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Bombs By The Wayside

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 10, 2017

This isn’t really news anymore but I still marvel at how disrespected the home run has become. Between Chris Carter and Mark Trumbo they banged out 88 of those bad boys last year. That hard work got them a 1 year deal ($3 mil for Carter) and a 3 year deal (37 mil for Trumbo). I happen to still sit squarely in the camp that continues to respect the long ball.

Who’s gonna lead the Giants in HR’s this year? Belt? Posey? Will either hit 20?

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  1. unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 7:20 am

    Belt finally has his breakout year and bangs 26.

  2. Lurker John said, on February 10, 2017 at 7:27 am

    I don’t have much confidence in any of the current Giants hitting 20 these days. But, if Pence can stay healthy, I think he’ll do it.

  3. blade3colorado said, on February 10, 2017 at 7:41 am

    What LJ said. Regardless, I think our chances for a playoff spot has more to do with pitching, OBP/OPS, and defense . . . Worried most about our defense, especially in outfield and 3rd.

  4. willedav said, on February 10, 2017 at 8:01 am

    Guys like Mays and Aaron could blast 40 HRs and still hit .300. These 2 Springer and Trumbo can’t hit worth an F. They are black holes in middle of LU with their .240 avg and poor judge of K zone/low OB.
    This has nothing to do with value of HR, but FOs having enough sense to recognize crummy hitters when they see them.
    Wilco saw Springer in Houston, like to hear his take.
    Blade has pretty good take too, so many other things more important to Giants success than bombs.

  5. unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 8:18 am

    Yeah, the do or die approach more often than not leaves guys stranded. The conga line approach has its holes as well, but we have done pretty well with that style. We just need to stay healthy this season.

    My problem is was and will be LF. We are still thin as newspaper on the bench, and injuries to the OF will likely sink us. Pence needs a full year of solid production. Span? Who knows? And those two are the good ones. LF is a crapshoot of hoping Mac or Murph stick.

  6. Flavor said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:38 am

    If you have a LU full of Trumbo’s I agree that’s not the way to go. but having ONE guy who can and will hit a 3 run bomb? I will work that into the LU every damn chance I get.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:44 am

      That’s why we are bringing back Mike Morse . . .

      I kid, I kid.

  7. Flavor said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:57 am

    • sandog said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:22 am

      What a great pic. I used to have a pair of Puma cleats like the ones Willie Mac is rocking.

    • snarkk said, on February 10, 2017 at 6:22 pm

      That’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout.
      I miss it…

  8. Macdog said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:53 am

    Part of a Pav tweet says Pence “had minor tweak during offseason workouts.” Wonder what the hell this is?

    • Bozo said, on February 10, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      I was just wondering who would be the player coming into ST with the “new workout regime” or “best shape of his life” storyline…

      • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 1:10 pm


      • Bozo said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:29 pm

        Good call, I was thinking it would be one of the OF guys, but Cain makes the most sense.

  9. blade3colorado said, on February 10, 2017 at 11:16 am

    Obi-Wan-Chuckles, do you agree with this statement (comment from a sports writer)? Especially the last sentence where it refers to both of them as “top-level guys.” Me? To the best of my knowledge, Lynch has never even been in a front office, much less been a GM. Shanahan has never been a head coach and his recent melt down during the Super Bowl gives me pause.

    “Shanahan and new 49ers general manager John Lynch both inked six-year contracts on Wednesday. They are now the brains behind the scenes in San Francisco, a tandem the 49ers hope rebuilds the once proud franchise. The simple fact that both received uncharacteristic six-year deals suggests San Francisco’s brass is preparing for a long-term rebuild.

    It’s also a clear indication that Jed York and Co. had to offer more stability in order to bring on top-level guys after going through three head coaches in as many years.”

    • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 1:07 pm

      Bade, the position the Niners were in, they pretty much were forced to go with newbies at the respective spots.

      For the head coach spot, i really think worked in their favor. Kelly was a retread that fucked his way out of Philly. The only guys I’ve really wanted these past couple years were Adam Gase and Shanahan. I didn’t want McDaniels, and the other hires this yer are all fliers or inside guys. Marrone? Anthony Lynn? Steve McVay? None have any HC experience. Shanahan has the fact that he has directed high-flying offenses at all his stops. Washington, Cleveland, and Atlanta, so he’s a proven offensive guy. Something this team DESPERATELY needs.

