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ShopTawk, With Daniel

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 15, 2016
Once again our Cardinal friend (@C70 on twitter) has come up with a series of thoughtful questions that I have answered and encourage you all to do the same. I know he reads the comment section so don’t hold back, let ‘er rip and get ready to get smacked down by St Louis this weekend………
1) So, in a nutshell, what the heck has happened out there?  This was a team playing in the Cubs neighborhood around the break and now they are, well, where the Cardinals are.
Flavor’s Response: If you talk to some of the folks here, the theory is that Duffy getting traded caused this epic meltdown. I don’t happen to buy that. I think Bochy has stuck with his guys too long and they’re all either dinged up or having bad years. The bullpen blowing all these second half saves has probably had a lingering effect on the team, too. 
2) Is this wild-card “race” the National League’s way of rejecting the expanded playoffs?  Doesn’t seem like anyone really wants to win either slot.  If you were to guess, which two teams will finally make it in?
Flavor’s Response: I’m assuming the Mets roll into the top spot of the WC race and the final spot comes down to us and the Cardinals. And come on, we are probably the worst team in the league right now. I fully expect the Cardinals to destroy us this series and end this farce of a race by the end of this weekend. 
3) (I know you and I have talked about Bochy, but I want to get this down for Cardinal fans to see it!) We do plenty of complaining about Mike Matheny, but I am starting to hear some rumblings about Bruce Bochy as well.  Is he less beloved than he was a couple of years ago?
Flavor’s Response: Bochy is who he is. Dirt said it the other day, “People don’t change, man.” Bochy is gonna play *his guys* till they drop. Since 2010 and his obsession with playing Aaron Rowand regularly, it’s worked. Now, it’s failing and he looks like an idiot. And maybe he is. But now he’s an idiot because his decisions aren’t working out. 
4) What is going right for the Giants right now, if anything?  What do you feel like you can rely on even if something else contributes to a loss?
Flavor’s Response: I guess some of our starting pitching has been ok. 
5) Mike Leake goes for the Cardinals in this series.  Is there any other pitcher this weekend that you want to beat more than him?  I know he didn’t leave a great impression during his short time in SF.
Flavor’s Response: First of all, we won’t be beating Mike Leake. We suck. But to be honest, I barely remember any of Leake’s starts except the one right after we got eliminated from contention–he was 8 innings, lights out. Too little too late from a guy who is an ant-small competitor. 
6) What’s your feeling about the rest of the Giants’ schedule?  Is this a must-win series or can they split and still have a chance in the next two weeks?
Flavor’s Response: You can’t win a series if you can’t win a game. That’s my skilled take on this season. 
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  1. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:39 am

    All I can hope for now is the team collectively pulls its head out of its ass to avoid all this ‘epic collapse’ talk.

  2. Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:39 am

    Thanks, Craig! Good stuff!

  3. willedav said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:04 am

    My coaching mentor for b-ball always said you learn more about your team when you lose than when you win.
    so, bottom line, Giants just are not as good as advertised unless they are playing AZ. We’ve been waiting for them to pull collective heads out, find a spark yada yada. Pence has finally gotten back to near his old self but he can’t pull the other 25 + along with him no matter what he says or does, like trying to get blood out of a turnip.

    This is on everyone from Evans to Bochy. The team as constructed has major issues that need to be addressed and Bochy has to figure out a way to get more out of what he has. I’ve been polly all along but Ryan Schimpf, who did what he needed to win a game (unlike Giants) ended that 99%.

    Rotation is a plus with 2 big caveats First, Bum and Cueto have not enjoyed near as much success in second half, and there needs to be a reason found. Sure Bum pitched well, but I don’t care about numbers, I want a W. Don’t give me the pressure of having to compensate for pen or offense suckitude–this guy has faced untold pressure in 2014 and handled it.
    Cueto does have an opt out and SF needs to prepare for that. He has a ring, and as much as he might like it here, usually it’s all about money. He could walk and leave a big hole every 5 days.

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:43 pm

      Cueto is on the hook through next year. And afterwards, his salary is almost 22 mil. Not exactly chump-change. Even though he has had a good year (15-5 with a sub 3 ERA and a WHIP hovering around 1.xx), not sure he is going to get that much of a bump money-wise, elsewhere.

  4. willedav said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:23 am

    2 areas of ? for Daniel, and btw thx for coming on here it’s always a pleasure to hear what you have to say.

