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Cain Pitching Better Than Nunie Running to First Base

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 19, 2017

The Matt Cain Support Group will be meeting today at 10am sharp. I will be attending without shame. I hope to see other Flappers in attendance. I will also assume whatever position Kruk tells me to get into during his spot this morning on KNBR. How many years will Kruk say Cain can still pitch? I will set the over/under right now at 5.5.

Here is an interesting post from last night:

snarkk said, on April 18, 2017 at 9:48 pm (Edit)

Anybody notice this from Schulman’s twitter? WTF?
“Nuñez is not running hard on some groundballs. If this is caution due to an injury we don’t know about, fine. If not … #SFGiants”…

Now, I did NOT notice this because that pussy shirt-crumbed fuck blocked me last season for reminding him to do his job at least at replacement level. Does Schulman cover the NY Rangers? Cause he’d fit right in.

But I HAVE noticed this. At least 3 times now. Nunie is not running out ground balls. This is not one of the great and all-knowing and all-powerful powers that I bestowed upon him. He needs to tighten that shit up or fess up to being injured.

And I don’t think he’s injured……

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  1. Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:27 am

    Here’s an exchange at TNT from the game last night presented without comment:

    Kenny: CHI is a terrible 3 pt shooting team!! What did they shoot tonight?

    Shaq: 40%

    Barkley: No! [noises] They were 10 for 25

  2. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:52 am

    It’s being reported that Aaron Hernandez hanged himself.

    • chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:40 am

      Hate to sound callous, but IMO, he was a POS. One less fuckwad that the taxpayers have to feed and house. Good riddance.

  3. chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:47 am

    When you are scuffling the way our boys have, ANY win is good. Nice to see some crisp pitching, and while Melancon had to throw like 127 pitches, he eventually got the damned job done.

    And I will keep reminding you guys…Joe Panik is a fucking ballplayer.

    Cain now with the lowest ERA of the starters, but second highest WHIP. But WTF…the way he has pitched of late, for a 5th starter…I will take that shit all day every day and twice on Sundays.

    Let’s go MadBum!

    Love snarkk’s idea of having Bum come in from the CF gate…

  4. chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:49 am

    Sharks close out a laugher 7-zip last night. Now Los Tiburones need to go up to Edmonton and steal another tomorrow night.

  5. blade3colorado said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:54 am

    Aaron Hernandez out with a neck injury. Doubtful for next game.

    • gianthead said, on April 19, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      That deserves a laugh

  6. willedav said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:39 am

    Nunez 2 for his last 17, OPS down to .675 ish. Interesting enough, his 2 doubles are his only XBHs so far.
    0 triples? what’s up with that? slugs like Belt and Craw had double figures last year.

    Said this before, if he doesn’t hit, Giants have a lot of other ways to go at 3b that would provide more pop. He is in walk year too, per contract. Don’t think Nunez is a “walk off the island” type of hitter.

    • chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:41 am

      Walk year or not, and regardless of the numbers he puts up (or not), I truly think he is gone at the end of the year. He would be OK as a utility guy, but I just don’t see him as starting material.

  7. willedav said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:45 am

    Chi is right Cain at 3.31 has best ERA of starting 5 after 3 times through the rotation, despite 1.40 WHIP and 4.4 walks a game. go figure, but props to the Horse.
    Like that scene out of Monty Python, “I’m not quite dead yet. Actually…”
    somewhere Delmar D is smiling.
    And hopefully Bum wipes these guys out and lowers his ERA from 3.43 to staff leading numbers.

    • chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:45 am

      Yep…Shark only starter with a higher WHIP. Bum’s WHIP a tidy 1.00. Cueto: 3.79/1.21, Moore: 4.26/1.37, Shark: 6.16/1.42 (ouch).

