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‘Cutch Scored!!!!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 12, 2018
………….hey that’s something you didn’t hear anyone say too often around here last season…
sandog said, on December 11, 2018 at 9:47 pm (Edit)

We could have offered Cutch the QO. We should have done that. Most on here grossly underestimated his value on the open market.

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Raising hand here, representing the group that “grossly underestimated his value on the open market.” To catch up from the end of the last thread, had we kept Cutch and not traded him we could have offered him the QO which, I think, was 18 million. I scoffed big time at that idea suggesting 1 year/8 mil was probably all he could hope to get on the open market.

‘Cutch should be dancing in the streets right now making it rain on himself because he would not have gotten 3 years/53 mil if the Phillies would also have had to surrender a draft pick. And while what he got beat the projected deal of 3 years/40 million (mlbtraderumors) even the projected deal was far greater than my 1 year/8 mil guess….

Hey, stop worrying guys, we got…..quickly pausing to check spelling on these dudes names…..Juan De Paula and…..checking again….Abiatal…..checking a third time…..Avelino for him!

In the end we’ll never know if we would have been stuck with ‘Cutch had we given him the QO. Probably not. But by not offering it to him he got the deal of a lifetime, I don’t think there’s any question he got more than many thought he would get. And many millions more than I guessed…..

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  1. Bozo said, on December 12, 2018 at 6:46 am

    Yeah, I’m not sure how big the market for McCutchen would have been with a draft pick attached to him. Although the years and dollars seem high, I think it was a good deal for both the Phillies and Cutch. He has hit at least 20 HRs for 8 straight years in a row and hitting in Citizen Park should help keep that streak going. Playing LF there will be a lot less ground to cover than what he had in RF at AT&T. And like Willie said yesterday, the Phillies had guys playing out of position so this is an immediate upgrade for them.
    A plus for McCutchen is he’ll be closer to home, so good for him.

  2. Bozo said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:07 am

    A couple of AM clown thoughts…

    I don’t think he’s played anywhere but third, but I wonder if Longo could play LF?

    Tulo for $600,000 makes a lot of sense to me as a utility INFer. He says he wants to play on the West Coast and he’s willing to play other positions.

    Red Sox are looking for relief and are willing to listen to offers about Jackie Bradley Jr, would Will Smith and Sam Dyson do it? I think he would be a doubles machine in SF.

    • gianthead said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:30 am

      Didnt the two sides discuss Jackie Bradley last year??? I think we were trying to dump salary on them and I was all for it. Don’t think we have the prospects they could get elsewhere for him. If it are between him and Jose Martinez, I’d rather have Martinez. I question if Bradley could hit at ATT…

  3. gianthead said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:39 am

    Dawg, I really dont think we underestimated the market for McCutch. The Phillies clearly over-estimated the market. He likely would have not been offered much by anyone else. Just a questionable way over paid signing by the Phillies, not a true reflection if his worth.

    • sandog said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:39 am

      You can’t do that G-Head! He went into the open market and got 3/50, so that is his market value.
      Willie and I were the only ones who saw this coming. We should have kept him. It would have made that awful September a little more palatable. Then we should have given him the QO—which WE had the right to do. If he signed—FINE—he can hit and we have the worst set of outfielders in the history of MLB. Would have been a pricey one year rental. No big deal. He turns us down, we get a nice pick with surely more upside than the castoffs we got from the Yanks.

  4. willedav said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:56 am

    I don’t begrudge a guy like Cutch for taking whatever is best offer out there. Owners every season control bigger slice of the revenue pie and last season executed an effective salary cap with all the big teams and their lux tax nonsense. Many teams not control the TV money coming in.
    The WS Champion Red Sox are still paying Pablo and they also coughed up $20 mil for Hanley Ramirez. Did it bother them? They bad a bad deal, let em walk wrote the checks and moved on to get better players.
    The Giants are owned by a billionaire. Remaining $$ on anyone they don’t feel can contribute would be drop in the bucket.

  5. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2018 at 8:01 am

    Also from the end of the last thread, discussions about Wrongo. Loo called it among the worst assumed contracts ever. Yeah, it needs to be eliminated. The money is gone, dump this guy if they can’t trade him for something, and pay a little more money bringing in someone younger, cheaper, more athletic, more upside. That’s how you start rebuilding. And yet, I also agree about Tulo, why not, at that price…

  6. pawliekokonuts said, on December 12, 2018 at 8:15 am

    I’m with Loo: maybe (maybe not) the Yankees coulda offered him the QO but not the Jints.

    • Bozo said, on December 12, 2018 at 8:27 am

      Pawlie, I think they meant the Giants could have offered the QO if they hadn’t traded him to the Yanks, and the draft pick may have been better than what we received in the trade.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 12, 2018 at 11:38 am

        i see, thanks

  7. willedav said, on December 12, 2018 at 8:18 am

    “Cutch scored…” um more runs than any other Giant last year despite playing the last month with Yanks.
    And also unlike Posey Belt Craw Panik Longo Duggar Slater Mac Pablo R jones and a number of pitchers, stayed on the field and in the LU. It wasn’t a bad idea to sign him, Pirates and Yanks both helped SF with the $$$ and he hit better than anyone else even if he didn’t approach 2017 numbers.
    Good luck to him this year and beyond.

