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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 3, 2016

Horse. Shark. Peavy.

Who do you think is the most critical to the success/failure of the team this year? Assuming the other 2 meet expectations.

Before you quick-draw to Shark just remember that while he’s expected to be the #3 he doesn’t HAVE to be the #3. And really, in the regular season, 3 and 4 are pretty interchangeable. So if all 3 are healthy and meeting expectations I don’t think you could snap-call Shark as more critical to the other 2 in the march towards the 2016 post season.Any of those guys COULD be the #3/#4.

However, if Shark pulls a Timmy and sucks but keeps getting run out there every fifth day, I think that would be the most damaging to the team. You have to assume that if Horse and/or Peavy are faltering it would be due to health and they would probably get shelved in favor of Hest-by-Hest or some Blackburny-equiv.

So by that measure, Shark could do the most damage to the season if he sucks simply because he’ll be given more rope than the other 2.

Thoughts?

 

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  1. unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:21 am

    3 and 4 may be interchangeable in the greater baseball world but not here. They are expecting a lot more innings out of Smmmmark than Peavey so the expectations are much greater So yeah, Smmmark stumbling would be the harder hit to take by the team. Innings-eater or no, Smmmark needs to keep the team in games, not just eat innings.

    Cain is the big question mark. But if Peavey can go six without imploding then Cain won’t matter as much. All these nagging injuries in week one is a little worrisome. Aches and pains, it’s early yadda yadda yadda it’s still unnerving.

  2. willedav said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:31 am

    Giants signed Samrdz for many different reasons, but one imo has to do with playoff ball. They aren’t going to win series like they did in 2014 facing off vs. Cubs Nats Mets staffs.
    Saw an interesting comment from someone, about the term “innings eater”, re: It’s more about effective innings, and I think Giants counting on more of those from Samrdz than the other 2.

  3. willedav said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:50 am

    Just took closer look at email I got yesterday from Sports Authority—they are closing 140 stores and restructuring yada yada over next 3 months as they go into Chapter 11. I don’t buy much from them but there are 3 of them within 20 minutes and in past I’d often get gift cards from parents for coaching. There is a prop for their online shop, which I’ve never checked out.
    There did open up a place called Sports Basement within walking distance; big store that took over a site Barnes and Noble vacated.

    Where do you guys go for gear or just everyday stuff like athletic shoes shirts pants, either for yourself or kids?

    • Flavor said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:56 am

      I go to Sports Authority in East Palo Alto. Hope they don’t close that one, a lot of jobs dependent on that location.

    • wilcojoe said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:03 am

      I drove to my local Sports Authority this weekend only to find out that it closed down. In Texas we have a pretty awesome chain sporting good store called Academy. I think there may be others in the south but I am not sure. It is hands down the best sporting goods store I have ever been….I would go to Sports Authority as Academy is always packed and they would always match their prices. I don’t think I ever saw more than five people in their store at any given time. It sucks that they closed, but I am not at all surprised.

    • xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:08 am

      West Coast Sporting Goods in San Leandro is the best in the East Bay for baseball gear. The owner will tape a bat handle for you at the register before ringing it up. One clerk took my son out into the street to play catch to make sure he really wanted to buy a particular glove. Doesn’t matter who you are — local high school coach or confused mother — you get good service and advice. The simple warehouse-like atmosphere’s a welcome change, too.

    • wilcojoe said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:17 am

      When I lived in The Bay Area, we always shopped at Big 5. Are they still around?

      • gianthead said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:05 am

        I lived on getting my K Swiss canvas shoes in college at the Big 5….

      • Flavor said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:10 am

        yes but it’s always empty (Menlo Park location) so I’m not sure how it stays open

      • chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:45 am

        There are some Big Jives in the Sacramento area (one here in Folsom, where I work and also one in my hometown of Placerville), but I do not go there much at all. I will be surprised if they are around in five years, maybe less.

      • xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:58 am

        Is Big 5 the one that sells firearms and other weapons? I drove to some place like that way out in Richmond or San Pablo when I needed a high-powered sling-shot and some big steel shot. (Racoon problem. They learn quickly.) Strange sporting goods store.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:08 am

      Personally, i detest the entire mystique of “authority”. Bowing to the concept means that you give up some of your own autonomy, your own identity, in fact. Bad name. Bad game. Good to see them flailing.

    • unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:54 am

      Sports Basement is pretty good for just about anything. There’s one in WC that is ginormous. Plus they sell discounted lift tickets. When dragging the kids to the mountains it comes in handy.

      • snarkk said, on March 3, 2016 at 11:53 am

        Discounts for lift tix at which ski resorts?

      • unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 1:29 pm

        Most of the Tahoe areas. Call as far ahead as you can as they go fast. I about croaked when I saw Squaw Valley lift tickets now go for $139.00.

    • Macdog said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:02 am

      Modell’s is a northeast chain that’s the closest to us, we go mainly for softball stuff. We usually get soccer stuff from a specialty outfit online.

    • chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:43 am

      I buy almost all of my sporting gear online, including shoes. Amazon is my first choice, since they have such a great product (Prime = 2 day delivery for free, and their return policy cannot be beat). I think these big box stores are going the way of the dinosaur…that dog is not going to hunt in today’s marketplace.

      For Giants-specific gear, I also shop online, but mostly through mlb.com and Fanatics.

  4. zumiee said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:55 am

    The rotation is in transition. There’s a good chance both Cain and Peavy won’t finish the season on the 25-man roster. Somebody from AAA will need to step up. Should be interesting.

  5. Flavor said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:57 am

    obviously I’m stretching on today’s topic. Just biding my time till this Warrior game tonight. Steph plays right? He should have a lot of trouble guarding Freight Train Westbrook on 1 leg.
    For the record, I think Shark is going to have a huge year for us. I am 100% behind this signing and have said so since the day he signed.

    • willedav said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:11 am

      It’d be kind of funny if he worked out great here considering what happened across Bay and what Beane gave up to rent him. Also if he got some revenge vs. Cubs up to and including backing a couple of them off the plate by any means necessary.

  6. Flavor said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:55 am

    Brett Anderson, out with back surgery. Not a shocker that this guy is hurt again. Dodgers leaking in lots of areas in 2016.

    • zumiee said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:29 am

      And their signing of the oft-injured McCarthy last year was kind of mystifying.

  7. gianthead said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:59 am

    I liked what I saw on the field yesterday…big horses in the pen…but Cain I think is the only one I am worried about in the rotation…

    • Carstie Clausen said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:10 am

      Giants are DEEP. Pretty much across the board. Chronic worriers may become depressed over the fact.

  8. unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:56 am

    Yeah as much as these aches and pains are a worry for the Giants, the Dodgers look to be a full blown MASH unit by the dog days of summer.

  9. Carstie Clausen said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:27 am

    Trust the process. Giants organization went deep investing in Alphabet Superman and Cueto. Their scouting and analysis of this pair must have been intense and immense. My take is that by the time they took the plunge they pretty much knew what they could expect from their new #’s 2 and 3. Sam/etc. appears to have mainly needed the sense of stability and purpose. Well, he got it. Perhaps Cueto needed competition to be #1 on the staff. Yeah, he has quite the Everest to climb to achieve that status.

    Solid picks. They will help to anchor a rotation capable of competing with those of the Mets, the Nats and anybody the junior circuit can toss out there. The Big Three will also ease the psychological load on Peavy and Cain. That trio could end up winning, or setting the table for two wins outta every 3 games. Less pressure on the other two and more rest for the bullies. Cain is the question mark, but i got a feeling he will come around to be at the very least a competent #5. Jake should realize he is not expected to hafta go more than a couple times through the opposing lineup.