    First, like SF, Cards pen seems like work in progress. Are you happy with Segrist as closer du jour?
    Reyes went 4 the other night, what is his ultimate role? Who does Matheny (and you) trust to set up?

    Second, how to explain power surge in STL, so unlike dramatic power outage for HRs in SF?
    I know Moss has been bone of contention but he did hit big HR the other night also, something Giants haven’t seen much of since AS break…unless it’s for the other team.

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:44 am

      I’m hopeful that Seung-huan Oh’a groin injury will be cleared up enough for him to pitch against the Giants. There was talk he could be ready even Tuesday (though he wasn’t used) so it’s possible. If not, Siegrist is probably the best option. He’s not been lights out but more dependable than some other options.

      They like having Reyes available for multiple innings, but there is still the possibility he starts instead of Garcia on Sunday. My feeling is he won’t, but it’s a strong possibility. Eventually he’ll be a starter, but that’s not until next year at the earliest.

      Siegrist should be Mr. Set Up, but many others could be. Matt Bowman has been great most of the year but I’m afraid he’s tiring. Broxton seems to go in spurts of good or bad. There’s talk about Rosenthal returning soon, which could help.

      The power is fairly inexplicable. A healthy Moss and letting Jedd Gyorko play regularly is a good chunk of it, but this season is beyond the wildest expectations.

  5. willedav said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:45 am

    Gorkys and Specs who have played vs. LHP, could be out until Sunday the only time this weekend Giants face a LHP/SP.
    So look for the usual suspects, tho Nunez (oblique strain) might be healthy enough to play today.

    Meanwhile according to Schulman;

    Span is 3-46.
    Pagan 7-47
    Craw 10-54
    Posey 11-57 and career long 2 months (as of today) since last HR.

    • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:35 am

      If Schulman had dug a little deeper into the box scores he would’ve seen that Span is actually 3-49 (.061)…

  6. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:03 am

    Willie: Cueto’s opt out clause is not until after the 2017 season, so he’s a definite for next year.
    By that time they should probably pray that he takes it…

    I am all aboard he Posey to 1B move for next season and I’m ready to say goodbye to Belt. He’s a good trade chip and I’d dangle Panik and Strickland, too. Fuck the home grown infield – who really cares? There should be plenty of serviceable to above average catchers available who can do the job. Span and Cain cannot be here next season. I wish we could ship them both to the Red Sox for Sandoval – the money just about balances out. What’s the difference if he’s useless? So are Cain and Span. It would be a money for money deal and both sides can just hope for the best. I’d call the Pirates about McCutcheon, too. The Mets will find a way to keep Cespedes. Last year was the time to get him…

    • willedav said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:28 am

      Yeah Pirates seem obvious trade partner for Belt. Toss in Strick +, Cutch and Cervelli.
      Span has to go that failed totally and if they need to pay someone to take him, do it.

      But C (if Belt is dealt) and CF need to be addressed. Gorkys is a back up, Brown too. Most Cs these days can’t hit for shit, but someone who can call a game and as you said block pitches would be great.

      Pen, was total fail this year. Other than Law Smith and maybe Romo, nothing to rely on. Gotta be built from closer (FAs out there too) back toward set ups.

      You’re probably right, Giants might live to regret the long term Cueto. But if he does go, they’ve got to get kids ready and push Suarez to the pen and dump Cain off.

      Evans has to realize too much deadwood around that has to go for Giants to get better. They fill the yard with $$$ off ticket sales, no excuses.

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:07 am

    For me the one positive is being able to turn to Bumgarner, Cueto or Moore for the play in game.

    • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:21 am

      They have 17 play-in games before that one…

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:22 am

        True. I’m trying to stay positive here, dj!

  8. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:08 am

    Pagan and Blanco as well. This is why Williamson and Parker should be playing. Along with Grrkkys.

    Got some free bleacher seats for tonight’s game. Going with my daughter. Since we both work in the city, it’ll be easy. Whether it’ll be fun or not remains to be seen. At some point Bochy has to see that benching Span has to happen. Gorkys is HITTING for God’s sake. Span is zzzz-ing.

    • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:27 am

      Mac and Parker should have played more, but aside from a little HR pop they haven’t exactly dazzled when given the chance…

      • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:45 pm

        Agree, but it is hard to “dazzle” without regular ABs. Everyone else has sucked until the cows come home, so WTF…roll the dice with the kids and see what they can do. A spot start here and there won’t tell ya jack shit, IMO.

  9. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:09 am

    Everyone can be aboard with the Posey to 1st thing but it isn’t going to happen.

    • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:17 am

      I know it’s unlikely, but it can happen, Chuck. What if Posey decided in favor of it? What if he attributed his epic power failure to the rigors of catching and his approaching 30th birthday? He has to consider his health, his family and the length of his career, too. He has taken a massive beating back there and countless head shots. The Giants have a big investment to protect. I just wonder if Belt’s long-term deal makes him harder or easier to trade…

      • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:50 pm

        With the beating he has taken this year, I am changing my tune and see value in moving Posey to 1st, or at least doing an even split with Belt. Belt has not been an embarrassment in the OF, so if they cannot deal him, there is LF as an option. Belt is slated to make 8.8 next year, and 16 the following four years.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:10 am

    chuck, I’m heading to the yard tonight too section 112.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:15 am

      Nice seats. We are B 137 (bleachers). Are you going to get there early? Allison works til 6:30 so i have time to kill. I’m just going to walk down from Montgomery to the park around 4:30.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:23 am

        I’m going to try and get up there early but you never know with afternoon meeting and traffic. I’ll shot you a message on Facebutt.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:28 am

        cool.

  11. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:11 am

    Jesus Christ! Just did the math. Span is hitting .065 in that stretch.

    BOOOOOOCHYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!

  12. Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:34 am

    What I am hoping is that Posey recognizes that he could be a little more productive if he wasn’t dinged up all the time. He’s gotten older. The body doesn’t age well at that position. Just have a little insight on this……

    • Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:37 am

      I see Loo’s 11:17am already covered most of this.

  13. willedav said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Loo I think in a friendlier yard Belt would put up type of numbers that make his deal pretty fair given added value of walks and run saving D.
    But if SF is OK with his production (lol) then imo he needs to make couple big adjustments.

    First, pull the ball to get it out of yard. Down the line is easiest shot in the whole place, and I’ve seen Span and others do it. It’s a lot harder to go deep LCF and he gets ATT’d trying to hit it out to RCF. So take what the park is giving you.

    Second, he HAS to take advantage of the huge hole he has on left side vs. shift. Half the dang time he sees outside pitch or two, a total ignore of how D is playing. shoot playing pepper shots past 3b or into short LF and make them pay for it, without sacrificing his precious batting eye.

  14. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:53 am

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:56 am

    Belt has got to be the only MLB regular that simply can’t hit a dead red fastball. When you factor in his all around game I really like Belt but wouldn’t be sad to see him go if Posey moved to 1b. I don’t think Pagan comes back so the club is going to have to figure out something in the OF. Moving Belt may be the answer but it might be better to try and get a legit closer in the exchange.

  16. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:57 am

    If the bright red sight of the fuckin’ Cardinals doesn’t wake the Giants up, nothing will.
    The bland Padres and the Soot-backs could put anyone to sleep…

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:24 pm

      Well, they will be wearing the gray road uniforms, so maybe the senses will still be deadened some. These stakes are definitely something that should have both teams at their best. Whatever that may be.

  17. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    Here come the relentless zombies known as the St. Louis Cardinals.
    (That’s a compliment, Daniel. 🙂 )

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:25 pm

      They’ve surely been called worse, though not usually by this fan base. 🙂

  18. Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:06 pm

    Dennis Lin ‏@sdutdennislin 20h20 hours ago
    The Padres have two series sweeps this season. Both have come against the Giants.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:09 pm

      Ouch. And this is after we swept them 3 straight series.

    • willedav said, on September 15, 2016 at 12:28 pm

      Half their LU is guys no one has ever heard of because they dumped Kemp and Melvin Up. Schimpf is hitting .229, Norris is at .182. Solarte and Myers are only 2 decent hitters they have.
      When was last time a Giant did what Schimpf did? Or that they rallied late with 5 runs to win a game?

      Honest, the guys on left side of Dodgers IF, Turner and Seager kid, are better than any single Giant hitter.
      Their guys, without Opie and starting Bud Norris types and OF by committe, hit enough bombs to make up for it and rallied their way past SF. Never should have happened.

