Adding a Hitter
The one thing the Giants can’t do is go into next season with the same outfield plan. That means they absolutely have to sign a FA outfielder to pair with Span in LF and Pence in RF. Who do you think they should sign? We’ve heard about the underwhelming Carlos Gomez. A more exciting name is Lorenzo Cain. Is there something in between?
Retro Post Anniversary of the Day (RPAD):
https://oneflapdown77.com/2010/11/07/unwinding-from-an-amazing-season/
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thx for posting that Flav, what a fun read, Stix and all. Man, 2011 was such a disaster, with different cast for 2012. I remember sitting around Flap meet at first/main watching Whitey or Stewart behind the plate.
Meanwhile, Sabes talking a good game, see what actually happens. There is some foreboding when he mentions Cueto and his $21 mil…”That’s a big number to fold in.”
The next day’s post after that retro post was pure prophecy from BF:
“The one thing I’m a little worried about is that Sabean will feel so much vindication for winning the WS with “track record” guys that he just tries to re-sign all his FA players. Bad idea. We caught lightening in the bottle with the 2010 group. Trotting them all out there again, with another year of age on those legs, doesn’t seem like a recipe for repeat……”
The re-signing of Huff and Ross proved disastrous.
In that same post BF expresses concern about shortstop; at the time we didn’t know the Giants would sign Tejada, which also proved disastrous.
Fortunately Crawford did prove to be a quality big-leaguer eventually. And Belt and Pence being added to the roster also helped win the next 2 championships.
And now those guys are showing the effects of age. The sports-world moves quickly. In a sense, all athletes are sort of lightning in a bottle.
The collapse of our farm system was not anticipated by we the fans.
For a few brief months, Ross and then later Scutaro were hitting-machines for the Giants’ march to championships. It doesn’t get more lightning in a bottle than that.
Then both guys were re-signed and turned to dust immediately. I guess we’ll just marvel at that for long into the future.
Dont forget Freddie Sanchez…
I read quotes from Sabes’s conference call on mlb.com and walked away at first annoyed and then became mildly disgusted. Chris Haft’s piece talks of revising the offseason plan, blah blah blah. Whatthefuckingfuck. Revising. The front office just woke up from a Rip Van Winkle nap? ” . . . the next two days are critical…” Gawdalmighty. THE NEXT TWO DAYS? They should’ve had a plan on August 1, arguably May 1, and have had pens ready for their coveted free agents to sign. Sheesh.
A Mets fan friend (his house for Gillaspie’s bomb last year) says Cain is on the downside, sees him as another Span. Besides, since he got a QO, we’d have to lose draft picks.
Bottom line is when you have merde in the minor leagues to replenish your outfield, you are in a tough spot…
Option 1 is Cain
Option 2 is Gomez
Option 3 is You’re Fired
Seriously, taking a flyer on Cain and seeing if the holdovers can bounce back enough to remain within striking distance of the Wild Card hunt is the best option this team has given all the circumstances. Could it not work out? Absolutely. But, I see no other good options outside of Gomez as a not-so-great Plan B.
Fun fact: the Dodgers still owe Kemp a few million dollars next season.
Fun fact. LOL
I can’t stand Carlos Gomez. Saw enough of him in his year long stint in Houston to say no thanks. Some may say “cancer” is a harsh word, but if the shoe fits…
I seriously hope changes that work are made. Evans is on thin ice with me anyway, but if they can’t recognize that more offense is needed, I don’t know what to think. Cain is a good player, but he doesn’t exactly light my pants on fire. He’d probably be an improvement, but how much of one? Span, Hunter and Gorkys need to go. Which means they won’t.
There are teams with surplus OF prospects like HOU STL Yanks. I think L Cain is a good fit for CF because he’s used to playing in big yard and could make proper adjustments to it. Giants just need more hitters, not just bombers.
Here’s what Powell said, “You’ve also got to understand the ballpark. You’re not just going to turn around and have everybody hit HRs. The biggest thing you have to find is hits. You have to find walks. You have to find ways to get on base and keep the chain moving to next guy.”