  8. willedav said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:44 am

    speaking of Stephen stills, some fwiw from nl:
    Rox hit 3 bombs off Ryu last night, whose ERA is 5.87. Maeda got lit up last time out too and Hill is on DL for second time already. Opie and nothing, imo.
    Pads got hammered by AZ and wiped out by Shelby Miller 11-2. 5th straight L, back to cellar. Talked to my godson’s mom sunday. He was at opening day and told her “Hey we’re gonna be good.” Um, no.
    Cutch did play CF for Pirates yesterday. 2 for 4 batting .268.
    wotus did have a comment about bochy being forced to listen to affeldt too, on mercsite.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:45 am

    Just another W for Cain on his way to comeback player of the year. Plus, Kruk said this morning that he’s turned the corner. His transformation is complete.

    • chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:47 am

      Cain’s transformation is complete, and we just put humans on Mars…

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:50 am

        Don’t be a doomer, chi. Cain’s our new #3!

      • chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:45 am

        LOL…I am probably one of the biggest PollyAnnas (optimists) on the site. I hope Cain makes me eat my words, as I was one of many during ST that said he was DONE. He is proving, so far, to be quite the serviceable 5th starter.

  10. snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:57 am

    If Schulman doesn’t know whether Nunie is injured, isn’t it Schulman’s job to find out if he is?…

    • Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:08 am

      that was just some passive aggressive bullshit from a crumbly shirt fuck.

  11. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:00 am

    “speaking of Stephen stills, some fwiw from nl”

    Ha! Nicely done! 🙂

  12. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:03 am

    Like all #5 starters, Cain has to rely on at’em balls and 409-foot outs. And he got those yesterday, so good for him and good for all of us. But he’s also going to get horrendously shelled sometimes. But as several have said: for a #5 starter, that’s acceptable.

  13. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:46 am

    At what point do they get Old Man Span out of the lead off spot? Jesus fucking Christ. Nooner should have been there since they got him.

  14. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:47 am

    Aaron Hernandez may be dead, but Dallas is looking to sign him . . .

    • Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:06 am

      Hahaha

  15. Bozo said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:51 am

    Matt, Matt, he’s our man! If he can’t do it, no one Cain.

    Putting last place in the West into the rearview mirror.

  16. Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:05 am

    Schulman tweeted link to Spanish-language article in elvocero.com that says Pagan will sit out season. “Pagan says decision was not just his, but his family’s. He had offers to play, but none lucrative enough to pull him away from home.”

    • Irish Kevin said, on April 19, 2017 at 12:10 pm

      I heard he won’t take a minor league deal.

  17. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:17 am

    It’s not our fathers’ Rockies and D-Backs this year. They seem to be for real. The Rockies’ bullpen in particular has been almost lights-out so far. Holland had his first glitch last night, but still battled to get the save.
    And all of this ain’t a bad thing, IMO. I’ll stick with the theory that it’s better for the Giants in the division if the D-Backs and Rockies are playing the Dodgers tougher, instead of them being a floor-mat for the Dodgers.

    • Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:25 am

      I’m sticking with Blade’s theory on Colorado until they prove otherwise: over the course of a long season of travel to and from Nepal to sea level games, their bodies will slowly break down, slow down and/or get injured. And Holland would break down with or without all the altitude change.

      • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:38 am

        Could be; but I’ll say this- in several articles the players have said they are very aware of the physical challenges, and are doing conditioning things they think will help them do a better job of combating those challenges. We’ll see how effective (or not) those things are.

  18. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:50 am

    I hope you’re right, Zumie. nothing annoys me more than getting spanked by the DBags and then seeing them lay down like whipped puppies to the Dogs.

  19. chipower9 said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Rox pitching seems to be vastly improved. We shall see how they hold-up over the course of the year. For now, let’s hope Bum and crew bring their A-game and take another from the Royals…

  20. Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    I think the Rox can be a contender, still not sold on the D-Bags. But I’m with Zum, it’s a good thing if they’re no longer laying down like dogs for the Dodgers

  21. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Jenkins must be reading this blog. He just wronte an article about the dearth of drafted OF stars since Chili Dog.

    http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/SanFranciscoChronicle/

  22. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    That link may not work but here’s the list of #1 OF picks since Chili:

    1984: Alan Cockrell, University of Tennessee.

