Timmy Watch
Finally got some news on Lincecum. He’s in Arizona *training* with his dad. His pitch count is into the 70’s on a 5 man rotation time frame. That sounds painfully slow, in terms of progress, to me.
But what if he finally turns a corner and can be productive again? Would the Giants re-visit? Especially with Cain and Peavy pitching like #6/7 starters?
I don’t think he’s got anything left. But if you’re going to trot Cain and Peavy out there every week wouldn’t you at least do the same type of rain dance with Timmy?
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No to the last question. I’m not throwing any more millions in that direction. Just the thought of Dad Lincecum is enough to ruin anyone’s morning. Kind of sad Tim has put his baseball life in that guy’s hands.
And I’m blaming Coors for everything…Giants have not looked the same since their visit, as if they have not readjusted to life at sea level since arriving/leaving Kathmandu.
Exactly what I was saying to myself last night, Willie. Fucking Coors Field.
Nice to see return of Blade. Couple things—I was fan of Pagan up to last year. He had a great April where he hit .340 with .800 OPS and then 3 crummy months when his best stats were .290 OB and .626 OPS. Yes he was hurt, but way before he finally got some procedure done in August. Imo that’s on him, because prior to that he was still talking about playing every day and he wasn’t doing well at plate or in the field.
This year once again he is off to great start and thriving at 9 hole/second leadoff…so we’ll see. I just don’t like pitcher hitting 8th so idk where they would hit Pagan otherwise. Right now he’s doing better than most everyone else at the plate.
I did want to ask you and Paul or others that travel extensively about jet lag. My co. sells a product developed by an MD designed to help hydration and others I talk to mention melatonin. I’ve also read a treatise on value of dried cherries. Thoughts?
Willie, usually I am more affected by my return home versus traveling to another country. Particularly true when going to Asia (forward in time). I am not certain why that is true, except perhaps, maybe I have more adrenalin about a new place (country) compared to being at home. This return trip was particularly draining and scary, i.e., I think I had brown marks on my skivvies. This is what I posted on my Facebook page:
“I have been up since 8am yesterday (4:38am now) . . . Jai and I at Bangkok airport having coffee, waiting for my 6:50am flight to Tokyo.”
and
“Soooooo grateful to be alive! The plane I was on almost crashed while attempting a landing at Narita airport, Tokyo. High winds, severe rain pummeled the aircraft (wind shear?) and at the last moment – maybe 400-500 feet from the runway approach, the pilot veered upward, with full thrust. We were diverted to another airport. Sat there for 4-5 hours, then flew back to Narita airport in Tokyo, where the weather was better. At 9pm there was an unbelievable immigration line. At least 750-1000 people already in line. Arghh! So tired. They are busing us to a hotel, but may not get there until 1am (I was supposed to be on a 5:30pm flight to San Jose). Ugh. Regardless, so thankful for that pilot’s skill! G’nite . . . Left the hotel next morning and waited for a flight to San Jose until 5:25pm.”
I would be interested in Paul’s opinion, as he has had some horrendous flights out of SE Asia, with long layovers in Tokyo, Seoul, and Hong Kong. Yeah Willie, I use melatonin for sleep, as it is a natural supplement and inexpensive. Nevertheless, I would be interested in info about the product you mentioned . . . blade3colorado@yahoo.com
Where did they divert you? Osaka? As many times as I have flown, I have yet to have that experience, which is surprising considering how often that happens in Texas. I can imagine it’s even worse in some of those Asian typhoons. Not to mention there aren’t as many choices for diverting many of those large bodied aircrafts over there.
Haneda International Airport WJ . . . It’s about an hour and a half from Narita Airport via bus. I have had 3 close calls on airplanes – the other two are: 1. Pilot landing in SF suddenly veered up because there was a plane taxing on the runway we were going to land on. Saw the plane he avoided as we passed by (gulp); and, 2. Commuter prop plane where you can see the pilot and copilot up front, flying from Bloomington, Indiana to Chicago. The hawk was really blowing that day and I thought we had bought the farm. Plane was coming in sideways until the last second where he straightened it out and landed safely. This Tokyo flight was the scariest though.
Coming in sideways and straightening out at the last second is the normal procedure for landing in a strong crosswind, it is not unusual. It’s called “crabbing”
Familiar with the term bb . . . Actually, the proper term is “sideslip” and as with decrabbing and crabbing – they are sometimes used in combination (forward slip). Regardless, it scared the shit out of me, especially being able to see what the pilot was seeing. Grin.