    If significant injuries are minimal the Giants could be a monster this year.

  10. chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:49 am

    What Zume (7:55) and Stix (10:27) said. Outside of that, to answer your ? specifically, I say SamJ.

    Four in Seven!

    Humm Baby – Let’s Do It Again!

  11. chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:51 am

    1. Gregor Blanco (L) LF

    2. Matt Duffy (R) 3B

    3. Buster Posey (R) DH

    4. Jarrett Parker (L) RF

    5. Kyle Blanks (R) 1B

    6. Andrew Susac (R) C

    7. Ramiro Pena (S) 2B

    8. Ehire Adrianza (S) SS

    9. Gorkys Hernandez (R) CF

    Peavy RHP

  12. Flavor said, on March 3, 2016 at 11:04 am

    Daniel does his daily playing pepper thing this time of year and here are the 2 Rockie bloggers answering. Interesting to read other fans perspectives.
    http://www.cardsconclave.com/2016/03/03/playing-pepper-2016-colorado-rockies/

    • wilcojoe said, on March 3, 2016 at 12:16 pm

      I really like the guy and appreciate what he does, but I don’t think he has ever had a reader comment on his blog. I could be mistaken but every time I have browsed thru his blog, the comment section is blank. Seems like a lot of work for an audience that doesn’t exist.

      • chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 1:16 pm

        Agree. And the Rox? Who gives a rat’s ass???

  13. gianthead said, on March 3, 2016 at 11:48 am

    I liked how Christian Arroyo looked yesterday. I thought he was supposed to be a skinny shortstop. He really hit that ball in the gap hard. I hope he pushes hard in a couple of years to make the roster…What the hell is Adrianza doing still on the roster??? Give Arroyo the start…

    • chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 1:11 pm

      Adrianza must have chicken pictures on pick one/or all (Sabes, Evans, Bochy, etc.)…

  14. willedav said, on March 3, 2016 at 11:49 am

    Does Blanks have any shot, as backup 1b/RH pop off bench? Susac has a 1b glove iirc someone said this week, maybe Hank.
    Realistically, with 12 pitchers that means 13 spots and 8 are guaranteed (if healthy) plus Blanco Specs Susac.
    So one OF/one IF I’d imagine is all that would be left open, at least to start season and the OF spot probably is Parker’s to lose.
    They list Blanks as 1b/OF, but he is also huge dude 6-6 260-ish so hard to imagine him as anything other than Belt’s backup.

    • chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 1:17 pm

      I think Blank’s shot at cracking the 25 is very slim.

  15. snarkk said, on March 3, 2016 at 11:58 am

    Samardzxxx is getting more cheese than Peavy. Cuervo more than that. The order is Bum, Cueto, Samardzxxx, then it doesn’t matter after that — the rest are in a big bucket — pick whoever isn’t hurt…

  16. xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    I hope you gentlemen know about this
    http://m.giants.mlb.com/sf/video/v544135483/brewers-at-giants

  17. moseszd said, on March 3, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    Cain. Over the past two years he’s had 26 starts, of which only 9 have been quality starts. That’s less than what Lincecum did in 2014 (26 starts, 13 QS) and it got him benched. And it’s worse than Hudson or Vogelsong last year (22 & 10; 22 & 9).

    To me, at worst, Samardzija is probably good for 18 quality starts. Peavey’s probably about the same, though he could hit 20 because he’s really good for 6 innings then fades and I think the Giants are going to manage him differently this year.

  18. willedav said, on March 3, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    According to F/G Blanks is ultimate AAAA player who lights up AAA but struggles mightily to make contact with near 30% K rate at ml level. As they say, aren’t many guys who get to play much that do that.

  19. chipower9 said, on March 3, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    Well, it is spring training (thank goodness!)…

    Peavy’s line today:

    1.2 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 2 Ks, 1 HR…and wait for it…TWENTY FUCKING SEVEN (27.00) ERA. OUCH.

    • xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 1:25 pm

      That double he gave up to the second batter was smoked off the bottom of the LF wall. Peavy didn’t seem phased by it all, however.

    • Irish Kevin said, on March 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm

      Looks like Peavy has some shit to work on. 😎😎😎

  20. pawliekokonuts said, on March 3, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    When you wrote ‘Shark,’ I thought of the White Shark. My boy. Don’t laugh. He is critical to our success. You watch.

  21. pawliekokonuts said, on March 3, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    Magnus, you asked. Here it is, the e-book of LOST AND FOUND IN ICELAND. http://amzn.to/1LXx0yP
    [don’t be thrown by the ‘religion and spirituality’ tag; just tried to reach beyond ‘travel’; astral projection hahahahahaha]

  22. unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    Dont know if y’all heard this but a part-owner of the OKC Thunder was killed in a car crash Wednesday as he drove his Escalade into a freeway pillar at excess of 100 MPH. He was indicted on Tuesday by the DOJ for bid-rigging of oil and gas leases. Notable in that the Dubs are playing them tonight, OKC blew a 17 point 4th quarter lead last night, and his name was Aubrey (McClendon).

    Of course, this being the DOJ, the illuminati crowd is coming out saying this was a murder.

    • xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 6:49 pm

      The guy got indicted for antitrust violations, then maybe got some bad news from his lawyers and got drunk and effed up. Not that big a deal, in the grand scheme of things. A/T violations happen every day;indictments don’t, but they’re more common with a Democratic President (DOJ priorities). I know of one guy who got convicted for bid-rigging, spent a year in a nice federal prison, and then received a home-town welcome back parade when he was released and returned to run his big company once again.

  23. Paul Sorensen said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    Bay Area Flappers, I see that the D’backs are in town April 18-21, exactly matching the few days I will be back in SF on a brief US visit. If not actually going to one of those games, would certainly be up for a few brews to watch it on the tube at a good sports bar if anyone’s around and interested.

    • zumiee said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:05 pm

      Sounds great, Paul; count me in.

  24. zumiee said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    In the GOP debate tonight, Trump bragged about the size of his penis.
    A proud night in GOP history, the party of Lincoln.

    • Flavor said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:23 pm

      Lol, what was the context?

      • zumiee said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:38 pm

        Rubio, on the campaign trail, implied that Trump’s personality was compensating for a small penis.

      • unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 8:40 pm

        Jesus. Like I keep saying we are one ill-timed scandal by Hillary to having the Donald for Prez.

      • xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:23 pm

        NYT said it all started with jokes about hand size. No matter how it started it’s bad. The republican are doomed. The democrats could retake the senate along with the Oval Office. Very strange period.

    • snarkk said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:16 pm

      The Republithug party is a disgrace. It isn’t a party, it’s a train wreck, a nuthouse, a gathering of fools and ne’er do wells. What kind of “party” runs for office to govern, then when it gets into office, does everything possible NOT to govern?…

  25. unca_chuck said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Is that a stove pipe hat or are you just glad to see me?

  26. xoot said, on March 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    Four score and seven centimeters, . . . .

  27. Macdog said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    So that explains Trump Tower.

  28. mrsprtdude said, on March 3, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    The concern i have is the Panik Duffy combo. Great you players or guys who the league will adjust to? If they struggle and belt doesn’t progress that will be as big a concern as peavy cain.

    • snarkk said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      I’ll take my chances with Panik Duff way more than depend on Peavy and Cain…

  29. snarkk said, on March 3, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    I’m not going to worry ’bout Peavy or Cain. Because my expectations for them are on the floor. If either one or both crater, management has arms in the minors that should be ready to step into the breach. In fact, I’d prefer those two crater early if they’re going to crater, so Heston, Blackburn and/or Beede have plenty of time to get their sea legs…


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