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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 25, 2017

Yikes. 11 games out? Swear to God, today was the first time I’ve checked to see how many games out we are. Not good, but not impossible, especially since it’s still May. Surprisingly, I don’t see our ragged relief core as the main problem. Their collective ERA of 3.97/WHIP of 1.39 is right there with our SP’s ERA of 4.57 and WHIP of 1.30. Imagine if we had Romo and Casilla still on the team. You add their ERA together, you get 12.30 and anyone who misses them….come on, you don’t really miss them.

The next month is going to be all about Cueto, Melancon and our outfielders. Our place in the NL west will be determined by the health and success of those guys……

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  1. Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:39 am

    @knbrmurph and @pcon34 are confirming that Bruce Bochy did indeed shatter his phone throwing it after the loss yesterday in Chicago.

  2. alleykat69 said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:49 am

    I just cursed a lot by I was ready to punch an old tv 📺 it’s better then a new one!
    Ump really stunk all night, he was consistently bad for both teams those so you just have to hack even if it’s a foot in front of the plate..

  3. willedav said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:51 am

    I think Bochy behind closed doors is a lot different than the face the public sees. I think he’s encouraged by what SF has done vs. good teams but playing just well enough to get beat is irritating.

    Okert and Kontos that screwed up yesterday, along with other set up guys, have to figure it out. Melancon I think is fine and just needs more chances for a save and W.

    I contrast Dodgers kids and bench–Bellinger kid is in LU most everyday somewhere and is hitting .284 with power and a .600 slugging pct. The Taylor kid that killed us before is hitting .326 with .560 slugging. the Toles kid they were starting in OF was doing OK too til he got hurt. Instead they’ve plugged in these 2 to fill holes.

    Giants have to get all the dead weight off the bench and get way more out of reserves. Figure out who can really help going forward and plug them in and those that are puro scrubini have to be let go.

  4. alleykat69 said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:06 am

    Couldn’t agree more about are reserves Willied! Wasted bunch of non production.
    And wtf do you pull the whipping boy out of the game and put Morse in at 1st?If they did so how tie it up to possibly go extras you really want him over there?

  5. willedav said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:17 am

    Sac report: Specs (leading off and playing CF) with second consecutive 3 hit game
    Slater and Hwang 4 hits/5 rbis btw them triple for Hwang hitting with more power this month

    Shaw kid promoted to play some LF, Hwang might get more time at 1b.
    Once homestand starts look for roster moves to add Hill and Gameface at least…see who goes.

    I hope Mac stays. AB yesterday vs. elite closer like Davis shows me he has potential with power to both sides of field. I think he can be part of the solution, as opposed to lot of guys they’ve used so far in OF.

    • xoot said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:30 am

      That ab was terrific. Davis dominated him to get the first two strikes and then Mac adjusted and battled beautifully. Taking a nearly perfect knee high outside corner pitch into the oppo bleachers was a helluva graduation ceremony, wind assist notwithstanding. I knew the guy was strong, I didn’t know he smart too

  6. mrsprtdude said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:44 am

    114 games left. If we win 2/3 in every series the rest of the way SF win 95 games. So if you assume a few 4 game series the we split ( assuming a win today)… The boys have there work cut out for them. 90 wins usually is WC close. 92 wins safer. If they compete like the last 2 weeks it will still be a fun season.

    • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:49 am

      .500 is a pipe dream…

      • chipower9 said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:57 am

        Doom-Da-Doom Doom…

        Beat that drum, Loo!

        I am putting this shit in my pipe and smoking it to see if there are any psychedelic side effects. 😉

  7. Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:54 am

    Larry Krueger‏Verified account @sportslarryknbr 3m3 minutes ago
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    @FlemmingDave told us yesterday that the lack of offense is their primary issue over the pen

    • snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:57 am

      You can’t go to the playoffs with an offense this feeble, unless the pitching is like 2010. It isn’t…

  8. snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:56 am

    They dug themselves a huge hole. The numbers say this team has a snowball’s chance — at the 2nd WC spot. To even get to that, they need to upgrade the OF/bench, and the Pen has to be more consistent. Glad to hear Bochy threw something. Maybe he can come in to take the 8th inning…

  9. zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 8:31 am

    It irks me that Tomlinson hasn’t been on the big-league roster all season. The goal should be to always have the best 25-man roster possible, and the Giants haven’t been really committed to that this season, from the owners on down.

    • snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 8:58 am

      Totally agree. I heard something the other day on KNBR that Tomlinson had something like 300 Mlb at bats, and was at .294. The guy can play several positions. He’s a ball player. Why he isn’t up is baffling. It’s not even close between him and Gork, IMO…

    • chipower9 said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:59 am

      Tomlinson was up this year. But I think it sucked that he was sent down. He had like 25 ABs this year for the big club before being put back on a slow train to Sac.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 25, 2017 at 8:58 am

    Hill and Gillaspie will have to displace someone and they’ve been laying the ground work for Arroyo to be sent down. Any news on Preacher Gimpy?

    • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:01 am

      The word is another week, but I’m skeptical about that.

  11. zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 8:59 am

    On the national level, the Giants exist as kind of an after-thought in the NL West division at the moment; but this 3-team race between the Rockies, Dodgers, and D-Backs is shaping up to be real interesting.
    The MLB Network was floating the rumor this morning that the Dodgers have an interest in Verlander; which would depend on how Detroit is doing at the trade deadline.

    • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:06 am

      They can have Verlander. He might help this year but that dude is getting farther and farther away from the best years of his baseball card. Starting next year he’ll still have 88 mil coming to him and he’s just like Pence in terms of drawing a direct correlation to him scoring a hot chick and a decrease in production.

    • chipower9 said, on May 25, 2017 at 11:08 am

      Yep…they can have Verlander…the guy I want off that club is JD Martinez. I know he was on the DL for a bit this year (not sure what for), but the dude is lighting it up this year:

      .364, .533, .909, 1.442, 6 HR, 12 RBI in 11 games and 33 AB.

  12. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:07 am

    CF Denard Span (L)
    2B Joe Panik (L)
    1B Brandon Belt (L)
    C Buster Posey (R)
    SS B. Crawford (L)
    3B Eduardo Nunez (R)
    RF Justin Ruggiano (R)
    LF Mac Williamson (R)
    P Jeff Samardzija (R)

    Being a two star athlete, Samardzija should be used to playing in the cold weather.

    • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:45 am

      Baseball and?

      • chipower9 said, on May 25, 2017 at 11:17 am

        He was a WR for Notre Dame in college…

  13. snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:11 am

    Last nights ending game strike 3 call should be reviewable. A manager should have 2 protests a game of a ball or strike call that he feels has a real impact in the game. You have the umps in NY go to the computer vid of the strike zone to confirm or reject the call. If Panik swings at that high outside pitch, he swings through it or maybe pops out. Totally bogus…

  14. Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:16 am

    Andrew Baggarly‏Verified account @extrabaggs 5m5 minutes ago
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    Lineup change. Nuñez out, Arroyo hitting 8th.

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:36 am

    You know it’s bad when Williamson is hitting in front of you. The only thing worse would be hitting behind Parker. Nuñez with a leg issue?

    • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:37 am

      LOL for the commitment to the Parker-bashing.

  16. zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:37 am

    I wouldn’t see any point in sending Arroyo down. He’s got nothing to prove at AAA. He needs to experience a lot of major league pitching. The kid is confident in his abilities. Let him have this season to figure a lot of things out. The Giants are not likely going places this season anyway.

    • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:03 am

      i totally agree. Figure it out up here. I don’t get it when people start talking about confidence and self esteem eroding and all that. Shit, if I was slumping at the big leagues and they sent me down and I started raking AAA pitching that wouldn’t improve my confidence. If anything, it would make me feel worse, like I could do it at the lower level but not the big league level……

      • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:57 am

        Worked big time for Conforto – but I guess it’s a case by case thing…

  17. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:09 am

    I don’t know, zum. Arroyo was really broken down by Hendricks and Lester but it’s not like the club was lighting them up so maybe that isn’t something to get too alarmed about. He’s got 30 Ks to 8 BB over 100+ abs so he’s staying aggressive I guess.

  18. unca_chuck said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:31 am

    If they send Arroyo down, they really prove that to be a prospect you stand little chance of making it unless the team falls apart completely around your position. Panik was grudgingly brought up after the Uggla disaster and he stepped right in. Sure Arroyo’s young, but he’s shown enough to stay. They should be putting all the 3rd basemen in the OF to get them reps. If Adam Duvall teaches them anything, it’s that they should be a little more flexible with where they play these guys.

    • Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:22 pm

      At some point, with his average plummeting, you have to consider his confidence. Yeah, he has shown something, but he’s now at .195. He’s not a machine, it has to be eating at him, undermining his confidence. If you’re the G’s, when do you decide it’s better for his long-term success to send him to Sac?

  19. alleykat69 said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:44 am

    It’s just ridiculous that Specs isn’t on this roster over Dorky.Specs has baseball instincts you can’t teach that idiot. Point in hand,last night in the 9th when he pinch ran at the ball bounced away from the catcher and he froze. Specs easily reads that play and is standing on 2nd!!