Yes, I’ve heard it called ‘sideslip’. However, all the pilots I came up around called it “crabbing” Im not an expert by any means but I was around an inordinate number of pilots .. Two senior pilots for major Canadian airlines in my youth, a former step-son who is still a captain for FedEX, my late father in law who was a WWII navy pilot flying off carriers in the South Pacific, and 4 or 5 friends who fly privately. All these connections, even got me the chance to fly in the jumpseat of a Luftansa 747 from SFO to Düsseldorf some years ago when I was heading out on tour. I used be an aviation enthusiast but my interest has waned over the years .. Not sure why exactly. When I was a kid, I wanted to be pilot. I had terrible eyesight and was told promptly I had no chance to fly commercially other than with few outfits that had high mortality rates .. flying over the Andes, Burma hump etc.
Oh .. and the sideslip/crabbing technique, I was told, involves a rather sudden and violent last second “kick” to the rudder pedals to straighten the ship out and line her up with the runaway.
I always buy dried prunes and/or apricots at whatever country I am staying at for ensuring I am “regular.” Also, I eat a lot of salads – again for roughage and being regular.
Seeing as we are struggling now, I’d say no. Well, we do need someone to fill Charlton Heston’s role. Ain’t my scratch. go for it.
It was easy to walk from last night’s game. After the bottom of the 6th, Better call Saul was much better entertainment.
Shit, I’d put Pagan lead off, Span is doing nothing there, Panik, Posey, Pence, Belt, Crawfish, Span, Duffster.
Beats the zombie shit we’ve been seeing lately
I’ve wanted to see Lincecum retire for about 18 months now, and I still feel the same way.
Sounds like part of the reason Heston got sent out was to stretch him out and get him back to starting games. Cain, I’m willing to give some rope to. Peavy is another story. I’d give Peavy 2 more starts and if he still blows, give his spot to The Omega Man (Heston).
After a rough first inning, Peavy pitched pretty damned well the other night. Certainly respectable for a 4/5 guy. I would give him at least two more starts. With he and Bochy’s bromance, Peavy probably gets a longer rope than most.
Where are the Giants at right now? Some say at Coors. I think they are in novocain nirvana nowhereland. Came the 5th inning and Cain gives up a pair, two outs, man in scoring position, Goldschmidt at the plate. I shut down the computer. Why? Obvious, isn’t it. For whatever reason, as i have noted over the past couple days, the team has no spark, no spirit, no elan vital ~ flatter than a flounder.
ONE player needs to put on a marquee performance. Hoping it’s on 4-20. Timmy would approve.
Uh, good to know, Blade. . .
Hey are you going to be in Colo in early September? Going to a Giants / Sherpas game on September 7th. Be great to meet up.
Also going to catch Bonnie Raitt at Red Rocks Sept 8th. Psyched about that.
Yes, very likely. Who’s all coming? You and the missus?
Yeah, we’re meeting up w/my wife’s cousin and her husband.
K . . . Let me know what you want to do when it gets closer to your trip, e.g., go to the game, get lunch or dinner, and/or something else. Coors is a great venue for watching a game. Same thing with the LODO area where it is located. Only issue is the product on the field. Ha.
Definitely the game. Not sure about anything else. My wife has a bunch of family out there and we’ll likely be doing the whirlwind tour of Denver suburbs.
No time for Shotgun Willie’s . . .
Cain just can’t seem to get guys out quickly anymore. Every batter goes 6-9 pitches, fouling shit off and staying alive. By the 3rd time through the order, guys have figured him out. 11 runs given up in the 5th, none in any other innings.
Maybe he should play RF in the 5th. Then again, 1 run in 3 starts for him. Gawd.
Right now, I have confidence in the bullpen reinforcements. Sort of hoping that Casilla rights the ship. He already has blown 2 saves, so his next opportunity I will be watching carefully. Gearrin has been a stud early on. Osich has taken Affeldt’s place in a satisfactory manner. Law has faced seven batters and rung up five of them. I am also intrigued by Okert – although a lefty – I believe he has the ability to close.
Dunno about Strickland. In my book, he gets a fail thus far.
For whatever reason, Strickland looked much better last night, and vs. the middle of the order, a complete 180 from the night before. Maybe he can build off that because, yeah, he’s been pretty lousy.