      John Lynch is a HUGE shot in the dark. But maybe not as big a risk as one would think. This hire brings to mind 2 players who went from the field to the front office. Matt Millen and John Elway. One was an abject disaster, and one was a huge success. Ozzie Newsome also fall into this category, but he was in the Browns front office system for a number of years before becoming GM.

      Milen is more like Iron Mike Singletary. A supreme player who couldn’t harness his football skills to translate into the coaching arena. Millen was the same. Great player, but in way over his head. The fact they kept him on for so long was ludicrous. He held that franchise back for 10 years.

      Lynch? Well, like Elway, he went to Stanford so there’s hope he’s more than just a football player. He brings a near Hall of Fame career with him, and league-wide respect as a football player. He’s saying the right things about needing help and leaning on Shanahan and others for picking up the nuances of the job. He’s also got a big asset in Adam Peters, the head scout and talent evaluator for both NE and Denver for the past 10 years.

      They still have a lot of hiring to do (like DC, ]OC if they decide to get one] and all the other sub-coaches. But as of now, I think the team is headed in the right direction.

      Beyond that, they have 12 draft picks and $100 million in cap space, so they have the very likely possibility oif becoming relevant very quickly.

      And I think the fact they both got 6 year deals says something about how the front office feels. One would hope Jed understands that he can’t keep fucking around with the whisper campaigns and the backstabbing. Jed had the upper hand over Baalke, Jimmy Bag-o-Donuts, and Kelly. He doesn’t have shit on Lynch or Shanahan.

      Which is why I’m more happy with the fact that both these guys are outsiders more than anything else.

      Damn. Sorry for the novel . . .

      • blade3colorado said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:16 pm

        Are you kidding? You gave me more pertinent (honest) information than I would ever get from ESPN, Chronicle, and/or Mercury. Plus, it’s from someone who has followed the team religiously since the late 60s. Nice job!

        Personally, I like Lynch . . . and that’s saying something, considering I hate the Broncos. Not only a great player, but also a stand up guy, who always took responsibility for his screw ups (few and far between as a player) and gave the media insightful, intelligent answers to their questions.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:30 pm

        Almost forgot . . . I know nothing about Shanahan Jr., but his father was a rat (hence his nick name – even around here – rat face). He always took joy in badmouthing Dan Reeves and Al Davis, both directly and indirectly. Both him and Elway back stabbed Reeves to get him fired and Shanahan the job. Personally, I thought he was often childish.

        Dude also took a gazillion dollars out of the Broncos organization and basically delivered shit the last 3 years with the team. Shanahan finally was fired after the Broncos failed to make the playoffs in 2008, a season where the Broncos had spent most of the season well ahead of their division. Makes sense, since concurrent with this period of time, he was building a “monument” to himself, i.e., a multi-million dollar home (some say is the most expensive house in Cherry Creek – a ritzy Denver subdivision).

        Anyway, I have no idea if Jr. is anything like his father, but you know the saying about the apple not falling far from the tree . . .

      • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 8:33 pm

        Thanks, Steve. The thing about Shanahan is he seems to do a very good job with the players he has. In Texas he turned Schaub into the top rated passer in 2008. In Washington he turned them into a top 5 offense in short order, with RG III. His success in Atl is pretty well documented.

        He’s stubborn as he keeps saying he called the game the way he wanted to, but we’ll see about that going forward. He does have a history here having hung out with the players when he was a kid and his dad was the OC.

        I haven’t heard nearly the negative shit that his father garnered. Then again, Sr. was a head coach all over the place and made a shitload of enemies. Up to and including Al Davis.

        Mike Shanahan famously told Elvis Grbac, when the Niners played the Raiders the year after Al Davis fired him, and they were all on the field together, to throw a ball as hard as he could at Davis. Al Davis saw it and moved out of the way just in time before getting pegged, and Shanahan laughed his ass off. Davis was furious.

        Just saw Kyle’s presser, and he comes across humble and straightforward.