  19. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    Good to see you here Daniel. Always good to see you here…it brings back childhood memories of growing-up in Oklahoma, listening to Harry Caray call Cards games. (Once I got to CA in 1977, I knew I was here to stay, and started following the Giants.)

    I will try to limit my deadbird references. 😉

    Going down the list of your questions:

    1) What happened? Good question. Injuries were certainly a part of it. Pence was out for quite a while, and there have been others who have missed time. I am not buying it that the team was ill-constructed (as mentioned by some here). Seriously, that same team, sans a few minor changes (and no, Duffy did not cause this damned slide) is the same team that was the best in the NL first half. The bats have slumped up and down the line-up. Most of the Giants big bats are known to be streaky, but I have never seen multiple hitters tank like this. The bullpen has been awful of late, too.

    Regarding the make-up of the team from the beginning, while I do not see that as the fault for the epic second-half collapse, I do think the will have to do some major re-tooling to be competitive next year.

    2) The way the Giants are playing of late, I would guess the Mets and Cards. I hope I am surprised, but even if we sneak-in with a WC slot, I am not sure this team can go deep (certainly cannot playing the way they have recently).

    3) Bochy has made some questionable calls and moves this year, but I think he is still one of the top skippers in the game. This slide is more on the players than it is on Bochy, IMO.

    4) Agree with Flavor. SP has been decent at times. Bullpen was decent for stretches, but leaves MUCH to be desired of late. I mean really – 7 losses when the team was leading in the 9th. 7 blown saves in 11 opportunities in Sept. alone. OUCH. That does not speak of a team that can go deep in the playoffs. Hell, they have to get in first.

    5) I could care less about Leake, and I was a big proponent of signing him last year. I could care less who we beat (as far as starters go)…we just need to win every damn series rest of the way to have any realistic chance of making some noise.

    6) Well, obviously it is not a must win, at least mathematically, I think they do need, at a minimum, a split with the Cards. Going 1-3 would put us 2 back with 13 to play, and 6 of those 13 is against the hated bambinos of la la land. That would be a tough road to travel. So, a split at a minimum.

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:09 pm

      Always enjoy talking with you as well. Thanks for the info–it was just stunning to me to see Bochy being criticized as he was. Some of the comments you could have replaced him with Mike Matheny and found them on Cardinal Twitter!

      • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:16 pm

        Agree. I have big respect for Matheny, both from his short stint here behind the dish, and also as a manager.

      • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:24 pm

        You would then wind up in the minority of the Cardinal twitter. For some, he can do no right. For others, at best he’s mediocre. While he has his defenders, I don’t know if he has a whole lot of fans, if you catch my meaning.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:32 pm

        Loved him as a player, but I haven’t really seen much of him as a manager, except the the playoffs. And I think Bochy got the better of him a couple times. Other than that it’s hard to assess his job from afar.

  20. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    Yeah, it’s hard to figure the slide out as the team was winning with backups at a lot of positions.

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:53 pm

      Agree, Charlie. When I see folks say it is all on the way the team was constructed, I have to call bullshit on that. They were the BEST FUCKING TEAM in baseball, first half. I do think they will have to retool for next year to stay competitive, though.

  21. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    One can only hope AZ does to the Dogs what SD did to us. The totally agonizingly pisser fucking thing about all this is the Dogs didn’t even really have to catch us. We gave it away. They haven’t been exactly lighting it up either. We have just been playing God-awful. I mean, the starting pitching is better than 2014 by a mile.

  22. alleykat69 said, on September 15, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    Question for Daniel,
    Your a great guy with your knowledge of the Cards..But it’s ok if you want to throw some profanities once in awhile, cause the flap has been using it quite a bit in the 2nd half!!!

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      Appreciate the permission, but even as frustrating as things get, those aren’t part of my vocabulary! 🙂 (I know, I know, how can you trust a person that doesn’t let it fly every once in a while, right?)

      • gianthead said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:02 pm

        Daniel, you rep the Midwest well…us from the Left Coast just don’t give a flying you know what:)

  23. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    Here we go boys…

    1. Angel Pagan (S) LF
    2. Joe Panik (L) 2B
    3. Buster Posey (R) C
    4. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    5. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    6. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    7. Eduardo Nunez (R) 3B
    8. Denard Span (L) CF
    9. Johnny Cueto (R) P

    Span, at least dropped in the line-up! I would get his ass completely outta there. Let Pagan play CF and give one of the youngsters some playing time.