Nice to see you back. Pretty drained (lol) after SE Asia, i’m sure. Those 2 newbies ~ albeit Broadway was up for a spell last season ~ did ok last night. Okert passed his first MLB test. Bullies may take a while to sort themselves out, but that is the primary strength of the pipeline so more hole-fillers are available.
Lefty closers are few and far between, but hey, Law is presenting the case for himself to take that over.
Reminds me of the White Sox OF of Law and Orta.
Hey all! Just FYI, I’ve given myself the challenge this season to create a kind of short hand log/journal for each Giants series. My hope is that it results in a decent little tool to refer back to so as to refresh my memory of who was doing what when, certain trends, etc. .. and maybe some deeper info that cannot be had by simply looking back on scores & stats. Once we are deep into the season, maybe I can contribute & share some vitals with Flap Nation.
that’s a great idea.
Awesome, Lisle…looking forward to it!
I think the best thing to do is just use the archives section of this blog. You’ll get a very visceral accounting of the team in it’s current state on that given day.
Just watched Buster Posey’s first hit as a Giant . . . Forever immortalized by Flav himself. . . .
yup. San Dawg was there, too
Yes, that would be the best idea .. but that is such a laborious undertaking, I don’t have that kind of time. I’m keeping my notes on a tiny reference sheet (4×5) and am inventing a kind of short hand. Maybe I won’t be able to decipher my own notes .. Ha! That would be typical for me!
Hey, I know a lot of Flappers are DONE with Timmy. Me? If he says he is ready, I think the Giants should take a look, and if he looks plausible, then sign him to a minimum contract, let him get his legs back in Sacto, and see what he has got.
This is for Timmy:
Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 29s29 seconds ago
Lincecum intrigue: Tim was spotted throwing on #SFGiants fields in Ariz (and a few other places). Showcase expected soon.
I knew it! This Giants ownership are never letting TL go to another team .. That would be like if they had traded Bonds or Bum. It ain’t happening, EVER! If he can pitch, even just a little bit … He’s an immortal
Giant, forevaaaaaaaah! YaY!
I am with you on this one, Lisle! If 55 has anything left that can help a ML pitching staff…he should be doing it in the Giant’s Orange and Black.
If they can trade Willie Mays, I’m pretty sure anyone else is tradeable.
Willie, I’d be interested in hearing more about your product, although for some reason, my body reacts the complete opposite to most “sleep aids”. Melatonin never did a thing for me, just made me groggy and stupid but not sleepy. Yeah, hard to tell the difference from my normal state… Other over the counter sleep aids usually keep me awake hallucinating shapes on the ceiling. I’ve done that cross-Pacific flight about 30 times now, and basically, it just is what it is, each time a little different. Sometimes a couple glasses of red wine do the trick, other times not. Usually I just make sure I have a good book and also hope for a handful of movies I’m actually interested in seeing. Or not. One flight, without headphones, I watched Water World 5 times. Still didn’t sleep. I just trick my body into thinking it’s in the hospital and must just be still for 20 hours. Or I pretend I’m Jack Bauer in a Chinese prison. The flights are never as painful as that would be. I think. There is only one thing that always helps me sleep, but smoking of any kind is not permitted on those flights……..
Take it as a grain of salt(Rumor) but one of my co workers dad not named Chris L, says the G men will sign Timmeh for the pen/ Long relief/ are in the case of are 6-7 starters a shot at #5
That’s an entire salt mine Kat (see my 11:35 and a post of mine from 10 days ago, or so)
As I mentioned above, if he has ANYTHING that will help the Giants either in the pen, or as a starter, BRING IT ON!
“I watched Water World 5 times.”
lulz…. With no sound, no less… try that sometime. 🙂
I always thought Timmy would have to sit a full year with that surgery but I still think he may still be done…
Dwayne “Pearl” Washington gone at 52…
RIP. I loved the Pearl and those Syracuse teams he was on.
A minor sports regret was not seeing Pearl play when I was in upstate NY in ’85. What a fantastic college player. Of course, he became one of Nets’ many bust picks, he was just too slow for the NBA.
Chuck, regarding your 3:53pm post, by September the Sherpa scalpers PAY YOU to take their tickets. Consequently, no problemo in getting tickets.
at this point, Timmy isn’t getting a ML deal. So why not take a shot with him? Again, he needs to do more than throw 70 pitches with his dad every fifth day, but I love the idea of bringing him back just for the story. And who knows? Maybe he’s better than Peavy or Cain? Would that really be that hard to do?
by the way, if anything weird happens with accessing the blog over the next 2 days, please email me. bigflavor77@gmail.com
Shouldn’t be a problem, but just in case, let me know.