  10. alleykat69 said, on February 10, 2017 at 11:57 am

    OOO goes off in Minnesota for 20 bombs!
    Stix…in disbelief just shakes his head..,

  11. Macdog said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    Updated tweet from Pav: Pence said he’s fine, had minor tweak on side (not the same oblique) but should be ready for full spring.

    • Bozo said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:26 pm

      When I read the first tweet I read it wrong, I thought it was saying Pence had tweaked his workout…

      • Macdog said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:35 pm

        Yeah, I wasn’t sure how to interpret it either.

  12. alleykat69 said, on February 10, 2017 at 2:56 pm

    What did he do tweak it on coffee & dancing?

  13. zumiee said, on February 10, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    “I was just wondering who would be the player coming into ST with the “new workout regime” or “best shape of his life” storyline…”

    Span will be one of them.

    • alleykat69 said, on February 10, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      I’ll go Panda 🐼 are Bartolo Colon .. oh you wanted a Giant?

  14. djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    I would love to see Timmy in the Giants broadcast booth someday. He’s got a great voice.
    Sounds a little like Axl Rose…

  15. blade3colorado said, on February 10, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    Pence isn’t 21 anymore and his penchant for doing everything 110% is wearing thin. This sounds similar to his “Hot Yoga” experience with Melancon back in December, where he participated in hot yoga, or Bikram yoga – a special type of yoga that typically involves 90 minutes of exercise in a 105-degree room with 40 percent humidity. Proponents of hot yoga believe it greatly improves flexibility, strength, and muscle tone. Maybe.

    However, in Pence’s case, he was so exhausted after about five or 10 minutes, Melancon took a peek over at Pence, and he looked like he’s about to die. He’s drenched in sweat and was struggling. Pence made it through the class, but getting out of the parking lot was a different story, as he was so out of it, that he backed his car into the front bumper of another car (bumper fell off of this car).

    Pence needs to stick to baseball related workouts and chill on the intensity of same.

  16. djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    Not everyone dug Curry’s remarks:


  17. unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    So, he’s uppity, DJ? The sportswriter certainly has the right to feel that way but to say that Currys a jerk because Trump is going to ‘save’ Baltimore is ludicrous.

    • djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      No, he’s just another idiot athlete/entertainer who should shut the fuck up and stick to what they know (like I do)…

      • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 8:35 pm

        Did you read what Curry said? Of course not. Maybe you should shut it.

      • djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:07 pm

        So it’s wrong to call Curry a jerk, but it’s OK to call the President an ass?
        Curry is a billionaire who knows how to throw a ball through a hoop from 30 feet away.
        I bet he doesn’t even know who Earl Lloyd was…

      • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:27 pm

        Curry speaks complete sentences and has a valid reason for questioning his boss. The guy who wrote the article didn’t talk to Curry nor understand his point of view. He’s talking shit about something he didn’t do any work on.

        Curry is certainly smarter than Trump. The guy is dumber than a fucking stump.

    • djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 5:57 pm

      • Flavor said, on February 10, 2017 at 6:30 pm

        lol, that is hilarious.

  18. Flavor said, on February 10, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    I didn’t read that article but I think it’s fair to assume that Curry doesn’t give a fuck about Under Armour and probably wants out of the shit deal he has with them. If they cut him loose, Nike will probably give him 200 mil

  19. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 10, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    I’m with Craig about homeruns. Don’t need to build the team around it (that never quite worked in the Bonds era) but do need to be able to smack one now and then. Just having the threat of a few hitters sprinkled in the lineup who can hit one out affects an opposing pitcher’s approach to going thru the lineup. In 2010, the HR seemed to figure prominently. Just thinking of moments like Renteria, Ishi, Gillaspie, et al winning those games with the long ball, yeah, that’s what I want more of. Weaver’s “pitching, defense, and the 3-run homerun” still rules, IMO. This team about to open ST does not fit that bill at the moment.