    Let’s T it up and see what you have Giants. You gotta be able to beat the Cards if you want to punch your ticket to the dance, and have any chance of making some noise. Time to put up, or shut up!

  24. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    Daniel, IMO, Bochy has had an atrocious second half of the season. The list of bad moves is pretty long. The two biggest mistakes were sticking with Casilla as sole closer too long. He should have switched to closer by committee a while ago. Casilla’s 8 blown saves is such a ridiculous number. And he stayed with an injured Blanco far too long instead of Parker who was in AAA for quite a while. It’s a GM move, sure, but if Bochy had insisted on it, the GM would have made the move. The injured Blanco was terrible all season, and should have been shut down long ago. Also Tomlinson should have been up for Adrianza months ago.
    Within games, there were some head-scratchingly bad tactical decisions, too. He had health problems that may have contributed to bad decisions. Some of those decisions still fry me a bit. I won’t repeat them. I’ve repeated them enough already over the last couple of months. 🙂
    I love Bochy, he’s a Hall of Fame legend; but he’s not been a good manager the second half of the season. Just my opinion.

    • zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 3:48 pm

      OK, I’ll repeat for the umpteenth two decisions that fry me the most. 🙂 Not just because they were doomed decisions, but because of what they said to the team. Losing to the A’s 8-0, in the 8th inning, the Giants loaded the bases with none out, and Bochy decided to just QUIT, and let the A’s have the game. He allowed the pitcher to bat, a rookie pitcher, and he grounded into a double-play that just killed the inning. That decision to just quit on that game with that promising rally just rankles me still. He sent a real crappy message to the team. Maybe he was having chest pains, and it just sapped his interest in that game. Seriously, maybe he was thinking: “I don’t feel well, something’s wrong, and I just want to get out of here and get to bed. Let’s get this game over.”
      The other decision was pinch-hitting Blanco for Williamson with the bases loaded and one out against the Red Sox. Williamson had hit an HR earlier in the game. Bochy was going for the lefty/righty match-up, but now we know that Blanco had a bad shoulder, and shouldn’t even have been suiting up for games. Bochy had to know that Blanco was injured. Blanco certainly hadn’t been playing well. Blanco grounded into a double-play that killed the rally, and the Giants lost. It was Bochy sticking with “his guy,” the veteran, over the youngster. A move that has frustrated Giants fans sometimes over the years, but this time it seemed particularly ridiculous.

      • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 5:36 pm

        Very interesting to hear. Thanks–that’s something as a non-fan I wouldn’t have seen!

      • snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:18 pm

        I dislike his get away day lineups, usually game 3 in an away series, where he holds out up to 3 starters, and the lineup is like swiss cheese. Other teams do versions of it, too, but Bochy’s seems overkill. Though the position first string has been crap at the plate in the second half, what does it tell the pitcher — he has to throw a shutout to win…

  25. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 3:54 pm

    I’ve been finding Bochy’s post-game press conferences lately unwatchable. They’re fun and cute when the Giants are winning, but when they’re losing, the unending optimism actually becomes grating. “Well….we, uh, did some good things out there, and uh, we just caught some bad breaks. The ball just didn’t bounce the right way for us. We did some good things. We had a few hiccups that cost us, but I like our team, and I think we’re heading in the right direction, starting to make some good contact. The ball’s going to start falling our way.
    Etc., etc., etc.”

    • zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 3:57 pm

      “Our pitching was fine; uh, we just made a couple of mistakes in the strikezone. We’ll be fine. I like our guys.
      Etc., etc., etc.”

  26. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    “Yes, the planet Earth was completely destroyed by a giant asteroid, but I like this boulder I’m hanging onto. I think it will rotate around the sun at a decent distant. I like this boulder. It’s fine.”

    • eddacker said, on September 16, 2016 at 12:20 am

      awesome analogy.
      and let’s move those deck chairs; there’s too many deck chairs for this boulder.

      Some humor in what has been a humorless couple of months.

  27. gianthead said, on September 15, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    Daniel, some of us started to get nervous about the Giants right before the break. The signs of a weak bullpen were starting to show itself. And I for one thought we needed a bigger bat in the lineup and thought someone like Jay Bruce was a close to must-have. But the reality was that we needed a new closer more than anything else. We probably would be closer to .500 with a new closer and should be 4-5 games ahead of your Cards…

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 5:38 pm

      Possibly, though the Cards gave away some games early while Rosenthal was closing. That does make a lot of sense though.