Don’t forget, after all the bombs, the run that beat Jansen in game 5 was a single, after HB and a walk.
Cain would be a great defensive fit, I’m just dubious about his continuing abilities as a productive hitter.
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those old threads are a hoot— some on point comments, some way off base comments. From all of us.
guys we haven’t heard from in a while too, like Ted, Ewisco and of course Twin.
Like to know what others opinion is of Arroyo. What would his ceiling be, how and how far away is that?
I didn’t see much of him. His glove work everywhere impressed me, obviously overmatched at the plate. Lit up the Coast League, tho not much pop 7 doubles 4 HRs 91 ABs, in season cut short by injury.
Thoughts?
I think he will be a starting every day 3b by 2019…hopefully for the Marlins and we have a new left fielder…
I think he needs to be given a full shot at taking the every day job at third. He looked pretty good at times before he got hurt. He has a nice swing and he was solid defensively. Give him a chance I say.
Hard to say, Willie. He looked good at times, showed a little XB power, but went into a big slump. Then he got hurt. He’s young. Don’t know about healthy tho. He’s got plate issues.
I’d like to think he’ll go the Matt Williams route and find his power as he learns the art of hitting.
At this point he’s fighting Panda for 3rd base.
Ugh. Please tell me Panda isn’t going to be our third baseman next year.
Awful news: Roy Halladay dies in plane crash.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ex-mlb-player-roy-halladay-dies-in-plane-crash-in-gulf-of-mexico/
WTF. That sucks.
Sad:(
Real tragic news about Roy Halliday!
A great pitcher and a better human being.
Condolences to your family, RIP Roy..
That’s one reason I avoid small planes like the plague, even though I’ve jumped out of a couple of them. Just too much can go wrong. RIP.
Terrible news. I guess he would have been eligible for the HOF in a year or two?
The plane looks so flimsy in that news report that Mac posted. It almost looks like a glider.
Very very sad news.
Phil Rogers @philgrogers
@Giants have interest in @Cubs’ Jason Heyward, w/Jeff Samardzija and Mark Melancon to offer. Very complicated deal but not impossible.
11:35 AM – Nov 7, 2017
Trying to trade disappointments.
I saw that one, too. Heyward? No thanks.
Yeah, that deal would make no sense. He hits at about a Gorkys level.
Where do I sign?
if the Giants trade for Jason Heyward I am taking next year off. That would convince me that they have literally lost their ability to build a successful baseball team
Jesus. Just saw the news about Halladay.
Damn. Small planes are scary enough. That thing is like a kit plane. He apparently just got the thing 3 weeks ago. It comes with a parachute. For the whole plane. The company head test pilot and lead engineer were killed in one of those at lake Berryessa, but pilot error was cited.
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As for Heyward we don’t need Denard Span II, Electric Boogaloo . . .
That trade would Stink!
Heyward is so overrated it’s a joke.
.260 career hitter power numbers laughable, 7 HR’s 2016 11 HR’s last year doesn’t drive in runs doesn’t even steal anymore. The only thing he has going for him is his defense..Pass
And who’s gonna make up the guaranteed 200 innings plus that the Shark eats up every year?
Steal for Theo Epstein if he schools Dumbshit Booby on this one.. Fire Booby Now!!
Jesus. Weaken the rotation and the pen and get nothing for it.
I’d rather have Parker carry Mac (under) the Knife around in LF than have Heyworth out there.
Do we have any trade pieces that could land Christian Yelich? Far better upgrade then Heyward! Fuck let “Trader Kat” make some trades over Booby!!! Flappers could do a better job over this numbskull!!
highly doubt Miami let’s Yelich go. He only makes 7 mil a year. They need to unload that albatross contract Stanton’s got.
You get the feeling the Dodgers could take Arroyo from the Giants, and within a few months they would have him batting with an HR-launch angle and hitting 20+ HRs.
Probably right Zumie..