    1989: Steve Hosey, Fresno State.

    1990: Adam Hyzdu, Moeller High School, Cincinnati.

    1994: Dante Powell, Cal State Fullerton.

    2004: Eddy Martinez-Esteve, Florida State (the 29th pick of the second round; didn’t reach the big leagues).

    2005: Ben Copeland, University of Pittsburgh (the Giants didn’t have a pick until the fourth round).

    2010: Gary Brown, Cal State Fullerton. The Giants also got Parker and Adam Duvall, now a power-hitting outfielder for the Reds but drafted and tested as an infielder during his brief time in San Francisco.

    2016: Bryan Reynolds, Vanderbilt. Highly regarded second-round pick off to a quick start (15-for-40) at Class A San Jose.

    Duvall does sting . . .

    • Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      Cockrell is now the Yankees’ hitting coach.

    • snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      Tony Torcato 1998 first round (#19) by Giants…

    • djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      Wasn’t it Dante Powell’s throw from the OF that hit the pitcher’s mound to end a game of the ’97 playoffs against the Marlins? Or maybe end the series?

    • xoot said, on April 19, 2017 at 2:11 pm

      Adam Duvall with .937 OPS through 14 games this year (55 PA).

  23. gianthead said, on April 19, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    Well I have not seen any video but always said if I hit a ground ball right at someone and I have barely left the box..Im not fucking running😁

  24. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    That video-audio bit in your car, Magnus, needs to be put in a vault or space capsule. There’s something utterly Old School about it. You can’t fake it. It’s so raw and real.

  25. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    I’m kind of psyched to see Bumgarner on the hill tonight in KC. He’s got the best attitude, essentially saying, “Means nothing to me. That’s fine and everything, but it’s in the past. It doesn’t affect the job I have to do tonight.”

  26. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    My impression is that Cain’s fastball had a little more life to it last night. He started the season hitting 87 and 88 on his fastball quite a bit. And I noticed a lot of 89s last night. Just that little bit probably gave the pitch a little more movement. And creates a little more speed separation with his breaking stuff.

    • Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:47 pm

      it must have been life, those hitter looked late often. And he was more than 89, he was 91. However, it could also be a case of the hitters not knowing Cain. I doubt any of them had faced him before (though I admit I didn’t check the BvP)

    • Bozo said, on April 19, 2017 at 4:15 pm

      I agree Zum, I also thought the ball had good movement and he was keeping his pitches down for the first 45 – 50 pitches. I wasn’t sure if Cain started bringing the pitches up after that because of the inconsistent calling behind the plate or if that was all he had. Still, damn good game from Matt and the guys behind him.

  27. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    Bill O’Reilly was let go by Fox News. Wow. I never would have believed they would finally pull the plug on that hate-filled blowhard.

    • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:52 pm

      He was losing sponsors in droves because of all the sexual harrasment lawsuits against him.

  28. alleykat69 said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    Zumie….Let’s not give Krukow another boner to work with when you say”Speed Separation”, he will start using that frequently like this:”Well Matt Cain’s “Arm Slot is perfectly in sync with his Speed Separation’which is just over powering batters,as he takes his game to a new level not seen by many top notch pitchers in the game today”!!

    • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 3:59 pm

      Some of the broadcasters talk about “spin rate” now. Oh man. The sport needs more stats. 🙂

      • djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 4:06 pm

        Jim Bouton said baseball is a game that is choked by statistics.
        He said it in 1969…

  29. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    The Rockies’ starting pitcher last night spun one right onto one of Logan Forsythe’s big toes. The first batch of x-rays were “inconclusive.” His Dodger career is getting off to a rough start.

    • Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:19 pm

      From Dodgers beat guy: Dodgers say IF Logan Forsythe has a broken right big toe.