  20. snarkk said, on February 10, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    On paper at moment, this team is a WC team at best. Good starters, a plus infield, but questionable pen, and an achilles heel OF that’s one injury away from crap. Seems like the OF is always a weak spot that the Giants can’t seem to bolster to an above average level…

  21. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 10, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    Yeah, as many Flappers have said here, if the plan really is to rely completely on Pence, Span, and who knows who, then that’s going to backfire; and as many Flappers have also said, not to worry, there’s always the trade deadline. We shall see. But seriously, if the team just isn’t able to develop its own stellar OFers, there certainly are plenty others out there. I guess considering my above post about me wanting more HRs, I’d lean toward Parker getting the best shot in LF, as he seems to have the most potential for power. But really, here we are almost at spring training and we’re still saying the OF and ‘pen are NOT complete yet…

  22. djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    Very rare these days that anyone wins a job in ST. And when they do, they usually just sit on the bench, fail in their limited opportunities and get sent down.

    • xoot said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:04 pm

      Joaquin Arias came close in 2012. He got called up real quick.

      • djloo27 said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:28 pm

        I remember Eugenio having a huge Spring and I think he made the club because of it.
        Probably didn’t turn out too well – not really sure how much playing time that got him.
        Did Belt “win” the 1B job in Spring 2011? Or was it basically handed to him?
        I don’t exactly remember how that went down.
        I stick to what I know: San Francisco Giant eyebrows of the 1970’s

    • willedav said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:08 pm

      Didn’t Hacktor do the same thing, open some eyes with a good spring? Guy was a washout as a pro, occasional pop but otherwise below avg. skills as hitter or defensively.

  23. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    Hey, question for all you parents of students (middle school, high school, even uni) — in the US, has there been a big movement away from books and paper? You know, all “green” and high tech, online learning, etc, in the public schools? Or are books and hard copy still the norm? Thanks in advance of any input.

    • xoot said, on February 10, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      I spent a shit load of cash buying hard copy texts for my older son (univ class of 2014). Frigging antitrust conspiracy, if you ask me. But online stuff was taking over. So he needed a top of the line MacBook.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:15 pm

      No. Books are the biggest scam since the feds let banks set student loan rates. Can you say bend over?

      $140 a book is the norm.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:30 pm

      Wow, really? So, public high schools in the US are getting rid of books? Totally e-learning? Or is it that you just don’t like paying for the books? ………………

      • snarkk said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:44 pm

        My snarkkettes’ high school — there are no books to buy, they are supplied and used to varying extent depending on the class. There are frequently online support sites connected or not connected to the books that the teachers use to direct kids to supplement the lessons and homework. Voluntarily. I would be surprised if any public school K-12 anywhere requires purchase of books. In middle school (6-8 grade), each snarkette took ALL classes in an optional laptop program. The lessons and books were directly supported by related websites that had homework help, lesson explanation, and even online labs and simulations, or “gizmos”. Every class had an online feature, often the completed homework was submitted to the teacher’s Web box. Anyone could join the laptop program, the school would provide the laptop if you could prove you couldn’t afford one. All Mac based, so the kids used MacBooks (later, the less costly iPad if provided by school). Each snarkette, now in high school, is a blazing wizardess with Apple products (and obviously a future customer)…

  24. willedav said, on February 10, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    Trumbo had his best season ever last year–47 bombs 25 at home 22 on road 120 OPS+. Imo the primary reason for this is park factor of playing in band box Camden, plus additional good hitting parks in the division such as Fenway Yankee Stadium and Toronto. F/G had a column that denoted how little value he actually provided despite all the bombs, an almost historic low.
    Nothing like those yards exists in NL West. The likelihood he does that in SF is slim and none.

    The only season(s) he spent in NL with AZ—he hit combined 22 HRs in over 500 ABs btw 2014 and 2015.

    I think this is far more representative of what he would do in Giants uni, not 2016.

    And bottom line despite all the bombs, Belt had a better year at the plate (!), higher BA OPS and OPS+. He is simply a better hitter and more valuable player regardless of difference in HR totals.

  25. zumiee said, on February 10, 2017 at 11:32 pm

    The big trend in education is to go tech devices and paperless. I don’t know when it will be totally paperless, but that’s the direction it’s heading.

  26. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 11, 2017 at 1:32 am

    Thanks for all your comments on books vs. e-learning, appreciate it….

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