Craig, not certain if it is just certain OS android versions, but I can’t log in on my phone. Consequently, I can only view messages. No problem on my tablet (another android OS version), OIS, and Win 10.
did that start happening today?
Actually yesterday. On google browser, with both the “full site” and mobile one.
thanks. lets see what happens tomorrow.
Must be your phone/OS…I got in no prob just now with my phone (iPhone 6s Plus)…
Parents just left on their European cruise today, so accessing a PC or Mac isn’t an issue. Plus, I do have my tablet. Thanks Craig.
Just got to wondering whether a certain Carolina cowpoker might not be setting to making a message soonest.
wut
Sometimes i’m just too damned subtle. Somebody is from Carolina. That somebody and somebody close to him has cows. So who’s poking whom? Probably not the cow. No bull. So which Carolina cowpoker might be in position to send a message tonight which might be relevant to this thread?
Thought maybe we’d be blocking North Carolina IPs in protest of HB2.
duck on the pond and Posey with a weak 2 hopper to 2b. Moves the runner over but dang
The Giants seem to be loaded with young arms not making diddly for $$$ for the pen and rotation. They already have 2 high priced FAs that seem locked in, plus Bum.
Why would you want to bring back a rehabbing pitcher who for a few years running hasn’t been worth a cent let alone all the millions he has paid?
Sorry but just because he is Lincecum means nothing to me. I understand many many fans think otherwise, but he’s already milked the org for one highly undeserved $35 mil contract. No more.
how bout a minor league deal? 600K more gonna make you do a slower or faster burn on him?
I would actually be OK with that, but I doubt he’d go for it unless every other team supposedly interested passed on him for a ml job. And if they did, wouldn’t that make you think go hmmn…?
Agree. Only scenario I see where Timmy makes the team is if he absolutely wows the Giants scouts, Sabes, Evans, and Bochy at a minimum pro-rated MLB salary . . . and then, only if Peavy facepants in his next start (likely IMO) and the young arms aren’t ready for prime time.
Bum seems to be about 2 MPH less on his fastball than in years past.
Giants can’t seem to get that clutch wild pitch tonight.
lol.
Mac that is a POTD if Loo is on the DL . . . Sort of like Bryce Harper and fill in the blank for MVP.
Agree WillieD,
Timmy’s reputation is like a gunfighter.Fast& invincible in the beginning, loses an edge with age then ends up in Boot Hill .
Or, those other old slow gunfighters who pull a derringer out of their boot and put a .44 through your chest. 😉
After spewing out more hate, Schilling was fired by ESPN. Good for ESPN.
Schilling could end up getting hired on some other network, but ESPN did the right thing.
totally agree….
Hey, new topic, but I am trying to figure out if I’m double paying for something at the Flap and my dyn service provider is an idiot so I’m going to let a payment slip and see what happens. Current subscription is supposed to expire tomorrow so either shit will stop working tomorrow/next day or everything will be fine. Either way, I’ll work it out, give me feedback starting tomorrow on whether or not you’re having trouble accessing the site.
Schilling and Trump have 2 things in common – hate and bankruptcy. Oh yeah, forgot one – bimbo wifes.
Schilling is a multi-level jerk. He didn’t need the ESPN gig, just did it to pass the time. Had to be since they warned him multiple times about shooting off his mouth about politics and social issues…
I thought Schilling was $50 mill in debt or some shit. Fucking tool.
0-2 hanger.
Ballgame.
I wouldn’t miss it if we never played this piece of shit team again, ever. Fuck! What happened to the ball club we loved the first week of the season???
Right- how does an entire team go into a slump at the same time?
We just said that about Colo
More about their shit park than their team. The team don’t anybody.
don’t scare
We seems to be the only team that plays like shit against Aza, Colo, and SD. Everyone else makes their hay but us.
Tiburon Blanco! Let’s get a conga line going here!
Wow…that is the same damned pitch that Belt got rung up on earlier…
Terrible AB from Span. Over-anxious and awful.
Nice play by Posey.
Spam is fucking lost. Pagan needs to lead off.
He sucks so bad. I agree…get Pagan in there and Blanco gets a few spot starts, too!
Posey did a great job pouncing on that feeble bunt to nail that runner at 3rd. Plays like that is why he stays behind the dish, that and 3 rings managing the pitching staff,,
Well said. His defense is sort of underrated.