Phil Rogers@philgrogers
One additional motivation to deal Heyward: Would improve @Cubs position in recruiting Shohei Ohtani. He and Heyward both hit left-handed.
Yeah and of course why would the Giants ever be interested in a 2 way star who throws 100 mph and then you can have him in your LU hitting bombs when he doesn’t pitch.
Sometimes you make a deal just to clear out the stench.
If the money balances out, I’d absolutely consider it…
Smarge isn’t stench, he’s our 3rd best SP. Possibly our 2nd best. And Heyward looks like he could absolutely give zero shits about winning or losing. Plus, he’d fucking hate hitting here and completely tank to get out. He’d be the worst pick up in the history of the franchise.
What about the guy whose forearm looks like it just delivered quintuplets?
It got better. TFLR is sofa change compared to Heyweird.
If he can recover and help, fine. If not, we go *Skinny Reuschel*….. But we have far greater problems than who’s going to close out a game. That shit is for good teams to worry about. We’ve got a lot of work to do before the 9th inning becomes relevant again…..
Melancon with his quintuplets forearm would probably bounce back and save 40 games with a LU that can hit.Were old,slow,&honky not a great combo..
that *quintuplets* post was gold btw
There is a lot of stench to clear out with the Giants that’s for sure Loo,but Heyward just adds to the bad reek imo.He’s on the downside of a very mediocre career now.
He had a couple decent years with his original team (Braves) but the Cards&Cubs not so.The one thing the Giants did right was draft Bumgarner over him in the draft.
halfway thru first Q, Porzingis going off again…..
prediction: 280 characters is going to ruin twitter. I’m already tired of stupid shit clogging up my timeline, all I want is news I’m interested in. Having to slog through double the amount of stupid shit people write is going to end it for me
Brandon Crawford winning another GG does nothing for me. Celebrating shit like that is what loser fan bases do…..
Heyward is LH hitter. Don’t need any more LH hitters…
Very sad news about Halladay.
That fully loaded little plane Icon A5 costs $389K.
Supposedly full plane parachute for safety?
Wonder how much training in it he actually had.
Made in Vacaville…
I’m all in on Crawford winning another Gold Glove. I think it’s really cool.
I’m peeved Posey didn’t win another one for catcher. He lost to Tucker Barnhart. Who?
I’m with you Zumie on Posey getting screwed!
Tucker Barnhart??? East coast bias shit again,just a disgraceful injustice to Buster..
I have no memory of the guy. The Reds are far off my radar these days.
lulz!
Yasiel Puig @YasielPuig
No matter what they do or how much they try to keep me from it. I will win a Gold Glove next year, I’m coming back for what I deserve.
7:49 PM – Nov 7, 2017 · Los Angeles, CA
great stuff here
I had to look up Tucker Barnhart, had no clue what team he was on…
Same for me.
Hosmer of KC now has 4 goldies.
Is he really that much better with the leather than Belt?…
No. Belt is as good as anyone in MLB at 1b. Belt just doesn’t get enough media attention for that. His injuries hurt his cause.
Pav offered likely explanations for the GG snubs:
Buster Posey did not repeat as a Gold Glove winner. Only caught 99 games this year, which made it pretty hard to win.
Brandon Belt easily led the SABR index for first baseman despite missing final two months. Concussion likely cost him his first Gold Glove.
Tonight on a Dodger blog:
ElysianPork
3 hours ago
We got a pennant, motherfucker!
Dong88
3 hours ago
Put it in the trash where it belongs
O-ver-rat-ed: The Thunder’s Big 3 shot a combined 15-for-54 in their loss to the previously 1-win Kings.
The Kings beat OKC! Groovy!
One guy who deserves his 5 straight GG to start his career is Nolan Arenado, that dude love him are hate him can pick it like no other.
Still needs another 11 to ketch up with one of my idols growing up Brooks Robinson “The Human Vacuum Cleaner” who some would argue as one of the best defensive player of all time.
I was very impressed with Bregman in the playoffs, but Longoria won the GG in the AL.