  28. alleykat69 said, on September 15, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    Let’s work on the Bochy drawl a little harder Zumie,
    Weelll weeee battled hard( exasperated face) I reallllly felt my matchup with Andrianza batting from the left side, you knowwww with the bases loaded against well I believe it was even a left handed pitcher, butttt hey it seemed better then giving this green kid Willie Mays a shot cause he’s only shown flashes of power while Ehire is wellll a real battler that will maybe foul off a few and really stretch out that pitch count!!

  29. Cardinal70 said, on September 15, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    Just a little FYI: Trevor Rosenthal is active and in the bullpen tonight. And Alex Reyes will go Sunday instead of Jamie Garcia.

  30. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    Zum, dude, I thought I was the Flapper most Po’d At ol’ Boch, but you have me beat. Totally agree with your POV on him. Span has done zip for 3 weeks to still get starts, it’s just nonsense he’s in there, even in the 8 hole. Williamson better be hurt, because if he’s ok it makes no sense that he’s scrubbing toilets in the clubhouse instead of playing at least once in a while. I’m just done with Bochy thus second half. He’s managed this tailspin like a combination of a programmed robot and Earl Weaver waiting for the three run Godot-homer that never happens…

  31. Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Bochy’s managing in the second half of this season is indefensible on any level. Not even Twin would be defending him. At least I don’t think Twin would defend him. Twin wouldn’t defend him, would he?

    • gianthead said, on September 15, 2016 at 6:36 pm

      I don’t think there is a question there…of course he would…

      • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 6:43 pm

        I think he would, too…

    • Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:01 pm

      yeah, I guess that’s true. I suspect the sparks would fly if Twinner came back and tried to defend Bochy’s managing this year.

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:44 pm

      When you compare him to what we have come to expect, he had an off year. Definitely some questionable calls and sticking with the vets for too long, etc. But he is still better than most of the managers out there. He hasn’t had as negative an impact on our team as the BP or bats, IMO.

  32. gianthead said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    The possibility of Posey moving to 1b next year or even the year after that is as likely as us trading Posey or Belt…which brings up an interesting debate point for Daniel.

    I’ve argued we should at least see what the market would offer for Posey in the off-season. As a neutral observer Daniel, what do you think Posey’s market value would be. I have argued he would bring 4-5 prospects, including 2 top tier hitting ones (which we simply do the have in our farm system) and one potential #4-5 starter.

    Also, I think Belt’s market value is pretty slim. What say you Daniel on both of our potential trade chips?

  33. gianthead said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    Any Blair Witch fans out there? Only reason I bring it up, the site of the story is Burkettsville, MD is about 20 miles from home base. I drove through the town on way back from a golf outing and there are some creepy abandoned farm houses near the town and the town itself has a spooky vibe to it…more GHead trivia for Flav…

  34. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    I’d like to see Bochy give one post-game like Mora: “”Playoffs? Don’t talk about—playoffs?! You kidding me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!”…

  35. gianthead said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    We strike first!!!

  36. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    HunterR!

  37. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    I’d like to backspin Krukow out of the fuckin’ broadcast booth…

  38. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Who’s this announcer doing the game with Kruk?

    • Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      greg papa.

      • Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:40 pm

        Thanks, I have the volume low, but I recognize him now.

  39. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    Span’s hot/cold comparison looks like a map of Democrat-heavy states.

  40. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Typical shit…
    (The inning, not Mac’s great comment)

  41. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    Span the Man per Usual.

  42. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    Does Cepeda sleep with that fuckin’ hat?

  43. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    Intentionally walking Span?
    Metheny has a great sense of humor!

  44. Flavor said, on September 15, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    I’m starting to see why Cardinal fans have a beef with Matheny.

  45. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    7-1 Soot-backs for those who still believe…

  46. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    Hilarious!

  47. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    Molina’s not wrong. Terrible call by the HP ump…

  48. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    4-for-51!

    • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:05 pm

      He’s officially better than Ron Herbel…

  49. sandog said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    Span the Man!

  50. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    Graybeard!

  51. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Only suggested batting him 8th about 3 months ago…

    • zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:33 pm

      I hope he stays there.