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:47 am

      he scored 65 runs in the NL last season—good for 55th in the league. Scoring the most for SF is not an example of a guy scoring a lot of runs…..

  8. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:46 am

    Tulowitzki has always stuck me as a colossal douche but his down year last year (.678 ops) was in line with Panik’s career .733 ops. Plus he’s a right handed hitter and had more bombs last year 7 to 4. Even at 32 he’s a reasonable bounce back year risk for a a club that’s treading water. If he wants to come to SF on the cheap after being released I’d trade Panik’s sloth-like ass without a blink and plug Tulowitzki in at 2b.

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:47 am

      yeah. I guess as a RH hitter it would be nice to hope for some pop but I don’t know where he’d play and he is literally always getting hurt.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:58 am

        True but Panik hasn’t been the healthiest either. Between Tulowitzki and…(checks notes)… Avelino and Hansen, the club can probably get the same production at 2b.

  9. snarkk said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:54 am

    I’m glad McCutcheon is gone. Guy did not want to be in SF and it showed. His defense was subpar. Good luck with Philly fans and that deal. Could get ugly. As for Tulo, even on the cheap the guy is a walking DL. Plus, he’s always hated SF. Forget that noise…

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 12, 2018 at 10:04 am

    Yeah, snarrk McCutcheon’s defense was way worse than I expected.

  11. unca_chuck said, on December 12, 2018 at 10:07 am

    Cutch is old and a defensive liability. Happy he got his coin and he’ll do alright in Philly. But as much as Philly paid, I doubt they’d have given up a pick in the draft.

    Tulo is old and creaky as well. We need to get younger not older. Although if we lose Panik, I’d think about it. He can play until he gets hurt and Randy Hansen comes in,

    • djloo27 said, on December 12, 2018 at 2:22 pm

      Yeah, glad he won’t have to struggle off the lousy $ 65 million he’s made up to now…

  12. alleykat69 said, on December 12, 2018 at 10:10 am

    Tulo still gets 38 mil from the bluejays who let him walk.We could get him for Pablo money right now maybe a touch more 1 mil I believe.
    No major risk with that, throw him at SS&3B occasionally and some power off the bench, before he gets hurt.

  13. zumiee said, on December 12, 2018 at 11:24 am

    Solid second season from Loudermilk. I don’t personally know anyone else who watches this show, but I think it’s had a really good second season. It’s sort of like a male version of the show Mom, another really good comedy with a lot of heart.
    They are both shows centered around alcoholic group meetings. In addition to being really well-written, well-acted comedies, the shows are probably helping a lot of people with their own issues.

  14. snarkk said, on December 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm

    Is there a 12 step program for an addiction to a baseball team that suxxxx ?…

    • alleykat69 said, on December 12, 2018 at 1:16 pm

      LOL 🤣🤣

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 12, 2018 at 2:42 pm

      There are probably some standing meetings in Oakland.

  15. alleykat69 said, on December 12, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    Off topic…Some fiery quote from PGA golfer Kevin Kinsner about fellow golfer Patrick Reed.
    “He was hated by all his fellow golfers in college at Georgia and by fellow golfers especially at Augusta and the Ryder Cup,”
    He goes on to say :” His college teammates wouldn’t piss on him even if he was on fire 🔥”
    Wow that’s brutally honest to tell ya the truth, Reed’s always been a scumbag with no friends which I assume he likes it that way, to each his own douchebag..

    • Flavor said, on December 12, 2018 at 5:12 pm

      that fucking guy was stealing $$$ from his teammates in college, of course they hated him

  16. gianthead said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    Didnt all the “professional” baseball pontificators all say there would be a lot of wheeling and dealing these winter meetings???? Where is the wheeling??? Where is the dealing???

  17. djloo27 said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    Seems to me the Giants don’t have any bright ideas…

  18. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    MLB site talks about a lot of names and a lot of teams and at the same time very little being done at the meetings. Looks like they think that if one thing happens, then a whole series of things will begin to fall into place as well. Nary a mention of SF in that article except rehashing Bum trade scenarios. For the Giants, this could be a long, slow patience-testing off-season. And that’s fine if that’s how Z works it… Still, even just a little something happening would be nice.

    • djloo27 said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:15 pm

      • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 12, 2018 at 7:39 pm

        After my Father died a few years ago, I went through his stuff and found an old domino set. Ivory pieces (white with black engraved dots), something he picked up when he was in Japan during WW2. It’s very cool. Just the sound the tiles make when you slap them on the table. I don’t want to think that any endangered animals were killed for the ivory (maybe they weren’t endangered that long ago but hate to think a domino set contributed). I don’t play dominoes much but I do like this set…..

  19. zumiee said, on December 12, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    Kings looking good vs. the T-Wolves.

  20. mrsprtdude said, on December 12, 2018 at 11:07 pm

    Another ass kicking at the hands of a good team. And Dubs have their players back. Hopefully they can turn it on in the playoffs, but maybe we are seeing the start of the end already? Look at every dynasty, and 4 straight seasons as the best team in the league always runs it course. Every team that has done what Dubs have done thinks it will keep going, until it doesn’t..

  21. zumiee said, on December 13, 2018 at 12:42 am

    Posey’s surgery revealed that he had a slightly fractured hip.

    • Flavor said, on December 13, 2018 at 5:52 am

      it shouldn’t have taken digging around in there to know there was something majorly wrong with him. Glad he got it fixed.


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