  20. chipower9 said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Have not read through today’s comments, but circling back to last night…those are the types of fucking games that drives me to wanting robots calling balls and strikes. That ump SUCKED ASS! He was so fucking inconsistent (and with both teams). The only thing he was consistent on was being inconsistent on calling balls/strikes.

    Get a win/split and come home with a winning roadie.

  21. Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 11:11 am

    someone on KNBR this morning said Willie McCovey got sent down in the middle of his SECOND season. Matt Williams, too. So I am not saying it couldn’t benefit him. Just considering that it might make things worse.

    • Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:26 pm

      They wouldn’t be sending him down as punishment. They’d sit him down and tell him he just needs to go down and work on some things, get his stroke back, then he’d be back up with the big club. I hope he gets hot and starts figuring it out, but he’s been facing some tough pitching. It’d surprise me if he’s starting to doubt himself. With the guys coming back, the Giants are going to have to make some move.

      • Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:28 pm

        If he’s not starting to doubt himself.

  22. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 11:25 am

    Hey Willedav, Panik moved over a runner from 2nd to 3rd!

    • willedav said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Ha yeah saw that following along msn site, runner advanced.
      Hope he’s better hitter than .247 and like some others can pick it up on homestand.

  23. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 11:39 am

    Doubtful it would’ve been overturned, but that HR should’ve been reviewed anyway.

  24. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    The dearth of homegrown OF talent in the Giant’s system is mind-boggling. They just don’t draft highly-rated outfielders. Ever. Mac fucking Williamson is a joke. You need a single there, dude, to plate 2 runs in a game you need to win to have a winning roadie. That’s it, a fucking scratch single, a seeing-eye grounder, a Texas Leaguer.

    Who here was confident he’d deliver? No me. He still looks overmatched against a career minor league pitcher.

    • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:25 pm

      If you are an outfielder and you get drafted by the Giants, you must be so bummed. Career over before it even starts.

  25. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    So why is Chris Bosio covering his mouth. To protect against the lip reader the Giants have in their dugout? “Alright kid, throw strikes.” Top secret stuff!

  26. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    WTF Span.

  27. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    DeFuckingIdiot.

  28. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    I wonder what Bochy broke over that?

  29. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    Eddie Butler is the great, great, great grandson of the late Cy Young. He’s a lot like his great, great, great granddad, but with a better move to first.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:55 pm

      Man those Young dudes must of been studs in heat.Isnt Steve Young part of Brigham Young’s sire???

  30. Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    i’m not watching the game so sorry if announcers have already hit this, but Smarge has 41 K’s this month and zero walks. That is incredible.

  31. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    I’m listening to the Cub’s broadcasters and they haven’t said anything. That is amazing. He has 5 more today and no walks. I don’t know if the 41 includes those.

    • Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:09 pm

      He just walked his first guy since 4/28.

  32. unca_chuck said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    Christ.Send the kid down. Bring up the Hwanger. We need something other than this dreck. We seem to have one week of good hitting and 3 weeks of shit.

    Lead-off runner instantly erased. Amazing consistency.

  33. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    This offense sucks. I have to question the competence of a front office that runs these jokers out there and expects anything less than disaster.

  34. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    Span 6-4-3. Just leave this POS in Chicago.

  35. unca_chuck said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    Bochy may not survive this roadie.

  36. Lurker John said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    Fucking Keystone Kops.

  37. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    Be thankful all you who are at work today.

    • unca_chuck said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:48 pm

      Looks like I picked the wrong day to work from home. And Turn on the TV. And quit sniffing glue.

  38. unca_chuck said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    Wow. Finding new and exciting ways to blow games.

  39. Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:53 pm

    . . . and tottering.

  40. Bozo said, on May 25, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    “You load sixteen tons, what do you get / Another day older and deeper in debt…”

  41. Scott R Rule said, on May 25, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    How much longer before the Giants realize the Bochy has lost it. Worst record 2nd half last year and just about worst record so far!!! Need a new Manager!!!

    • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 5:30 pm

      I’m not going to disagree that the Giants might need new leadership but what is he doing that is particularly irritating you? Do you think another manager would do better with this shit collection of hitters?

      • snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:18 pm

        Maybe not better result but he’d try harder and something different and more aggressive/creative. 2018 is the time for field management turnover…

  42. theroooster said, on May 25, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    Butler 4-0 in his career against the Giants. He’s 4-16 with a 6.72 ERA against all other teams.

    • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 5:37 pm

      Did you use your calculator to figure that out?

  43. Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:02 pm

      Enough carbs to put you in a diabetic coma…

  44. djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Arroyo down to .191 after going 0-16 in Ron Santo Land.
    I really do think he’ll eventually be a solid ML player, but he’s gotta do down now…

    • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      Williamson and Gorkys are both batting .160. They get to stay?

      • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:15 pm

        can’t send down half the team…..

      • snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:09 pm

        Gorkys is an embarrassment. Seriously. How long can that go on? That’s so bad, I’d take Blanco back as a substitute, and that’s hard for me to say…

  45. djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    Sonny Randle died (for you very old football fans). The first football I ever owned had his simulated autograph on it and fake molded plastic laces. It was pointy, hard as a rock and hurt like hell no matter where or how you caught it.
    In cold weather, the thing was like a deadly weapon…

    • willedav said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:20 pm

      I remember that guy with Charley Johnson Cards. I had a football card game he was fast wideout for them with Bobby Joe Conrad. Spent some time with Niners too.

  46. snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Looks like I was fortunate not to see/hear this game today.
    At 20-29, this team is at a lousy .408 clip, even after the recent uptick — .500 over the last 10 tilts. Add in last season after the AS break, and it’s something like 30 games under .500 since then. That’s a baaaad trend, Flappers.
    So, we know this team as constituted is going nowhere. Management should use the remaining games to try out players for next year. No need to keep plugging in dudes like Gorkys that will be playing in Japan next year, or next month. Make use of the opportunity to see what you’ve got that’s near MLB ready, or maybe not so near, but might blossom regardless. They have to trade Cueto and get prospects. I think that is very doable to the right teams. Before his velocity goes down more, and he becomes a blister waiting to happen. Put him on DL for blister proofing and get some rest, then showcase him afterwards before the break to max his trade value…

    • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:49 pm

      I just don’t get how anyone thinks Cueto is tradable. The only way I see is to take back a contract almost as bad in return. Send him to Boston for Panda and a good prospect – everybody wins…

      • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:59 pm

        he’s not trade-able with herpes all over his hand. He’s gotta get that straightened out first.

      • The Anti-Circus said, on May 27, 2017 at 10:18 am

        Cueto has an opt-out clause after this season, major reason why he could be traded. He can essentially be a free agent and sign a fresh contract after this year, unless he chooses to stay with the Giants and lock in the final years of his deal.

  47. snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    I also agree with sentiment above, and reiterate, this needs to be Bochy’s last season, regardless of outcome. Too long on the captain’s deck, too much comfort with front office, too many red wine yuk it ups post game. Maybe he’s doing it, but I doubt Bochy is yelling at Sabevans to do something radical to upgrade the dreck outfield they’ve provided. Time for the other field management to go, too. I’d keep Decker, maybe Rags. Break up the comfort zone for this team. I think a more active, energetic management crew could get a few more wins out of this team. More important, the new management crew needs to start fresh next season. Blach, Beede, Arroyo, Shaw, Ryder Jones, Slater or whomever, the team needs new blood and energetic management. Get this pathetic ship dry-docked, stripped down, rehabbed, and ready to set sail 2018 with a new captain on the bridge, and a lot of new crew members…

    • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:59 pm

      Suggestion for manager: El Presidente

      • Flavor said, on May 25, 2017 at 8:13 pm

        they will give it to Wotus, 100% guaranteed……

  48. snarkk said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    Somebody tell me why teams don’t bunt all over the place against Lester. The guy cannot throw to first. I’d bunt every damn guy in the lineup right at him to freak him out…

    • Macdog said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:35 pm

      Re your 7:09: Blanco 3-4 with a HR for D-Backs tonight.

      • djloo27 said, on May 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm

        Prototype of a “good Giant”…

      • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 8:30 pm

        Blanco just did that to rub it in. 🙂

  49. zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    Cardinals look ragged against the Dodgers tonight. They’re just not all that good of a team. I can’t see them making the playoffs unless several teams collapse.

    • theroooster said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:23 pm

      Collapse? It’s still May, lmao. Redbirds 23-20, stilll a loooong way to go. Playoffs??!! Are you kidding me??!! Playoffs??!!

      • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:38 pm

        Well, we’ll see how the Cards do against the Rockies this weekend. Should be interesting.

      • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:41 pm

        The Cards have good starting pitching, but everything else about their team is meh, at best.

      • zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:46 pm

        The Cardinals were not a playoff team last year, and I don’t see that changing this season.

  50. theroooster said, on May 25, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    Rockies not going away, they can mash.

  51. zumiee said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    It just seems to me like the 5 playoff teams in the NL are already clear-cut. All the other teams are too flawed, unless they make some major transactions, or a devastating injury happens to a key player, like Goldy for the D-Backs.

    • theroooster said, on May 25, 2017 at 10:08 pm

      It’s just so damned early, Zoom. A lot can change over the course of the next few months, you know this.


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