  30. djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    On TV, it looks like there are about 1,500 people at Citifield…

  31. Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    • Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:23 pm

      Now that’s LMAO funny.

  32. Lurker John said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    I’ve been watching the Mariners and Marlins this week wondering why the fuck the Giants can never draft a guy like Christian Yelich. Ever. Pitching is the bomb and largely responsible for the 3 rings, but never? Ever? Plugging a dude of that caliber into LF at AT&T would be sweet. He does it all. What’s wrong with spending the occasional draft pick on a highly rated outfielder?

  33. Lurker John said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    This fucker Vargas has always been tough on the Giants.

  34. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    BART SUCKS!!!

    • djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:54 pm

      SanDog and son became NYC subway veterans in no time…

  35. Lurker John said, on April 19, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    Whatever good things I said yesterday about Affeldt the broadcaster I fully retract today. I’ll forever love him as a Giants, but holy shit dude, STFU.

    • djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:14 pm

      He is unbearably awful…

  36. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    Tom Brady is going to skip the White House visit.
    I like him more now.

    • Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:04 pm

      AP story said more than two dozen Patriots skipped the ceremony.

      • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        Cool!
        It happened already? Today?

      • Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:08 pm

        Yep, it was today.

    • snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      Brady is a buddy of Drumpf.
      He’ll have a private audience…

  37. Lurker John said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    Hill is as bad as the other 3.

    • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      Our leftfield position is an epic wasteland.

  38. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    Bomb dogs all over the Lafayette Bart sration

  39. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    Let’s see how Nunie runs.

  40. Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    Is there even debatable that MadBum would be a better option to bat than Gorkys?

    • snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      No

  41. djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    Gorkys’ AB makes me want to bail on the whole season…

  42. snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    Gorkys now 2-30 for the season.
    Oh for the last 23.
    I don’t care if the guy never misses a fly ball or a line drive (which is not the case); you can’t have an OFer with that feeble production. How can you win enough games for at least a WC spot with this awful OF? Changes needed ASAP…

  43. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    We’ve got an awesome leftfield/centerfield combo going again tonight.

  44. gianthead said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    I did not realize how big of a start Ozuna has had for Miami so far. He was the guy I wanted the Giants to try and nab last year. Looks like he is hitting .345 with 7 homers and 18 rbis so far this year…impressive…0

  45. gianthead said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    That is a serious question about how long this management is going to stick with this ridiculous OF situation…

  46. djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    Great job backing up the play by Gofundme…

  47. James said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    Crawford was over there to cover third, and then moved to back it up.

  48. djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    The Royals still wear the shiny batting helmets.
    I wonder who decides that…

  49. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    Affedlt really isn’t very good, is he? All those kids at Newhouse, like, he’s taking my job.

  50. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    Gorkys Park HAS to be DFAed after this game. Has to.

    • djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:53 pm

      I hope so. It’s time to throw anybody out there…Belt, Nunie, Morse.
      ANYBODY.

  51. James said, on April 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    Fleming is enabling him.

  52. James said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    The Royals really are incredibly dimwitted.

  53. djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    The all-loafing Nunie…

  54. wilcojoe said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    Bochy just had his 3rd heart procedure (that we know of, who knows how many he has had in the offseasons) and he is sitting at home watching this shit. I truely wish for his and his family’s sake that he doesn’t come back. If he has to come back and manage this club, I fear he won’t live to see the HOF.

  55. Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    Arroyo just hit another bomb. His hitting combined with us somehow compiling the worst outfield in the history of modern baseball will probably force the issue of his call up soon

  56. Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    gofundme is about to hit 40K (I check once a day)

    • James said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:27 pm

      Pretty soon they may be able to afford to go the Ted Williams route.

  57. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    I’d take Bowker in LF. Aubrey Huff.

  58. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    fuckoff, Span-iard.

  59. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    I want Lorenzo Cain.

  60. Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Ban the Span.