The Law rules again.
Ok, got the heart of the order coming up.
Grienke’s out. Do something.9
Chuck,
Looks like the heart of the order just went into cardiac arrest..
Belt O for 4 and rung up 3 times. You know your team blows when the only rah rah in the game was for Blanco.
Frustrating.
Well, he did take 9 or 10 pitches to strike out. I guess that’s a plus, sorta…
True. He did battle. Similar to how some folks dislike Pagan, I have issues with Belt. Going to my first Belt Anonymous meeting next week. I promise.
Looks like the DuffMan’s bat may be coming alive. Someone needs to get hot…
Chi . . . I know you were doubting him. He’s a player bro. Dude will rake this season.
The Duffman with the energetic dubble…
Unfortunately it doesn’t mean shit if the boys cannot pick him up.
This losing business is getting a little frustrating…
This shit is getting old…real fucking old, real fucking quick.
How about realize the umps give Ziegler that low pitch. Some stupid ABs that inning.
Poor play, plus the umps hate us too.
I want Span out of the lead-off spot and the pitcher out of the 8th spot.
A positive thing has been the young bullpen guys. They look very promising.
Gyros 3,4,5 spots a collective 0-12 tonight…
I missed it tonight … Looks like same shit different day … ?
The Giants continue to get mowed down by Greinke and Kershaw.
Greinke, Kershaw and just about everybody else we face lately … When was the last game we really punished an opposing pitcher?
It’s getting hard to remember.
Kruk is on KNBR saying Bum’s velocity was up & was pitching very well.
WilcoJoe said he lost 2 MPH on his heater at 8:23pm. Who to believe? Kruk or Wilcojoe?
Going with a knowledgeable Flapper, but hoping that Kruk is right eventually. 🙂
He was at 90-91 all night. He won’t be as good as he’s been if that persists.
Well, I can only speak from personal experience … After reading this blog for a considerable amount of time before jumping into the fray, I must say I feel rthis is the most consistently intelligent & informative, game to game, baseball writing I have ever come across. So, I’ll go with a Flapper hands down, anytime, any place
Just once I’d like the guys on the post-game wrap on KNBR to say something like “yep, the squad is hitting like dogmeat right now, they have to get their heads out of their a- -es, and make something happen”. No such luck tonight, just another yuk it up post game as if they’ve just won 4 out of 5…
Damn, Snarkk, I can’t agree with you more … I rarely listen to them anymore, maybe I will once in awhile, but only if I’ve not been able to catch the game & am trying to get any tidbit They offer nothing substantial, no insight whatsoever.
They pray at the altar of this tool . . .
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/002/498/922/joebuck_crop_north.jpg?w=440&h=293&q=75
So was this a sign that Greinke is back, or throw it out because it came against our feeble lineup?
Excellent question … I gotta think about that for a minute …
He has a superior slider, curveball, change-up, throws 93 and has command. Looks good to me.
We know he is good James. I understood the question to be ‘is he out of his slump or do we just suck so bad we can make anybody look good. Myself, I’ll take the middle path and say it’s a bit of both. We are so bad with the bats right now, we probably helped Greinke figure somethings out tonight. He’ll probably look back on this game as the turning point in his season … All thx to our won ineptitude. So, we doubly fucked ourselves by not pouncing on him.
Should have used the past tense, Baldy 🙂
BTW, watching Ray last night from behind home plate, he was at 93-95 all night and did not have one of his control lapses. Kept the breaking ball down. Two very good pitching performances against an offense that was playing over its head is all you need to know about the team wide slump.
So, you’re saying some of this offensive slump has been due to a lineup that is likely not as good as we think, coupled with the bad timing of them going up against a few pitchers having uncharacteristically good performances?
I think the line up is very good, and will be a lot of fun to watch over the season. But do you think they will score 900 runs this year? That was the pace they were on before the last two games.
Wait for Grienke’s next few starts, Mac.
We made Rachel Ray look like Ray oil can Boyd.
Bum has pitched a lot of innings since coming up at 20. He’s a horse, but hey, maybe that arm is getting a little mileage on it. Still, tonight giving up 2 should be good enough to get a win…
Marty Lurie just noted that Giants have failed to score in the first inning in 13 of 16 games. I’ve not been so down on Span as some others but this particular combination of players forming the top of our lineup is not clicking and after 16 games it as become an obvious fact.