faced. The most balanced, the most speed, the best Pen, the best D, but not the best starting pitching. Yet, in a gut check 7 gamer, the Giants worst of their three teams still beat ’em…

    • sfsarge's avatar sfsarge said, on October 30, 2014 at 10:00 pm

      After watching what they did to the A’s, I thought for sure they were going to win the whole thing. This was the team I wanted the least. They played loose and they had that us against the world we’re going to play for each other thing that we had in 2010. Each one has had its own challenges and been its own beast. The first one was so sweet because it had been so long. The second one because elimination was avoided so many times and having Zito redeem himself for all those years of mediocrity and worse was just a part of a tremendous ride. This one is sweet because if you look at this team, there is no way we should have won. Despite all the injuries, Buster disappearing offensively, and having only one good starting pitcher here we are again. Hoisting trophies and basking in the warm glow of success.


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