  61. Lurker John said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Anemic offense may push Bum to 0-3. Didn’t see that coming.

  62. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    This game is only being saved for me by some sundried tomato and basil flavored Wheat Thins.

    • Lurker John said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:34 pm

      Hey, those things rock.

      • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:35 pm

        I agree!

    • pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:35 pm

      put them in left

      • zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:37 pm

        🙂

  63. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    I mean, do Evans / Sabean / Bochy need a clearer lesson that spring training proves nothing — at least with has-been hitters? Y’all are right. We blew it in the offseason. Hill? Marrero? Hernandez? Dreadful.

  64. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    zzzzzzžžžž

  65. pawliekokonuts said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    This team looks flat, old, colorless, listless, drab, rudderless, banal, and unwatchable. Aside from that, they’re great.

    • djloo27 said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:22 pm

      You just described my family…

  66. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    Survived Bart. Helicopters circling the walnut creek station. Don/ know WTF was going on…

    KD out for the Dubs tonight. Barnes and Livingston as well. The team is thin …

    • alleykat69 said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm

      Sure they were circling to try and locate a Leftfielder to help this pathetic team Chuck..

  67. James said, on April 19, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    Other than Hundley, the entire bench, which includes LF, has been awful. The best/core players on the team — Posey, Crawford, Belt, Panik, Pence – have actually been ok.

    • Flavor said, on April 19, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      ok ain’t gonna get er done.

      • James said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:00 pm

        That was a bit of an understatement. I’d take the collective numbers those 5 have put up, projected over a whole season. They can’t do it with non-existent production from the supporting cast.

  68. Macdog said, on April 19, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    Warriors sure cranked it up in the 3rd quarter.

  69. snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    The more I think about this OF situation, the more I get Pissed Off. Just about everybody here in the offseason was talking that SF had to get better in the OF. They didn’t. And, what we saw as probable, is happening. The OF is a disaster. The Dubs are crushing Portland right now by 30, without KD and without Livingston and without Barnes. In their offseason, the Dubs didn’t stop at being awesome, they wanted to dominate, and got KD. Giants? They got Melancon, and left the OF alone, even though everybody paying attention knew it sucked without a real upgrade. WTF is going on with Giants management?…

  70. zumiee said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    Bumgarner gave up 1 run and lost; Kershaw gave up 2 runs and won.

  71. snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    As for Bochy. 3 heart procedures in the space of 2 1/2 seasons — can’t be good. Regardless of what happens this season, I’m for this season being the last for Bochy. He’s lost a step, for sure. He’s got nothing more to prove. Kick him upstairs to consultant status, and give the job to Nevin, Wotus or Decker to take the team into the future…

  72. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    Yeah, Tom, I’m kinda feeling the same about the front office. Not really pissed off, because in the scheme of things in life, it’s not worth it, but definitely disappointed and maybe even somewhat disgusted. Watching a boring dead-ass team that you love is only slightly more enjoyable than watching a team that flat-out sucks. They don’t flat-out suck. But they are flat-out dead-ass. Maybe I’m disappointed enough to not waste my time anymore paying as much undying attention to this team until the FO actually does something. Or, at least until tomorrow when Cueto is pitching another gem of a game, love watching that guy throw… 🙂

    • snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 10:44 pm

      Yeah, Paul. Cueto is fun. He’s Marichal, redux, to some extent. Lots of moves, lots of pitches, changes speeds, just a cool cat…

  73. unca_chuck said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:17 pm

    Yeah, I thought Span was all healed up and ready to roll. Roll over . . .

    Not angry, just disappointed.

    Makes it easier to watch the Warriors tho.

    Bummie has had 5 runs of support in 4 games, and he has 2 of the RBIs.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:23 pm

      THAT is pathetic. Even calm cool and collected (haha) MadBum must be getting a bit tired of it….

  74. snarkk said, on April 19, 2017 at 11:39 pm

    Arroyo tonight:
    3 hits, 3 RBI, now hitting .468 …


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