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:45 pm

      LMAO…yes you did. Probably before when Blade and I visited you boys…good call. Bochy finally listened to you!

      • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:52 pm

        Just to take some pressure off him – it made sense…

  52. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    Now will Bochy leave him there?

  53. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    For the remainder of the regular season, Tomlinson should be in a regular platoon with Panik.

    • zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:43 pm

      That might be Bochy’s plan anyway.

  54. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    If things ended today as they are now, would Cueto be considered “the staff ace” going into next year?

  55. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Why isn’t Miller doing the broadcast tonight?…

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:49 pm

      Dunno. But I’m good with Papa for a change if it is only for a game here and there.

    • sandog said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      He’s on assignment!

    • snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:51 pm

      Giants won, so bring Papa back…

  56. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    Craw!

  57. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    Bullpen no problem tonight…

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:50 pm

      lulz…

  58. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    Ballgame! Johnny C with a masterpiece!

    • zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:51 pm

  59. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    So, whiyinhell do the Giants semi-rake against a guy like Wainwright, and can’t do shit against a stiff like Paul Clemens?…

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:52 pm

      I was going to ask the same damned question, snarkk. Fucking mind-boggling…

    • zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:55 pm

      They’ve seen Wainwright before. That’s the way the Giants roll.

  60. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    That’s one way to keep the ‘pen from blowing it.

    • djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:00 pm

      It might be the only way…

  61. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    And look! Our boys scored some fucking runs tonight. What a concept. Maybe they can do it again, and again, and…

  62. Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    And the Cubs back into the division title.

    • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 9:57 pm

      I think the Giants are probably the last team the cubbies want to face in the post season.

      • Macdog said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:01 pm

        The Mets might be another one.

      • chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:04 pm

        Mac – I work with a guy who is a huge cubbie fan. I mentioned that the cubs probably do not want to see the Giants. He says, yeah, we don’t want to see any team (recent years have obviously taken their toll on this boy).

  63. chipower9 said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    This is crazy, but why the fuck not…

    I know almost all here have bagged on the team lately, (and they have deserved it), and I have been as vocal as any. But I think we forget that this team kicked some serious ass in the first half. So why the fuck should this team not rip off a nice little win streak. Hey, they started sucking suddenly after the break, who is to say they cannot turn it around on a dime, here.

    G’night girls…

    Make it an awesome Friday, Flappers. Gail and I see the Avett Brothers tomorrow…outdoor arena in Rocklin’ (Thunder Valley Casino). Nice venue…should be a kick-ass show!

  64. djloo27 said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    Cueto getting out of some jams was huge.
    Scoring runs and keeping the bullpen out of the game are the keys to victory for this crew.

  65. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    Had a great time with Micah and his buddy before the game and a great time the park. Much hilarity. one f such was a huge Catds fan. He was of the mind that Metheny was still golden at this point. Not quite sure about hat, but Pence’s jack got the nightbrolling.

  66. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    And yes I in fucking sweaty Bart train right now.

  67. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    Don’t sleep through your stop, Chuck, and end up in Pittsburg. How was the vibe in the park tonite?…

    • unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:58 pm

      It was about a 35,000 fan sellout. But it was rocking in the bleachers. My friends from work brought in the Jameson’s so we had a few Irish coffees to stay warm.

      • snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:06 pm

        Sláinte !…

  68. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    Since.I got 45 mins to kill here under the tube, micah, your friend was too funny with his Bochy impersonations. “Yeah, uh, the’re out there grinding every night. Uh, yeah, it’s a long season and you have to keep grinding……”

  69. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    If the starters could pitch 6 or 7 complete games in a row Like Cueto did tonight, the Giants would have a good shot at winning some games…

  70. snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    Cuteo line:
    9 IP; 5 hits; 2 earns; 1 BB, 7Ks; current ERA 2.86…

  71. unca_chuck said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:13 pm
    • snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:23 pm

      Ginger Baker was a great drummer, but a major prick…

  72. zumiee said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    The last time the Cubs won the World Series, Theodore Roosevelt was nearing the end of his presidency. World War I was still 6 years away in the future. The 19th Amendment, guaranteeing a woman’s right to vote, was still 12 years away in the future.

    • snarkk said, on September 15, 2016 at 11:28 pm

      And the SF Giants would not win their first WSeries until 102 years hence…


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